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Sports guarnation. What is up, everybody? Welcome to Episode three point thirty of Sports Coordination, Part two of our great conversation with my good friend Tony Demarzio. We're gonna really get into the the nuts and boats of stuff and h uh, quiet guy, But you know he's got his opinions, as we all do and as we rightfully should. So I'm gonna chop it up again today with Tony.

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You know you mentioned grading and like you said, you graded your first card in two thousand and four, or you know, I remember I had my store. I had a store from ninety two to ninety seven, and I remember when that was really when I first took notice at grading. One of my customers came in. I remember what card it was.

Tony was a ninety two Bowman. Marianna rivera rookie. He was a Yankee fan. You know, everyone that knows the card, it's Mariano in a polo shirt and Khaki's kind of a cool concept that we didn't.

That was something new as well with the Bowman, a lot of rookie centric product. And he had a graded by Beck at Grading Service and he brought it in. He's like John, I got my rivera rookie graded, and you know, he handed it to me and I was anti grading to you know, I've told the story on my podcast before, but I was kind of like, oh, that's a money grab. You know.

His name was Rob. I'm like, Rob, you could have just brought it in here. I would have told you, like what condition it was in. You know, you just you know, threw away twenty bucks or whatever it caused.

And then it's in the slam. Now it's you can't you know, you can't hold a card in the sense the same way as you once did. And I you know, obviously I've done the one eighty now and being a bolsover for sec but even that happened way before the boat, you know. And you know, we see a lot of with fakes and forgeries and trimming and altering and obviously a grading, whether you like it or not or whether you do it or not, I think everyone can say, you know, there is a purpose served if even if you take the numerical grade out of it, just the fact that someone is authenticating it and saying, yeah, this is you know, real, untrimmed, not altered type of deal.

And you know, without even talking about number grade, So obviously I grade. I sent my own cards for grading. I do the bulks of me as I said, So I've changed. And that's the beauty the hobby, right is we can have one opinion and then change your minds at some point for whatever reason.

We don't even know an explanation. I like to give one one one when possible. But you know, gradings still have to the people who don't like it. They have plenty of ammunition in their guns to say why they don't like it.

Sometimes when they miss something or you see something grated a ten in the slab into the naked eye, you see, you know, uh, an imperfection, a digging corner, and you're like, how they get to tend you know, they've graded stuff that turned out not to be authentic. So there's you know, there's there's you know, little pratfalls here there that that that's any industry, you know kind of your thought. As someone who's graded quite a bit like myself, you know, it doesn't determine from grading. But I whenever something like that happens, I always sort of cringe because I know the people who don't like Grady it's just another another notch on their about to say, hey, this is why we don't grade, and this is why grading is terrible, and that sort of thing.

But kind of your own experiences as as someone who buys graded cards, who submits graded cards, kind of where where we're at currently. Like you said, I think grating definitely serves a purpose in this hobby. Definitely helps if something should happen to you. It helps your loved ones sell the collection more for a set amount because you know, you can you use applications like car Ladder, BCP and you can look at a grade of a card.

Okay, this is a six or six point five. You know that can easily be looked up and cross reference against previous scales. So it does help in that aspect. It also helps with insurance purposes.

And any kind of valuation. And then if two friends are trading, or if you're selling something to a dealer or buying from a deal or trading, it just what's a value next to something. It's like a price guide, you know, it helps work like a price guide, I should say, but it is a frustrating experience for many and I understand why. It just seems that today the graders are a little bit strict, and I understand why.

I'm all for it, and I just think that now PSA and SGC is making up for being maybe a little bit loose five, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago when a few cards were over more than a few cars were overgraded, or maybe some trim cards slipped through. But I think we're paying the price for it now. For example, if you look at the recent issue of the PSA magazine, there's a there's a set that's profiled in there, I think it's called the Looking c set or where they have famous people in there, and there's a card in that magazine that was recently graded that's a PSA nine. Well, this car was graded recently, and a month before that car was graded, that same card was a PSA five.

I know the person who submitted to card it was a five, and the person knew it wasn't a five. They just cracked it, resent it and it came back in nine. So how do you go from a five to a nine? So what I'm observing myself is I think that a lot of pressure are all these grading companies, especially the ones that have these card guarantees, to try to get things right and maybe sometimes in order to get things right a little bit too much, they might have to sometimes overanalyze things and maybe they miss something or they think they see something and things happen, and you know, I don't. You know, everyone's human and people make errors.

But I think that the current SGC and PSA team, I like them so much better than the previous regime. And I think they're dealing with a lot of cleaning up messes from the previous you know, management of those companies. So I think they're doing their best. But you know, it's a frustrating experience because you know, I have a I have a thirty eight gaudy heads up the Maggio without the characters, you know, without the cartoons, and it's an SGC two and I love it.

And uh, due to the case I was using, it put a little bit pressure on the top of the slab and it started to crack. So I had a PSA sub that I needed to do. So I'm like, well, you know, instead is just sending it into SGC, let me send it in the p s A and uh, you know, see if it crosses over and I put a man creative two because it's an SGC two and I compared the aesthetics of the card condition to what p SA defines as a as a card that's in good condition, you know, it allows wrinkles, it allows around the corners, and PSA kicked it back to me they didn't even create it because it didn't you know, they were did a one point five or one. And I looked at and I look at the greater notes and it says around the corners.

Okay, p s A to around the corners. And they also put wrinkles, not creases, but the word wrinkles. And if you look up the definition of a PSA two or a good condition, they all creases, not wrinkles, but they allow creases. So just stuff like.

That, you know, it's just a little frustrating. But you know, I'm not picking on the graders because I met Nat last year at the National my son and I we finished first in a PSA set registry, the only one that we have, which was the line on Messy World Cup Base set five card set. We got invited to the PSA Award Cinner. PSA did a wonderful job with that.

My son and I met Dominique Wilkins. We got his autograph the food was good, and I also met other folks in the hobby, like Victor of the Rookie Card Fella and and I met other folks and folks who collected modern vintage and it was a great time. So they're definitely trying their best. They're trying to do what's good for the hobby.

But I just think that sometimes, you know, maybe take a step back and just see, you know, what you're trying to accomplish if it's a little too hard on the consumers. Yeah, and remember it's subjective, right, everyone's you know, my eyes are going to be different than your eyes, and the other guys are going to be different than than both of our. And you know, while they might have guidelines, you know how accurately a greater follows them. Again, again, subjective.

That shouldn't be a subjective. It's just the looking at the card itself, but sometimes I think it is. You know, someone might say a rinkle on the crease, A rinkle on the crease is the same thing where we'll say it's not like you may you may think it is, but you know, when it comes down to brass texts, they're actually two different things. And you know, I had.

I had a lot of debate, but someone asked me, you know, at my table at a show, like John, what's the difference between a wrinkle and crease? Like to me, I always thought they're the same thing. And you know, my explanation is a wrinkle is kind of on the front or surface or back, and it doesn't go all the way through to the other side. If it's creased, it's it's parallel on both sides, and you know, it's like your card got beat at that point, and you know it's it's it shows in the exact spot on on both sides. After explaining that, they're like, yeah, that makes sense.

So you know, people may just assume, like a wrinkle in the crease is the same thing. It might be if you're making your bed, but on cardboard. You know, it's it's not exactly it's not exactly the same. So you know, that's a great point by you with with with the definition of the two grade.

Right, But you were just telling me about the wrinkles. I don't think the greater is married because whoever greeted this this demaggio cards probably not married, because if that person asked their white was the difference between a wrinkle or a crease in her skin. I think they would know the difference. Yeah, yeah, so, so be careful in those single card graders.

You might you might just be knocked down a notch. But you know, it's subjective. Like you said, you've got the human element. Uh.

I think most people understand that. I don't want to spend a lot of time with this question, Tony, but you know, being we both have experience on the grading side, the question I get sometimes asked I asked other as well. We hear a lot about AI, and AI is already in grading. It's not new.

But you know there's people that want to see the card itself, not graded by a person, be graded by a computer system that's it by AI and not by human hands. I don't mind that if there's still a human that has to sign off on the grade. But I just don't want the computer to get my card spin out a great and to go in a box and be shipped back to me. I still, we know computers glitch, we know computers make mistakes, we know there can be viruses and overriding.

I don't even know half the stuff. I don't so much have a problem with the grade by the computer, but I also want that human kind of to sign off on it, almost like that Inspector twelve, like the computers give it a nine. I looked at it, and I concur with the nine. Or I looked at it and I think it's to night.

We're gonna run it through again and see what you know it says. Or if there's more than one AI system, we're gonna run it through a different one and see what that comes up with. But I don't want it just to be exclusively AI only. There's two reasons for that kind of what I just said is computers can make mistakes just like humans do, so if you want to use the combination to try to get the best accurate grade.

But you know, I'm a human being, right and we've seen people lose jobs due to innovative and technology. I get it. It's part of you know, the future and how we go. But you know, I don't want to see, you know, fifty graders walking out the front door on their last day of working, and there's that human aspect, you know, Hey, you know someone has to go home and tell their significant other, like, you know, today's was my last day at work.

You know the the you know, the AI fifty two hundred is where I used to stand and sit mid stuff. It's replacing me as an aide, sure, but I mean as a complete taking the human element out of it. I don't want to see that. Some will argue, I just think, you know, I just wanted to kind of get your kind of thoughts.

And again we we AI exist now when whenever you send your cards into for grading, whether you're a Bolk suburb or you're sending ten cards on your own, they go into the AI scanner, who they identify the card if it's any kind of parallel, a special insert, and then that labels the flip. So AI is in effect for most grading companies as we speak, I'm talking more along the lines like I just mentioned where it actually starts, you know, like a tag you kind of give a numerical great kind of your thoughts on strictly that and not a. Human I think everything you said I would agree with. You know, try AI run it through and just have a person visually inspected to see if it's fout or not, because at the end of the day, it's people programming that software.

And then you know, also the software that runs on the hardware in order for that to work. So I'm in agreement. Yeah, yeah, well I agree with you because that's I think we kind of concur But yeah, I think I don't you know, when I get my cards back from grading, I do like the I do appreciate the fact that someone looked at that, you know, with magnification in their hands, and maybe multiple people maybe he he or she said hey, I see this as a nine? What say you am? I right wrong? You know, depending on the car too, right, So I don't have a problem with that, but I just you know, I'd be more nervous having just one computer look at it. And then you're you're at the Mercy, Uh you know of that? Uh? You know, we talked you're in Philly.

We talked about the shows, and it seems, you know, Philly's always had shows, but it really some great shows are coming out of of that area. You know, it's a great city, right. My nephew is a fire fighter there now, Lieutenant. And you know you got your sports teams, the Eagles that look like perennial either super Bowl champions or Calice contenders every year.

The Flyers are on their way back in the Phillies are always as a met fan, I know this firsthand. Are always usually a leading contender to win the NL East and then guy you know, to advance in the playoffs and then get a worldy. So so a great sports town with some successful teams, obviously a great rich history. But I mean, what do you but but other than the obvious stuff that I you know, what do you attribute, like to the explosion of some new shows, some existing shows that have gotten even better, you know, as someone who lives there and attends the obviously more than me, you know, how how do you attribute what's going on in the Philly area.

So the first show I ever attended was the eighty eight National, which was in Atlantic City. Then in nineteen eighty nine, my father took me to the January. It was in January. It was a five hundred home run show or all the living members at that time at the five hundred Home Run Club were there.

So those were my first two exposures to big shows other than you know what we had in you know, local shows and best in best Westerns or you know, at the basement of churches where I actually bought my first pack of upper deck nineteen eighty nine Upper Deck. But I went to a show in like two thousand and two or three at the Philadelphia Convention Center, and that's where I sold a couple of bit cards. Even though I wasn't in a hobby, I wanted to get the money and I used for other stuff, So I sold the cards to mister Mint. And I didn't do my homework before approaching mister Mitt.

But I saw his stack of hundreds. So yeah, he definitely didn't take any mercy on me, but he taught me a valuable lesson to make sure I do my homework. And we're selling cards, it's time for a quick break, thoughts will be right back. Hobby Hotline is the Hobby's only live, interactive call in show.

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Let's return to the show. The Philly Show to me at the after Covid. I went to The Philly Show in March of twenty twenty two, and then I went in twenty twenty three, and just with the amount of athletes that they're getting there, and not only the amount of athletes, but the quantity, but the equality of the athletes. I mean, you got Schmidt, Carlton, Reggie Jackson was supposed to be at the two times ago but he wasn't able to make it.

And you got the Eagles, you got football players, you got hockey players, I mean basketball. We just had a show where like almost the whole Super Bowl team. Yeah, you never see that other than unless to go into the White House. Yeah, declining, but yeah, yeah, you rarely see that kind of attendance at one show.

It was packed. It was packed where on Friday night, Uh, my son was able to get done crew practice early and we got Gell and Hurts autographed. He signed uh you know, a souvenirs NFL Super Bowl ticket that that they were given out, and he was the nicest guy, humble. He thanked us for signing.

And yeah, and then uh everyone was there except for Saquon Barkley pretty much just probably because of a contract or maybe you know something, or maybe he was just out of town on that week. But everybody was there. Yeah, and even Foles. Foles was there for his uh his second out of lift out of the last three Philly shows.

Foles was there and that was nice because then you had the two Super Bowl MVPs from the Eagles teams there, you know, so he was there Saturday and that was and that was really cool. But uh, I got Folds's autograph on Friday, and on Saturday, my daughter and I got Schmid's autograph on two cards, and we got Jake Elliott's autograph. He's the he's the Eagles kicker. So that was fun.

But everybody, it was just a lot of fun. And then uh, I know a couple of baseball UH stars, Hall of famers, they were kicked until the Nut Show, so they'll be back in the fall. Because I just the Eagles. It wasn't like a last minute thing where they were able to get them all there.

It was the Eagles takeover. So yeah, and rightfully, So you just want a Lombardi Trophy, that's a that's a huge deal. So you you made a big you made a big couple acquisitions and and move some of your existing inventory if you want to share that, I you showed me. But for those listening and watching if you kind of want to talk about these are some we call them the heavy big boy cards, or at least I do.

It's it was. It was a lot of fun, it was a little bit of it was it was experience because you had to do homework. So luckily we have apps like card Ladder BCP. So the night before I got up sixteen of my Mickey Mantle cards, three of my two Jordan cards eighty six Flayer and ninety six Finest Gold Refractor, and they were all greated, so it was easy to get comps for those cards.

And then eighty eighty five star stocked in card and then I brought them to the Philly Show with a few other cards and I and I sold them and then I got all that money went to one dealer for the mantles, sixteen different Mantle cards from fifty six up to sixty nine. So I was able to keep my fifty one Bowman to fifty five Bowman's and my fifty three tops card. And I saw in the eighty six foot Jordans, like I said, and a few other ones, and I picked up a I got enough money to pick up these two cards. Now these things come from the Philly Show, but the money did so.

The first is a nineteen fourteen Cracker Check Walter Johnson, and it's a p S A three. It's an old label, it's a new label. It's it's an old shirt. But before I.

Bought it, I measured it and I got out the loop and you know, it looked like I was, you know, Tim from pool time with all the tools around the belt checking the cards out. It's smart, you know. I held it up to a light to make sure I can see throw it. And this is something that I never thought I was, you know, ever get the opportunity to.

But you know, I hate it moving Mantle cards. But I was gonna ask you that Tony what you know? I know, even though he's a Yankee mans, you know how difficult was that to like move that? Pretty much every Mantle card tops from fifty six to sixty nine I kept my favorite, so I kept fifty one Bowman up to fifty five Bowman. I kept the fifty three tops, kept the sixty seven tops, and I kept the sixty nine. I had three sixty nine tops.

One was the regular one which I sold, but I kept my autographed sixty nine tops Mantle, which is like a PSA three with the ten auto. And I kept my. SGC three sixty nine Mantle with the white letters, so I kept my favorite. So you know, that meant a lot to me.

But you know, growing up in the nineteen eighties, Mantle was the hobby. I mean, you know, you had May's, you had Banks, you had Williams, who was like a notch below Mantle, but at the very top of the Mount Everest or the Mount Russian wore of the hobby at that time. You had Demaggio and Mantle, and Demaggio always wanted to be first, but you know, Mantle let him go first. But Mancel was there everywhere because at fifty top.

So even though I wasn't a Yankees fan growing up other than Maddingly, you. Had to respect the Mantle factor. Everywhere I went, you know, whether it was buying an issue of Baseball cards or Beckett, Mantle was always there. A lot of articles and my father told me stories how great Mays was, and you know Robin Roberts, you know, but then he says, you know, if I had to pick one person who I saw play live, and you know, I would say the best would be May's and you know, Aaron rid behind them.

But if you had to pick the best player I saw coming from my dad in any one year, it would be Mantle. You know. Mantle was just unbelievable. Unfortunately he just couldn't you know, he could not sustain the productivity as long as Aaron and Mace.

But uh, when Mantle, you know, he was. At the top of his game. Though. Yeah, then you you know you're quiet? I think you shoulder Jackson And then yeah.

I picked up a nineteen fifteen cracker Jack And I'll say it like Keith Oberman does, honest Wagner and he with this card and when you shine, when we shine these up to the light. And I have a YouTube video that I recorded for my channel where I, you know, hold them up to lights and on my Instagram channel you can see the difference, you know what these look like. And uh, I never thought I would own a Wagner card. And when this presented the opportunity, and by selling the Mantle and the other cards and a few other cards like a few Jo Joe Wood cards, I had to sell a Clamente autographed.

But the way I have another one left. I it was just a It was a not an impulsive buy. It was an unexpected buy because I was online. A buddy of mine told me he found one on eBay that day, and he told me how much he paid, and.

What great, like, that's a pretty good deal. That I went online and I found on and of all places where I thought I would never buy a card from, I bought this from. Is that person usually that companies usually you know, thought of to have the highest prices within the hobby, but not for this wags a card though. Yeah, you never know.

You never know. That's why you always got to shop around, even even with my Jackie. I mean, when I knew I was in the market to finally like go ahead and just purchase one, I was really deliberate, Tony, and where I bought it, what price I wanted to be at, And that sort of makes all the sense incredible. And like you said, you still got all those mantles that are near and dear to your heart as well.

We didn't really touch on that much. I want to talk about something that probably some people don't know a lot about, even I don't know. I know some about, not probably as much as you. And that's the the Proofs of the seventy seven you know, the Tops, Reggie and so talk about these and like I know some things, when not all things, and then there's gonna be some people listening that have no idea, and you're gonna kind of break this card in a sense.

So in nineteen seventy seven, sorry, And at the end of nineteen seventy six was the first year baseball had had had had free agency, and with that you had a lot of players, you had moving teams, and Reggie Jackson was the biggest name then. So starting in December ninth is the date I know of. I don't know of any later earlier, excuse me. So December ninth, nineteen seventy six, Top started creating proofs to test different colors, you know, red, yellow, and blow and and they wanted to test how the colors would be.

So they picked out images. They printed these sheets and they would put all the yellow through first, all the scion then and and all the magenta, and if they look good, then they would start to combine colors. And and what I'm showing now on the screen for those that are that are listening, I'm just showing what the Reggie Proofs look like in terms of the colors. So once TOPS got and it's quite a progressive proof because you're going through the deep progression of all the different ink colors.

So also I'm thinking about this, and Tops didn't have a picture of Reggie at that time wearing his Yankees uniforms, so they had to use a Baltimore Orioles one. So they used the Baltimore Oriols picture of Reggie visiting Oakland, so he was wearing the Orioles uniform but at the Colisseum. And here's a picture of a nineteen eighty four issue of baseball cards, which is how I first learned about this card. So I got a some somehow I got to hold this magazine in nineteen eighty six, even though it came out in eighty four, So there was a card that people knew existed, but we never saw it before.

So early last year I'm on eBay and I saw that someone actually had a Reggie card for sale. It was in a Fall twenty nineteen auction at Aria, and Aria had all nine per all nine colors, and the four color proof, which is one which is the one you see on this magazine, sold for sixty thousand dollars or something, and the black and white one sold, but the other ones didn't sell. It didn't hit it didn't hit the reserve. So I saw this.

One on eBay right now, and when I'm holding up to my screen is the nineteen seventy seven Reggie Jackson proof of which was the three colors blue, red and blue, pink and blue pink and h and yellow thank you. And so I picked it up and and it's a it's a blank back and I was able to. Trace the history of this card. So it was purchased from in sheet form at the nineteen eighty nine Tops Guernsey's auction, which is now you know, it's a piece of hobby history.

It's a it's a famous auction. And one collector, Steve, Steve Rotman, picked up nine sheets and he got all nine of these sheets, including the one that that sold, and and he held on to him up until twenty nineteen. And then SGC had a program where you know, they would oversee cutting the sheets for you, and they didn't cut the sheets themselves, but they would get, you know, someone to cut it and then and then they would graded and that's how this card came to be graded. Yeah, and it's in my collection.

And doing further research on the card, I found out that the first known copy of a four color seventy seven Reggie Proof was at the nineteen eighty three National and then first time it was everything anyone ever saw one outside of tops and then in nineteen eighty four and it got in that Baseball Card magazine. And then mister Mint must have got ahold of that card because through a Sports Collector's Digest ad he had the first public sale in nineteen eighty six. Then he had the auction in eighty nine, and one of the sheets, uncut sheets with the four colors from nineteen eighty nine, was sold in a nineteen ninety four auction Ria and Bob Bob Lemke, along with Sports Collector's Digest, bought that sheet and that's how we came out with this issue from March twenty five, nineteen ninety four. I'm holding up the issue on my screen right now.

And they went into the card and they went in a little bit more detailed, a little bit history about it, about the card, and so it's a hobby important card. The only thing about the only negative but the card is you know, Of the three color proofs, there's less than two of them that exist. I only know one right now, but you know, always double it. Of the four color proofs Keith Oberman owns about four or five of them, including most of them are uncut sheets.

And then he has a cut sheet. And then someone got one great up by SGC, sorry CGS, CGC recently and that's up when he obeyed for some insane and man and that's the four color proof also. But even though Sports Sports Sports Collector's Diegest and Bob Lempke wrote these articles about it in their magazines and then they actually bought an uncut sheet, they never put it into this the inert catalog. So the Standard Baseball Card Catalog does not have this card listed.

It's not in the Beckett database, so it's not so because it's not in those two sources. It was never put in the TCDB database. It's not in the PSA database. So if anything happens to this card, and if SGC doesn't want a great now since their own by collectors, I'm going to have a problem because PSA will not recognize it because no one entered it in their database.

But they have other proofs such as the sixty seven of Roger Maris with the Yankees team instead of the Cardinals team that's in there because there's like sixty of them exist and those were all she cut scissor cut and they have like thats too, So a little bit frustrating, but you know, it's part of the hobby. So I just wish that, uh, you know, I hope that the hobby does get a standard catalog of some sort. And you notice, tony things can change. Well someone says today, people can tomorrow, uh, you know, change the ruling or or or how they view something.

And however you slice it right, an important part of hobby history, a rare part of hobby history, and uh, very cool. And as someone who appreciates Reggie right owning and I'm sure is a big thrill regardless of what whoever says what or what someone recognized, you know, the significance of it other people in the hobby, certain other people in the hobby know the significance of it. And how few there are to begin with. So the cards, I.

Gonta say, guess who else knows about this card? So I'm holding up Richie Jackson and my son and Reggie's holding the card and I'm holding up the blue the Psion version of the card. And when I got this picture taken at the at the Cleveland National, Reggie looked at the card and he gave double take because he recognized it. And then he just gave me. A little smirk.

Yeah, so he's aware of it. And you know, Riddy was obviously involved in the hobby, you know, in the late nineteen eighties when he broke when he hit the five hundred home runs and he's part of the club. He started buying up Mookie cards and he was gonna autograph each one of them up to the number of home runs that he hit. And then he had a house fired and he restarted it, and he had another house fire on for he went to Upper Duck.

The first autograph chase was. Yeah, the ninety oth per Duck. Yep, and we know the one that was numbered seven fourteen. He wrote, you know, home runs seven fourteen, some other ones he inscribed mister October.

So there's a story in the story there. Like you said, if you know Reggie on the field and he went off the field. An important part of the hobby growing up in New York City. Derman Monson was my guy, but as a young Yankee fan before steinbrenderkind of ruined that for me.

You know, Reggie could have ran for mayor in one without any that's how beloved he was in New York City. So, uh, you know that you don't get the nickname mis treked over by accident. So just you know world series historics, heroics and uh and you have an important part of hobby history, uh as well. Very cool.

Well, we're coming down to why you're here. You mentioned your YouTube. I always give the guests kind of the last say give out where people can check out your YouTube channel. We'll see that the Reggie stuff and amongst other things in your collection any social media you want to share.

Take your time there, Tony. So I do have a YouTube channel. It's TJ. Underscore is Underscore All Line.

So TJ as in Tony Joe as if Underscore is I online. And I'm also on Instagram. That's for a lot of my postar and uh Instagram, it's just search for TJ. Space is space online, and that's where I could be reached out.

Well awesome, and and you know there's stuff we didn't even get to we'll have to have you back on and and touch on that as well. But glad to call you my friend, Glad to finally have you on, and uh, you know, maybe see you here in a few months. I better, I'm going, I better get going get something done here, regardless of the U. In any case, thanks for coming.

Out, Thank you for having me. It's quite the honor. No, no, listen this today. We're just two guys enjoying the hobby.

So the feeling is like. What thanks, this is the scene. Cheer that doctor Beckett's hat and. There you go.

All right, Thanks Tony, Thank you for having me. Fun conversation there with Tony. That was part two. If you missed part one, no big deal, it's only one week back prior, go back and check that out.

Tony's a good dude man, and Philly's blowing up and he's he's a part of that that area. He's a Philly guy through and through, and we'll have him back and maybe, you know, maybe you might see him. I'm breaking cardboard here sometime soon. So it was fun having him on and hope you enjoyed the conversation as well.

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