Ep.299 w.Graig Miller of Midlife Cards

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Nation what is up everybody Welcome to episode 299 of sports card Nation you know it's

crazy even me saying it when you think this is a a once a week show we're on

episode 299 as we approach year six of the show which is still SC I still

scratch my head over that uh but uh here we are and uh still going strong still

doing very well thanks to you out there I know I I say it all the time but I'll

say it again you know there is no show without uh you folks out there and uh uh

I appreciate it and a day goes by that uh I don't realize that so thank you uh

I got a great guest another gentleman I should have had on I know I say it all the time uh sooner uh but glad to have

him on and that's uh Mr Craig Miller you might not you might know him better as

midlife cards on YouTube and uh he puts on a great show uh on his YouTube speaks

from his heart calls it like he sees it whether you agree or disagree although I find myself agreeing more than

disagreeing and uh great content uh very interactive probably one of the most

interactive uh shows uh out there so really appreciate that about him and

we're going to we're going to chop up a lot of hobby topics a lot of a lot of ground we cover I got to meet him in

person uh recently at the national in Cleveland which was was cool got to talk to him there and said hey let's let's

get you on an episode and and here we are uh today so enough of me blabbing

let's uh let's take a quick 30 second break and then we'll be back with Craig Miller hobby hotline is the Hobby's only

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hotline all right real excited to have the next Gentleman on the sports card shop guest line I met him for the first

time at the national uh in Cleveland but I've I've seen his stuff and have

watched his show uh prior to that but that as far as meeting in person that was the first time and a mutual admirer

of of both of our content said John like why isn't Greg been on your show and so

I'm ending that drought uh today and uh welcome Greg Miller from midlife uh

sports cards thanks for having me I'm excited I've I've watched many of your different channels for a while and uh

I'm excited to come on and get to talk some more after we got to have that first chat in Cleveland yeah no doubt

and that's my bad for it taking uh this long and and whatnot you know I'm getting older and uh you know I walk in

a room for to do something Greg and then I forget like why did I come in here so

that's that's where that's where I'm at so that I don't know if that's much of a defense but there there you go but uh uh

you know you you you've done YouTube about a year like your channel has just been tremendous in in terms of content

and and growth and and we're gonna definitely talk about that but it's the old standby starting first time on the

show question kind of your entrance into the hobby uh many years ago and kind of

where you how it's come full circle and where you are today yeah so you know when I was a kid uh every every Friday I

would get a dollar allowance from my dad and we would on the way home from school

uh he'd pick us up on Fridays my brother and myself and we would head home and on the way we'd stop at 7-Eleven and

usually we'd spend our dollar for the week uh at 7-Eleven and and this was

about 1986 1987 and so uh what started happening is

I started buying garbage pale kids and then 87 tops cards packs and at the time

there were a quarter sh by four of them and then I'd go home and I started collecting them that that's really where

the cards started and then and um we were at my brother uh needed a new bike

and so we were garage sailing one Saturday looking for a bike for my

brother and next thing you know uh I found this this house and they had a

binder for sports cards and uh had pages in it and it had a few 86 tops cards in

it nothing special and I was just like oh my gosh it's a place to put my cards

and at that point I kind of could formally collect and so I started to put

my cards when I'd get my packs into uh the binder and the pages and then fast

forward to about uh 1988 when card shop started popping up all over and uh I was driving running an

errand with my mom we looked over and I saw this thing it said cards and cards was the name of the card shop and it

said sports cards and I begged her to go in we went in and I made many many

bicycle trips down to cards and cards uh for the next few years and then

eventually so it's really my brother and I and then eventually what happened is uh we got my dad into cards because we

were going to card shows we started getting in the backs of beckets it would say you know all the different shows for

the month and we would know the locations that was our only source of information for them so we'd go to them

and my dad would bring us and eventually he was like I I I I I mean I remember

seeing him I remember the moment I was walking across the card show down an aisle it was a big card show in San

Francisco several hundred tables and he's walking toward me with this big smile on his face and he had he had put

together over that day the 1960 tops yankee team set including the mantle um

and I was like why 1960 goes that's one of the sets I collected as a kid and so he was hooked and then the journey

really took off because now it was not just him driving my brother and me uh it was the three of us kind of started the

journey together um and then you know I kind of I continued to dabble we continued to go to the big shows San

Francisco used to have a massive show Labor Day weekend every year uh there's a fashion district some huge buildings

there the national actually was there one year we actually attended that Moscone Center downtown San Francisco

and and uh we just kind of West Coast went everywhere and then when I got into

college I still was collecting but I had so many things going on so I started getting more into ticket stubs and I

started getting into golf cards so I was doing a lot of 81 82 uh golf cart sets

and I was collecting a lot of Olympic ticket stubs and then uh you know I

continued to check eBay along the way uh you know I would always check the what

the Ernie Banks rookie card was going for what the yogi Bara rookie card was going for um but I wasn't buying because

you know we had a single income I was working we had two two daughters and so I wasn't really buying and then over the

last few years you know as my wife started working again and money got a

little bit Freer and my kids got older I'm like I need to get a hobby back and I need to really get into something and

so the age of my kids and myself and our income it all kind of worked and here I

am that's awesome and and I love the family bonds right like with your brother your dad rekindling it for him

like he said he collected as a kid here he is he's back and like you said you could you you knew just by looking at

him you had that uh you know the cat the cat swallowed I I I'll call it the cat

swallowed the canary uh kind of grin and and yeah you know I love that stor is

because I think for especially people around our age Craig and and maybe a

little bit younger or definitely older there was always someone else that kind of got us the the itch or the bug right

for me it was my grandfather and my dad uh and then my dad stopped and a similar

story to you when I started really getting heavy into it again he started

picking up uh some stuff again and and you know cuz uh all his stuff uh like

The Story Goes uh bike Spokes and throwing them against the wall and and trading them so he got he picked up some

uh he's you know we're we're from Brooklyn so uh he went went to Brooklyn Dodgers route and um but it's always

those those common threads right those family threads that uh uh you know

whether it's Nostalgia or sentimental I just love hearing that because it for a lot of us it rings it rings close to

home um maybe not as much in current times but I'm sure I'm it still does too

even no matter what area you're in there there's those similar uh stories uh as

well uh you know I saw an episode where you had your dad uh on and you were

looking through you know a binder and he was talking about you know some of the backstory behind the cards and then

finding that card again you know not the actual well in one case it was the actual card in the card store um you

know just you can't put a price on on stuff like that like you've had a lot of

guests on your show as I I have but it's it's those kind of moments right you

just you can't that's not scripted you can't make that stuff up that's yeah that's true reality hobby TV if you will

and you know even watching that it like just relating to it myself with my with

my dad and and that sort of thing I mean got it's got to be cool for you what you

know doing doing an episode like that let's it absolutely is and you know um I

was actually believe it or not I was listening to a a Howard Stern episode

several years ago and Howard Stern was talking about how he hired a full like

camera crew and producer and stuff to come and film him talking with his

parents because he knew that his parents you know we're none of us are going to last forever and he wanted to capture

that conversation with his parents about different stories and their backgrounds and you know and and that's one of the

reasons I wanted to have my dad on a few times and I'll keep having him on um you

know but it's because I get to capture and I have that now forever it's a time capsule and it's there and I I can

always go back and watch it and you know he came with me to the National in Cleveland he was there he made some big

big purchases you know a lot of uh a lot of my circle of buddies know him and and

you know we're excited to meet him as well and so uh it is definitely was a very memorable event to be able to go to

Cleveland with him and uh he said to me just the other day he goes yeah I mean

next year in Chicago we'll have to make sure we do this and I was like oh I guess we're going to Chicago together

again you know so he definitely uh he definitely has the and he's got he's got

a pretty I mean he's got a really nice collection so it's it's a it's something fun for us to share for sure yeah no

doubt uh I I love hearing that and uh speaking of we'll segue into you you

know talking about Cleveland Inter National it going to be in Chicago the next three years so your dad could say

Chicago Chicago Chicago um kind of your thoughts uh you know you don't have to

necessarily Deep dive it but uh now that it's in the books and and wrapped up your thoughts Cleveland overall I've

heard other people say Greg that they that they feel Cleveland's outgrown it I

know traffic was an issue I didn't feel like indoors in the building itself it wasn't like we were packed in there like

sardines so I don't it might be the the the traffic issue but I mean Cleveland's

a great Sports Town not don't have a a rich history of championships but it's still a great Sports Town I'd like to

you know I'm a little biased too because I can drive to Cleveland but I I I hope it gets back there again but kind of now

that it's in the books your your assessment of of the national in Cleveland well I think that you know I

think that they did a good job um I mean it's it's a big facility it it uh it's

obviously not the biggest in the country but it's a very big facility and I felt like it was fairly organized were there

long lines when I got my badge the first day of course was there long lines getting out uh the first night of

especially yes but you know it's just like when I you know drive to San Francisco and go to a Giants game or

Santa clar and go to a 49er game it's just kind of part of the deal um I felt

like there weren't a lot of like hiccups it wasn't people talking about oh I ordered my tickets and I didn't get them

or they didn't open on time or you know the the the complaints that we had were

kind of minor I mean when we have tens of thousands of people in the same location of course the Wi-Fi and the

internet's not going to be that good especially when it's indoors in a big old building like that like that's just

part of it um my main issue or my my main feeling is that the national really

the number one thing is the accessibility for people and it's really easy to fly into a town like Chicago

Chicago's got a big airport it's a hub it's easy to fly there from anywhere um

the hotels are across the street so you know there were times where I know

people were a little concerned uh going in and out of the area with as much cash as they had on them or the cards that

they had on them because you know you're not right at your hotel which provides some sense of security but Chicago you

don't have that concern um Cleveland's a little bit more spread out the hotels

aren't all right there so you kind of had to drive in which is part of the reason for all the car traffic

so I thought that the show was great I thought that the layout where they put

the you know the corporate boots kind of together in this section and the autographs in this section and there was

really the main thoroughfare for the the cards and and I I had a great time I

mean and I know people were upset because that you know they didn't have the aisles where you could just walk

this aisle and then walk this way back they had kind of had it in squares but that maximizes the Sur surface area of

the space and it also provides a way for you you getting lost isn't good

necessarily for you but it kind of is for uh you know the the dealers because it it forces you through areas you maybe

wouldn't have so overall honestly I I thought it was great uh and I I I know

there were complaints and sure there are things I could complaint about but um I had a great time that said I am looking

forward to Chicago because it's a little closer for me I can fly from Sacramento

to Chicago instead of having to go to San Francisco to get a direct flight you

know um I I know it needs to be kind of at least Midwest to East Coast because

that's where the majority of the dealers are located if you do it in Las Vegas if you do it in LA there are a lot of

people who aren't going to come because they have to go across the country it's the same reason I don't really feel like

it should be in Atlanta it's like Atlanta's on a coast it's it's it's a

long route for a lot of people it's not near the dealers that just they might

have the uh infrastructure to do it but I don't think that that's the way to

make it accessible and and I think you know Denver would be a decent option but

I think Chicago is just kind of like it makes the most sense it it's it's great

for a lot of reasons and you know people talk about well you know uh it's

nobody's big enough now or it's getting everything is going to be outgrown and I think there are ways around that you

know you could make it instead of five days or something you could make it you know eight or nine you know you could do

seven or eight there are some things that they could do um to expand that

part of it but honestly I thought it was great and uh I'll be back at the Cleveland Airport in April to go to

Strongville so they haven't seen the last of me for a while there you go I I I agree for the most part almost across

the board um you know and and you know how this goes Greg people some people are just going to complain they're gonna

find something you could pull off the perfect game National right they're gonna find one one thing to to nitpick

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collecting we are back the one thing I won't give the

national a pass on is the Wi-Fi because you kind of know that you know I've been to other large events that are of

similar ilk and Wi-Fi wasn't an issue you know how many dealers are said up you know how many Breakers are setting

up you have an approximate number of how many people are going to be walking through the doors it's not an exact

science but you you gotta sort of and you have a year not a whole year but you have you know let's say nine 10 months

to sort of prepare for that so I won't give him a pass on the Wi-Fi the traffic

you know you're you're you you're you're held hostage by the city situation it it

was an issue with hotels not being real close to Cleveland that's because the buildings in sort of a industrial center

that building was was built during the the the co you know the war days when that was kind of a bomb shelter they

built tanks in that building yeah yeah it's a tank manufacturing plant it's a

product of the environment I I'd like to see just in maybe they can put some hotels around there's land there they

can maybe put some some development some hotels in there uh in the future um but

like you I thought it went uh pretty smooth you got a new leadership group is their first four they're not new to

shows but this was their first national so I'm giving them a little bit I don't want to say a pass but I'm giving them a

little bit of a grading curve uh some education speak there you know so I

don't I don't have too many uh many any complaints at all I'll just Hammer them on the Wi-Fi a little bit more sure than

than you did um the food trucks were great I'm I'm not a lunch eater when I

do go to Nashville I talked about I just do like granola bars and beef jerky and water and then I make up for that at

dinner time so I it's all smelled good like I was almost tempted to break my rule I thought that was a nice touch

because for dealers who have to eat there every day um it's it had different

choices it didn't wasn't didn't have to be pizza every day um they could have pizza I saw Gyros I saw Taco so there

was a the menu was was kind of eclectic which was good for people who were eating um on site first time I've ever

heard go ahead I I personally I never even planned on eating there I I I

literally did exactly what you said like exactly I bought brought in I before I left home in Sacramento I packed my

backpack with a bunch of Cliff Bars a bunch of beef jerky I had Advil with me

because I knew I'd probably be in some pain like I I 100% uh was never planning on buying a

burger or a slice of pizza or anything so when people were complaining about that I'm kind of like what did you think

was gonna be like of course it's G to be expensive and there's going to be long lines because there's a bunch of guys

there who like to eat you know I I think I bought a couple of a beer on Wednesday

and a beer on Thursday and that was pretty much that was pretty much the extent of what I bought there so yeah

there was a lot of beer sales like there's a couple people Greg uh I didn't know him but I'm I I I saw him with a

lot of beer in their hands consistently I'm like are you here for are you here at the bar or are you here for for some

sports cards I really started to one I really started to to question I I'm half

kidding and then I'm also half you brought up something I really kind of like it I've never heard anyone else say

it I want I want to ask you about that but before I do I want to I want to tell you probably the stuff you've heard and

the stuff I've heard right because of how big the Hobby's got how big the Nationals got right I've heard talk of

having two Nationals a year rather than one I'm not for speaking for myself and

then I'll I'll get your two set I don't want to see two Nationals I think it will lose some of the luster if you have

two you know there's one Super Bowl year there's one World Series uh a year you

know even if it's busy because there's only one I I really only want to be one National but what you said a light bulb

went and I love the idea I i' signed that ped petition yesterday you know

maybe make the national eight nine 10 days like you said you don't that doesn't mean you have to go for all 10

days people obviously dealers would uh but that's their that's their livelihood and their business so that's a that's a

whole different animal but you know maybe I would pick four or five days I'm going these four or five days someone

else would pick a different maybe potentially four or five days and maybe you'd have more people but it wouldn't

seem like that because it would be there at different times I've never heard that before when you when listening to you

say that I'm like that I love that I I let me go even further further with that

like it falls on my birthday every year and it has for 25 years when you know

when my dad got so into the hobby that he was going to when I was in college he

was going to the National in Atlantic City in Cleveland and la and Chicago

with without me and he would call me each night and tell me how the show went and we'd talk about it and he would

always say are you sure it's okay that I miss your birthday this year and I'm like yes it's fine you know I'm an adult

it's it's all good you know and my buddy mooki you know you know mookie you we we

sat and talked in the aisle it mook's anniversary is uh during the national

and he's like man this is like my one chance my one you know opportunity to do

this see the reason that two Nationals don't work is is the thing about the national is

it's not just about the cards the cards are on eBay every night they're on Rea they're on Golden it's about it's a it's

a reunion with all of your friends who share the Hobby and so if you do too it's like it's like having a high school

reunion and going okay well this year it's or this weekend it's a through M

and then the next weekend it's n through Z and you're like but half the people are over there but if you do it over

eight nine days you could coordinate with your core Circle and say what days are you going hey can we do it these

days and you can make sure that there's overlap that you get to see your key guys but if if you have this thing

that's two different ones to me it it isn't it it's it's not the same thing it

would absolutely lose the luster and I would be way less likely to attend

because I would only be going to the one that half of my pals were going to yeah that's a great Point uh we're both

waving the same penet here great I don't want to see too I love your idea of just

making it longer it doesn't mean you have you don't have to go you buy passes

you buy tickets for the days you want to go and and they can even gauge with those ticket sales like what days might

be more people there than another one let's say um I don't I think there'll be

more people if they did know someone say well less people will go because they can't go for the whole time we don't

have to go for the whole time that's the beauty of it if you can't yeah go ahead

they're turning away dealers right they're turning away dealers and all the modern collectors were mad this year

because a lot of the dealers that get turned away are the newer dealers and the newer dealers are a lot of the modern dealers and so a lot of

collectors were mad that it seemed like there was more vintage and that's because they turned away dealers what if

they had it where it was you know eight nine days or even call it 10 days and

the first five days be the Vintage days and the next five days be the modern

days and then you can have the dealers that do both do all 10 or you could have

more booths for the first five and people say oh but the setup wouldn't work because people have to load in and

load out you could have some sort of flex day in the middle or you could do something where you just make it more

accessible so that everyone can go at the time that they want and I mean it

just seems it seems too obvious it's like you know you go to Disneyland and

in the summertime it's open till midnight because it's jammed in the summertime and during the holidays it's

open till midnight but if you go there in October it closes at like eight o'clock because it's not jammed you

don't need more hours to get through the park because there are less people so it

it seems like it's just a release valve that you could open and shut and and find The Sweet Spot of it and it it just

it just makes too much sense to me it does I'm on board I'll I'm right behind you when we marched to the capital no it

makes sense and I definitely don't want to see two like you I I I think you hit the nail on the head the bloom comes off

the rose a little bit I think what it winds up happening is both shows if they ever went to T that both shows actually

get watered down in that process I rather have one big one even if some people complain about something or other

it is what it is then you don't have to go right we make a choice to go like you said you go to an NFL game a 49 you know

like hey I'm going to be in the parking lot probably an hour to two hours after the game trying to get out like that's I

kind of sign up for I kind of sign up for this you know when I go I'm a Steelers fan so when I go to it's Zer

Stadium I still say hind field when I go to the stadium I know it's going to be probably an hour before I get on the the

main Highway and get rolling again that's just par for the course so my daughters went to a Giants game

yesterday with my brother and you know preseason no less well no the giant

Giants baseball Giants San Francisco oh okay okay and so but but when they the game started at 1 and you know the game

ended at like 4 and my wife and I looked at each other and said well they'll probably get home at about eight because

they're gonna stop and eat it's gonna be a drive and it's gonna be a lot of traffic I mean it's just it's just it's

not a surprise yeah yeah and and listen if you do this long enough it shouldn't be you should know uh the other thing

I'm going to stick up for the West Coast here I know you you said you're fine if you don't get it and but you like

Chicago I'm a fairness guy I'm an East Coast guy um we're kind of spoiled you

know we I don't know if we'll get it in Atlantic City again uh Cleveland's driver B Chicago's not but it's l at

least midpoint if you will I I think you should have a West Coast National whether that's in the in the form of

Seattle northwest you know Anaheim San Francisco uh uh you know Las Vegas you

mentioned but I I think in In fairness to collectors right that why should you

guys have to travel the furthest every year maybe not you know I I'll say this maybe not have it in an exact rotation

where it's West Coast mid you know Midwest and then East like exactly like

that but I think there should be a West Coast National for the folks and collectors and hobbyists out that way I

I I I if I liveed there I'd want that you you well obviously part of me would

like it just because of the ease and accessibility and and we really only have one big show on the west coast now

which is the Burbank show and even even that's a seven hour drive for me because it's not actually in Burbank it's far

it's an hour south of Burbank but when I when I think about it I again for me I

just want to compromise it's like when you're setting the time for dinner on Thanksgiving with the whole family and

you're trying to find a time that works for everyone I just want to find a place that works for everyone so that everybody can attend and be happy and if

we're not doing it where everyone can attend and be happy you know if we did it in LA it would be better for me but a

lot of my East Coast buddies probably wouldn't be able to make it and so I would rather travel travel to Denver

which is you know westish and then it's a little bit further from them but it's

a little bit you know from me but it's a hub in the Middle where we can all kind to get to it Denver I don't know what

they have as far as facilities but they've got a huge airport and it's it's

kind of close to everything you know it's a it's a three-hour flight for everyone and and that one is is a place

I wish that they would consider but they must not have a Convention Center that can handle it um otherwise it just seems

too obvious to me yeah no I'm there's you know it's I guess it's easy to say hey have it here have it there there's

more I've had Ray on the show uh you got Hotel issues and a lot of other

logistics we can make this a mobster show and talk about the union um I'm not

well that's that's the union is part of it though it's part of the deal yeah so

but I'd like you know and I would get there it might cost me a little a few extra shekels but i' I'd come to C I've

never been to California so it's a good reason for the first time ever uh but you know when fair I I try to be fair to

to everyone right it's easy for me to say hey be in Atlantic City every year I can drive be in Cleveland every year I

can drive be in New York City it's my hometown I can drive but you know I try to think of the big picture and like I

If I'd like to see it now how often I don't I don't know it's not for me to say but I I think it's fair there's

plenty you know I hear well well the Buca collectors are on the East Coast like what do we doing weighing people

maybe the heavier people are on the East Coast but I think there's there's millions of people on both coasts who

are in The Hobby So In fairness with that being said like I I I I'm not AO

I'd love to see it on the West Coast um might cost a little bit more for me but

what are you gonna do that's that's that's life right so well and choice right go or you can't go like that's it

it has been right it's been in La you know anaheim's got a a big Convention Center that's where one of the Burbank

shows is um I think it's the August one is is in Anaheim right across the street

from Disneyland obviously has the airports and the and the hotels and and it San Francisco has hosted it you know

it's been a long time but so they have had it it but my understanding is now

they pull the dealers and the dealers are the ones that decide the every other year and so they're going to probably

pick what's going to be most convenient for them and but you know it is what it is all right staying along those lines

this was a question I I don't write a ton of stuff down I I'm more of a conversation with but uh it's a good

segue we're seeing uh you're you're aware of this we're seeing a lot more shows pop up in smaller towns and

smaller venues that have never even had a card show before and while I'm I

support that I think it's great uh that those communities can get those shows we're also seeing a lot more Regional a

lot more bigger city shows where there's just a plethora shows and I I'm I'm a dealer too like I set up at

shows and I'm a consumer I go to shows so I wear both of those hats I I don't

want to say fear that might be too strong a word but one of my concerns is like we we might get to a saturation

Point Greg where we have too many shows and again talking about Bloom coming off the rose right is sometimes too much of

a good thing is is a bad thing is what are your thoughts on maybe you know an

oversaturation of shows well I think that you know in the late 80s early 90s

there were card shops po popping up all over the place you know I mentioned the first one that uh that I was going to is

called cards and cards well a few months later uh a shop opened across the street

from them called The Boys of Summer and then there's a card shop literally a quarter of a mile down the road called

timeout sports cards and there was absolutely an oversaturation but I also

believe I'm kind of an economist by heart I love economics I took economics

electives in college because I like it so much I believe in the free market and the free market will find The Sweet Spot

and if too many shows pop up what will happen is they'll cannibalize each other

and they won't make money and then those those shows will go away and they'll pop

up to they it'll find The Sweet Spot it'll find the equilibrium of what the

right amount is and I think that yeah right now there are probably some people that are trying to capitalize and maybe

put on a few too many shows in some areas some people are saying what are you talking about I can't find a show

anywhere but a lot of places it's getting a little carried away and it'll find The Sweet Spot and so I I kind of

don't really overthink that and just say uh whatever the right amount is is where

we'll land and right now uh there are probably some people that are are doing

some shows promoting and not doing super well and others are doing great and uh

it'll work itself out yeah that's a good way to look at it and I I you know you you convince me right the the strongest

will like the saying what strongest will survive I just I guess a from a Sentimental point I'm trying to save

everybody but you know how that goes you can't you can't here's the other thing I'll throw out there too though is

competition I also believe is good and so if there are a lot of shows popping

up it forces each show to be better it forces the prices down for the entrance

or if it's too much people will say I'll just wait for the one next weekend you know it forces them to really advertise

to the the the good dealers and get the good stuff in the room and a facility

that's nice not an old gym with no AC and bad tables and so I I think that the

competition is good for us as collector so I don't think I'm going to be a

person that's going to complain about too many shows because the the competition is going to make the shows

that do make it out on the other end better shows which is good for us as collectors yeah you convinced me I'm not

as worried like you said it's it'll it'll sh it'll all shake out uh in the end one way uh one way or the other uh

you we talk going back to Nashville I also too like the layout you had the you know if you didn't if you had no

interest in Breaking you could avoid that area almost alog together if you didn't want to deal with the corporate

presence you could avoid that uh as well I hope that is something the new powers

that be uh kind of keep that layout uh in Chicago uh I got a feeling uh they're

gonna uh we we we'll see how that goes all right awesome getting to yeah Greg

on the show for the first time chopping up some hobby with him and here's the best part hope you enjoyed it but the

best part is we're not done that was part one part two will be next week so

got a cover a lot of ground one of about my longer interviews uh since I start

doing two-part uh episodes uh and uh uh just

had a blast talking to him we we weren't watching time and so uh we're going to put this uh the rest of it uh come back

uh next Friday and catch it uh in its conclusion tion so thanks to Greg uh

thanks to you uh we're going to go to our Hobbies the people announcer of the week some closing thoughts and wrap up

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