Ep.291 w/ Katlyn Gacesa "Sports Card Couple"

SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody? Welcome to episode 291. Upset Sports Card Nation. As we get very close to the national. Hope you are as excited for it as I am, getting ready for Cleveland here and speaking of excited, happy to have the guest on today's pod, Caitlin Gesa.

SPEAKER 1: One half of the sports card couple doing Social Media. She's a writer for Hobby News Daily and really, really making her way through the hobby and just a great, you know, we talk about having people doing it the right way and, and, and great people and she again checks those boxes.

SPEAKER 1: So, real happy to have her on, today's show and she's, you know, she's very forthright and, has a passion for the hobby, loves the hobby and we're gonna wanna talk all about that. So, with that being said, let's take a quick 32nd break and be back with Caitlin.

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SPEAKER 1: All right. Real happy to have my next guest on the sports card shop guest line. She's one half of the sports card. Oh, I'll tell, I'll say without, you know, trying to be the better half of the sports fair couple. But, we're gonna talk about cards and a lot of stuff. She's doing in the hobby. Caitlyn Gesa.

SPEAKER 1: Welcome.

SPEAKER 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited. I've, I've seen many of your podcasts and love all your guests. So it's good to be added to the amazing list now.

SPEAKER 1: All right. Well, we appreciate you. You making some time, for us, Caitlin. You know, I said that tongue in cheek. I'm with your husband and no offense.

SPEAKER 1: Me. But, I think all men say that. Right. My better half. So I just kind of went with the, with that kind of standard. But, you're from the Philadelphia area, kind of talk about how you got your start, in the high. I know it's the kind of the standard podcast opening question. But I think it's, it's important to kind of, you know, get that base.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, my husband and I, Joey, we are just outside the Philly area. We say the Philly area, but we're really Harrisburg, Hershey. But we're diehard Philly fans we're diehard sports Philadelphia fans.

SPEAKER 3: So, yeah, we got started in the hobby about a year and a half ago, probably more than two years at this point.

SPEAKER 3: A of ours noticed that we were big sports fans. We go to hockey games, we go to baseball games and he was like, have you ever collected cards before? And we were like, collected what? And like, we're collectors at heart. So, like, we collect, like, pins and coins and all other random knick knack things.

SPEAKER 3: And he was like, you should look into this and one box later, another card later. And then, you know, it just kind of spiraled and we decided, you know what, let's go into this and just kind of go all in and we love it. We love, all of the community, the people and the friends we've made and it has been such a inviting thing and then about a year and a half into it.

SPEAKER 3: I got a job in the hobby not thinking it would be kind of a career direction I would wanna do. And I just, I saw the passion and excitement and that's kind of how our story began and it feels like it's growing and changing every week and every day.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Much like the hobby. Right? It's, it's, it's crazy how fast the, you know, time does go and then, you know, you, you imagine, like, your sports fans, like, that's not new to you and it just, someone said, hey, you know, like there's, there's cards and someone kind of coming in like that. Was it over? Was it a little bit overwhelming at first or not, or not? Necessarily?

SPEAKER 3: I think it was a little overwhelming because we didn't know where we were going and what direction we want to go in because we started off collecting football and basketball cards because that's what everybody was doing. And it felt like, oh, we need to be in that space.

SPEAKER 3: And as baseball fans and as Phillies fans, we were like, oh, let's look into baseball cards. We thought prospecting would be hard and difficult. And after a little bit of time, we realized, oh, it's not necessarily about like the direction you don't have to prospect. You don't have to collect rookie cards.

SPEAKER 3: You can collect the things that you really like enjoy and we kind of learned prospecting over time. So it's been kind of a fun transition moving from the football basketball side to more of the baseball side. And though we're the sports card couple, our primary is baseball, but we do enjoy collecting some football and basketball on occasion and we're kind of in the off season collecting a little bit of basketball.

SPEAKER 3: So it's been, it's been fun to learn and grow in this space. And I think the community especially like on YouTube and all the different podcasts have been super helpful to get us kind of moved into that transition and kind of grow in this space.

SPEAKER 1: You mentioned, you know, heavy Philadelphia sports team fandom is do your, do your collecting kind of go that way as well, not just like naturally.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I would say most of our collecting kind of fills in that space because we do a lot of shows in the Philly and in the Delaware and Virginia region.

SPEAKER 3: Philly Sports is very popular here as well. The Orioles in our area. So that's kind of where our primary personal collection goes. We also have our own individual collection. So like, that's the unique thing about us as a couple is we have like our collection, I say, but then we also have our individual collections.

SPEAKER 3: Like I really, really love the Home Field Advantage set. It's a really unique and affordable. Everyone says downtown style card and I love the look of them. I love the feel of them. So I've been collecting those since the beginning of that because they kind of started when we jumped into the hobby. And I was like, that's something I can get on.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm about like 15 away with the new series to get the whole entire set completed, not including legendary but just kind of enjoying that. My husband really likes the let's go insert. So he's been collecting those and those are really cool case hits. So we kind of focus in on Philadelphia. But we have like a wide range of other cards as well in our collection.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. It's nice to hear like you have your individual likes and, and stuff that you like to collect. You know, you have your kind of dual collection and then you can go off and kind of add to your own PC, which is very, very cool. And yes. I'm not gonna argue with you.

SPEAKER 1: The, the home field cards are definitely aesthetically pleasing and, and obviously if you're opening stuff, you, you, you're not gonna be disappointed to have pulling one of those as well and they are, they have that down.

SPEAKER 1: It's, I think it's, it's tops, is kind of answer to the, the downtown of, of Panini's and, and what have, but still great. Both of those are, are, are great insert sets that, I don't think anyone complains too much about one of those because they're not that easy to be to get to begin with.

SPEAKER 3: So they're not hard to find at shows either. They're really difficult to find at shows because they're very sought after as well.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. Anytime I have them, I, I, I'm a dealer. They don't last very long as, as people like to add them to their collection, you mentioned, you know, being in, in generally the Philadelphia area and going to shows in Philly.

SPEAKER 1: Philly has always been a major player when it comes to hobby and sports. Both. But it seems like the last few years. I don't know. To me, I'm here in New York. Really seems like a lot. You're hearing a lot more from that area, from collectors and content.

SPEAKER 1: You know, what do you attribute that to just more people from the area getting involved in the hobby? Or maybe people just paying more attention.

SPEAKER 3: I think it's a little bit of both from our experience. Our first card show was the Philly Show, which was a little overwhelming because it's a very big regional show. And it seemed like, and that was around 2022 I think was the first Philly show that we ever went to. And it was like right after the boom and it started to kind of settle down and it was, it was a little overwhelming to be honest.

SPEAKER 3: So there were a lot of people, a lot of things going on and I think part of it is just the amount of marketing and the amount of dollars that are being spent in the space. Number one and number two is friends getting other friends into collecting and other people getting other people into collecting.

SPEAKER 3: If you're a sports fan, it's kind of easy to get converted into the collecting side of things. We kind of did that with family members and friends. We're like, oh, you love sports why don't you collect sports cards or memorabilia or that kind of thing? So, I think it's a little bit of both and that area, especially with the teams as well.

SPEAKER 3: Doing so well. Like the Phillies and the Eagles having a pretty good season last year and even the Sixers making the playoffs helps as well because there's a lot of media attention in that area. So a lot of people are drawn to that area. There's a lot of cards shops that are popping up in the Philadelphia New Jersey region as well.

SPEAKER 3: So I feel like I hear every other week of a card shop popping up and at least once a month it's in that area. So that also contributes to it as well. And I feel like people wanna grow that space because it's such a very populous region and very popular to travel to if it's for sports or other events or for just being in the city experience.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. I, I obviously, I mean, you're from the area so I'll acquiesce to, to your answer. But I think II I agree with you. I think it's, it's all those things you mentioned L CS s.

SPEAKER 1: You know, we're, we're seeing more of them launch, we're seeing even existing L CS s open up additional locations in your area, you mentioned being from the Hershey area, describe the El CS kind of where you are.

SPEAKER 1: Do you have many, are they good, you know, whether you wanna mention names or not? So, I'll leave it up to you. Do you have a s, some in your area that you're, you're fond of? Do you think there's room, for, for more L CS growth, in, in your area? I'll let you kind of speak on that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So we have a handful of local card shops in our area within a 30 mile Drive, which is common for us to go to things. It is about a 30 mile driving distance is like probably about 10 local card shops I say, which is a lot for our area, for not being a major regional area.

SPEAKER 3: Because we are an hour and a half outside of Philly, but we're kind of like a hub because you can get to pretty much anywhere from Harrisburg. So you can get to Philly DC Baltimore, all of those places within an hour and a half of each other, which is really nice because we get to go to really cool card shows.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, we, we always go to our local wax shop is Card Stadium and then we have another really good friend of ours, Bailey. He owns WP a sports cards. He's got a really great shop with really good prices and good singles too.

SPEAKER 3: There's a shop on the west shore that we go to. So it just kind of depends on where we are in what area we're in. There's a lot of good shops in Lancaster as well. We haven't been to a lot of those because we don't get down to that area as much.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, we have a lot of really good local card shops in our area and it feels like every day something's growing and something's adding to the area. I know our friend Eric with UBS, he goes to a lot of card shows. He has a sh a shop in the area.

SPEAKER 3: But I think like kind of my, I guess big picture personal goal, it would be if we were to do it or somebody else in our region would be to do it is to put one in the city of Hershey because of Hershey Park, the giant center with the Hershey Bears right now. And also the Hershey Park Stadium very popular in that area for some concerts and events.

SPEAKER 3: I think it would be just good for our community, good for the economy in our area as well. And I think because the hobby is growing so fast in this region and it feels like that's kind of the direction we're going in.

SPEAKER 3: We're doing a show in July which what would have happened at this point, the first week of July and we went, he keeps selling out that show in Gettysburg every, every time and it feels like every show in this general area sells out pretty fast. But again, that not only speaks to our region but speaks to the hobby in general and how it's growing.

SPEAKER 1: You mentioned, you know, Hershey and, and liking to see a store, you also mentioned that I caught you saying, Kaitlin about maybe you doing it doing it. Is that something that, you and, and Joey have discussed maybe being, open in a future L CS?

SPEAKER 1: You know, locally, I think.

SPEAKER 3: That's like, really, I think everybody in the hobby dreams of opening their own card shop. If you've collected cards since you were a kid or if you just started collecting, I think once you realize how big the space is, you dream of that. And I know that's kind of my husband's dream right now.

SPEAKER 3: Like right now I think we just have so much growth to do and so many things to do, like outside of that, that I think that's big picture. But right now I think we're just really focused in on our careers growing our name, growing our brand, but also just being there for the community right now. So as friends and as collectors as well.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. I had a myself many moons ago, 92 to 97 here in New York. And, you know, I, sometimes I miss it sometimes I don't.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, it, like you said, it's, it's, if you're into the hobby and you love the hobby. I, I don't think there's, I think there's very few people who have never thought about what it would like to have their own, you know, L CS and do it and how they would do, you know, seeing other people, how they do it, their own spin and, and take on it and, you know, I, I was back in the nineties before.

SPEAKER 1: All the stuff we have, now, so if I ever did it again, I'm not, I don't have any plans to, but, you know, I do have ideas that I think I would like to, you know, implement but, probably more, more theory at, you know, more of a theory that's gonna be actually put into effect.

SPEAKER 1: But like you said, I think it's a great point. I think we've all thought what it would be like to, to do. And I think, especially if you live in an area where maybe there isn't one and you're like, hey, we can fill, we can fill a void here and, and, you know, I'm not the only collector in the area, I'm sure of that. So there's a, there's a need and a call for it.

SPEAKER 1: So hopefully if that's, you know, I know you said it was Joey's dream. Hopefully that we'll get realized that would be really cool. And I, I know you guys, will do a great job with it. Much like you do with, with Social Media. You're very informative, very sharing. You, you're not shy about your fandom, which is, that's what fandoms about.

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SPEAKER 1: We, batch your guys' approach with Social Media. What's kind of your, and I know you're, you know, you're in the process, it's gonna get bigger and better. But kind of, what's your thoughts and, and your approach to, you know, Social Media?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So we originally started our Social Media pages. Just me and it was just me branded to me and he was like, well, you're the female collector. It's a really unique space for you. And I was like, ok, let's do this.

SPEAKER 3: But then when we would go to card shows, everyone would go, oh, my goodness. It's the sports card couple because we go together. So we kind of did like a turn like a, like a 180 was like, well, this would be cool.

SPEAKER 3: So, yeah, I think our, our focus right now is just showing like what we do as a couple. What's our space. Like we want people to get to know us, personally, know our collection personally want us, we want to spend time with people in the hobby.

SPEAKER 3: We wanna gain friends in a community and that's our biggest thing with our page is just kind of showcasing us. And though sometimes I am the face in the video, it's mostly because my husband has his own full time job.

SPEAKER 3: So he's very busy with that. And then I also have a full time job in the hobby. So it's just, it's easier for me to do the pages. But we talked about recently, how can we grow this together? How can we help people get to know us?

SPEAKER 3: So on Fridays, we feature things about us, our favorite things, like we featured our favorite road trip snacks or our favorite cards we've picked up or recent polls. So you kind of get to know our personalities a little bit more.

SPEAKER 3: And get to know what we've been doing, sharing what shows we're going to photos of us that shows what we're up to because we want to build our community as a space for not only friends that you've made in the hobby, but for also for families and couples to see, hey, this is something you can do together.

SPEAKER 3: Even if it means you have your own collection, not necessarily like us, we have our collection together, but you can do it together and do this thing together, but maybe you have different directions in the space and it's a lot of fun sharing that. And I really hope that we can kind of grow that not just for ourselves but for the hobby as a whole. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. No doubt you mentioned you like to go to shows. And I think anyone in the hobby, I think most people in the hobby would, would echo, echo that sentiment. Caitlin, you know, we're seeing shows, more shows pop up, at more intervals and then we're seeing shows in cities that never really had them before.

SPEAKER 1: This is the question I like to ask people, that like shows or familiar with shows. Do you think there can be an over saturation? Can there be too many? Or, or not necessarily?

SPEAKER 3: That's a great question. I've, I think I've had this conversation a couple of times with some friends recently because we do go to the Philly region and there are a lot of shows in the Philly, New Jersey area.

SPEAKER 3: And it feels like there are shows every week or every other weekend. So I think, yes, in certain areas there can be over saturation. But in others, I feel like there's opportunity for growth.

SPEAKER 3: Because I know for some friends that live in the Philly, New Jersey region, they're like, well, it'll be easier for us to go to show in New Jersey and we were more open to setting up there. Whereas some people are just like, well, I don't mind taking like us, we don't mind taking the Drive to Chantilly or to Philly or to a New York show.

SPEAKER 3: So I think depending on what area you're in, there could be over saturation, like specifically the city of Philadelphia. I think there should be just kind of very specific shows that have built their brand. But even like there could be little local shows everywhere if you can fill the space and you know, you can get the people, why not do it?

SPEAKER 3: We're doing that and our, our region with some shows where there are maybe 70 tables, not like the big shows, but it still feels it still gets a lot of people because those are people that can't necessarily travel to a Philly or New Jersey region as well.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's, that's a great point, right? Is, is get them in areas where no matter where you live, your, your commute to a show will be more reasonable than maybe it has been in the past. And you know, when I get asked that it's a very same question which does happen.

SPEAKER 1: My answer is the proof is gonna be in, in the pudding Caitlin like, you know, when promoters start maybe seeing either less people come through the doors as consumers or less dealers signing up and, and buying, you know, paying renting tables at the show.

SPEAKER 1: That's when I think we'll, we'll know, I don't think we're there yet. I am. I'm not gonna lie and say, I'm not concerned that, that eventually, you know, at the rate that shows are growing that that's always a risk.

SPEAKER 1: You know, but like you said, you know, Philly, the big areas with, with regional shows, obviously you got the national, which I call the, the Super Bowl, the hobby. They're not gonna be affected by something like that.

SPEAKER 1: But some of the, the smaller ones could be the first ones, I don't think again, I don't think we're there yet. So, that's a good thing. But it's something just kind of the, to keep our eye on as, as, but the hobby is also growing. I think there's more people in it today than there were yesterday.

SPEAKER 1: And so there'll be more people that will be going to their first shows, ever and catching that bug and, looking for more shows, to, to go to, you know, if not every week, you know, almost every week. And so I, I don't think, I, I don't think we're, we're that close to it yet, but we'll see kind of how it, plays out.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I, I gotta ask a question, you know, as a dealer who did his first show at age 15, many moons ago.

SPEAKER 1: You know, when, when someone comes up to my table I see a person, I don't see male, female, black, white, I, I was raised that way.

SPEAKER 1: It was instilled in me. Unfortunately, not everyone is like that as a, as a female collector and content creator too at this point. Like how, how has your, you know, reception been you know, I'm assuming mostly positive, but I, is it more, would you say it's more difficult? So being female, if comparatively speaking to maybe a male counterpart?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's a great question. I think for myself, not as much part of it is because I do walk around with Jos and my husband, but now that I'm working in the industry full time, I feel like I get enough respect because I know the hobby, I could talk about it. I have a lot of knowledge at this point.

SPEAKER 3: I might not be the most knowledgeable female collector in this space. But I know enough to be able to say, I know these products and what's going on and what happening. So I feel like I was overwhelmed with the amount of reception being in this space because I think people want their wives or their significant others to be part of the space.

SPEAKER 3: And I get to be one of those people that drives that movement, which is really cool. It's overwhelming but it's a little cool. But there have been many others that have come before me like Sarah Leighton and Kayla Colex and Mama Breaks who have been in this for longer than I have and I look up to them and I know many people will look up to me as well as how can I be part of this space that's growing?

SPEAKER 3: And the only way you can grow, it is by growing all demographics, all races, all kinds of people and inviting them and making them feel welcome.

SPEAKER 3: That's the one thing that I always tell people like when they're setting up a shows or when they're like, how do I get people and other types of people and just be a good person, like be welcoming, be inviting, make if they don't know enough, teach them, make them feel welcomed into the space. And that's the only way we're going to grow it.

SPEAKER 3: And that's how I, I felt like I've been able to be ok with being part of the space as I felt, welcomed, invited, taught and grown so much. So I've had very, very, very, very, very, very minimal bad encounters and I'm very grateful for that and hopefully I can provide that for many others to come.

SPEAKER 1: No, it's important.

SPEAKER 1: I don't even like that question, you know, but I think it has because I've seen it. Klin firsthand, I, I, I'll tell, you know, a real quick story. Like I said, I do so up at shows as a dealer, I had a dealer, like set up in the same kind of quad box as me I wouldn't call him a friend or acquaintance.

SPEAKER 1: I know him. I talked, you know, I talked to him when we're at the shows and, you know, a young lady came up to his table and it was just, a little, it wasn't rude.

SPEAKER 1: He was borderline but he's, he was sort of condescending and then after their, you know, exchange kind of was done, you know, I turned to him. I, I know him well enough to, you know, I said you were kinda, I said, hey, you know, you were, you could have probably handled that, better. Why did you say this or say that?

SPEAKER 1: Would you, you said that to someone who was male in the same? C no, and I'm like, and he said something to the like, well, she doesn't know this. I'm like, how do you know that? Did you, have you met her before? No, that was the first time.

SPEAKER 1: And I'm like, well, we don't even know what that person knows or don't know, you're, you're just assuming that and he kind of stood there and looked at me and it was kind of like the light bulb went on for him and I think he felt, you know, he felt bad and, you know, I hope, you know, that after that he was, he's more, you know, aware of, of, kind of, you know, what we say or how we interact with folks is, is important II I, you know, this was a few years ago.

SPEAKER 1: So, but what he said, while I said, like I said, it wasn't rude, Caitlin. It wasn't super nice either. And that young lady might take, might take that experience and, and II, I get it and just think all dealers are like that yet.

SPEAKER 1: Here I am standing next to the, you know, so and I'm not, but I'm kind of now lumped in because of one other dealer's actions. And that's the other thing I would kind of stress to folks is, you know, while someone may be like that, not everyone is that did not, you know.

SPEAKER 1: And again, in this case, he didn't know this young lady, but he had already like his verdict was in on her and I, I think it very unfair to do that. So I think he learned the le I hope he learned a lesson from just my conversation with him afterwards. I was very tactful.

SPEAKER 1: I didn't yell at him or berate him. I just wanted to point out a couple of things and I think it was, you know, it was too late after the fact, unless he gets to interact with her again. Hopefully there's a the second chance maybe he could apologize and, and start off again. But II I know that happens.

SPEAKER 1: I've heard female collectors talk about similar experiences.

SPEAKER 1: I hate to see it. But I like you said, I think it's becoming more, the, the minority story than, what majorly happens because I think, you know, we've seen, an uptick in women collectors, women holy positions. And in the hobby such as yourself, even in, in, with card companies.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, I'll mention sue who's, who's hold, held many jobs, in the hobby and a great example. And I think more people are, are, you know, figured it out. I mean, I was raised to, to be like that but I think we're seeing less of those kind of stories or, or in, or interactions or exchanges.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not saying they, they don't happen. I, but I just think it's becoming less of an issue and that's always, a, a positive thing and, you know, hopefully that continues, and you're car, you're carrying that Torch and, and being an example, as well now too. And, that's, that's important.

SPEAKER 3: I agree 100%.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know about you but I enjoyed that conversation with Caitlin.

SPEAKER 1: Really forthright. I appreciate that about her. Doesn't mince words and, positive force in the hobby along with her husband, Joe. Here's the good part. If you enjoyed the conversation, there's part two coming next episode on Sports Carnation. So, this was the first of our two conversations.

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