Ep.297 w/ Clint Anderson of Zion Cases

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SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody, welcome to episode... 297?

SPEAKER 1: Back again. Hope everyone is doing Well, got a great guest on today, gentlemen. I've met him numerous times. I really got to talk to him.

SPEAKER 1: Quite a bit at the Cleveland National in anticipation of having him on the show. And he's built. A company into a verb and you'll You'll hear us talk about that, but Zion Case is Clint Anderson, and they're the premier case. Maker in the hobby. To the fact that We call almost any case now. Thank A Zion Case. And so.

SPEAKER 1: Happy to have him.

SPEAKER 1: On the show today we're going to talk about you know, the grind. He's going all over the country.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know. Is wanted all over the country and can't be. Sometimes two places at the one time but we're gonna Want to chop up. How he built his company. We're going to chop up some hobby.

SPEAKER 1: As well. So. I'm going to take a quick 30-second break. And then bring on Clint Anderson from Zion Cases.

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SPEAKER 1: Real excited to talk to my next guest on the Sports Card Shop. Guest line, he's... Started a company. It's not new now, but it's become.

SPEAKER 1: I'm going to talk to him about, but it's become a verb. And it's always a good thing. When your company becomes a verb but he's also a collector as well we're gonna We're going to dive into. To that as well. Happy to have Clint Anderson from Zion Cases. Welcome.

SPEAKER 3: Hey, thank you. I appreciate it, John.

SPEAKER 1: All right. So. Let's start off with like kind of. Where it all began for you as far as your entrance. Into the hobby as a collector.

SPEAKER 3: Okay yeah i mean like a lot of a lot of people my age in my younger 40s Y'All grew up. In this Now the the. Late 80s to early 90s era where... You know, there was a lot of collecting and I'm. Yo just south of Chicago. So. Michael Jordan was obviously very, very big at that time. Which I think...

SPEAKER 3: Spawn some of of it for me just in that area, just because he was. It was easy, right? You wanted to collect somebody or... Be involved in some sort of sports, you know, aspect of things. Collecting sports cards. And a baseball guy myself, you know, it just made a ton of sense to. Collect some of those guys, Ryan Sandberg and stuff like that. A lot of Chicago teams when I first started.

SPEAKER 3: And then just like most people, right? Everything. Kind of stops in the 90s for the most part. As you get a little older and other things are going on and and then the hobby Takes a little bit of a break for a little bit as well.

SPEAKER 3: I Happen to be working at my previous employer. That I've I worked for for about 17 years.

SPEAKER 3: Was walking through a Walmart. For them as I was going in there to check one of the sets that we, that we were doing there. And. Seeing baseball cards sitting on the shelf. And so.

SPEAKER 3: That interest me. I didn't know that. There was baseball cards still out there in the world. I just, you know, I hadn't thought about them since I was a kid. So went over there, grabbed a box and.

SPEAKER 3: It kind of started from there. That was in 2012, 2013.

SPEAKER 3: Ended up getting in touch with a distributor locally.

SPEAKER 3: In like 2014 and became a breaker. On Facebook for a long time.

SPEAKER 3: I say long time, it's three or four years. And just had a nice little tight-knit group. Of about 400, 500 people.

SPEAKER 3: You know, a lot of guys I knew in the group. A lot of networking of just people that I met. We've got shows, things like that. And, yeah that was like the that was like the start of it you know getting back into the industry essentially I didn't think it would get to this point, that's for sure. But.

SPEAKER 3: It definitely. Was a fun moment to see.

SPEAKER 3: Sports cards again.

SPEAKER 3: Get that feel if you know from one when i was a kid as well so.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. That's the beauty of the hobby too, Clint, right? You can. If you have to take a break or pause or life happens.

SPEAKER 1: It's there waiting for you I always tell people Now, sometimes I'll get... Someone will message me or email me like. Sort of burnt out or I'm kind of frustrated. And I'm like, take a pause. A pause might be like a weekend away. Or...

SPEAKER 1: A month or longer that's up to the individual and sometimes that's not the worst thing in the world because the nice thing is It can recharge your batteries and then you come back and Sometimes you don't. You know, you don't appreciate something until you kind of... You miss it a little bit.

SPEAKER 1: All right. Come back. You know, in your case, it. Brought back to the, the stalgia factor. For you seeing. Cards again And here you are doing. All sorts of. Big things when it comes to like your focus on on what you PC or is it You mentioned Chicago.

SPEAKER 1: Like superstars is it's Chicago-Centric. Kind of players or athletes.

SPEAKER 3: So my PC is kind of fluid, I'll be honest on that, and... I mean that because... I sold a lot of my collection to start Zion Cases.

SPEAKER 3: Because I wanted to fund this business that I had an idea around. So I did sell a lot of.

SPEAKER 3: Iconic cards, things like that. That Nothing that was absolutely massive, but stuff that meant something to me. You know, whether it be some rookie cards from some old Cubs guys. You know, Chicago Bulls stuff, which would be some more secondhand Michael Jordan stuff.

SPEAKER 3: Never owned a... Actual rookie yet. But maybe one day on that one, that would be pretty cool. But. The PC always, ironically enough, we had a fantasy baseball team, and our fantasy baseball team.

SPEAKER 3: Was more around Dynasty. And getting some draft picks, things like that. So.

SPEAKER 3: Bowman you know, was a very big interest for me. Right off the jump.

SPEAKER 3: And that's one. Chris Bryant was... Was a huge guy in 2013, 14 that I. Really wanted to grab. So I... Have a little bit of a, lean towards the 2013 Bowman style card. I just love the Chris Bryant card at that time.

SPEAKER 3: And then judge has it as well. Right. So it looks pretty cool. From that perspective. But Just, yeah. It went from like prospects. Some of the old guys that I found graded, you know, had some fun holding on to them for a while. And then now.

SPEAKER 3: I grab things. That I think are. Cool looking. I like. You know, have some... Some older cards like a Wayne Gretzky rookie that I liked. I just thought that'd be cool to own a ring. You know, Wayne Gretzky rookie. It's a six, so it's not like something absolutely massive. But... It's still a... It's still a very cool card. Psa6 by the way on that if any i'm sure everybody got the reference but yeah just in case yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And we're PSA 6 brothers because... You can't see it because my big body's blocking it. But behind me is a Gretzky PSA 6.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, that's awesome, dude.

SPEAKER 1: Hey, there we go. We're in the same fraternity.

SPEAKER 1: That's a great question. Grade.

SPEAKER 3: And it is. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but go ahead.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, no, and then... Yeah, no, for sure. And then to get into like modern.

SPEAKER 3: I do like a lot of the modern cards. I think they look cool. I think there's a lot of cool. Things that are kind of coming out and. I can see why.

SPEAKER 3: You know, some of these, the newer collectors like. Draw towards the modern a little bit and how they look because they're making some really cool stuff But I... Collect a guy that Most people aren't probably going to know, but Io DeSumo. Is a, basketball player from the line i Illinois basketball team which is 20 minutes from where I grew up, so I'm a huge Illinois basketball fan.

SPEAKER 3: And so I. You know, grabbed his cards and... Kind of PC to him a little bit. And I actually seen this last year. He's starting to do well in his. In his third year or so. Started off really good his rookie season, but then Ended up getting into his second year, didn't do that well, did okay. But then his third year, he's making on a bigger role and whatnot.

SPEAKER 3: That's fun to see some really cool cards of him, right? Really sought after cards that I have that I bought for dirt cheap. And you know, having him as an interesting PC item. Most people look at me when I go, hey, you got any IO to Sumo? They're like, I don't even know who that is.

SPEAKER 1: But Thank It sounds like... Without there was... Perspective almost sounds like he's Something you'd need like an antibiotic for.

SPEAKER 3: Right, yeah. No, I've gotten some interesting responses in the years.

SPEAKER 1: Here's the thing. Because of the connection with Illinois. You know, that's where you grew up. And And. It's fun to see, like you said. See you, Guy. Start well. Then a little bit of struggles and then. Like... Now he's figuring the league out. Things are slowing down. Form And you're not. You know. You're not collecting them because... I mean, obviously you think he's a.

SPEAKER 1: Pretty good ballplay, but you're not necessarily collecting them. You know You know, you live in California, but you're collecting air and drugs. You're not a Yankee. That you have that connection that that local area, that regional connection. And now he's. Kind of stepping this game up. So that's always. I think that's always fun when... When that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER 3: I have this you know it is fun Yeah, for sure. 100%.

SPEAKER 1: So let's talk about... You know, you mentioned you get break in and uncollected. You know How did that... You know, when did... How did Zion, the birth of Zion, like what was it? That that cause you to... You know form the company. When you started obviously You're in a different spot now, but... When you're... First start. Said, I'm going to do this, kind of talk about. You know, that process.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Was 2016-17 So I. I liked working with wood and doing some cool things with it, you know, whether it was doing engraving or staining or. Thank painting something and adding some vinyls to it. You know, I had all these different ideas. So I was.

SPEAKER 3: In my my breaking days, I would also. Do display wall displays. And I would do one-offs. You know, and had some fun doing that. So I always had an idea. Of taking the cards kind of to the, you know, where do they go from here? You get them and then where do you put them you know do you display them you Do you put them in a shoebox like most of us do?

SPEAKER 3: Or a white box, you know, one of the white graded boxes, things like that. Some of the storage options weren't. I don't think ideal for the fact that. My my collection started to accumulate. And i'm like man i got a lot of money sitting here and i don't really know where to put it And I don't really like it sitting in a shoe box.

SPEAKER 3: Don't really like it in the white cardboard boxes. So. Wheels started turning while i was you know working at my my previous employer and did it you know while i'm breaking on the side you know in my spare time i'm also thinking of some ideas of how storage can be done. For. Four cards, graded card, non-graded.

SPEAKER 3: And came up with a... Toolbox, ID it. Idea. Excuse me. Toolbox idea.

SPEAKER 3: Briefcase look. And my first iteration of this was not nice. By the way, like I got it. I look back at it and see it. I go, oh gosh, that's almost hideous, basically. Thank But.

SPEAKER 1: In your defense, even like the great companies like Microsoft and Apple, some of their... See? Yeah. Intonations. They too would say. What were we thinking? Were we? Yeah. Where they are now.

SPEAKER 3: No, you got to start somewhere.

SPEAKER 1: I think people understand that. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. And yeah, thank you to the industry for some grace here and there. Because as you're building and developing a new item that's not... Ever been on the end, you know, in the industry for the most part.

SPEAKER 3: From a storage perspective. They've kind of seen, I think. The the journey as well of what we've kind of came from to. You know, seven years later, seeing where we're at. Seeing, you know, all the... Uh... How much it's changed, you know, from one to two SKUs when we first start. To three, you know, ran three SKUs up until 2021.

SPEAKER 3: You know and and then Now we've got a hundred and. You know, 180 skews. So. There's a lot of different things that have obviously happened. And, you know, in that beginning time, I. A lot of feedback, a lot of, you know, I like to ask a lot of questions. And, you know, when I sold some things in the beginning, you know, I always asked.

SPEAKER 3: You know, hey, is there something you could, if you could change something, what would it be? You know, stuff like that. Just because getting insight, you know from other collectors and what they collected would help. Design like the next version of some of these things. So.

SPEAKER 3: Made some edits. Made some, you know, different color changes, things like that. And that's kind of. Been for the better and you know, we've grown. Quite a bit over the last seven years, adding all of these. These different products and elements. Colors and styles and It's, yeah, it's been a fun ride.

SPEAKER 1: It's nice to hear you say that too, Clint. Those collectors and people in the hobby are asking for their opinion because that's going to be your consumer base. What it tells me is you care. About 100%. Peace. Yeah like sure you're a collector too and you can you can design stuff out i like this or this would bother me so i'm not doing that but you also beside your own opinion, which is important.

SPEAKER 1: You took that feedback. That you got from fellow collectors and people in the ivy and utilize that. That just, I think it sounds a little bit. It says a lot about... You know, you know, what kind of person you are, because that's... That's important. A lot of times you hear stories where. That isn't the case. Let's put it that way. Yeah. And. You know the consumer base can suffer from that.

SPEAKER 1: So that's really cool.

SPEAKER 3: Someone's at my door. I've got to get that. Be right back.

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SPEAKER 1: 829-5561 When you first started... I'm assuming you can correct me if I'm wrong. You kind of kept your job initially, right? Like go full time.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, no.

SPEAKER 3: I honestly assumed it was going to be a side hustle for the rest of my life. You know, I didn't assume that it would be a situation.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: I'm pretty content, you know, with my life. I'm a content person. I don't need a lot of things. So, like. For me, it was...

SPEAKER 3: It's welcomed, but I wasn't expecting it, and I wasn't expecting it. To do what it's done, especially over the last three years.

SPEAKER 3: Yo. Really, I mean, kind of like what you just said, it was more to the...

SPEAKER 3: How can I? Create a solution. And something that That is. I think needed in the industry. Because going to shows, for an example, we started going to shows in 2014-15.

SPEAKER 3: When I you know, get a random you discussion with somebody and they're like hey you're gonna go to the Chicago show and i'm like shows are going on now. Like I remember as a kid going to a few local shows. But like, I'd never experienced a big show in Chicago. As a kid. Going there meeting up with a few people that i met online you know in Facebook and Instagram you know, that was fun too.

SPEAKER 3: Put faces to people that I had seen on there. Meet them. I'm sure everybody in this industry loves that aspect is. You know, all these people that we've done deals and traded thousands of dollars of either. Sports cards with or sent. Thousands of dollars to what we received. You know, you don't even know who they are for the most part sometimes.

SPEAKER 3: So until you see them in person, it's fun to kind of put names with faces. But I remember going to that show and going. Man, we're throwing cardboard boxes and... And Peace you know, shoe boxes in a book bag and we're walking around with. A few thousand dollars in our backpack. Just didn't make sense to me, you know, as far as. You know, that aspect.

SPEAKER 3: No, it's, yeah, it's just, it's such an interesting. Way that it's basically kind of came. You know, from nothing to actually something that's almost. Needed now in the industry you know from coming from the national John you you came up to the booth Yeah, we got.

SPEAKER 3: 20, 30 people at the booth at Dang Nero all times. And it's part of the experience now. You know, they want to come and they want to get their Zion Case. They want to get it filled. Stuff like that.

SPEAKER 1: No, it's like I said in the intro. They help create. Like, how crazy is that? Like. Your company's become a verb. Right. People just say Zion. They don't have to even say. Case.

SPEAKER 1: Whether you're listening to a podcast. Or like... Even let's be real. I'm sure you... You know. You know what I'm saying even if it's not a Zion Case it's just called design it is no it is Okay.

SPEAKER 3: Yep. It is.

SPEAKER 1: It's funny. It's awesome. It's crazy. All at the. All at the same time like Listen, you're probably... You know, you're the number one. I think. Case manufacturer for a reason because of the quality. And the...

SPEAKER 1: The different options and call i can go on i don't want to sound like an But because of that... You The your company's become a verb. Literally for every case regardless of whether it's yours or or not yours. I mean, Does that, you ever really think about that and it hits you and like. Holy.

SPEAKER 3: Crap Oh, yeah, no.

SPEAKER 1: About where you started from.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, it's unreal. Yeah, no, I mean. You know, a lot of guys start in their garage, right? And literally my garage was my warehouse. For the first yoke. Two years.

SPEAKER 3: And didn't have a... Uh... Didn't have my car in there and. Just loaded the garage up and My wife was, you know, a little upset because she don't make, it don't make no sense to her while the garage is just sitting there full. And I'm like, listen, this is. What we're doing. All right. So. You got to bear with me. You know, you married into this. It is what it is. She, you know, she knew what she was getting into.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, no, we've... A lot of references over the last few years about. You know, like. Kleenex and think, you know, you're the Kleenex of the tissue industry now and stuff like that. So And it is true. I mean, we got guys that come up to the shows now and they'll have a case. They'd be like, hey, you know, I locked myself out of this or something.

SPEAKER 3: And I'm like, well, this isn't even mine. And they're like, oh. This isn't your case. I'm like, no. You bought your case somewhere else, clearly. And, you know, but we'll even help them out even too, because we're a part of the industry too. So it's like, well, we can be adaptable and go from there. But it is funny because they come up and they're like, oh yeah, I got a Zion Case.

SPEAKER 3: And then they lift it up and it's not a Zion. Case and it's like Oh, yeah. It doesn't happen very often. But it does happen, you know, occasionally, you know, throughout the years of doing it, we've had maybe a handful of them, but it is funny. That you say it like that because that's exactly how it is you know.

SPEAKER 1: No listen i've been doing i've been in the hobby 45 years and You know, it's. I know there are other manufacturers, but you... You're the big dog on the block. You put in the work. I'm not, you know, it's not like... Oh, you don't... Someone crowned you that. You did it. With Blood, sweat, and tears and all that stuff, like you said.

SPEAKER 1: We're starting out in your garage and... You know, not knowing. You know for sure you obviously have a goal, but you know, nothing's guaranteed, right? And. And here we are, and you're big, like... It's just a great story, but...

SPEAKER 1: The it's a great story because it's a great case right i mean they're not mutually exclusive they you know One doesn't happen with the other not being. Uh... True so But I thought about that the other day. It's. Like his company is a verb. Like, you know what I mean? It's like. Every case is designed, whether it is. Or it isn't. Because they're the best of what they do.

SPEAKER 3: No, I appreciate that very much. Yes. And it is.

SPEAKER 3: It is 100%.

SPEAKER 3: Yo. Quality is, we try to be the best we can when it comes to that. You know, we try to be as innovative and.

SPEAKER 3: Goal-oriented as far as like what the the collectors wanting to collect and how they want to do it. As possible, you know, from a functionality perspective. So yeah, there's a... We will you know, we'll keep innovating and we'll keep growing. And, and, you know, as a collector, like we said, it's very easy for me to.

SPEAKER 3: To adapt and see like, Hey, what are we trying to collect here? What are we trying to do here? And understand. The nuance of maybe another collector that's like, Hey, I need.

SPEAKER 3: Xyz because we you know we get it all the time it shows especially they want to Hey, you need to get... Case that just has four SGC cards and I need a ball on this one side. And it's like. Yeah, look, I mean, you know, that's not probably going to happen. It was.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know the collector that needs just that. Alone. But hey, if you need help.

SPEAKER 1: People don't really like... Bye. Well, you do care about like what people and collectors want, right? People also realize it costs money to produce these things. And while you'd love to make like.

SPEAKER 1: Like you have to make it like that costs money. To make the product. If like four people buy it The four people.

SPEAKER 1: That's not a winning proposition.

SPEAKER 3: That's not a winning product. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So, so although. We do have opportunities and i will do one-offs occasionally but i tell people a lot when it comes to a one-off. It's not cheap because it's not cheap for me to. To get it made. So.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's an unfortunate. Kind of situation, but it is what it is. If you're wanting what you want, it may cost a little bit more. Compared to, you know, something that we can create like we have, what we've got. Hundreds and thousands of units of certain things so.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. Going back to when you kind of launched. The company Obviously, like, you were still in... Floyd. But, you know, it's still a nervous time, right? Because you're... You got to put money in your startup or your company and there's no guarantee You know, how nerve-wracking was that, thinking back?

SPEAKER 1: Kids. To when you first launched and with no guarantee of success. Obviously now it's a different story, but. You know, Thinking back, even when you first. You know, the company was started.

SPEAKER 3: Very scared. Yeah. I've never done that before in my life. So, you know. I know that my wife was scared for us as well.

SPEAKER 3: So...

SPEAKER 3: It Yeah, one of the good things that I did have. Was the fact that I'd actually built a little bit of a breaking business up as well. During the timeframe. So like I explained to my wife and she, you know, understood after I had to break it down a little bit to her is that. We're going to be okay.

SPEAKER 3: We got a little bit of income coming in. Like I can run the business and my breaks weren't. Like you know gosh the braking industry is interesting now just from a pricing perspective but back then a lot of guys don't don't know that I'd get a case of Bowman for $650 or $625. Remember one time.

SPEAKER 1: That's up. That's a box now.

SPEAKER 3: That's a box now, yeah. So at the end of the day, like... You know, I look back and I say, okay, I had 52 cases of 2017, you know, Bowman baseball.

SPEAKER 3: Yo, maybe I should have. Kept about 10 of those because they were only 600 something dollars a piece to me But, you know, in that timeframe, you know, you're looking at. Today and tomorrow and in the next week.

SPEAKER 3: You know you're gonna push through that product because we need to make a little money so that we can pay our bills and live life and everything else. But.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, I think that was... Yeah, one of the things too is my wife knows that.

SPEAKER 3: I'll grind. Too so like if i got to get out there and do some odds and ends here and there and and i actually When I left my company, I was. Kind of self-employed for about. Six months or so. And then God offered an opportunity also to.

SPEAKER 3: Work about two, three days a week and make some pretty good money. But. They were some hard two days a week, two and three days a week. But. It helped supplement a little bit during the early times in like 2000, you know, 18, 19.

SPEAKER 3: And then.

SPEAKER 3: You know, again, I've I'll always grind to make sure that we're good to go.

SPEAKER 3: And not at the detriment of the business because one of the one of the goals and that's what I think scared my wife so much is that I told her we're not making money off of Zion Cases. It'll just be reinvested. So like. I didn't go. Spend a bunch of money and then just try to take all the profits and go live. Anywhere like I literally just kind of re snowballed it.

SPEAKER 3: Next orders next day out.

SPEAKER 3: A lot of, engineer work. Design work, things like that to try to see. What the next options were, what we could do design wise.

SPEAKER 3: The development of Mac Pro. Things like that, that. You know, it took nine months to develop. And I developed that myself. Bye. Seeing what I thought would help. The one touch you know, which I know the one touch or the magnetic card. Or magnetic case is. A staple in our industry and And not in any way was I meaning to redefine it or anything like that.

SPEAKER 3: But I just seen. A need for an opportunity for a little quality in a magnetic holder. And some other little you know, factors into it that I think can help. The collector have a case that actually stands up a little longer. Doesn't scratch as often, has some.

SPEAKER 3: Some some functionality to it that's a little different than what we're used to. So. There's all types of...

SPEAKER 3: You know, ways that I probably could have taken that money that I made or have made a Zion. And I probably wouldn't be here today, to be honest with you, John, because I didn't reinvest into the company at that time. But that's. That was kind of the idea. And I told my wife, we'll be fine.

SPEAKER 3: I'll get through it, right? We'll find ways to make. Make it work and whatnot. Now we're, like you said, The last two years, it's been a little different. Because We grind still. Don't get me wrong. You know, we go to 60 shows a year and we're out in the industry.

SPEAKER 3: We have a couple other businesses in the industry that. That we handle shows, whether it's rental cases, things like that. We've got a lot of irons in the fire, but. Yeah, it's five years ago. I didn't see that at all. For sure. That wasn't even on the, on the Richter's.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, one thing I want to... Speak to, to, you know, You mentioned grinding, like... And, you know. I think the number, there's various reasons different. Businesses or companies don't make it I think number one on that list. Clint is. People get into and don't want to put into work. Or it's too much.

SPEAKER 1: Thank you And it just overwhelms them, right? And I'm sure you have days or moments too like that. Oh, yeah. But like you said, you... Put in the work. You know it's got to be done. You're going to do it. And that's... Leads into your success. Where I think others...

SPEAKER 1: You know get in there and then it's it's like i just said it's it's a little bit much And unfortunately, Not that I want people to fail, but that's sometimes. Comes with the... The territory. Awesome catching up with. Clint Anderson from Zion, he's... Built that company into a juggernaut to the point. You know, it's... Thank Really, dear? Very few other case makers going into.

SPEAKER 1: That arena, how are you going to beat them, right? It's very tough.

SPEAKER 1: Not impossible, but very tough.

SPEAKER 1: You know, for a guy who's built a company to that level, he's really...

SPEAKER 1: Fairly humble about that. Like, confident. But... But... Pretty humble. Had a great time talking with him, and we're not done, right? That was part one. Of our two part. Conversation with Clint. So. Come back next Friday for the conclusion. Of that conversation. We're going to hear from our Hobbies and People announcer. And we'll be back with some... Closing thoughts.

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