Ep.312 w/ Lauren Rizzo Shaffer Part II

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Nation what up everybody Welcome to episode 312 of sports card

Nation Lauren Rizzo schaer is back for part two of our great

conversation uh continuing from last week's episode and Lauren's a writer for

various hobby Publications a collector uh she you know does shows uh she

stitches cards she's uh and she's just a great person right and I think that's the biggest uh takeaway and I was glad

to finally have her on and so we get some more Lauren today and that is a a

good thing uh just to say real quick uh some of you reached out uh they figured

out it was my birthday probably through Facebook if you follow me on Facebook or attach to me on Facebook I didn't really

talk about necessarily my birthday but uh some of you who happen to know or

figured it out uh who sent uh birthday wishes uh means a lot to me I want to

say thank you uh for that another year older uh you know I guess it could be

worse but um you know still here and uh nothing hobby related to talk about uh

birthday wise uh you know stayed home ordered some Italian food uh for me and

the family and uh had a great birthday it was a rainy day so kind of just uh

stayed inside and and ate some food and relaxed and uh uh watched some football

uh as well happened to be Sunday so uh got to watch some football and uh uh no

Steelers game they played earli in the week lost to the brown so no nerves go and just relaxed and watched all the

other teams uh play so uh pretty good birthday and again thanks to those who

who said happy birthday so appreciate that so enough about that let's get the

show uh going quick 30 second break and then we're back with Lauren Rizzo schaer

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[Music] hotline now to the conclusion of our great conversation with Lauren Rizzo

schaer I know some of that stuff where where card art is involved with that

artist having to cut up the card cards and and you know whether it be like what you just showed in a shadow box or just

cutting up pieces and making sort of a a caleidoscope design and other designs if

you will but here's the thing like I it's a bad par I know people make the parallel to those two things but you

know when it comes to like car trimming and cut that's done to dupe somebody

they're not they're not someone that's doing that stuff doesn't want you to know they did that stuff that's the the

whole end game is like I'm going to sell this as it's not altered and hey look at

it it's got four sharp corners and no white edging and it's going to grade

high or did you know you fool The Grater in some cases right yeah right card art

is not that it it there's no secret I mean the secret might be in how the heck did the artist do that that's amazing

but there's no secret like they're not this isn't designed to get graded and go

from a six a nine you know I mean that's that's not the end game there so I get I

get why some people draw those parallels but it's it's you can't because they're

two different animals right not even the same species and so exactly yeah and I think I think it gives card a bad rep

when it it's not even an earned one like if you're gonna get a a bad rep at leas they're not trying like this is all up

in the like this is this this is all 100% transparent like I'm going to you

know look like uh like you know Tim Carol who who cuts up real cards and then makes a picture of iconic cards

with the cutup c there no secret he's at the national at a table doing it in front of

it you know and you you're right I think people connect those when there's really

no connection they are two different one is a completely illegal immoral act

right uh a theft in the sense and the other one's creativity and if someone

wants to pay for that creativity and genius then it is what it is they that

no one's buying you know that that Shack you have you know you're not sending

that to PSA or SGC uh for grading they wouldn't grade it but even if they did

you know what I mean that's not necessarily uh what it's what it's about so I right I get it I think you make a

great point there and I think but the point is these are two different things that shouldn't be put into the same same

box one is done by one is done by criminal element and the other is done

by a very talented uh person and someone might say well John that trimmer might

be talented he might be you know a bank robbers can be talented too good at their CRA it's still illegal and and a

crime so right frowned upon though so yeah yeah so to put him in the same

categories not not not fair uh to the artists that are doing great work but it's a great point because I think

that's what exactly uh happens unfortunately and unfairly so um so hopefully that that sort of changes and

people see for what it really is meant to be right I think most people do I I

think most people do but you have that small segment right that just doesn't think about it maybe on on that same

level maybe you and the majority uh do you know I know you mentioned uh Kayla I

believe the player was Austin Hayes I could be wrong yeah I blanked on it completely but yeah yeah no that's okay

that's okay uh I just figured I'd throw that in there well uh you know I want to segue to you know uh women in the hobby

you kind of mentioned that as well obviously you are a woman in in the hobby um I've been in the hobby since

1979 I can tell you as a seven year old kid in 1979 um it was obviously in you know

heavily very few women involved in the hobby when I did my first show as a

15year old dealer in 1987 same thing right well we made and

we've got a lot of room for room ways to go don't I'm not you know well I think

the Hobbies made strides uh in this category we've seen uh women hold

positions of power in the corporate side of of the hobby uh we're seeing

obviously a lot more uh female collectors that is awesome um we're

seeing more female dealers which I think is really super cool um you know used to

be let's I'm going to keep it real like it used to be if you saw a female behind

the table was someone's wife now these are dealers themselves there may not

even be a husband you know and and you know black jaded wolf and others I I don't you know

I'll leave someone out but but there's there's we're seeing across the board at all different levels ERS collectors uh

jobs in the hobby holding very important positions for me it's it's great to see because that's how it should be the

hobby should be about anything should be about diversity you know including uh

everyone but we have a ways to go I've heard you know the bad side of the stories where I've seen it I'm Not Gon

to lie I've seen firsthand being set up as a dealer another dealer how do I want

bch a female collector or assume she didn't know as much because she was

female yet that wasn't the case I've had that conversation I don't want to say with a friend but even just in a dealer

acquaintance and I'm like you went and assumed you know and that's not the case

you can't you know and I've had those tough conversations so while we've made strides Lauren I know I'm being a little

longwinded here there's still ways to go from from your perspective as an actual

uh woman in the hobby what have you you know from from when you started and and

and today you know I'm sure you've seen strides but kind of talk about even your

own personal experiences if you will uh kind of talk about you know piggyback and sort off what I said uh you know

what you've seen firsthand you know in the trenches if you will to be a little dramatic yeah I I mean well first of all

I I would like to say I appreciate that you acknowledge that you witnessed something and um you know you you

experienced that you know through somebody else because a lot of people I will say you know not to paint with

broad strokes but um they don't want to acknowledge that and um you know I don't

want to sit here and be like boohoo it's so hard for me but um if if it wasn't

for my husband I don't know that I would have stayed in this space if it wasn't for social media I know I wouldn't have

stayed in this space um it's big part of the hobby I think and I don't think

anybody would disagree with this is community and I think finding a community of women is what made me feel

comfortable and able to stay because um there's ju I mean just there's there's

doubts sometimes I'll just be frank I have doubts sometimes do I know what I'm talking about do I belong here um do I

want to even go into this experience whether it be you know trading or or my

husband you know he's a dealer and I go with him and um you know I I'll I'll be

honest I've I've had to tell him like I'm very happy to be here if you need to run to the restroom or get a snack I

obviously am happy to be here by myself but um people will sometimes not talk to

me when I'm there by myself um they you know I I can greet them or whatever and

I've been I mean I've been make I'll say I'll say what maybe you're I want to say fearful but you're a little T say right

you might be viewed as oh that's just a dealer's wife yeah and you are you are

I'm not saying that if exactly but they think like oh she she doesn't know she

doesn't know anything about the car and it's the same conversation not the not the kind of to cut in on here but it's

kind of it's the same conversation I had with the dealer who I was set up next to

who basically belittle might be too strong I don't think it was that bad but

he basically without even knowing the young lady just made the assumption that

she didn't know anything because of her you know right race and uh or you know

because she was female and you can't do that you can't do you can't make that assumption just on on visuals um and

people do that all the time I'm not you know but you can't or you should TR definitely try uh not to and and you

know I saw the kind of the interaction between the two of them um she walked

away I don't think she was feeling pretty good about that interaction and and I knew him enough Lauren to say

something to him and I used Tack and I used tacked in my conversation to him

and then I'll just you know give the cliff notes version I basically said you know I think you you sort of you know

how come you said this and how come you said that well I I didn't think she knew and I'm like you just did you hear what

you just said you you didn't think she did meaning she did and I'm like you can't you know not in not anymore you

know uh and and you shouldn't anyway but uh especially uh the HBY is is is

growing and um and and and rightfully so and I I think he learned his lesson

between the interaction and my conversation uh afterwards and I'm not a

you know a gatekeeper per se I don't believe I think we're all Gatekeepers right I don't think you selfa appoint

yourself but I I was I was glad I knew him on off laoren that I could have that

that sort of tough conversation if you will and I think right after between what happened with the conversation uh

with the young lady and my conversation again afterwards I think he realized sort of the error in in his ways and I I

you know so I think when when the next time comes I think he'll you know muscle

memory he'll he'll revert back to like hey I'm not going to do make that mistake again uh or at least I hope so

right right um and and you know we can learn from our mistakes right and hopefully in this case that dealer does

but so I've seen that you know why you know I've seen that firsthand and I felt

really bad I almost wanted to like leave my table and like kind of go up to and

like hey I I like deal like all dealers are not like that either please don't

you know but I I did so I I took my opportunity to sort of direct that at him and and sort of a teaching moment if

you will a professional muscle in as well but you know and and maybe prevent

that I think that's you know being proactive that's where the change will eventually uh occur and so so for me to

like say that doesn't happen when I seen it firsthand I know it I know what occurs and and and I um I hate to say it

maybe it's more the norm than it should be uh and some uh some scenarios so but

I didn't mean to cut you out but I wanted to in yeah I'm glad you see it for yeah just seeing it firsthand but

you know is again and like going back to you you know where you're behind the table people making that assumption that

oh she doesn't know she's just watching the table so and so gets back you know and you can't you can't do that you

can't do that even if it was the case you still it still can't do it it doesn't make it uh right so but but go

ahead I mean I just wanted to sort of interject but go ahead I'm sorry yeah I I appreciate you saying all that because

um you know and even you know you saying um you felt comfortable you know talking

to this this person you know and saying like why would you treat somebody that way um you know it I it's hard it is

hard um you know and I I know a lot of people don't want to talk about this and they don't to have this conversation but

it you know a lot of people talk about 10 Xing the hobby I know that's kind of a massive slogan for you know some

corporations and stuff um you can't you can't 10 exit if you are trying to close

people out if you are trying to say you don't fit the mold and um I think you

know you you make a very good point too A lot of people are like oh that's just the wife the girlfriend whatever um I

can hold space for both things I can be a collector and I can be a spouse I can

you know I can be two things at once and that seems to confound some people with

that whether they realize that or not um you know I I might not know everything you know sometimes my husband has really

high-end cards and I I don't know the details of the the price but like you

know and here here's the other thing and this will be a shorter Interruption no one here's the thing no

one knows everything that exact it's not a it's not a male I don't know anything

it's not a male it's not men know everything and and women don't it's it's

we can say that about every dealer every person in the hobby so yeah you know we've got to stop like looking at

someone at face value and then making all these assumptions and no one no one

knows everything so you know uh it just becomes like how much do you know but uh

you know and I learned St something every day and this is 44 years in into

the hobby right so so yeah you but but go ahead I just want to when I hear you

say well we don't know again that's again a stereotype that we got to get away you're right though like you know

but the that that not everybody knows everything but the bar is definitely and

I'm not saying in contrast to what you're saying I I understand what I don't want you to think I'm being in opposition of what you're saying um just

to add on to it you know the bar is higher for some of us um and you know me

having to text my husband on something because he didn't mark the price or whatever um not always but sometimes

people are like I'll just come back and then they're you know and um you know that's not more than anything that put

that that makes me feel like a hindrance to you know my husband's operation there

and that's not that's not what it is and that's not fair for me to put that kind of pressure on myself um I don't really

remember where I was going but um yeah I just I don't um um I mean I I don't know

how many I don't know how many times I I could probably text any of my um you

know female friends right now and say um has anybody ever challenged you when you

were talking about something Instagram or in person or what have you um and I I would probably say maybe like nine out

of time nine out of ten times the the probably the top of Mind response would be oh yeah they asked me to name uh um

like five players from that team or name their statistics you know the statistics

of that particular I can't tell you how many times I've tried to join into a conversation um mostly online you know

in the comment section or whatever and the comments that come up underneath it are um you know name name five players

from whatever name their their scoring average from the last they're giving you a test when there's no test yeah ad

Minister yeah if my my husband has an opinion on on an athlete nobody's asking

him like okay well what was you know what was the shooting average in you know 1994 like and

I and i' I've seen that I've seen that too I've seen that I've seen that in the

hobby Lauren I've seen that you know speaking fantasy leagues I play in in

baseball and football fantasy leagues and we had a female uh person you know a

lady in our fantasy football league now I didn't know her I just met her at the draft but there were a couple and I

didn't do it but there were a couple other guys in that League that much like you just said hey you know uh kind of

quized her like sort of to justify her being in the same room yeah and you know

I I think I even said like knock it off guys let's get the draft going or like you know I did it in I said listen she's

you know we're all paying 125 bucks to enter into like let's you know sort of like through water on the fire like to

put it right in that in that sort of way instead of making it a bigger deal I

think it worked because then we got going but like I felt bad it was almost like she had to like earn her way in and

and that again an unnecessarily an unnecessary test there is no test right

right if she doesn't know if she doesn't know right that's her 125 bucks in this

case right he wants to play and enjoy a you know that's her business we don't have to quiz or test anybody right um

you know so I see it's not even just again in the hobby that's that's a

fantasy league story but so but I'm and I know that happens Obby because again I've seen it uh on that level too has it

let me ask you this kind of and then we'll get into into your writing but is has it improved and are we moving are

the improvements moving fast enough or or or in your opinion are we getting

better you know at at the right pace or or not necessarily I I think it's it's

hard to say it's hard to generalize that I'll say for me I'll I'll be honest um

I've never been a big like blocker for accounts like blocking people um but if

I have found that if I see something appro inapo like that I I deem um

unacceptable I'll just go ahead and use that word unacceptable unacceptable from my experience um I I will probably just

go ahead in in the I don't we don't have to have ever interacted I could just see your comment and just gut sense I don't

want this part of my experience um and you know that's not with everything but with with the Hobby in order for me to

not get burnt out on it um and and to enjoy it I I I I have to curate my

experience and um you know I I'm I don't want to speak for you know all women all

my friends um you know all all minorities like you know across the

board I think in some ways we've gotten better I think in some ways um it's been

more overt or more covert it just kind of depends um I I think I don't know you

know I'll just I'll just say I I it's hard because you you can't you don't

want like my line I always say you don't want to paint with a broad brush it's not listen I think we we both will agree

on this much right it's never going to be right it's not gonna be a Utopia it's

not gonna be all like roses every day but I'm here and I'm happy and um I

wouldn't I wouldn't be if I wasn't I guess I'll just say that now is it the same level of happiness every day and in

every inter interaction and experience probably not but like overall I I still

derive Joy from being a part of this community Community from collecting um

from whatever aspect that I take in from my experience um I think that you know

with people like you who are saying um not necessarily that this is a priority

but that this is something I'm willing to act on and to um divert somebody

else's discomfort into my own so that I can maybe prevented in the future

because that's what you're you're doing with these interactions and I think that's the biggest thing I think um for

a lot of men it is hard to stand up to your friends and I know you don't want to you know destroy relationships

because it can impact your collecting down the line but I I don't think you're wrong for me just speaking for myself if

that conversation ruins a friendship or an acquaintance if you will then I

probably didn't what kind of friend did I hate to say it like this but what kind of friend that I really like I don't

exactly it doesn't it doesn't align with how I was rais in what I believe in so

and I'm not saying you have to all your friends you have to agree with everything they say that's that's basic

human know kindness decency I think that that's a a pretty pretty you know if I

lose a friend or even a listener on the podcast uh because I I stick up for

somebody who deserves to be stucking up for yeah then so be then so be it uh I

I'll I'll when my head hits the pillow that day I'll I'll sleep just fine and and hopefully wake up uh just fine as

well too so that's never been for me uh and maybe it's easier for me than than

for some others I I again can't pay with that that say but for me just the way I was raised I was raised by my

grandparents and my grandfather died when I was 12 and so uh you know my

grandma was still around for for years after that for all intents and purposes she she was my mom so uh and a very

strong female presence so that's never going to be an issue with me and even

further than that I have no problem you know going to bad if you will uh you know to try to prevent uh some of that

stuff we see and like like I said if I lose a friend an acquaintance or a

listener because of that stance then it is what it is I'm I'm I'm I'm okay with

that like that's I'd be not okay if I didn't do anything and and think well my

grandma would be very uh disappointed uh in me for not doing us then I would have

trouble uh sleeping at night so uh that's you know that's kind of where I'm coming from so we'll kind of you know

hopefully the the strides continue to get to get made I will do what I can do

when when the opportunity uh presents itself and uh I think it's important and

uh you know hopefully uh you know and I I think you make a great Point too Lauren where you know like there's

nothing wrong with delete like either not accepting someone's friend request or deleting someone if it's ruining your

hobby enjoyment right that's uh nothing wrong with that you don't have to apologize for that and I don't want you

to go nowhere and so if that's if if that's at the uh sacrifice of someone

who maybe doesn't have great morals to begin with then it is what it is and so

you know whatever you got to do right exactly whatever gets you during the day

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card Nation Podcast all right so kind of coming down

the home stretch here uh we both happen to write for uh Sports Illustrated collect and and hobby News Daily uh you

know uh and you do great you do great work and uh you know get we can plug

kind of direct people where at the end here but is is writing something you've always done or is it something you've

sort of honed your skill like where where does writing fit in uh you know

for you I um I mean I I I've always been interested in reading and writing um

since I was a little kid it's just kind of always been uh probably like with the

the needle point like it's just kind of an innate um I to kind of like

facilitate this conversation when I was a kid I had something wrong with my my foot and I couldn't play a lot of sports

and I was little I was like six or seven so I did a lot of like more stationary

things and um so you know I wasn't ever GNA be an athlete but I liked Sports and

I appreciated it and um but I did a lot of quiet things like reading and writing and stuff and um I got my degree in

English in college and um so I kind of you know I've always had like writing's

always been kind of one of the things that I feel that I am I'm I'm very um I

I am just very good at I just just to put it plainly it's one of the things that I can um you know not always you

know some of my artic probably aren't perect like they're probably not a great read but um it's one of the things that

I feel like comes to me pretty pretty naturally and um yeah and so you know

when Danny with hobby News Daily um he he asked me if I wanted to write I think

um gosh I think it was December because I was going to start in January so it's been almost a year um he asked me if I

you know would like to if you know I thought I had anything to say and I was like I don't really know but this is

really cool and I'd like to be a part of it so I'll figure it out once a month I can definitely figure it out um so yeah

so i' I've been able to kind of you know merge once again merge my passions and

the things I enjoy and um and also again built a good Community you know I I've

gotten to know more about you and um and you know like Adam Palmer and and then

Kayla you know we got to colle connect even more on that and Danny is incredible I'm you know like very glad

that I have like a direct line now to him and that I you know like um I it's

really great and then when he asked me to do Sports Illustrated a little over a month ago I was like yeah yeah

absolutely like um I yeah I'll do it so yeah that's it's once again just kind of

everything working together towards a certain point and you and you do a great job and you're you're far more trained

than I am being like you said an English major I'm you know I'm lucky I can speak

it sometimes alone write it and you know it's funny hearing you say like you

write something and like is it good or I don't know you know I I think all writers if if you will sort of uh go

through that there's sometimes like you know I'll write something and I'm like I don't think that's very good and and'll

get good feedback and then there's that's a that's a two-way street now too

that there's sometimes I think like man that I like that you know we all read

our like after we write it we read it to ourselves right oh I like that and like

maybe we like it more than certain other people do if you will so that that

that's a double edged sword right and I think that's you know that comes with the other the territory I think for me

too writing is just another Outlet I I wrote for tough stuff way back in the

day for those that remember the the you know the hobby magazine tough stuff um

and again I'm not classically chain uh trained I'm more self-taught I think I've I hope I've gotten better the more

the more I do it I I'm more I'll say I'll just go ahead and I'm more I speak

from experence like I just share my experience I also share my opinions and and sometimes people agree with them

sometimes people don't that's the beauty you know no one no one ever says I wonder what John feels about that

because it's pretty I do I'm like I can't wait to hear his yeah I'm not shy to to you know

one of the what you know I've had people say listen I don't agree with everything you say John but I really appreciate you

because you don't you don't mince words yes and I you know and that's just

another way I I I'll you know hats off to my grandparents for kind of instilling that you know to to ex ress

yourself and and obviously do it the right way and and don't be a jerk about it but um you know but I I am

opinionated but you got there's tacked in that as well right it's easy to say

top stinks or Panini sucks uh there's a there's ways to do the same thing without using why is that what can and

right but also what role do it's easy for us as as hobbyists and collectors to

say that but what can we do proactively to to make make that better or get them

to act so exactly that's what you do yeah that's you have thoughts but then

you also are like yeah but I'm gonna back it up and say what I think might help the situation and you're very good

at articulating that yeah and it may fall on deaf ears and and and that is

what it that is what it is but uh you know that's how I try to be um very few

people will read anything I write or hear a podcast episode and man he just

he he beats around the bush that that's not someone will will say with me and

that's that's on purpose right and but I also try to be respectful and use tag

and I've had people on this very show Lauren and and that were sort of in the

Limelight maybe for not great things and and I have to ask tough questions too but I do it in a respectful Manner and I

have had so and say hey I don't agree with that or you know uh you know I've

had someone from grading like I upcharges our money grab I don't like them I know you know well here's why we

do it John you know whether you AG agree with our explanation or not this is why

and I still say no I hear you but and I respect you but I don't I still don't

like you didn't you didn't change my mind that particular issue and that's

the be you know that's the way it should be right and and and we can still be friends we can we don't have to agree

across the board you know we we're obviously an election year we just had

uh the election uh take place and it always amazed me how much animosity and

and vit all is involved and and I get it we all want the folks we like to win and

but you know at the end of the day I mean in the United States right no matter who wins right we're all should

be waving that same flag at the end I don't think that always always works

that way or happens that way but um and and the hobby too right like so many

times you have to take a like there's a line drawn what side are you on and I

agree we have the side might be the opinion but we're still on in the same fraternity of being the Hobby and I

think more I wish more people sort of uh thought along uh those lines you know

and I think we'd get along uh the hobby would be even fun hobby is fun but it' be even funner if we had a little bit

more of that sort of sentiment rather than sometimes uh when when we don't all

right I don't ask this to every guest uh but I do sometimes I'm going to give it to you Lauren uh I call my hobby magic

wand obviously unfortunately it's not a real thing I'm trying to invent it but

uh not coming up good in the lab but it's a magic wand like we traditionally

know magic wands but uh you get one wish and it has to be hobby related and you

can do whatever you want you only get one you can't you can't use one wish and get say I want three wishes now okay

right that that that's the Only Rule yeah but you you can get rid of

anything you could say hey I want this Grail card whatever you want to use it

for that's the beauty uh of it uh what do you use in your hobby magic wand I

the the kneejerk reaction was uh um Christina Christina's

PC from card ladder uh the neon green

prism fast break disco I I I need her to

get that card so badly and and that is what I would use my my magic wand on is

to pull that card out of wherever they're hiding and and give her let her

create like let her complete that rainbow it's time it has to happen for all of us it's it's a hobby wide

accomplishment when that card surfaces well we're we're chuckling I chuckled you chuckled but all seriousness I think

that speaks volumes to the kind of person you are Lauren for to use your wish to help someone else out right uh I

don't know if I would have did I don't ask myself normally on the show uh but if like I don't know if I could I would

have done that and so kudos to you uh that speaks again uh to you to your

personality and who you are that you're basically you know using your wish to to

make someone else's uh day if you will and I'm very passionate about her yeah

and and hopefully you know unfortunately the Hobby Magic want's not really real

but hopefully that mission gets completed uh nonetheless as well we I had a on recently and and I know she she

threw that out there yep you know hopefully that happens uh I agree but

that's very unselfish of you and and Kudos uh for saying that and being that

way and uh again speaks volumes uh to who who you are and uh which is which is

awesome so with that being said uh I always give the guest sort of the final

uh final word where people can see what you're doing uh whether it be the Articles you're writing in the cards

you're creating uh Day in the Life whatever you know social media no time

limit uh put that stuff out there and and that way people can see all the great stuff you do okay um my I'm on

Instagram pretty much that's the only place I'm at uh social media wise uh Lauren goes here um and uh I am a writer

for collectibles on SI and I'm really enjoying that and there's a lot of really good writers there so even if you

don't want to read what I write highly recommend going there and checking it out um and then also hobby News Daily I

write an article once a month but it's in the name hobby News Daily Danny has a

great Collective of people contributing it's a great website there's a lot of different perspectives on a lot of

different topics and um yeah so those are the three places and even if you

don't want to hear what I'm up to or see what I'm up to definitely check out collectibles on SI and hobby News Daily

yeah one one thing I'll throw in there too both obviously create sites different styles of writing different

types of Articles so it's not one size fits all you can you can go to both

sides and see all sorts of different it's not like they're the same articles on each one and they're not and they're

not and they're not designed to be that's done that's the way they're they're set up so check both of those

sites out Lauren's doing uh tremendous uh with her her uh writing on both of

those sites and uh uh you know you can learn you can learn some stuff along

with me uh as well so Lauren awesome finally having you on but again betterly

to never keep up uh the great work and we'll have you back and I uh we won't make you wait this we won't make you

wait this long I wait forever this was fantastic I really appreciate it well

thank thank you thanks John man Lauren such a bright light in the hobby glad to

get to know her a little bit better and uh just uh just a great person and uh

again wanted to have her on sooner but uh better late than than never and we'll have her back on again if uh she'll come

back on so uh check out what she does check out her her writing which is

excellent to say the very least and uh loves the hobby collects and and wears

many hats and and wears them all very well time for our hobby is the people

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