Ep.306 w/Chris McGill & Kristina Thorson of Card Ladder Part II

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Nation what is up everybody Welcome to episode 306 sports card Nation Today part two of

our candid conversation with Chris Mcgill and Christina Thorson of card ladder and finally it was good

to catch up with them after uh probably think almost two years and uh if you

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with part two of our conversation with Chris Mcgill and Christina Thorson of

card ladder now on the topic of potholes which is a really which is a great one

because I like I was saying I think every collector and content creator and participant in the hobby they deal with

it on some level you know I mean if people have a disagreement it can get heated and it can involve you know the

stakes can feel really high because like certain people really believe in this card and other people really believe in

that card or some people you know really believe the industry should look like this and other people really believe it should look like that and you know it

can become personal and it can become about motivations and at the end of the day like it's okay it's what's going to

happen you know people are going to argue they're going to get upset at each other they're going to fire some shots you know hopefully at the end of the day

everybody who's when when calmer head when cooler heads prevail people calm down a little bit they can get back on

the same page and have some mutual respect going for each other um but then you know the other side of the coin too

is that uh this is a hobby uh occasionally people do need to blow off steam occasionally people do observe

things that are out of whack or that somebody might be up to no good and you know hey it takes

balls to call that stuff out because there can be a lot of blowback you can get a lot of flack now sometimes people mess up you know and they call out the

wrong thing or they didn't have the full fact straight and that's okay we're gonna have I think we should have a

tolerance for people to make mistakes or to get something wrong give them a chance to correct the record give them a chance to get it right but you know we

also have to sort of take the perspective that you know think about Ben Simmons all right Ben Simmons is a

guy who had a had a nice start in Philadelphia and then it went awful and

on the Philadelphia 76ers and then he kind of forced his way out of the team people were wondering is he faking his injury is he not the last time Ben

Simmons rolled into Philadelphia to play a game there was hundreds of people waiting outside the bus just booing him

calling him every name in the book they were throwing bottles at him you know I mean it was vicious this is this is this

is uh This Is The Life for people who have a public a public facing Dimension

to their Persona and when you're in the in the public sphere when you're acting

as a public figure this is going to come with the territory people are going to be tough people are going to blow off steam people going to have harsh words

and I just think it's actually incumbent upon the recipient of the criticism to a

take it seriously I think almost everybody out there in the world has something something worthwhile to say

there are some people who are just but the but almost everybody has something worth listening to so if

somebody's criticizing me for example and even if it's sharp and it's you know

it's it's mean and it's tough I still want to listen to it because you know what maybe this person's saying what a

hundred other people are thinking and maybe they're not putting it as politely as they could but I could still learn

something from this there might be something there that I can actually take and make myself a better person from it so let me let me listen to it and take

it seriously even though it stinks but let me just listen to it take it seriously see if I can learn from and

then secondarily even if I can't you know even if it's just kind of an unfair criticism somebody's just kind of you

know being tough and and slinging some mud let him let him you know you kind of

pointed out that sometimes people are you know it's it's a reflection of their own unhappiness which could be the case

uh sometimes there's a morsel of Truth in there but even if there isn't you know people need to vent people need to

blow off some steam I think the best thing you can do as a recipient of that is just try to have empathy you have to

be careful too just because sometimes you have to set the record straight if somebody is saying something untrue

about you or something unfair about you and then other people read it and then they don't know the full context then

sometimes you have to go out and you have to set the record straight that can be annoying and it takes effort but that's just part of life sometimes you

have to go out there you have to stand up for yourself and but other times part of life is just saying hey you know this

is my fellow human being they might be going through something they also might have a point let me take it serious

seriously but it's but let me not internalize it too much let me let it not it's not going to bother me but let

him say it and let's see if we can learn something from and at the end of the day have some empathy and compassion uh for

people who you know might be having a hard time or they might be blown off steam or whatever the case may be so

that's kind of how I look at potholes John yeah it's a great Point uh you made too with like I like what you said like

hey I I'll listen you know um and maybe I can learn something in the process and

and you use a word that I think is important like personal if someone can avoid making it personal like you could

be critical without making it personal right you can say hey I don't like when

you did this or I don't agree when you did that but when you resort to name

calling or or labeling and other things like that I think that's where the line

gets crossed that's where like you said I I I'm kind of like you like I've had hey I didn't like that new segment you

did or the old segment you did it's it's kind of past its its expiration day

right if you come at it with tact I'll I'm more apt to listen to you than if

you just say you know John you're stupid and that segment sucks too right you know what I mean because it's just it's

it comes from a an animosity place where the first thing I'm like is he really

critiquing the the something or he just doesn't like me because I'm ugly is it as simple is as simple as that or should

I really take this point uh but you the point gets lost in the personal aspect

of if you use tat you know I know I spoke to you even before we we started recording about you know we do double

episodes now with this show in the interview guest to make them shorter and more consumable that was from people

saying hey John love the show but long like a little bit long you know and it

was something like I told you I was thinking about doing but those people who used back and and said that um it it

made that decision easier and I I think it was a good one and I'm more I think we're more after to listen to people uh

when they use TCT and when they just cross the line right out the right out the gate and you're a jerk and you know

who who knows what else uh they and I think we've all dealt with it uh some more than others obviously and and like

you said uh you know you can't lose sleep about it you just got to do what you think is the best you're not you're

not going to win the whole room right I I know that from my coaching days as a as a a high school football coach and

baseball coach like you know you could go undefeated and but you know there's

going to be the parents whose kids didn't play as much as they thought and they're still gonna they're still going to dislike you uh even though they got a

big trophy uh in their son's room right or daughter's room so um you just

knowing that's half to battle and um you know uh but like you said you should always you know try to be open to

feedback as long as it comes from a respectful place with tech and I think

that was that I think that says a lot about you that you said that you know someone else might have answered that a

different way or hey I don't listen to him I block out all the white noise and sometimes that's that's not a wrong

answer either but the fact that you said hey I I don't shut the door I I maybe

there's something I can learn even though the message may not be great maybe there's something I can take uh

from it I think that that says a lot about uh both of you that that that's the fact and uh I appreciate that right

so uh speaking of the grind right I talked about uh you you know you're making the rounds at the shows talk

about the difficulties of that your your family folks I I know right now uh

you're in Chicago with family but talk about the grind of of doing shows you

know I think it people don't realize that they think a show is just all fun and and games and it is fun it is fun

I'm I'm not someone who does them like I said on both sides of the table as a

content creator is for sure fun but there's also a lot of work that goes

into it travel not as much sleep always on to go you lose what day it is I don't

even know what day uh today is let me look at my phone and see right let me

look at my phone and see where I got to be and what time and those sort things I don't think people who don't and and

I'll stick out for them maybe they just because they they they don't do that they don't understand it it's not that

they're naive they just don't get how that process works I don't I'm not a doctor so I'm not going to do surgery so

I I can't speak to that right but talk about the grind and some some of the difficulties uh with with the travel

setting up you know representing uh content creation representing card all

that all that good stuff yeah so preparing to go to a show starts at least four months before the show uh for

the national it's a lot sooner like the national prep starts like now for next

summer um and that is because we're a small team and we have to continue

operating and running card ladder while we're at shows so um we have uh an

amazing content director and he starts putting together things uh about four

months before a large show to prep uh his work uh for content to come out

during the show and after the show about what we were doing there um or who we

were talking to there um and then we have to organize hotels and travel and

Booth space um we also have to pack up

our entire offices and bring them with us to the show and set them up in hotel

rooms um so that you know you talked about the gr John like we're at the show

talking to people and answering questions giving out uh things for

giveaways and whatever and that's during Show hours so uh we're pulling double

duty during shows as well because after that we're running out of the convention

center trying to grab something to eat quick and then going up to the hotel office

and then we're sitting down to review comps and sales and make sure we're answering customer feedback that comes

in online um because it's not just we're talking to customers during the day

we're also talking to them at night who might not be at the show or who need

assistance uh and we're answering DMS throughout the entire show uh to help

people and then um we're staying up until about 3 a getting those sales

reviewed um so that everyone wakes up in the morning to go to the show with uh

accurate comps and accurate data so that they can make the best informed decisions and we're waking up with them

as well so that we could be at our booth uh and there to answer questions or to

do whatever we have to do uh on the agenda that day um including meetings

and things as well with other companies or other people um so it's a lot like

honestly I it takes me like personally to like for after a big show it takes me

about two weeks to just like get back on my normal schedule of like I'm on top of

my emails I'm on top of the DMS I'm on top of the customer service um because

like everything kind of Falls like secondary to a large show uh like the

national so it's it's exhausting um but I have a great team uh and the guys all

pull their weight so that you know I can wake up late one morning um if I had

like you know a crazy day the day before I just gotta stop right there Christina is being a little too humble I mean she

does she is the sled dog pulling the sled when it comes to the shows when it

comes to setting them up when it comes to you know preparing the booth ordering the pieces

that come in assembling it when it gets there interfacing with all the different people that need to be interfaced with

to make sure we get our booth and that we're set up in the right spot she often times is planning the whole trip I mean

all the way down to the accommodations and then she is the one who's always anchoring our booth I mean Josh myself

and Nick would go we would go nuts if we had to sit in that Booth all day you know we we get to walk around and buy

Cards and talk to friends and deal you know I love you you know I love you I am going to tested that because whenever I

come by it's always Christina you're there sometimes I don't I'm not gonna throw you under the bus but I think

she's clacking more hours oh 100% that's why I just had to she did a great job explaining it but I just want to add on

that like she she doesn't take a break during the whole time she it's a it's a

very stressful environment you know falls on her shoulders we've never had anything but a very successful show

because we're in great we're in great hands when we're in her hands for that stuff but just so she doesn't downplay

herself too much there I mean she is the star of the show no pun intended thank you but I will say this past National

like Josh one day was like Hey sleep in tomorrow I will cover the booth in the

morning because you need like you're running on fume and uh so like my team

does Step Up for me is all I want to say like they are really good the guys are really good of like Chris being like why

don't you go walk around like for like an hour or two I got this like I'll stay

here so like they it's taken us a few years but they can read when I'm at my

breaking point and right before I get there John they'll step in and be like hey let's not have a Christina panic

attack or a freak out stress moment you step away we got this so um yeah I I

have a great team that supports me and recognizes the work that I put in and

therefore um like it's been knock on wood successful shows uh thus far yeah

it's and and it's it's great like you you're there for each other it's a Well oil machine even though it's a grind and

tough and and has its moments right you know you can depend on the person you

work with or work uh you know behind you or everyone's willing to kind of pitch in and do what it takes uh to make it

happen or relieve someone else to give them a break so they can recharge and replenish and you know that's not always

the case and and sometimes that's why maybe someone doesn't make it or they burn out um you know how many shows uh

like how many shows are you do I know what changes every year we got we got new shows popping up every year

approximately uh how many weekends would you say are you on the road um so we go

to shows but don't always set up at them um and a lot of that is for uh meetings

or just like to walk around and do some brand uh like branding stuff like

talking to dealers um getting people set up on card ladder when we can help uh in

person but setting up and like doing a full Booth is kind of kind of rare for

us due to the fact that the show hours are very long and we have to work every

night so we really save that for the large shows and that's like two to three

uh a year that we'll set up at the large shows um the national is always one of

them uh but like you know we live in Dallas during the basketball season so

um we're at those shows uh we also travel so we just at the Minneapolis

show um this past month in September uh we're planning to go to the Orlando show

at the beginning of November um so like there are things like that where we will

we'll go to shows and walk around and talk to people have meetings um but not

full setup so those shows are my favorite because I get to actually experience the show floor uh versus when

we have booths and set up uh I'm pretty much stuck at the booth uh and if I want

to see someone I better message them and tell them to come find me yes you know

we're talking about the grind and and and the work and effort that goes into pulling all this together right um and

you guys do a great job like you said you you gave your team credit which again uh illustrates the kind of folks

both of you are time for a quick break but we'll be right back

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back how has like this rise you know through the hobby like we you were card

collectors before all this too um and we're all here on the show as we collect

cards how has it changed sort of how you hobby I imagine it has I mean even I

don't do nearly as much as you guys do but even the content creation has cut

into the time that I can click on a selling platform and try to find a card

or buy something or go to a show that I'm not set up at and try to get cards at talk about the diff you know how it's

changed how you've H how you Hobby and collect You' me kind of just like like working in the industry how that has had

an impact yeah just you know you you know with card ladder and and content

creation you got to put the time in it at it obviously it's like a pie right Chris yes you can't make it necessarily

bigger you just have to a lot well how many slices and who gets you know what what gets what slice that more or less

along those lines yeah that's a good question one of the things that got sliced right away was how much time we

put into preparing for podcasts so back when we were doing the house of Jordan's

podcast which like we had to stop when we started doing card ladder especially at that time when we were like all over

the place you know I was supposed to be studying for the bar Christina was working another job and then we were

trying to start this company too and but uh you know we just didn't have time but

so one of the things we did was like for the for the house of Jordan's podcast I mean we would have like a 10 to 15 page

scre ripped just full of notes and research that we would consult and you know the time to be able to do that just

went away like the time spent the mental effort spent like researching and preparing had to go into building and

researching for the business so what we did is a pretty good hack I think all at

the end of the day for Content so we could keep like a weekly piece of content coming out I just started uh

putting out a call for questions um so that started on Instagram about four and a half years ago uh Josh

and I and Christina started doing like a live show and we would just go live late on Friday night and but all day during

Friday I'd put a call for questions on Instagram you know to anybody who sees this if you have topics if you what

what's on your mind as a collector what are things that are bothering you what are things that you're happy about what's a sports card topic that you'd

like to hear discussed a little bit and people would just flood them in and they do now now they do the work for the show

you know now now my time preparing for a podcast is just limited to about I I have to take about an hour right before

the show starts I just have to collect all the topics and the question just collect them put them all into a

document and then just kind of go into the show and read but in in your credit too Chris and Christina and Josh I know

he's not on screen but it's easy but it's also interactive right it's making

people part of the show yes and it's something I don't do I think I do a little bit of it not on anywhere on that

level that you just talked about I can there's definitely more of a ceiling even for for me to do that I do a Q&A

with with um with hobby quick hits but it's not live so I like just hit record

whenever I want to record the episode take those questions like you mentioned and do it and I think let's be real it's

easier to do a tape segment than to do a live segment right because if I don't like something or oh let me take two on

that one right when you're doing it live like any show that's live there is no take two everyone sees it you can't you

know so you know feather in your hat right is being interactive um whether

it's to make it doing the show easy or not it's also making people more involved in the show and feel part of

the show and that's that's a good thing and and something I try to do a little bit more of I definitely have a a ways

to go and uh I do it when I do it on a Q&A with with hobby quick hits I'm not

doing it live so it's the degree of difficulty goes down even with with what

I do but I wanted to to throw that in there and you know give me some proper credit there but go ahead yeah no it's

true it is true I the the pressure is higher when you're doing it live and you you know inevitably when you do things

live you'll say something stupid I mean I've done it a million times so you just kind of hope you know well we'll just roll with the punches here but you know

I I would like ideally I'd like to be more in a Content space like how you approach it which is you bring in guests

you have segments that get thought I'm sure you're thinking about him throughout the week as you're sort of crafting your show and ideas are coming

to you I have to write them down Chris because at my age if I don't write it down yeah it's gone like and it might

never ever come back so I'm a notes guy I'm more of a notes guy as an older

person than when I was younger sure so now yeah now I have to like I write I

write stuff down that I'm like I wrote that down I'm like yeah because I need to otherwise it's going to be lost for

either a while or or potentially forever so uh you know I always have to people

say what are you writing down and I'm like something I don't so I don't forget yeah but yeah yeah no I have I do this

I'm taking notes as we're talking right now just in case you say Something Christina says something I want to go back to it I literally am I'm writing

stuff down right now so because that's just it's it's a it's a great you know it's a great shortcut to yeah you know

freeze your brain it's a great tool it's a great tool like you don't have like people say oh you know you're writing it

you don't have to AO like people sometimes it comes across as like oh you need to write it down I want to write it

down I don't need to write it down like I want to write it down you know maybe there's a little need for me that might

you know with the memory and stuff when you get in your 50s so but uh no I think

it's good attention to it's all that intention to detail you want to be thorough make sure you don't miss

something right again I think that speaks to the person and the work ethic and all that all that stuff so you know

uh but uh how about collecting wise like has it changed sort of you know how you

look at what interests you or not not not necessarily I I think that um there

are Avenues where it's like what we do and how Focus in we are and learning new

products um constantly has helped to navigate some areas that I may not have

traversed there myself as a collector um and then it's also like you mentioned

like you don't always have the time to go on some all the marketplace platforms to check for cards so uh I have had that

problem as well and luckily people surprisingly like me I guess uh where

they will tell me when a card that they think I'll be interested in yes I'm

surprised when people do this um well like they'll be like hey I just saw this card that someone pulled on a break uh

of this no-name player that I know you collect um and then I'll go message that

person immediately and and you know be able to swipe that card up um quick and

then you know there are the downfalls of publicly collecting a player or someone

though as well where someone may know that you collect this so they will then

charge you you know five times what they paid for it when they picked it up for

the purpose of selling it to you so um which I've had happen a couple times to

me as well where it's like well if I want this card this is what their price is because they may be picked it up for

$200 but they're okay with sitting on it until I'm super desperate and I'm

willing to pay to get it into my PC it's a d it's a double-edged sword it's a

double yeah it definitely is um but you know the like you said earlier like we

said earlier the people who are looking out for you far outweigh the people who

will take advantage of you um so like I get a lot of DMS from amazing people who

help me with my collection um and I'm always grateful to them like for example

I had a so I'm collecting a 2020 prism rainbow of Maxi Clea I had two cards

that I needed left the fast break bronze out of 20 and the neon green out of five

someone messaged me he was a 16-year-old kid from Australia who said he was in

his hobby shop when another kid pulled the bronze out of 20 and he was like I

got his contact information for you I gave him your contact information like here is the details like I saw this card

be pulled in shop and I immediately thought of VI like how like how if I

wasn't active and like like super vocal about this uh prism rainbow how would I

have gotten that card right like it wouldn't it would have been like the kid would have been like oh out of 20 cool

but who's going to collect this guy like he doesn't start for the Mavericks he was undrafted it's he's in his fourth

year um playing basketball like no one wants this card but because this person

listens to the crossover this kid knew I wanted that card so um he quickly put me

in contact with this other guy and I was able to secure it for my collection

which now that I already brought it up let me just make a public announcement to all of your followers John I am one

card away from the 2020 prism rainbow of Maxi CBA I am missing the fast break

neon green out of five if anyone has any leads on this card which is never sold

publicly and I've been watching for four years now um please contact me at

Christina PC on Instagram one word k r i s t i n a s PC on Instagram on Twitter

please contact me I am dying to finish this rainbow um I've talked to Panini

many times at shows and they guarantee that this uh this one card has made it

into packs and they don't know where it is either so if anyone could help me finish this rainbow there are 46

parallels in the 2020 prism product I have 45 of them and I just need this

last neon green out of five okay I'm done let's go folks help Christina out

be fair don't price scouch just think of an honor you get to be the person that finishes that rainbow it's like an

assist right you get this she gets the slam dunet and you get the Aly upit uh

to her and that that that would be an awesome that's a great story too with the the kid in Australia right that's

going back to the the hobby becomes a smaller place even though Australia

right this is a hobby is a a worldwide thing like even you know call the show like sports card Nation like it's more

than it's the its world right and and there's a perfect example all the way

from Australia and it wasn't even the person that pulled the card he just happened to witness it and that one

thing led to another and you you added that card uh in in that hunt to to

complete that that Journey that that's the that's the Beautiful Stories that sometimes we don't talk about enough or

think about uh even uh enough so we got to get that last we got to get you

someone out there either has the card know someone has the card maybe this

hasn't been pulled yet and it gets pulled and they remember this but uh you know uh let's get the let's get the last

car but that's you know that's the that's a great story to kind of to kind of close on too because uh that's the

the beautiful things you know about the hobby is the community even with me I'll make this story short you know I was on

the hunt for a Tom Seer rookie and in Cleveland I was actually in Hunt Fort the year before but he had just passed

away they did a statue at City Field so the prices were a little bit higher and

the cops are a little bit higher than I wanted to go for it that kind of calmed down and so but a lot of people knew I

was looking for that card so I was getting DMS or text John it's at this

table it's a PSA this and it's this much and and like just I just thinking man

people are taking time out of their day they're at the national right you know the greatest uh show uh in in the Hobby

and they're stopping and texting or DM me thinking about me right or even whether that takes 10 seconds or two

minutes the fact that anyone cares enough about you or thinks enough about you to do that really it even hits home

more than acquiring the card is that somebody you know cares enough about you

to help you out and I've done you know it's reciprocal I've done that and I'm sure you you have as well done that and

that's that's the good that's the you know the Hobbies of people what the tagline of the show for for so long now

and it just it really kind of rings true and uh it's the beautiful part of Hobby

and it's why we enjoy it even though it can be a grind sometimes it's why we're still here still going and having fun uh

with it so I I always give the guest and guest the kind of the final word give

out any social medias website anything you want to share with people uh I know

you gave out your email so you can get your last uh Clea card but uh even for

card ladder the crossover giveout any of that stuff you you want to share as well

Christina oh I I I was waiting for you sorry no go ahead I could yeah well

you're better at remembering all the socials uh yeah contact us on social uh card ladder one word um on Tik Tok

Twitter SLX uh Instagram um you can reach us at contact card ladder.com um

I'll answer myself or Josh um will answer all of your messages um you'll

talk to us like that's one thing we pride ourselves on is that when you reach out you talk to us and we can

solve the problem or try our hardest before we tag the other one in um uh

yeah uh my Instagram and Twitter SLX is Christina's PC one word k r i s t i n a

s PC um crossovers are Friday nights we're about to switch the times because

um daylight savings is coming up so look out for that you can reach Chris at

Chris HJ um Josh is at cardboard Chronicles uh

Nick is at stiff arm wax like um you can reach us at card ladder as well yeah

just feel free to reach out um we're always we're always reactive to messages

yeah and you did a great like remembering all those handles and and like that's that's great Chris wasn't

kidding when he said that well let's get listen in the very

least let's get let's get Christina that last card and and put a bow tie on on

that thing and uh that would be a really cool and obviously another great hobby

story to add uh to the collection uh as well well I I say this all the time uh

with with you guys Chris Christina keep up the great work I know the work that

goes into it you know we use the word work sometimes we throw that around too easily but not not in your case you guys

are really uh you know putting in the effort uh all with a smile on your face I Pro if I even I couldn't do what you

do but if I did I probably would be a lot grumpier than than you are let's put it that way uh so you do and every time

like I said I've seen you at the shows whether it be the national or somewhere else um you're always Pleasant and both

of you and uh that's not it's not as easy to do as people people think it is

and so uh I want to I want to you know give you give you Kudos there so uh keep

it up we'll have you back I don't I don't remember it's been I think it's been over a year since you you're on

maybe close to two years well let's do it a little bit next time you come back we'll we we won't wait as so uh but

thanks thanks John yeah thanks for having us John and anytime you want to talk to us you know that we will make it

happen it's been an honor to come back yeah I appre I appreciate it thank you

always fun catching up with Chris and Christina been too long before between the last time I had them on and having

them on for these past two episodes so my promise to them is not to have that

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say traveling uh the country at shows uh doing the stuff they do for card ladder

and uh so glad they made some time for us here on sports card Nation uh we're

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