Ep.274 w/ Tony & Oz of Cousins Collectibles

SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody? Episode 274 of Sports Card Nation have two guests today. Not one, what's better than one guest, two guests, Cousin, Oz, Cousin Tony of Cousins Collectibles Podcast. I almost said formally, I'm not gonna say formally because I know they've put their, their podcast, on pause. I, I'll just say that way.

SPEAKER 1: I'm hoping they, they grab the mics once again, but they grabbed the mics once again for this episode. So, for that, I'm thankful and, we're gonna talk about current events, we're gonna talk about kind of their decision to put their podcast on hi hiatus and, and all that stuff.

SPEAKER 1: So, and we're gonna talk about content creation, the hobby, What's next and, and all that good stuff we're gonna talk about, you know, the elephant in the room if you will, you know, Rob Gerard and mega bidding and, and some of the fallout, and how it affects, you know, one person's actions can, you know, we don't think about it all the time like that, but one person's actions can affect other people that are affiliated or around you.

SPEAKER 1: So, we'll weigh in on, on that as well. So, with that being said, let's get this show started.

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SPEAKER 1: Excited anytime I have the next two gentlemen on the podcast that I've gotten to know him, fairly well, well enough to call them friends and happy to have mom. We're gonna talk about something I'm not necessarily excited about, but get their perspectives on it. Tony Naz from Cousin. Good morning and welcome.

SPEAKER 3: Good morning, Mr John Newman. Thank you for having us on. We kinda hung up the mics but we're back for, you know, to see, you know, if we can give our perspective a as to why we, we did what we did. So we appreciate you reaching out to us and bringing us on.

SPEAKER 3: So we're gonna try to, you know, give the best perspective we can as, as to what went down and where we're at in our collecting journeys.

SPEAKER 3: But man, listen, I just want to say, I call you Big John Studd for a reason that intro that you have is always epic. You always go above and beyond. So you're the man brother.

SPEAKER 1: Thank you. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER 1: Tony, any first words before, before we get?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. So, again, thank you for having us. This is the, our version of the coach. Ok. Farewell, farewell tour. I think we're gonna try to milk this as much as we can to, get on as many podcasts as, as we can and just talk our stuff that way.

SPEAKER 1: You're not hanging up the mic, you're just using them on other people. The mics are still there. They're not hung up.

SPEAKER 3: We don't have to prepare anything. We just show up, you know, now it's not work.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that, that's, that's fun most of the time. As long as you, you, you know, you like who you're talking to.

SPEAKER 1: Like you guys, alluded to you, you recently announced, on the show that, at least, yeah, I'll call a hiatus.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I, I never say, I like to say, never say never. It's not my line, but you've heard it before, when I heard the show and, and heard that, I get, I, I from someone who does it. I, I'd be lying if I said I didn't understand it a little, you know, I know what you, what this entails and the, the, how it works and, and how we can feel certain days.

SPEAKER 1: But from a selfish point of view, I was sad and disappointed because I enjoy your show. I've said that to you many times how you do things is different than a lot of the shows that, that we do have. So from AAA selfish point of view and I know I probably speak for a lot of other people to not necessarily what, what you wanted to hear coming out of, of your car stereo speakers when, when I heard it.

SPEAKER 1: And so I, you know, you guys are, you, you guys know this, you're welcome on the show anytime, whether you're, you're not doing your show, you're doing your show, you bring the show back. But I definitely reached out to you to, you know, say congratulations on, on a great run and, you know, have you on, let's, let's talk about this because I think it's important, right?

SPEAKER 1: So I guess that'll be really the, the lead in question here is talk about that process and how you guys came to ultimately that decision that to kind of put the mics down, at least for now.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, for, for me, I, I it just kind of became a grind, you know, we we've been doing this for, for two years nonstop.

SPEAKER 3: Sometimes some weeks it was like 34 times we were recording and, you know, it was a lot. But I mean, the hobby was on fire, everything was great.

SPEAKER 3: You know, we were willing to put in that sacrifice just cause, you know, we're, we're into this, we're collectors. We've always been collectors.

SPEAKER 3: So we wanted to really chronicle our journey and, and really, you know, just try to put our spin on things.

SPEAKER 3: You know, there were some things we agreed with some things we didn't. So it's like, you know, why can't we go out there and put our opinion and, and say, you know, yeah, that's cool. But, you know, we really don't agree with this and, and like I said, just put our story out there, our spin on it and for two years, man, we were going hot and heavy.

SPEAKER 3: And I know a couple of times, you know, Tony and I, it would be, we normally would record, it, had to change our recording schedule just because of work and, and life and, and things like that. So Sundays became every time we would record. So once Sunday rolls around, we're both scrambling trying to figure out, OK, what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER 3: What are we gonna talk about? And it's like, man, I have no idea and it'd be like 30 minutes before the show and we're, we're scrambling, trying to think of topics. I dude, I got nothing, you know. So then I'm going back to my old notes. I'm, I'm going on Instagram.

SPEAKER 3: I'm trying to get, you know, Tony's doing the same thing and it, it, it just became that grind like, dude, you know, we, we kinda, he was like, dude, I got nothing, you know, a couple of weeks ago and I was like, neither do I and I said, you know, let's just play hooky, you know, let's not say nothing. We just don't put out an episode and nobody said anything. And I was just like, you know what?

SPEAKER 3: I think it's time, man. I think it's time. I, I really didn't, it felt like I, I, it didn't hurt me to miss that doing that episode that week. So any other time, dude, I would be upset like I'll be mad. Damn, you know, we, we had a streak.

SPEAKER 3: We were, you know, always on it. We never missed and we were proud of that and when we missed that one show and it, it really didn't, you know, do anything to me. I was like, man, II, I think it's time to, to hang it up. What do you think? Tom?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. And John, you mentioned that our show is a little different. Like we couldn't, we've, I don't know if it's been on purpose, but we, we stay away from like hobby news stuff. A lot of people do that. Like, you guys have Hobby News Daily. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 4: So, I didn't, it wasn't gonna be Hobby News Daily. Light or something like that. Yeah. I mean, we always look like for our own little path in, in the hobby and, and we've both slowed down as far as making purchases. We don't set up at shows. So, that's a big part of the hobby that, and a big aspect of the hobby that goes on that we frankly don't get into.

SPEAKER 4: I have no idea what the pulse of the dealers are cause I'm not out there, you know, I, I don't know what, what the, the customer that, what, what that relationship is like between the dealer and the customer because I'm usually just, a customer.

SPEAKER 4: But, so that's a big aspect of the show that we just don't talk about. It was always just about our, our journey where we, where we're at, what are we doing? What's, what's we have next?

SPEAKER 4: And once you slow down, it's kinda like, yeah, we're just gonna go on the air and just kinda just piddle around and make no sense, waste the waste the listeners time and our time, if nothing of quality is gonna come out of it where before when we're buying and transacting, we, we're able to talk about our experiences with dealers, our experience with trying to find deals, things like that.

SPEAKER 4: So I just thought about it. I'm like, man, I really don't want to waste the listeners' time and, and that's kind of, you know, maybe we, maybe we did for a bunch of episodes. But, but we made you laugh along the way. So just when, when that happens and, and I says, like, you know, when it becomes a grind and it's not fun anymore, it, then that's when it's time to hang it up.

SPEAKER 4: I mean, you know, we don't, we've never made a cent off of the show, you know, despite what people may think that podcasters are millionaires. That's very far from the truth. So, so, but, yeah, so it was just kind of that.

SPEAKER 4: And, so, like I said, maybe goodbye, like I said on the show, maybe it's goodbye for now. Maybe not forever. But so basically that, that was it, you know, on once we started slowing down and, and, you know, we can talk about it, what we've learned along the way that you didn't, you don't have to be in the fast lane in the hobby.

SPEAKER 4: It's more, it, a hobby should be a slow burn. Not, you know, every day picking up things and moving things for some people. It is. And that's great. That's not how we went about it, you know, because we kind of just, I would say we fill up the piggy bank and then we empty it out and, and we fill it back up.

SPEAKER 4: So, there was definitely a lot more stuff coming in than going out. So, you know, eventually you gotta, you gotta save up the, the, the loot to, to make that happen if you're not gonna be moving your cards and, and we didn't, we just don't move a lot of cards once they get here, they kinda stay here for, for quite some time.

SPEAKER 4: And I mean, I can tell you he basically did like a, I don't know, 20 or 30 car, 50 cars, I don't know what it was for one. So once you do that, you know, what, what are you gonna do? You have to just hit the reset button again.

SPEAKER 1: So, yeah, guys, I first off, I, I appreciate you here. You know, people who listen to podcasts think, you know, you just turn the mic on talk for an hour and that's it, you know, and obviously the three of us know it's a little more than that, a lot more than that.

SPEAKER 1: And I know you guys, even from the Bobby hotline days, you guys are attention to detail, even more than I am and I think I am, but I think you trump me in that category for sure. So all the work, like, like I said, the, the research, right? Because when you talk about something right, you wanna be as, as factually correct as you can be.

SPEAKER 1: I know, we've all been, you know, we've all said something we thought was accurate and it probably was maybe, not exactly that I, I know I have, I can speak for myself. So what we, we, but we try to be, you know, as close to accurate a as we can be. And that's a lot of work. You know, again, I'm not trying to have a pity party for us.

SPEAKER 1: I'm just being a, I wanna be accurate cause, you know, even myself before I got into podcasting, listening to the few that were in existence at the time, they just, those guys made it seem easy, right? Oh, you could just talk, you know, that's kinda how it even happened. I was right. We used to listen to Eric Norton in the Fat Packs Podcast.

SPEAKER 1: Me and my son, who was probably at the time 1516, 17, and he liked, he liked the show and he's like dad, all the stuff you've done in the hobby, you should do the podcast, you know, to even him, he, you know, he made it like it was easy, just turn on the mic and it isn't, you know, when you, when you do it, you realize and, and be, but not even just research, do guys, you know, editing, uploading, cutting stuff out, to, to, to make it sound as clean and as nice, A as possible.

SPEAKER 1: And here, you know, you gotta put yourself out there, you gotta share your, your personal experience. Some people are better at it, than others, I'm pretty open other than I don't like to discuss always price or how much money I made. And I'll say the show was like, very good or this was one of my best shows ever, you know.

SPEAKER 1: I don't like to give out dollar amounts for, for various reasons. Number one people and, and this is something you can kind of attest to but sometimes people, certain people can root for other people. I try to be like that and then you have a whole another section of folks that whether it's jealousy or they wanna, you know, wish it was them.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know, I'm not a psychologist but kind of get mad when someone else is doing good. All right or good. And so II I don't try to like if I have a great show, I'll talk about it but in generic terms without throwing dollar signs around and just, just cognizant that those folks are out there and I don't care, you know, they can be mad.

SPEAKER 1: There's nothing I can do about it if it's not mad at me for saying that they'll be mad at, at something else for something else. But I try to, to, you know, be conscious o of that. I mean, your take on that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that, that's definitely one thing.

SPEAKER 3: We've always been you know, Tony, like when we first started it, it's easy to like, ok, we're, we're gonna start talking about the deals that we make, you know, or, or if we did, you know, we set up at a show a couple of times.

SPEAKER 3: You know, what are we gonna put our prices at? And if we did sell how much profit we make, you know, how much detail are we gonna get into?

SPEAKER 3: And Tony was always dead set, like I don't wanna get into like the details, you know what I mean? It's just if somebody wants to slide into the D MS after the show and really get into the nitty gritty, that's fine.

SPEAKER 3: But let's just talk about the experience, talk about, you know, if we made money, we lost money. Cool, but not really give the exact amounts of it. And, you know, sometimes I was like, man, I really wanted to talk about it because you would listen to other shows and they were just like, listen, this is just what it is and this is the deal that I made and I made six hu, you know, $1000 on this one.

SPEAKER 3: And I love, you know, and sometimes a lot of people were coming in and really this was their first experience in the hobby. So they were listening to these podcasts to try to learn and, and to see exactly, you know, how do I be successful?

SPEAKER 3: Like what these guys are talking about and you know, when you're talking in generic terms, like you said, sometimes people can be like, oh, you know, you're, you're just talking out your ass, you're not really giving me anything, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: Like I know that obviously I, I wanna get the nitty gritty. I know. I wanna know how I walk up to somebody, how to approach them. You know, if I got a car that's worth this amount of money, you know, or if they have a car, how much should I ask for and in specific percentages and you know, really get into those details.

SPEAKER 3: So some shows did that. We, we didn't, you know, really concentrate on that. But like I said, we always gave the opportunity if somebody had questions just to on the download, slide into the D MS and we would, you know, always chat it up and, and give all the, all the details that way, but you never know who's listening.

SPEAKER 3: You know, we're, we're definitely not millionaires but you know, we got some nice cars, we got nice collections and you know, if we're, if we're dealing with people out there, people are getting our addresses, you know, hey, let me send you something like, you know, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER 3: And if you're out there bragging that you got a million dollar collection, you know, hey, I know we're Cousin Oz is rolling. Le let's make a swing by, you know what I mean? You never know. And your family could be at risk and, and things like that.

SPEAKER 3: So, when you put yourself out there as a persona i, in these podcasts, you know, it's, it's a catch 22. So we always chose to be, you know, on, on just a non specific when it, when it came to the deals.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, he pretty much nailed it, man. You never know. A, as fun as his hobby is. I'm always a little reluctant when people, you know that, hey, I wanna send you something. I'm like, I appreciate it but you just never know, man. You never know.

SPEAKER 4: So that's something, man when you're, that's something that I learned. You know, if you're out there listening and, and you're talking to people or transacting with people, you have no idea who anybody is. Let's be honest, man. They're just a name on Instagram, you know, or whatever. You have no idea who this person is.

SPEAKER 4: So, if you're giving out your address, you're talking specific numbers, things like that. Just man, that's, that's can be, that can be a little, a little tricky. So, just a little heads up out there about that.

SPEAKER 1: It's, listen, it's a great point, right? We, we see the store burglaries and break ins and, and at first they were happening after closing hours and now that people are getting more brazen they're going in during, during openings and tying the, the guy or, or person in the store up and, and, you know, you're dealing with money.

SPEAKER 1: Anytime there's money. I don't care what, it's not a hobby thing, it's, it's a money thing. Anytime there's anything that can be made money, someone else may wanna acquire it.

SPEAKER 1: The, the not right way. And, you know, my wife, even here as being a dealer and, and, and more so being a bulk over for STC when people's cards are back, they have to pick them up. I usually generally meet them at like a Dunkin Donuts.

SPEAKER 1: Like why like you, you know, it's funny hearing you say that I cause my wife's like, I don't want all these like people coming to the house and knowing that you have car like they know you, you're, you're a dealer. I don't want you, you know, they shouldn't know where you live.

SPEAKER 1: God forbid cause they know you probably have quite the collection and she's right and then hearing you say Tony for no doubt. So the only one that comes to my house are people like generally like really, really know, I can almost call them like, like family. I've known them 1012 years. I'm not worried about them.

SPEAKER 1: I even, even when my son was a little younger and I used to tell him like, don't tell kids in school like, you know, dad has this rookie Card or this, you know, you can say your dad's a Card collector if it comes up just, just keep it in like generic terms because, and that, you know, it may not even be the his classmate.

SPEAKER 1: But what if like his classmates talks to someone else and like, you know, you know, there may be of ill repute, you know what I mean? Or someone they know and then it just, hey, where does this person live? I'm curious, you know, it, it sounds goofy but it's, it's real. And now John.

SPEAKER 3: Listen, we have a very good friend, Danny Torres. He's a hall of fame, baseball writer. You know what I mean? He does the talking 21 podcast. He deals with baseball celebrities and celebrities just in general and he knows a lot of people and the one day he was like, hey, listen, you know, obviously I'm into Roberto Clemente. You guys are as well. I want to introduce you to my friend who's a huge Roberto Clemente collector.

SPEAKER 3: And I wanna take you to his house and he's like, but he has very specific rules and he'll let you know when you get there. But one, you know what happens at this place stays at this place. We don't want anybody knowing anything.

SPEAKER 3: So when we got there, he invited us in before we even stepped down to the basement. He was like, listen, no pictures, no video. He's like I'm not trying to be, you know, a jerk or anything like that. It's just, you never know.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I don't show this to a lot of people. So you guys are kind of lucky seeing this.

SPEAKER 3: And we walked in, it was literally a Roberto Clemente Museum in his basement.

SPEAKER 3: You know, and it was just, it was insane. So, but you have to respect the wishes of these people and you, you realize and you understand, you know what I mean? It's like you never know, even if you're an affluent neighborhood or, or wherever you are, people can just come and you, you never know what their intentions are. So yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And and it just, it just kind of makes sense, right? Just, just to avoid and even the temptation or, or you know, so you gotta be careful, there's just you, you're hearing too much about stuff like that. So I, I fully, I fully get that.

SPEAKER 1: At least he didn't Derek Jeter yet make you put your phone in the basket before he, he let you keep your phone. He just told you I appreciate it. If you don't take any, any pictures, that's an old Derek Jeter.

SPEAKER 1: So I don't know if you ever heard that guy, but it was fortunate enough to go to his house, you had to put your phone and now if I knew if I ever was invited to Derek Jeter's house, I'd have a dummy phone and when he'd asked me to do, like, hey, hey, Newman, put your phone in the back, one of those glasses like Tony has with the camera in them and just, you know, well, I put the fake phone in the basket.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I still kept the real one on. There you go, you know. But, no, it's, and you have to be careful just in, just in drone. I've had, you know, going back to like not giving actual sales figures out.

SPEAKER 1: I had someone once DM me after a show like that said, you know, Newman, what you make, I, I wanna know and I'm like, hey man, you know, like how is this you know, gonna affect your day when I tell you like, you know, and then I, you know, my humor, I'm like, all right, man, what branch of the IRS do you work in?

SPEAKER 1: The jig is up? But I didn't tell him, you know, I didn't tell him because what, like I, I really had no bear on, on his day or, you know, I just said I did very well, you know, I might have said it was four figures. That's all, you know, where four figures let your mind, you know, that's up to you.

SPEAKER 3: And the thing is John a lot, you know, the deal you specifically make is not gonna be the same as what somebody else makes and the deal you make with that, you know what I mean? So it's like you're never gonna get the same thing depending on the dealer, depending on the Card, depending on where you're at, depending on your relationship with that person.

SPEAKER 3: So it's cool to get those details. But if you're trying to say, oh man, you know, ok John had that Card and he got that. All right. Now that's the comp let me go to the show and be like, oh, I know of a comp and, and then the dealer look at you like you're crazy. You know, that'll never happen.

SPEAKER 3: It's, it's, it's tough to try to, you know, get that information and then use it. You kinda, you know, th this hobby is funny.

SPEAKER 3: It's just like you come in, you know, you've been doing it your whole life, John and, and we've been sporadic, you know, we started out as kids, took a, a long hiatus, got back into it as adults and then got hot and heavy about two years ago. Obviously when the, with the hype of the market when everybody hopped in.

SPEAKER 3: So you, you know, I i it's just, you kinda gotta play it by ear. You never really know.

SPEAKER 3: And you like this, this whole thing, what we were doing. It was almost like an education for us. And the, the main reason was like, listen, we really don't know what we're doing. We're doing our journey here and we're talking about it, but it's like, let's bring people on that actually know what the hell they're talking about.

SPEAKER 3: And then we can glean some information from them and actually, you know, do some big things in his hobby. And you were the first person, you know, I wanna thank you because you were the first person that actually had a podcast and was significant, you know, in the hobby that came on to our show and gave us a little bit of legitimacy.

SPEAKER 3: And, you know, was the springboard for what Cousins Collectibles be, you know, became. And then, you know, after that, we went to, the national two years ago, you invited us to go on stage with you, which was huge for us.

SPEAKER 3: So, you know, you've been there every step of the way you were, you know, when it comes to the Cousins Collectibles Podcast, you've been there from the very beginning and we, we, you know, from the bottom of our hearts, we, we thank you for everything you've done.

SPEAKER 3: So when you asked us to come on here, it's like, of course, no brainer, you know. So, but, you know, our whole thing that was just learning coming in and trying to just figure exactly how to work this hobby, you know, to benefit yourself. Because when you're dealing with money, you obviously wanna get the best deal.

SPEAKER 3: You know, you wanna get the best cards out there, but you don't wanna, you know, go out there and pay top dollar for things. You wanna learn the tricks, the ins and outs and that's kind of like how we, you know, maneuvered this whole thing.

SPEAKER 3: And it, it got, it got funny because a lot of people, once we got into it, you know, a year or two years later, you know, we, we would bring guests on and we would ask questions and, and try to get, you know, information from them and then we would have D MS be like, yo enough of the guests, we just wanna hear you guys and it's like, yeah, but you know, I mean, we only have so much information we're still learning.

SPEAKER 3: So if we can bring somebody on here that's actually an expert, you know, and has an expertise in, in, in a specific thing. Why wouldn't you want to know about that? You know, I know we're cool.

SPEAKER 3: We're fun and you know, and it's something to listen to. But, you know, sometimes you got to bring something of, you know, value significance to, to help you guys as a listener as well as ourselves. So it was kind of funny after a while people are like, we don't want guests, we just want to hear you.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, it's funny you say that.

SPEAKER 4: Oh no. Yeah. It's funny you say that I was gonna say that about the guests, but that's been the number one thing that I've, or, or taken from the podcast is I'm a way better collector today than I was two plus years ago.

SPEAKER 4: And it's because of the pod had, I just been kinda, may, maybe I would have learned something from watching content but I think, like, the podcast puts you in it. Like, it really takes you to another level, within the hobby.

SPEAKER 4: You have to kinda even get involved in the dra by osmosis. You know, there's drama all the time in the hobby and not that you want to get into it and you want, but it's just, it's there and you're gonna, and you can learn from that. But, yeah, man, I'm like, I mean, I've learned, I appeal, I've learned, you know, value, you know, forget what the, the, the sticker, the number on the PS A label, you know.

SPEAKER 4: So there's, there's sevens that look better than nines. You know, there's threes that look better than sixes, things like that that I've learned throughout the podcast that nobody tells you, there's no manual where you look it up on Google. Like you kinda have to learn that on your own. And that's been the, the main thing that, that I've taken from the pod.

SPEAKER 4: Going back to Oz with the guests. Yeah. Like I said, we can't, we don't, we don't know anything. Just ask our wives.

SPEAKER 4: So, you know, you gotta bring people on and, and, and just, you learn from their successes and their mistakes just as, just as we have learned from ours too. I mean, I've learned, trust me, there's a big pile of mistakes sitting off camera here that reminds me every day of, you know, sometimes take it easy.

SPEAKER 4: That's the one thing too. You know, that, that's the one thing like, you know, this, this, the show came to an end for us slowing down, but slowing down, I think helps you prevent making some mistakes when you rush and you're trying to get on the hottest thing.

SPEAKER 4: And, and you, you know, you jump in too quick, you learn real quick that the prices will eventually come down. Don't buy into that early hype, man. Those hype cycles, they're like potholes in the road, man. Just avoid those at all costs. They'll come back around the cards. Most cards are gonna, most cards are plentiful.

SPEAKER 4: You know, I know there's some outliers but for instance, the Roberto Clemente Rookie, I remember when I got it, I, I learned that there was millions of those. So why r you know, took me over a year or whatever to pick, pick one up and even to this day, I'm like, yeah, I probably could have still even waited it out and trust me, it would be a lot less today than, than what I paid years ago.

SPEAKER 4: But again, the main thing from the pie was, was just that man, I've just been and now it's funny cause like when you talk to people who have or maybe trying to start out on collecting or things like that things that now I'll tell them things I had no idea about and they're like, oh I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER 4: I'm like, yeah, man, think about this, this, this and that and you'll be OK. But again, nobody's there to hold your hand and tell you that until you kind of fall on your face a little bit and, and you learn. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: And the thing is when you, when you're dealing with pe you know, dealers in particular, they're not gonna, they wanna get, make the most amount of money that they can on the deal. So they're not gonna be like, ah, you know what, you seem like a nice kid, let me hook you up. You know, it's every once in a while, but for the most part, they're trying to get their best bang for their buck when it, when it comes to their sales.

SPEAKER 3: So they're not gonna go above and beyond for you. If you're a newbie, if anything, they'll take advantage of you. I've learned that many times over in this hobby. But John, let me ask you, man, cause you know, I, when, when, when we decided to do what we did and which is, you know, hang up the mic. So, I mean, we, first of all, I just wanna thank everybody out there that reached out to us.

SPEAKER 3: It was overwhelming. I, you know, when it was like last week I was, it was, it was amazing. And I'm like, damn, did we do the right thing? You know what I mean? There's people just reaching out, you know, I.

SPEAKER 1: Got a, I got a solution.

SPEAKER 1: I don't mean to interrupt you. I wanted, I got a possible solution.

SPEAKER 3: So I was feeling a certain type of way. I'm like, man, and then a lot of people, you know, the main question was, dude, what was the straw that broke the camel's back? Like what, you know, what was it? And then a lot of people were like, hey man, was it, was it the whole wolf pack thing?

SPEAKER 3: Was it, you know, Rob the sports car therapist, you know what happened with him and, and it had nothing to do with that, you know what I mean? That, that sucked that whole thing for us. It was, it was crappy and it, you know, I still feel bad for, for what went down and you know what I mean? I, I'm hoping that someday he can, you know, come back and, and do what he has to do and get better with his stuff.

SPEAKER 3: But from the outside looking in, you know, we had our perspective of, of what it went down, you know, when, when you're looking from afar and you saw, you know, all the drama that was going on what, what, what was your perspective of it? What were you thinking? You know, when, when in regards to the wolf pack and Rob and all that that happened at that point in time?

SPEAKER 1: I mean that this is funny. I never, I mean, I obviously I have my own thoughts. I'm gonna answer you honestly obviously cause I don't do it any other way if you noticed, if you remember back when that happened, I never brought it up to you guys.

SPEAKER 1: You know, you guys were closer to Rob, but I was friends with Rob. He invited me to Springfield and, and do the panel.

SPEAKER 1: I just tried to stay out of it and let, let the chips sort of forward and man, listen, if you would have had you asked me like, hey, what do, what do you think or what do we do here? I would have, I would have, my door was always open. I just didn't want, you know, like you're dealing with it already.

SPEAKER 1: You don't need me to like, hey, you guys are, you know, I, I was under the assumption that if you wanted to talk about it with me, you would open that door. I'm not going to try to walk through it. So I was more or less just staying on the sidelines hoping for the best outcome for. I, I don't root against people.

SPEAKER 1: I mean that's easy to do and I try not to do that. I, I'll, I'll say this. I, I, I'll root for good people. So that's why I invited you to the National onto the main stage because you guys are good. I felt bad because I knew that's how this hobby works, guys. Right. You're guilty by association. And it's not fair. It's definitely not fair.

SPEAKER 1: And so I think people will look at and it's the same thing if someone from Hobby Hotline does something and I hope it never happened.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I, I'm gonna be guilty by association even though it might be something that I can't control or have nothing to do with. And that's the unfair part about it. I didn't agree with what was done.

SPEAKER 1: But you know, no one was killed here is, he's not, it's, you know, this is not something you would be charged with and, and get jail time or probation.

SPEAKER 1: It's a bad look. I think it speaks, it's a character thing more than a criminal thing.

SPEAKER 1: You know, and I, and on the same token I didn't reach out to Rob and not cause I just, that's, you know, same deal here. If you wanted to talk about it, you say just you saw my video. Do you hear what happened? What should I do?

SPEAKER 1: Like if he wanted my input, he would ask, I don't, I don't know if that's a bad or good trait I have but I don't, I don't force my way in my door is open if someone wants me to be in, but I'm just not good, you know, and I had people, listen, I'm not gonna lie to you. I had other people not involved in, in that non wolf pack. People say John, do you see what happened?

SPEAKER 1: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, and they're just people who like drama. Like what do you think? And I'm like, listen, man, I, I don't, you know, I'm not gonna, I don't know what you want me to say. I don't agree with what happened. That's as far as I'll go. I know Rob, I don't think he's an ax murderer.

SPEAKER 1: You know, same thing I just said but as far as other, other than that, I'm not gonna get that involved unless so I'm gonna request that I'm not gonna like go there unless I'm invited there type of deal. And so that was my take and, you know, I, I don't even think I talked about it on any of my shows.

SPEAKER 1: And people were making jokes and, and that this is people's lives, man. I don't know about joking. I'll joke as much as the next guy. You guys know that I, I like to have fun but there's a time and place for those type of moments and that wasn't the time or place. So, you know, and, and I had someone say you got your friend, you know, you're friends with Tony Nas.

SPEAKER 1: Did you talk to him? And I said, you know, no, not about that. You know what I mean? That's, that's their business. If they wanna reach that subject, they'll tell me they ju, you know, so that's, that was my stance and, and, and point of view and I think it's easy to pile on. Right.

SPEAKER 1: I think the hobby likes drama and they like to, you know, it's like a football pile up. They like to be the eighth or ninth guy, on the pile, you know, poking, you know, trying to reach down and poke through a helmet and get an eye and I just, it's two week. You see, I, I'm not gonna go there.

SPEAKER 1: I, I knew most of the people I involved. I don't know everybody in the wolf pack. I know you guys can, and, and Rob for the ma, you know, and, it just wasn't my place to, to, to, to talk about it, you know, I, I, it wasn't good, you know, you wish you were talking, there was something else more positive going on.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, you know, I just wasn't gonna get involved without whether it be Rob or you guys or whoever, you know, that was involved or at least directly or indirectly. You know, I got plenty of D MS that say, hey, John, what do you think of this. Are you gonna talk, are you gonna do? You know I had even peoples, are you gonna do a sh go on this?

SPEAKER 1: Like no, if I'm, and if I did, I'd better have Rob or someone on that's, that's, you know, than me just turning on the mic and, and going off on it when frankly, I don't know all the details. Sure, you know, Rob can give his side and, and I'm not saying he wasn't telling the truth.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, II, I just wasn't going to put myself in, in that, mix when it wasn't my place to do it. It's just, and people like that they want, you know, I think there's, when that story happened, I was sad and disappointed because I knew it wasn't gonna be good.

SPEAKER 1: There's nothing really, there was gonna be no real good outcome. I also knew let's be real that the hobby is forgiving, but sometimes it takes a while. So I knew, you know, the initial, the, the, the, the, the front part of that was, was gonna be brutal.

SPEAKER 1: And as a human, I felt for Rob and then I felt for everybody in, in the wolf pack that was going to be sort of, again, that guilty by association line, which is true. I've seen it. Not just, that's not, again, that's not, you know how a lot of the hobby stuff is, comes from life. Stuff and people are, are like that in, in life, right?

SPEAKER 1: And so, you know, I just wish the best outcome, you wish it never happened to first, but that you can't put the genie back in the bottle as they say. So my take was I was gonna just stay on the sidelines until I was asked not to be on the sidelines, you know, until coach said get not, you're in, you know, we wanna talk about this.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, and that was really, that was my take on it, but I also knew that people were gonna be wrongly, sort of, kind of lumped in there when they had nothing to do with it. And, and that was, to me that was even the, the saddest part.

SPEAKER 1: You know what I mean? Like if I did something, people who are close to me are gonna be caught up in that, that tide pool. And that's the sad part. That's why I try not to just be, try to be a good person in general, but you got to also keep them cognizant of the fact that, you know what you do, right?

SPEAKER 1: It affects your family, it affects your closest friends. And, that's the unfortunate, you know, part of, of, you know, of what you do is, is you, you have to be careful because it's not just you, that's gonna be i in the middle of it. So that's my take, I don't, I'm not a hateful guy.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I haven't talked, you know, full transparency. I haven't talked to Rob.

SPEAKER 1: I've given him space if he wanted to talk to me, he text me or call me.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not mad that he hasn't either, you know, I mean, I, I'll say this if it was me. I don't know how many people I would reach out to if not all. So I don't take that personally. Oh, well, you know, it's, it's, he's probably got a lot even now, like many months later.

SPEAKER 1: He's probably, still feeling some of those repercussions and, and listen, you know, someone say, well, John, you know, he brought that, I get it. I get it. But I'm not the, the jury here.

SPEAKER 1: The hobby in a sense becomes the jury. That might be good and it might be both bad too. So that's, that's sort of my, stance.

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SPEAKER 1: We, batch now, I, I wanna say this pertaining, to you guys. You know, when, when you made that announcement. I didn't think that was the reason and, but if it was, I would tell you like, you know, no, you know. No, that's you, you didn't do anything wrong.

SPEAKER 1: Y you know, we, we should be responsible for what we do, not for, what others do, you know. And, that's, I was, I, I didn't think it was the reason but I was hoping, it wasn't either. You know, you, you mentioned, odds about people like, hey, like grass are great, but we want to just hear you guys.

SPEAKER 1: It's funny here when you say that because that's where, how the, the show I do how be quick hits, which 90% of the time is, is just me rambling on. It's the shortest show 2025 minutes, rambling on about a topic. It, it could be whether it could be a show review, it could be, I do a legends of the Hobby season.

SPEAKER 1: You know, it could be anything. It's just me and that show was born from like, hey, we love the guest, but we want you again. And I didn't do it at first because I'm like, nah, you know, less of me and more guests is the recipe. And I always joke and say that line because I really believe it. I'm like self depreciating.

SPEAKER 1: But I think, you know, we learn more from each other. So regardless of how long you've been in a hobby or, or, or, or not. So, that's where hobby quick hits came from. So, I get that. So, here's my solution that I, alluded to earlier rather than hang them up. Right. Maybe do two shows in a month. Right. Do one show with a guest and do, like, I and I do it every week.

SPEAKER 1: Well, hobby Quick. It's now with Card matches. It's every, every other week. So, well, what about doing two shows a month? One you have a guest on and one is just you guys. And then I think it takes a little bit.

SPEAKER 1: Excuse me, it takes a little bit still a grind. I don't wanna like pu it, it's less of a grind, a little less work. It still frees up your schedule to, to let life more back in. And, you still, you still for people who love cousins collectibles, like as I do and others, you, you still exist, not that you don't exist now, but you still exist in, in coming through speakers. What do you think?

SPEAKER 3: I like it?

SPEAKER 3: I like it, you know. Well, first things first, you know, getting back to the whole Rob situation.

SPEAKER 3: One thing I want to get out there, the wolf pack was not a conglomerate of show bidders, you know, doing Rob's bidding, to go ahead and, you know, making money. So that, that's what it wasn't that it was just a bunch of what I say, middle aged men, some younger than us.

SPEAKER 3: There's some older, but we all had a passion for collecting and we all connected and, you know, we just came together and it just started out as just talking in the D MS, talking to cars, just raw and having fun cracking jokes.

SPEAKER 3: And then it was like, you know what, we should just, you know, let, let's give us, give ourselves the name, you know, it was just all fun and humor, give ourselves a name and then we could start doing shows and, and it kinda, you know, went from there.

SPEAKER 3: But what, what, you know, if anything, when that happened to Rob, the way it affected us and the wolf pack in general, Rob was kind of like our cheerleader, like every day, you know, somebody was releasing an episode and first thing in the morning you get ad M from Rob. Oh dude, great show. You know, he'd be the first one to listen.

SPEAKER 3: He'd get, you know, but it wasn't like bull crap. He, he'd be like, oh, I like that part where, you know, you talked about this, he would give specifics. So, you know, he was listening. I know he listened at like almost like two times speed so he would get through everybody's stuff real quick.

SPEAKER 3: But he would, at least, you know, he would give you feedback like immediately every day and it kind of kept you going. Like when you were uncertain or unsure of what you just put out and you weren't really getting any feedback. You, Rob was always there to be, like I said, our cheerleader and, and keep that momentum going.

SPEAKER 3: So if, if anything that not being there, maybe, you know, has contributed to us, you know, cause you don't, sometimes, you know, as a podcaster, you don't have some, some weeks you get a ton of feedback and other weeks you don't get anything. So it's like, am I reaching anybody?

SPEAKER 3: Is this just like, are we just doing this? Like I said, we're not getting paid. So why are we really doing this? And so with Rob being there and, and really, you know, being our backbone that kinda, you know, now that I think about it that might, might have contributed to where we kinda after that like slow down a little bit.

SPEAKER 3: But the funny thing is, you know, you're talking about coming back and, and doing this, but our biggest de detractor or at least my biggest detractor was my wife when it came to this thing cause I, you know, I took time away from my family and from her and when I finally told her, hey, you know what, I'm, you know, we're hanging up the mics.

SPEAKER 3: She was so she was so upset. She was disappointed. She's like, what are you talking about? Are you serious after all this time, you know, doing this crap now you wanna give it up, you know?

SPEAKER 3: And I was like, well, yeah, you know, I thought you'd be happy. She's like, no, you know, that, that's your thing. That's you and Tony's thing. Why are you gonna give it up? Do something you could talk about anything?

SPEAKER 3: So I'm sure, you know what I mean? I, it's funny, like I said, a after hearing from everybody and now you're saying what we could do to, to try to keep it going. You know? At least my biggest detractor.

SPEAKER 1: Here's the thing, you can set the schedule, you know, whether that was just one thing I threw out there, do two shows a month, one guest, one just you guys, right? You maybe, you know, you determine, hey, we'll go every other month.

SPEAKER 1: This month we have a guest next month. That's, that's the beauty of podcasting is you determine that, you know, for, for me, Hobby quick. K was every week and then me and Danny did that Card matches and it, it, people liked it.

SPEAKER 1: And I said, hey, we'll just go every other week and the week is no Card matches. There's Hobby quick. Its, the week is hobby quick. Its, there's no Card matches, you know, and I, I'll share this. I haven't really shared this publicly and Danny had asked me like, what about Card matches every week? And I'm like, no, I love you. I love you daddy. I do.

SPEAKER 1: But it's too much like, the bloom will come, the bloom might come off the rose anyway.

SPEAKER 1: But that will just make it happen sooner. I think one of the reasons, you know, I, I think we're funny. We're both ugly looking guys. So I think it makes people, hey, I'm not that bad looking. Look at these two guys, but I think the fact that we're, every other week it gives someone like they miss it the week.

SPEAKER 1: It's not there and then they look forward to it. Hey, it's back. If we were every week, it's sort of, these two guys to get, you know, so I, you know, that's my take on it. I don't know if I'm right or wrong. There's probably some truth, in there.

SPEAKER 1: So you can set, you know, you can set your own schedule to, you know, like an, like any podcaster does like this shows on Tuesday, this show's on Friday. This show is gonna be every other Monday or, you know, however you want, do it that way. Life can still, obviously happen. You can enjoy it.

SPEAKER 1: You can keep wives and, and kids.

SPEAKER 1: You know, you're not in their dog house, as well. And, you know, it's, it's, it's funny hearing you, you know, say how your wife kind of was like, hey, well, you know, because I, you know, that's a supportive wife. Right. That's a wife that knows that, you know, how important it is to you. Right. My wife doesn't listen to the show. She doesn't know anything about cards. Right.

SPEAKER 1: But she's supportive in the fact that I get to do it and she allows me, I don't wanna say, allows me, like, I'm, you know, she's the warden and I can go out and play in the yard and shoot some hoops before I gotta get back to myself. But, you know, she's supportive and she's never like, stopped me and, and, you know, I've, I've talked about this before.

SPEAKER 1: We have like a dry erase counter that's downstairs. And the only thing she asked is like, anything you, whether it be a Card show or you're traveling or you're doing an interview, just put it on the calendar. So I know what that, that's what you're doing that day. I won't schedule anything that's with you, you know.

SPEAKER 1: And since I've done that, which has been a couple of years now, it's even been smoother sailing. So, you know, I i it's the old line, right? Communication. Communication is probably one of the most important things. But again, from a selfish point of view, guys, I'd love to see you still do what you do.

SPEAKER 1: You know, there's a reason I invited you, on the main stage at the, at an early point, you know, you're pretty new, but I saw that you guys kept it real. You were having fun and I think a lot of people feel that way. I'm not, you know, what's the guy's name that, discovers all the boy band guys?

SPEAKER 1: I don't know. I, I forget it but, you know, I think it's, I think people see when they see something, when someone's genuine that there's the other guy, the other guy that be the heavier set guy with the other guy.

SPEAKER 3: That day he found in Sync and Backstreet Boise was like molesting everybody. That guy.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but not that part. But you know, I didn't even know about that but, but, but you know, I think, I think you can, you, you know, you can adjust your schedule rather than, you know, completely go cold turkey. I mean, but again, that's your decision. I'm not, you know, that's just someone who enjoys the show, throwing a potential, you know, think about this type of deal out there.

SPEAKER 4: We'll have to talk to the powers that be. But like Oz's wife needs a show like like you know, Batman needs a joker to something like that.

SPEAKER 4: But John, I wanna ask you, you know, just heaven forbid we actually talk about cars cause there's 22 things that are grinding my gears that I wanna ask you in the millions of, of hobby hot.

SPEAKER 4: You know, Hobby Hotline. Look at that man, the sports car nation out there.

SPEAKER 4: So, the first thing is, I saw, you know, the new Tops releases out and they, I think they have 30 or 31 parallels. They, they, they show Bryce Harper and it's, it's all this stuff and I'm like, when is, this is too much for me. Like, that's just 31 parallels.

SPEAKER 4: And, I mean, I don't know, man, like, the hobby is just like, they just keep hitting us over the head with a hammer and we're just like, yeah, just give me like, we're like the, you know, the Mole game where you at that mo Yeah, man. And I'm like, come on, man, like that, that is crazy.

SPEAKER 4: So one is just your take on that and the other one too is, Oz always talks about these, these hobby cycles where it like, is it really that predictable? Like, you know, you buy at this season and then you sell at that season and then just repeat and, you know, all the time. And I'm like, who are these people that keep buying this stuff? And why is it so predictable?

SPEAKER 4: I mean, like, like I said, like right now there, everybody's buying these little quarterbacks and they hide them and then come July, they selling them off and people buy them and then they get stuck with them and then they come back again the next year and do it again. Like, it's just, I don't know, man, like why?

SPEAKER 4: Like, I don't know, maybe is there any, I don't even think of, there's a show out there educating and I mean, again, not everybody listens to podcasts but just like these breaking these hobby cycles and being a little bit more educated because I mean, I, I just more often than not, they're there are, they're pretty much impulsive buys in my opinion and uninformed buys cause I mean, you're buying it at the, the peak of the hype and there's nothing that those players are gonna be able to do to, to make those cards, you know, 234 X.

SPEAKER 4: I mean, let's look at Patrick Mahomes now the guys won, you know, tons of Super bowls. But I don't, I are his cards selling more expensive now than they were when, when the first hype cycle came around. Probably not. I, I don't know but just why, why do we keep seeing this over and over and over again? And there's no, there's no end in sight.

SPEAKER 1: So my first, the answer to your first question, that's why I don't open a lot of new wax anymore. Quite frankly, Tony.

SPEAKER 1: I do have a tradition. I open up at least one box of Flagship just cause I've done it for 40 years. It's like it's a hard habit to break.

SPEAKER 1: What's that.

SPEAKER 4: Now, John, what's that? What's a hobby box that for that?

SPEAKER 1: 100 120 bucks at the moment.

SPEAKER 1: But you make a great point. Those presses are probably still running. I, I can't remember what the number was but I saw what they were announced, sort of, I don't know where it came from but how many cases and boxes were being produced and it's, it's mind numbing. It's mind numbing. You know, I, I thought, please, how many trees is that? You know, the old man that cares a little bit more about stuff like that.

SPEAKER 1: There's gonna be no shortage of it. You mentioned 31 different parallels and might even be more. Now, they might have added one. That's gonna be in retail.

SPEAKER 1: I opened a box because I've done it since 1980. That's it. Not that I think it's gonna, you know, I'm gonna make a mint of it at the box. I open this year. I actually did well on, I, I kind of posted a couple of those cards nine times out of 10.

SPEAKER 1: Let's be real. Not the case. This was that one time out of 10 next year in 2025. God willing. I'm still here. I'll probably be like, hey, look at my Greg Jeffries Retro factor, that's $8. That was my biggest hit, you know, out of the box.

SPEAKER 1: So I don't open it necessary for the financial aspect. It's just the nostalgia aspect. There is a a method to the madness as far as buy. Like I, I would tell you this, I, if I'm buying football guys that I think are, are poised to have better years or, or continue on a, on a trend, I I'll buy it after the season's over.

SPEAKER 1: When the hype is, is died down to buy during the hype is just, you're gonna, you're gonna cost yourself money and you know, why, why should you, should you do that? You mentioned Mahomes you, it's a good point. He hasn't really seen a huge jump, especially winning the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER 1: But he's a guy I love because I think he's when his career is over barring like a catastrophic injury, you know, there's gonna be, you know, we talk about Brady Montana. It's gonna be Mahomes and, and Brady conversation. I think it's, you can already start making that case guys. As crazy as that sounds in his eighth in his eighth year o of, of playing.

SPEAKER 1: So, and so he's got, you know, 8 to 10 more years, but even maybe another year or two there, he's gonna win. I'd be shocked if he don't win another one or two rings.

SPEAKER 1: And so he's gonna be in that conversation. So he's a guy I look at and if there's a deal or something I think is too low, I'll buy it. I'll kind of put it away. I won't even put it out in my show inventory. Like if you, I have my homes out in my cases, but not everyone that I own to, to be, you know, you know, transparent about it.

SPEAKER 1: So, this strategy, I mean, but, you know, stuff can go off script to you know, as much as we can pre you know, when the, when the pandemic was about to hit, I was on this show say, hey, cards are gonna take a backseat.

SPEAKER 1: You know, life is gonna go and look at how wrong I wa was and that was with 30 something years at the time.

SPEAKER 1: You know, talking, so, you know, just when, you know, it's like the old MTV for the Real World, you think, you know? But you don't know. Right. It's, it's that for, for the hobby. And I always say that when I like, hey, I think this, but let's see, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 1: And I, I, my, one of my favorite things I hear from podcasters is and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but maybe there's a little bit of that in whatever in my three years since I've been in the hobby. I, I figured it all out and I'm sitting there thinking I'm 40 years and I haven't figured it all out.

SPEAKER 1: You did it in three, you're like the men a guy of, of the hobby, you know. So, it's, y you, no one has the, the, the complete combination but you, you do it long enough, you see certain things, right. That's so there's my answer to that and, and buying in the off season, that's not rocket science.

SPEAKER 1: I, I didn't have to like, pull up analytics and charts and do a college research paper on it. That's just more common sense. Right? You buy, it's supply and demand, you buy stuff when it's less in demand and then you sell it when it's man. If that's, if you're a seller, right? That's just economics. 101.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's just like I said, we all, we see these same cycles. I don't, I just like, man, is it really that predictable? I'm like, yeah, it is.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, by the way it is.

SPEAKER 1: But it is. But every once in a while you, you know, something throws you a Curveball like holy shit. There's an outlier.

SPEAKER 3: But II I figured out the guy, it's Lou Perlman.

SPEAKER 1: Lou Perlman. That's it.

SPEAKER 1: The one guy I will say that I'm better looking than he. I, I don't know if he's, he's still alive.

SPEAKER 3: So he actually, he passed away in 2016.

SPEAKER 1: Ok. So I definitely better looking at the moment. But you know, but going back to that, it's just my point is, you know, I saw very early on and not that I'm proper but that who you guys were. What you were about and I said, what I try to do with that main stage, even, even if, you know, guys I had on, even after you guys is have people who love the hobby passionate about it.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and, and, you know, put some shine on, on them and I'm fortunate that I get to do that, right? I'm blessed in that respect. So, so that, that's why, that you, you know, I know you thank me, but that's why I do it. And, you know, thank yourselves for, for being those folks.

SPEAKER 1: And, and that's why we don't want you to, to really go away, maybe cut back and schedule, you know, and, you know, one or two shows a month instead of 4 to 6. And, you know, it is, I get it though, man, I get the gri, recently in like the last couple of years I've learned some editing tricks and stuff to really sort of save me some time and I figured it out. I think I posted this some months back.

SPEAKER 1: I think I did. I spend about, and this includes like Card shows, an average about 90 minutes, a day, in the hobby. And that's not even, that's not just contact rating just in the hobby combined. Like one day might be three hours and the next day might be zero. So that's where the hour and a half comes in and when you when you break that down, I think it's 8%.

SPEAKER 1: Of my, my life is hobby and most people would, if I full disclosure, most people said, hey, how much of John's life is hobby? Most people are gonna guess more than 8%. And I get it. I, I don't think that person or get mad.

SPEAKER 1: I understand why they would think that when you're doing three or four shows and you're doing, setting up that show and, and, and all that, I, I get where they would think, but it's really at the end of, at the end of it, I in accuracy, it's around 8 to 10. I'll even, I'll, I'll do the s hyphen. It's around 8 to 10%. If I have a show that week, we'll make it a, a 10% of my life. And I've just learned, I wanna say tricks.

SPEAKER 1: I've just learned techniques and, and different things to, you know, I use audacity as a, as an editor for, for, for content. I downloaded it and just, I didn't read instructions. I like the mail, you know, I don't need instructions. I got this right. But the editing process was taking me a long time. And so I said, you know what, I'm gonna go on YouTube.

SPEAKER 1: I, you can, you know, we all know it right? Every, you can find out anything on YouTube. So I'm like audacity tutorial and it was a 20 minute video and I watched it, I sat there and watched it. I took some notes and watching that 20 minute video. Save me. I'm not making this up three hours each week right there.

SPEAKER 1: So the 20 minute one time investment in my notes led to two or three more hours a week and that number getting low, that that percentage of the life number getting lower and even some of my posts, I'm, I'm, I've, I've been very transparent about some of the posts that I post are scheduled. I use a thing called buffer.

SPEAKER 1: So I, I load the post in and I say, you know, every Monday at 10 o'clock run, hey, catch up the, the hobby release schedule and hobby quick. It, right. I'm not doing that every week. I'm doing that one time and automating it. And someone said, oh, man, that's lazy. No, I think that's kind of smart. I'm still doing, but rather than doing it 10 times, I'm doing it once and making it go 10 times.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, different things like that have helped me, time wise. And if I want, if I didn't figure those things out or learn about those things, Tony and Oz, I might be like, man, this, you know, I, I gotta cut down or I gotta stop and, and I'm glad I found, you know, I, I talked about this on my show and, and before, we're in the two seventies.

SPEAKER 1: Now, for this show episode, what, when I was in the forties and fifties, it was becoming a pro an issue. Again I'm a very, I came down from up here one day and my wife said, who are you? And I, you know, I'm like, look at her. She was, oh, she goes, oh, it's nice to see you how long you're gonna be down for, you know, and then it really hit home like I'm spending too much time.

SPEAKER 1: Like I, and, and when you're in it you don't, sometimes you need someone else like to do that and she did it in a sort of funny, sarcastic way, but the message was still was received, right? I gotta figure out a better schedule. So it's not as time consuming.

SPEAKER 1: And I, I tweak some stuff even then, and, you know, and then we added that, that dry race board schedule. I learned audacity better buffering to kind of do automated posting and different things like that. And I, and I, I always say if anyone ever has questions, I, I, I'll be more than happy to share that.

SPEAKER 1: So it's not a secret. These are, you know, buffer is a major app. It's not like it's, I invented it and I'm using it only, you know, Someone else told me about it. That's how I found out. So, different things like that can free up, your schedule and then just yourself. Right. Say, hey, this is what I'm gonna spend today and, and stick to that.

SPEAKER 1: Right. You know, I make, I'm a less guy like a to do list guy. So here's my, today's one, you know, so I cross it off and I'm done and then I sat like, in a lot of time if I don't finish, I obviously do the more pertinent stuff first and then if I don't finish, I will get to it.

SPEAKER 1: Tomorrow.

SPEAKER 1: That's just, that's just what works for me. Everyone's got a different technique. It's not my ways right in your ways wrong and my ways, right for me may not be right for someone else. Vice versa. So that's always sort of been how I balance stuff out and, and life's important guys.

SPEAKER 1: You got kids, your dad, your husbands as, as am I, you know, I always joke, you know, when we're not here anymore, right. There's, there's gonna be nothing on my headstone that says pretty good podcast. All right. If, if anything, I hope it says, beloved dad, husband, brother, whatever.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and that, you know, someone asked me, do you have any pet peeve hobby or content? Pet peeves? And I guess it's people who think, like, you know, I don't like, I'm not a celeb. I might be a hobby celeb. I didn't even think that. But, you know, I've been called that.

SPEAKER 1: But I'm not a celebrity. Like I go to, I go to my shop. I, you're not a celebrity until you go to your supermarket. And someone says, oh, my God, it's you? Like, I can't work. What do you do? Like, you know what I mean? So, and people may know me in the hobby. But, like, but I think there are people who think, like, they're legit known, like, past the hobby when, when they're not even.

SPEAKER 1: And that, you know, I don't wanna say it bothers me, but I always get a chuckle out of it and think that's just goofy stuff. Like that's more of a, it doesn't affect me. So why should you know what I mean? I'm not gonna sleep about it.

SPEAKER 1: But I always think it's kind of funny, you know, and, you know, if I'm on a show and the, and the host, like, says, hey, hobby expert, I always, like, say I'm not an expert, I'm experienced and I know the words are similar experience, expert. I'm not an expert, but I just have a lot of experience. So, you know, that's just, just my soapbox that, that I'm, I'll get down off it right now.

SPEAKER 4: But listen, II, I hear all that but you have obviously never walked through a crowd with cuts and odds of people's mailman.

SPEAKER 4: And we have to have like a circle around, you know, at least a 5 ft circle in diameter to keep all the people away because they all just want to get, get at the mailman.

SPEAKER 3: So get a piece, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Well, you know, you know what they say the mailman delivers. Right.

SPEAKER 1: And, and listen, I get it, you know, I, I told the story, I was online once for the Tops Q and A and I was talking to Logan and Val Mars, you know, you guys, you know who they are. And I was talking to them and the guy tapped me on the shoulder. I, I'll, I'll tell the story real quick because I've told him numerous times. I turned around and the guy said, hey, are you John Newman?

SPEAKER 1: And you know, my humor, I'm like, well, are you, you're not with the, your FBI, are you? He goes, no, and I go, I am he goes, oh, I recognize your voice, man. I love you, Sean. I listen to it all the time. I never seen you. I don't know what you look like till just now. So I asked to like, and I was like completely like taking aback like holy crap.

SPEAKER 1: Someone recon one thing if you recognize my ugly face is not like it, but literally my voice, which I, I actually don't like my own voice. I think a lot of people would, would say that. But to think like someone right standing in line who doesn't know what I look like just by voice. I'm like that was insane. And man, I'm not gonna lie. I made my day like that's crazy to me.

SPEAKER 1: And you, you, you don't know. And here's the other thing I'll say with, with podcast and I, and I don't want, you know, I'm blow this subject but you, you don't realize the impact you have. I did two shows with my dad, which weren't actually my most downloaded episodes, but they were the most feedback episodes like, hey, and again, I'll, I'll make this story very short.

SPEAKER 1: It, it's, you know, I had people reach out, they had a strange relationships with their father some double digit years, some 34 years. It said at the hearing that. So John, I'm calling my dad up today even though he's wrong and I was right, at least in, in their minds, I'm, I'm gonna blink first. He's getting older. I don't know how much lo you know, longer he's gonna be around.

SPEAKER 1: It's stupid what, whatever it is, we're mad at each other for ST your episode made me realize that I'm I didn't when I did those episodes, I want, I want, I just want to talk about Brooklyn Dodgers and Evans Field and Jackie, I in Duke Schneider and Roy Campanella. I had no idea that was gonna come of it. That was a like a cherry on top of, of, of that.

SPEAKER 1: And what it taught me that those particular episodes is, you never know what kind of impact your conversations may have. And it, it doesn't have to be like repairing a family relationship. It can be teaching someone something in the hobby or, or saving somebody, some money with some advice. Right. And we, we can't belittle those things.

SPEAKER 1: We really like, we don't have to pat ourselves on the back necessarily, but we need to recognize that that's the kind of impact we can have. And sometimes in, in my case, by accident with those episodes with my dad, I, I'm not gonna sit here and lie and say that's what I was going for. I was, I wasn't thinking anything along those lines. I'm glad that it happened and, and that's AAA nice life thing about it.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, that wasn't, you know what I was thinking or my dad for that matter, we're just talking about Brooklyn and the Dodgers and, and, and cards back in the day. But from that, Burt, something else that was a, a good thing. And so I always tell any podcasters and I remind myself, right, that that kind of stuff can, can come of it.

SPEAKER 1: And so when you stop doing that, right, you sort of lose, you lose that. I don't mean, don't lose it. It's forever in the, the archives. Anyone can go back and listen to a Cousin's collect whatever episode they want to. But I think, you know, again, I'm gonna try to talk you back out on re, out of retirement. Right? Is you can set your own schedule if you need to cut back. People understand that.

SPEAKER 1: I sure will as someone who does this, every week. Right. So, just something that just something that, that, that you want and that I'll throw out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: And, I know we're gonna be wrapping up soon, but I did wanna say, yeah, you, you kinda touched on something there. I know, a lot of people, they listen to the hobby podcast to get either, like you said, numbers or ideas about cars or, or listen to what the hottest, car parties out there, things like that.

SPEAKER 4: But we've had some episodes where, it's like bridging either gaps. I mean, we have, there's like, I think there's like a two or three week run there where if you go back and if nobody's heard these episodes before, you hear Oz, his daughter is a big, stranger things fan.

SPEAKER 4: And so they go and they go to Florida and they, they see Millie Bobby Brown and, like, in the time when we're in it, we're just talking and I'm thinking like, now that you're, you're, you're talking about, you know, where you had the episode with your father.

SPEAKER 4: I'm like, there might have been a, a parent out there who maybe has a kind of a strained relationship with their kid or whoever it is and you hear eyes and, and, and, you know, I'm not speaking out of, he, he can tell you, like, his daughter deals with a little bit of, social anxiety.

SPEAKER 4: She's shy, things like that and he talks about it and, you know, we're, we're making jokes along the way. A, a as he's telling these stories. But if not for the podcast, if not for the hobby, we don't have that conversation.

SPEAKER 4: And, just the other day he was talking about how they were out in Penn State and they're having a three hour conversation on the way home.

SPEAKER 4: So, and you don't think about that stuff when you're sitting down and you're outlining your show. But these conversations go that way and sometimes, like, you know, that's like an, those are like evergreen episodes to me. Yeah. The, the convers, the thing could be over and done with, you know, that Millie Bobby Brown autograph signing. But it's not about that.

SPEAKER 4: As much as it is, you know, I taking her, she's stepping out out of her comfort zone and things like that.

SPEAKER 4: And that would never have been a, a topic episode. I mean, we used to line our things out so it wouldn't never, you know, but, but it transformed into that and then you can just, you know, listen to it, put your own spin on it, whatever it is you got going on and so those like, there's, there's a couple in there that are like that man where we talk about, you know, we start out on cars and it turns into something else.

SPEAKER 4: And so II I will be proud of something like episodes like that, that, that kind of like those evergreen ones.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that definitely you, you talk about it.

SPEAKER 1: It is, it is.

SPEAKER 3: And there was, there was plenty of girl dads out there that reached out to me and, you know, they're doing the same thing or they would like to, you know, their, their relationship with their daughters estranged and they're, you know, asking me, you know, advice on, on how to try to, you know, and it's all about just finding a common ground and, and really building upon that and then from there communicating, keeping that constant communication is the key, whether it's, you know, daughter, son, wife, you know, I always joke about my wife and her being my biggest detractor.

SPEAKER 3: But, you know, I, I'm, that's my baby girl. I'd be nothing without her. And, you know, she's been, you know, she really has been my biggest supporter. So I, you know, I love her dearly and, she knows, you know, she said, she said early on if I gotta be the bad guy in the podcast, I'll be the bad guy so you guys can get ratings. That's cool.

SPEAKER 1: No. And that stuff is, you know, I talk about my personal life on the show. Not at, at length. I don't want to bore people. But, you know, I think sometimes people forget like we're more, we're more than just Card collectors. Right. We are dads and husbands and brothers and, and, you know, humans.

SPEAKER 1: Right. We're not just robots who collect, you know, Randall Cunningham and, and Jackie Robinson and, and, and stranger things, you know, we're more, that's just part of what we do, but it's not the whole picture.

SPEAKER 1: And so I make a point to share some of their life, you know, even going back to the, to my dad, he, the first time when I put him on, I even almost didn't do it cause I'm like, oh people are gonna say, oh I was put his dad on the show like nepotism, right? But then I thought, how many times am I gonna get to talk?

SPEAKER 1: Forget that he's my father. How many times can I have someone on the show that went to have its field who met Jackie Robinson and, and the other Brooklyn that had conversations with him, saw him play. I don't care what their name is. Barry Newman or Mike Dono, whoever, right?

SPEAKER 1: It didn't matter that it was my dad. He, he lived that experience. I wanted to have him on to share those with not just me who was in, I knew other people would en enjoy it. So I got over that, hey, you know, you're gonna take heat cause you're putting your dad, it's, it, it happened to be my dad but he had a story to tell.

SPEAKER 1: And so I think, you know, we got, it's, it's nice to care about what people think. But at the end of the day, right, we, we got to try to put the best content out there that we can sometimes I'm better at it than other times. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you like, you know, every episode is, is like that. It's like, it's like at bats in baseball, sometimes you get in the box and hit a home run.

SPEAKER 1: Sometimes you get in the box and you take a, a called strike three or you line one out the second base. That's the beauty of it, right? You appreciate those great shows.

SPEAKER 1: We, you know, the feeling when you, when you've wrapped up the show and like, man, that was fun and that was, you know, and hopefully today is one of those days, but, you know, we, we've all in there, we, we get that and so, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it shows you care too that you, you, you know, you, whether you feel that way or, or not, and there's probably other people who could care less and they don't even assess how they did or, or, or whatnot, but that's on, that's on them.

SPEAKER 1: But, again, you know, I appreciate you whether you did come back or not, I hope you come back. I've told you, I've given my, my proposal, I put that on there.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, what you did for the two years has been, incredible. It speaks for itself.

SPEAKER 1: It's there for everybody, to, who hasn't heard it to go back.

SPEAKER 1: It's a like, you know, Eric from those back pages, you know, he, he came on and he said, you know, doing content, whether it be video, audio, both you're leaving a legacy, right? Even when we're not here no more, maybe your great grand, maybe your grandson or your great grandson or great granddaughter who never got to meet you.

SPEAKER 1: Potentially, you know, it gets, it gets to them that hey, you know, your great grandpa pa and your Cousin, you know, they did, they did a podcast back in the, you know, the 20 twenties, right?

SPEAKER 1: And they can go back and listen to that and so they never met you, but they can learn about you through the audio. And that's what Eric from those back pages met by le legacy when he first said it, I thought man, that's sort of dramatic, like a legacy. I'm not like Morgan Freeman, you know, like that's a legacy, an actor, you can go watch movies, you know, you can even watch movies from the 19 twenties.

SPEAKER 1: If, if you want. That's, but he was right when you really think about it right there. Have you ever heard? I thought about like family that you may never me in, in the future. Right? Can find out about you through cousins collectibles. How crazy Is that when you really think about?

SPEAKER 3: I always tell my older daughter, she never listens. I said, you know, when I'm long and long, you know, long gone, you can go back when you're missing daddy and, you know, you talk a lot of crap now, you're big and bold. But I said, you know, you're gonna miss me one day. I said you could always go back and, and listen to my podcast finally.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. No doubt, no doubt, man. And that's, that's the beauty of it, right? And, I don't think we, I don't think we II, I know. I, so sometimes I realize and sometimes I take it for granted, right? You do, you, you don't think about it. So, but i, it's, it's true and, there's gonna be a lot of that, you know, in, in, in the archives for people and that's family, right?

SPEAKER 1: There'll be hobbyists in the future that find our shows, right? When, you know, when we're not doing them anymore, for whatever reason we're not here or we stopped and they can still learn stuff for, like you said, evergreen.

SPEAKER 1: And so you don't realize sort of that impact and and, you know, I look at some of the demographic reports that I get and it's interesting to see people go back and listen to old shows of Sports Nation. I'm like, wow, man, that's, that's old. But it's also inspires me, like, people like it enough to do that. I should probably keep going. I guess when I stop seeing that, maybe that's like, all right, you're done.

SPEAKER 1: You know, and I'll join you guys in retirement. We'll, we'll meet in West Palm Beach. But, but all joking aside, you know, again, I, I hope to see you continue in, in some form or fashion. You, I don't have to say this, but I will, I'm always here if you need any sort of, again, I'm not an expert.

SPEAKER 1: But if you need it, you know, you want to bounce an idea or, hey, what's your take on this or what do you think of that or how would you do this? I'd be, you know, that my door is always open. I don't take offense if you don't ask. But, I'm, I'm here. If, if you do, as well guys and, and, and with that, I don't care.

SPEAKER 1: We went long. It's, it's, I, I'm not watching the clock as long as you guys are not in trouble and I didn't get you in trouble. But speaking of finding like your stuff, you know, whether you're doing it currently or, or not where people give out, you know, how we do this, give out anything you guys want to share here.

SPEAKER 4: Sure. One thing that a absolutely does not stop is the collecting like that's still going on. It's just like I said, the content creation just, you know, on pause for a while, we'll see, you know, maybe we'll, like I said, we'll talk to the powers that be and see how it all works out. But the collecting still continues.

SPEAKER 4: That, that definitely doesn't, doesn't stop. But yeah, so, you can just Google or podcast, whatever, you know, search the Cousins Collectibles Podcast and, you know, if you start from the beginning, it, it's, we set the bar really low and then it kind of got production value, got a little bit better as it goes along.

SPEAKER 4: You know, we had one guy who was listening the other way around from the latest to the earliest. I'm like, no, it's gonna get progressively worse. So I just started at the beginning. The bar set really low and then, you know, you can work your way on up from there.

SPEAKER 4: So, you know, the Cousin Collectibles podcast, on Instagram as well. Cousin Oz is that Cousin Oz, the people's mailman on Instagram. You can see our collections there and you can see the, the growth from when we were little hobby babies to now we're like, I guess like I don't know, like hobby kids, we still got a long way to go yet.

SPEAKER 4: That journey never ends.

SPEAKER 4: Like I said, the, the collecting continues and again, John, a big thank you to you for putting us on early and, and, and riding with us and we appreciate that.

SPEAKER 4: And that's pretty much it. Like I said, we'll, we'll see where it goes from from here. But, you know, the collecting does not stop it.

SPEAKER 3: It's goodbye for now. So we, we shall see what the future holds for us and you'll always be our Lou Pearlman. That's how, that's how I'm gonna end it.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I, I think I appreciate that is all.

SPEAKER 3: The, the crazy crap.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Well, guys, listen, I appreciate, everything and I, I know you thank me, but that's a, that's a mutual Amira, admiration club. And, again, from a selfish point of view and I think I speak for many others. I hope to see you, on the airwaves soon. Like you said, you're not getting out of collecting.

SPEAKER 1: So, I, I know I'll see you, you, you what you picked up and that sort of thing. And it's funny, someone asked me this and I don't wanna make this show. I'll, I'll make this quick, you know, you know how one of the questions I had was like, how has your hobby, changed doing podcasting for me?

SPEAKER 1: I'll answer sort of my own question for me. I, I, this is gonna sound crazy to some, but I actually buy less cards. It is just because I'm, I'm less on ebay and other selling marketplaces and auction sites because of content creation and don't get me wrong. I'm still purchasing cards.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not, you know, but I, I think II, I purchased more before I did content creation than, than during it and I'm not complaining or saying that that's a bad, necessarily a bad thing. I'm just, that's a trend I've, I've noticed and people are surprised, when I, when I give them that, that, that's the answer. But, it's actually true.

SPEAKER 4: It's, it's your hobby fix. It's how you get your hobby fixed, whether it's through the content creation or stuff like that.

SPEAKER 4: Which, by the way, II, I, I need some more Randall Cunningham game use stuff. So, if anybody out there has some, you know, slide into the D MS that cousins underscore collectibles, I, yeah, I lost an auction the other day and trying to.

SPEAKER 1: How about, how about Donovan mcnabb, Syracuse's own?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I, I had a bunch actually, I, I sold, I had a whole mcnab collection and I sold it to get, I got, ended up buying Clemente stuff with it.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. So II, I did have that, dude, that was one of my first jerseys. Listen and real quick one of my first jerseys as a kid was a Donovan mcnabb, Syracuse jersey that I bought way back. So I was on that train man before and once they drafted him, I'm like, yeah, this guy, he's good and then, you know, some things went awry, but.

SPEAKER 1: He got booed though. He got booed at the draft. Like that was because.

SPEAKER 4: Fans are idiots.

SPEAKER 4: That's, that's a story for another, that's another podcast.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, we'll have to do, like, we'll have to do like a Philly flavor episode and incorporate mcnabb and the Syracuse, guys in there as well. I'm gonna make, I've got, you know, being here in Syracuse, I got to watch him play, obviously at home in the, in the dome.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, I, I saw what, what he was capable of fell short of a ring but still had a, a pretty good career. So, but guys, I appreciate it. We'll have to do it again. We could probably do three hours, maybe we'll just start a new show with us. Three.

SPEAKER 1: You know, listen, you t it up, let's show up Earl, if you, if you do, if you do the honors, your catchphrase, can we go out with the, with your? Well, I'll, I'll let you do it.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, you know.

SPEAKER 3: It's first of all, thank you so much for having us and we're gonna end this like we always do and that is keep focused. Keep positive and keep collecting a yo, John, bring the beat back.

SPEAKER 1: There you go. Thanks guys. See you. All right. It was good having Tony and Oz back on the program. It's been a long time or been a while, but glad to have him back and I'm hoping their hiatus from the podcasting of their own show is a short one and, and they are pause but I get it. People don't realize there's a grind involved and, you know, that, like they said, they're true to their passion, right?

SPEAKER 1: If you, you're not feeling something, you know, they decided that they're not gonna go through the motions. I've said that with what I do here, as well and I just think, I guess, you know, working towards our sixth year, I guess I'm just sort of locked in. I don't have any young kids. I think that that helps me.

SPEAKER 1: You know what, I've been doing a lot more Card shows lately and, and then it becomes a little more trickier to, to balance it all out. So I, I fully understand where they're coming from, but hope they come back though, from a self, like I said, from a selfish point of view, I'm sure many others, share the same sentiment.

SPEAKER 1: So, with that being said, I wish them, luck I'll, I'll keep in contact with them like they said, they're not leaving the hobby. They're not getting rid of everything they own and exiting stage left in that, that fashion.

SPEAKER 1: So, that part is good. So, they're still part of this great hobby and, happy to call them friends and, you know, hopefully, well, we, I'll have them back on again and maybe we'll be talking about their podcast again. All right. Time to hear from our hobby is the people announcer.

SPEAKER 1: Hey, well, if you wanna be part of that of the show, you know, listen to the, what you're about to hear, it tells you how to send your sound file to us and you can be part of the show as well. So, let's get to that some closing thoughts and we'll wrap up the show for this week.

SPEAKER 5: Time for our hobby is the people announcer of the week.

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SPEAKER 8: That's a wrap for this week. Huge thanks to you, the listeners out there because without you, there is no ice.

SPEAKER 8: If you like the show, we truly appreciate positive reviews. Big ups to our great guests who drive the show and our awesome sponsors who make it all possible. Sports Cog Nation will be back next week, but don't forget to catch either hobby quick. Hits or cod mens coming up on Monday, I'll leave you with this.

SPEAKER 8: How do we change the world?

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SPEAKER 8: Remember the hobby is the People.

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