Ep.261 w/ Rob Petrozzo of RallyRd "Mantle House & more"

SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody? Welcome to episode 261. Hope you enjoyed the previous two episodes with Marshall Fogel. Very Candid did not tell me I couldn't talk about anything and very, you know, based on the downloads very well received. So appreciate everyone out there. Listening to those two episodes, he's not a frequent guest on podcast. I did two episodes.

SPEAKER 1: You're seeing me do sometimes these two parters just to keep the episodes at a decent length around 30 to 45 minutes. That's my, my goal. So let me know what you think about the new format with the two parts if, if need be to keep the episode shorter and sweeter today's guest, great guy built a, a company pretty, you know, with his partners from the ground up. They're still doing big things in the fractional market.

SPEAKER 1: Rob Petrozzo of Rally Road, more commonly known as Rally. He's gonna be on today. We're gonna talk about the Manor House something you've heard me already talk about as someone who bought shares where the fractional market is today, the birth of the company, how it all happened and some other Hobby goings on. So with that being said, let's get the show started.

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SPEAKER 1: Real excited to talk to the next gentleman on the Sports Card shop, guest line here on Sports Card Nation.

SPEAKER 1: I've, I've talked to him a little bit o off the air and got him to know a little bit that way, but this is his first time here and glad to have him, Rob Petrozzo of Rally. Welcome John.

SPEAKER 3: Thank you, man. I appreciate you having me. I'm always, I always get excited here in the sports called Nation Intro. It feels like something epic is about to happen. We have to have a real conversation. So thank you for having me, man.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: No, thank you for making some time. I know you're a busy guy. We're also recording this during the high a time too. So you factor that in there as well. So I, I appreciate it. I know a little bit, I don't know everything. I know a little bit of kind of where Rally came to be and, and, and why, but for those who don't know and listening out there kind of you know how Rally was, was born, so to speak.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So we, I mean, it's been a long time coming. We're, we're 67 years in and I'll be honest the same way as you, I don't know everything either. We're, we're still putting together ourselves seven years later, you know what I mean? But really this all started, you know, to get background, it's really a place to kind of invest in the objects that, you know, and kind of discover the ones that you didn't know existed.

SPEAKER 3: But in reality, it's a place to, to invest and kind of put your money where your mouth is. We always looked at, at every single asset class that we go into, whether it's, whether it's cars or memorabilia or it's NFTS or it's dinosaurs or it's classic cars or it's watches, we take these assets that have these huge affinity groups around them and people that really care and love it and make it a big part of their life.

SPEAKER 3: We fractionalized the most important assets in that space and then we sell shares in it which trade similar to the way that that stocks might trade in the stock market. Then along with that, it's about telling the story and it's about really bringing people into these assets in a way that it's more than just a ticker symbol like you would pay for on like the stock exchange or that you would buy on a regular brokerage account.

SPEAKER 3: So a lot of what we do, whether it's in our physical spaces, like our museum here in New York or it's inside the app is about taking that asset, taking that item, that card or whatever it is breaking into shares, you can own it for 10 $15 if you want it to some of the most important pieces in the world, but also tell the story appropriately and tell the whole back story behind a lot of these items which I think a lot of Times they could take it for granted for their beauty or for their price.

SPEAKER 3: We really wanna bring these things to life in a more effective way. And that was really the impetus for starting this platform myself. And my co-founders Max and Chris was really about how wrapped up we were in those stories. And for me, it was, it was cars, it was art, it was the things that I really cared about as a kid.

SPEAKER 3: And it was like the feeling of being this 10 year old or this 12 year old and never being able to have the best thing I think I told the story before. So this isn't just because I'm on this podcast. But the, the 414 Frank Thomas rookie card to me was like the start of this business. That's kind of where we started the conversation for me.

SPEAKER 3: That was this card that you would go to card shows where I go to Staten Island Mall and they have all the tables set up on Saturday with everybody selling cards and it's me and my friends and we're like, you know, 9, 10 years old and you see all these cards. But Frank Thomas like 9192 was the biggest thing on earth.

SPEAKER 3: And it wasn't, it wasn't thought about as like a way to make a million in dollars because you're, you're 1011 years old. But it was this card that felt so out of reach and it would be like in its own, it, it would be like always in screwed down cases or it would be like, it would be separated from the rest of the card sitting on this table and like a bad version was like 5060 bucks.

SPEAKER 3: And for me and my friends, it was like, yeah, we gotta save money to get this card. We have to have this in our collection someday. And the thought process was always like, how do I get there? How do I get that?

SPEAKER 3: So for us, it was like, all right, think about that same 12 year old kid, that same 10 year old kid now in their thirties or in their forties and looking at these, you know, a Honus we card or a Mantle rookie or looking at these larger than life cars that are now, you know, well into the millions of dollars in some cases.

SPEAKER 3: How can you take that and make that a part of their life in a, in a real way and let them have that be part of their collection. And that for us is kind of how we thought about this platform we started putting together was there's a way to do that. It requires some regulation securities stuff and lawyers and it requires this product and this app that brings it to life.

SPEAKER 3: But if we can make owning that as easy as it would have been, if I had the money when I was 11 years old to take it off that table and walk away with it.

SPEAKER 3: Then we'd have something and kind of, you know, 67 years later we've just been doing that now for the better part of half a decade and it started to work and I think the world has started to realize that collectibles just like anything else are an important part of their life, their identity and their portfolio at the same time. And we try to make that last part happen.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Well, Ted and awesome stuff. Right. And, and how difficult going back to 67 years ago, Rob, how difficult when you, when you're just starting to acquire some of these things for the company, to offer, talk about sort of the, you know, plus fractional is fairly new.

SPEAKER 1: I mean, it's kind of been around in different sort of forms. But really sort of new, especially to the collectibles, space, you know, people would always say, well, I can't own the card outright. And, speaking on the Sports Card side only, you know, I don't, I don't wanna, as I have to wait till either I can afford it or just never own it.

SPEAKER 1: How difficult, I, I guess two pronged question here. How, how difficult was it to acquire some of the items? Maybe people were a little apprehensive to, you know, I mean, price, obviously it all comes down to that.

SPEAKER 1: And maybe more so, probably more difficulty on the offering side. We're at getting people to buy in, where they're not actually gonna have always physical possession, of the item.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think, you know, when we were, when we started doing it in 2017, 2018, the first three asset classes we went into were classic cars, watches and then sports cards and trading cards. So that was to break into those worlds. And you know, this sometimes it's not just money. Like if we had money to do it, I would have just gone out and bought everything.

SPEAKER 3: But in reality, we knew like in the sports car vertical, we want to start with, with a T 26 Wagner and with a 52 Mantle.

SPEAKER 3: And then we added like, you know, a Fla Jordan because that, that to us is like the trifecta of the things that a are on the positive trajectory.

SPEAKER 3: But b are the benchmarks for collecting and not just in the Hobby, collecting in general, everybody who collects coins or, you know, collects classic cars even, or watches has an understanding of what a Honus Wagner card is and they know what they know what the, the history and the story behind it.

SPEAKER 3: They know that one's never sold for less than it was purchased for. They understand like the history of hus and why he pulled the cards from the production run. So that's this thing that we knew we needed. Just money doesn't get you a Wagner because there's, you know, if there are 60 or 50 the numbers are always a little bit subjective, that means there's probably 10 that are actually like available at any time.

SPEAKER 3: But again, to get those, to get in touch with those people is impossible. So for us, like we raised a little bit of money on the first concept, it was easier to get the cars first because the car community, it's not that it was more inviting. It was just one that, you know, we're able to sort of make connections in that space and start the conversation with people who have these cars.

SPEAKER 3: And typically it's not, you can't fit a car and like you're safe in your apartment or your home. So like they would already kind of be out and about, you would kind of see them a little bit here and there and be able to start the conversation about acquiring them. So we raised the first amount of money from venture capitalists. We told them like we got to buy the first two or three assets.

SPEAKER 3: So myself, Chris and Max, we took money out of pocket for as much as we could. We were able to finance a couple of the first two cars that we put on the platform and then start some of those conversations with the VC money that we had to get one or two more cars. That was the start, but that's where it was like, all right, we can kind of do this.

SPEAKER 3: Now, now we talk to our lawyers about how to make this work. And at that point, crowdfunding and platforms like Kickstarter and even gofundme and a few others are starting to rise up where the leverage was now on the, on the consumer to sort of to, to bring things to market and securitize them. So we told our lawyers that there's a way to do it like that and work with the sec to qualify these.

SPEAKER 3: Can we make that happen? The lawyers came back and said, yes. So now it's like, all right, we have the first two things checked off, we have the asset that we need, which the first one was like this lotus. And then 1955 Porsche, which is kind of like the Mantle of, of cars is 1955 Porsche speeds there. Now, we have the regulatory aspect of what we have.

SPEAKER 3: Our CFO Max and our lawyers are working on making this look and feel like a stock and then it was just distribution. It was about how do we actually sell these now that we have them. So then we started building this app and I was building, that was kind of my section was in the product side, building it the whole time and making a tactile and put in the hands of friends and other investors and people who might use it.

SPEAKER 3: So we opened the first, the first IP O we, we syndicated it to our family and friends. And like, we got a huge email list. We might have, like, we might have bought an email list or something early on. We had like three or 4000 people and one or two investments started to come in and then like three or four investments started to come in and then word of mouth starts to pick up a little bit.

SPEAKER 3: Then we got a little bit of press. All of a sudden we're gonna Fox News and they're showing the, the car this 1955 Porsche, they want to roll it into the, to the, to the studio to show people and now it starts to pick up.

SPEAKER 3: So now it was like, all right, the phone started to ring a little bit at that point with people who wanted to help in the other verticals. And one of the most important relationships that I had personally, but for this business was, was Mark Zabo from Bleaker Trading, who I've known for 20 years and is somebody that has always sort of preached like ownership and equity.

SPEAKER 3: And he's always been really, really smart about putting businesses together, but he's also been a collector and he's been, you know, he's got one of the most important in my opinion, one of the most important spaces in New York now, for the Hobby at Bleaker Trading on, on Christopher Street here in New York, in the city, which mean Patton has no card shops like that anymore.

SPEAKER 3: So, to put one in New York that looks and feels like the late eighties, early nineties is crazy.

SPEAKER 3: And he's really on a wave with that now, but he made a couple of intros to us and he, he introduced us to, Ryan Simon who's a close friend now and a collector and, and Ken Golden and Ken at that point in 2017, 2018, I knew who he was. We'd probably email back and forth here and there. But you know, he wasn't giving me the time of day until, until there was something actually worthwhile having a conversation about.

SPEAKER 3: So we sat down and talked about what we were doing. He liked the idea. He knew it was complimentary to the auction business where early on I think a lot of auction houses looked at it like, I don't wanna even think about potential competition in the future.

SPEAKER 3: And I told him the truth, like, dude, I really, I need a T 206 and I need a 52 Mantle but not, I don't, I'm not talking about PS A two's Mantle and like a bottom of the barrel h as anyone with the story and like, he's like, all right, give me a few months and then we started back and forth having conversations and he, you know, without having any equity in his business or any ownership, he made the intros and we're able to make a couple of those things happen with his, with his sort of stamp of approval and that kicked off really the whole business.

SPEAKER 3: So with that in mind, once we started moving along and we started seeing these IP OS work and trading is working, we're selling merch and we're opening physical spaces now over the last 2.5 years, especially since the pandemic. So much of it has been inbound. And people understand that there is a place where a like we have a great collection, but b we're gonna have this stuff like on display in our museum.

SPEAKER 3: We're gonna do a great job storytelling on it. We're gonna get press around it and we're able to sort of, you know, sell items relative to the real market without having to sort of chance it at auction, I think.

SPEAKER 3: And that, that became a really important part of what we do now later on now that a lot of what we've been able to do is consignment or inbound without having to sort of hit the streets and like go door to door trying to figure out where the hos are buried. You know what I mean? So that's, that's a long story, but that's a rejected where it came from. Like any other business you start off putting the money out of pocket.

SPEAKER 3: You get some people who believe in you and all you need are two or three of those people who have those connections who really truly want to help. And that's where we got lucky really early on. Then obviously the pandemic, everything went parabolic and it became a whole other world. But we were lucky to get in before that to establish the relationships before it became, you know, that crazy era of 2020 to 2022.

SPEAKER 1: I'm just gonna disagree with, with one thing you said you can put, you can put a car in your safe. It has to be of the Matchbox variety. That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER 3: Which also Matchbox cars have become like an, an asset class. People love them and the, and the prices are going crazy. So you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER 1: So, I, I'm, I'm poking a little fun at you, obviously. You mentioned those three cards, right? Like you said, you call them the trifecta.

SPEAKER 1: And they're great examples of people who aren't even in the Hobby, you show them a picture of those cards or the car themselves and they still know what those are. They, they know they have some sort of semblance of, of what those are and they're, they're, they're iconic and so, you know, that that's kind of a, you know, collectibles wise.

SPEAKER 1: It's kind of, you know, getting in, you know, right at the top the top shelf, if, if, if you will, you know, you mentioned with the pandemic hitting, was that good or bad for, for Rally or a little bit of both?

SPEAKER 3: I mean, I'll be honest with you. It was both because now you're at a point that demand was so high and it was such a seller's market at that point where they can dictate any price they wanted.

SPEAKER 3: It got to this place where in the beginning it was fantastic because we were, you know, we, our, our Jordan, our, our fleer Jordan, you know, it went, we ip O it for $40,000 and sold it for $90,000 in eight days. Everyone got their money back on it quick. And, you know, we did a bunch of merch around it and a bunch of activations, everything was working.

SPEAKER 3: But inevitably what happens is that you get a lot of people that came into the Hobby. And I think this is where this is where we are right now in the Hobby. I'm not in any position to be a mouthpiece or be on any soapbox, speak for the, for the entire Hobby because there's pockets of it that are obviously very different.

SPEAKER 3: But I think everything has gotten so polarizing to this point and there's so much sort of frustration built around what happened during that window of time and where we are now, I get nervous even saying, talking about Jordan rookies.

SPEAKER 3: I get nervous a little bit talking about, about Mantle hone is not as much, but because those cards to me, when you see the giant prices printed, when you see $12 million spent on a car, when you see everything that happened with the Jordans and have them come back down to earth around that, that 175 ish or 200 number where they're, where they're at right now.

SPEAKER 3: Somewhere in that range, people look at it and say you see like this is, it's all a scam.

SPEAKER 3: The whole thing is all make believe and cardboard doesn't even matter. And you have this crazy runner from people who don't know any better and just threw money at it. And for us, you know, we're in a position that we have huge demand.

SPEAKER 3: You have hundreds of thousands of people coming to our platform saying what's next, what's next, what's next in this window of time where to keep it entirely real? We probably could have IP O ed any card and filled it, not at any price but any card.

SPEAKER 3: And I think what happens is that once you go through those top tier and you have, you know, sophisticated investors in the same room with retail investors with people who just want to come in and be a part of it because they're starting to read about how crazy cards are and how, how wild the prices are and it's, it's trading like crypto basically at that point and they're just looking to get their money.

SPEAKER 3: And now you have this crazy rush through the doors that when the rug gets pulled and that demand isn't there anymore. There's lots of cards on Rally right now, which are gonna be down because they followed the market.

SPEAKER 3: So now inevitably, what happens is that unlike the NASDAQ, when, you know, when Apple stock goes down because of, you know, something with profits or whatever, people aren't gonna blame NASDAQ or the, or the S and P, they're not gonna blame the stock market.

SPEAKER 3: They're gonna, they're gonna be like, oh Apple did something wrong. You know what I mean? I think for us we're the, we're kind of like the exchange, but when cards are down 80% in the real world and then they're down 80% on Rally Rally is the problem in that case.

SPEAKER 3: And that's just what we have to deal with. I completely, I understand that because I'd probably be the same way if like, you know, I came into something and spent $100 now that 100 is worth it 80 because I bought, you know, a specific car that no longer has that demand that it did during the pandemic.

SPEAKER 3: But for us, like, it's about making sure that the, the breadth of cards and the breadth of assets that we have on the platform is diversified so that you can make those decisions asset by asset, by asset.

SPEAKER 3: And to say everything is down is the wrong way to put it in, in the Hobby in general to say everything is up. If it's only, you know, this vintage error from this period is also incorrect because you're gonna find out liars in there too. I think for us, like I would have done a couple of things different. No question during the pandemic with the way that we acquired assets.

SPEAKER 3: But I think that the victim of the success mentality that we had at that point was the same for every consumer who thought nothing was ever gonna come down. And I took a bath on a ton of stuff personally, like a bet on so much of the stuff that I thought was gonna be the most important stuff in the future. I made money on some stuff too on paper, but I never really sold anything.

SPEAKER 3: So now we're at a point that for us to look at the things that always work for us, the hoss and the mantles and the pieces that are really the most important part of what I believe is this Hobby I believe is collecting in the future.

SPEAKER 3: It requires us to tell that story more effectively and find more ways to sort of get ongoing revenue around these assets and find ways to monetize and find ways to add liquidity to all of those assets, whether they were during the pandemic before or after. And that's, that's, you know, people saying Rally is wrong and Rally fed up and Rally shouldn't have done this.

SPEAKER 3: I can't say they're wrong because that's an opinion. It's completely understood for us. It's about gaining trust and earning trust, whether it's getting trust back from existing investors or building trust with new investors, new and new participants on the platform.

SPEAKER 1: It's refreshing to hear you kind of say that too. Like, hey, listen, we're human.

SPEAKER 1: You know, that we're doing the best we can. You know, we, the pandemic was I, I call it the midas touch during the, as you well know, you know, everything during the pandemic Hobby wise. Anyway, you could almost do no wrong. And so it's tough to come out of that.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and expect the same or expect stuff not to settle down. Like you said, it's not so much your guys' fault. It's just where the market is at. But obviously you're sometimes you're gonna be on the front lines getting fingers pointed at you and it's nice to hear you say, hey, I, you know, hey, we gotta take, you gotta take that.

SPEAKER 3: As you gotta take it on the chin sometimes, man, you know what I mean? Like we, I, I, I'm telling you from personal experience, like I also, I have lost money on lots of modern cards, forget it, but wax that I bought, I'll never see the money on it again. But to me, I was never buying it some stuff I bought in my head where speculation, no question.

SPEAKER 3: I have like a lot of lebron stuff. A I, I'm in love, like, I've always loved Kobe and Kobe. To me, I've never thought about it as like a commodity. I've always thought about it as a person. Like I'm buying his sneakers and I play basketball in his sneakers and I'm buying his, you know, last season I bought so many ticket books and so many tickets for Kobe's last game.

SPEAKER 3: I wasn't even thinking about them as, like selling them until the prices started getting crazy and I gave him away as gifts and stuff. And I felt like that was a piece of me as my identity. But I think a lot of what happened is that, you know, there's so much dissent in, in the Hobby right now, I feel like, and this is, I'm not trying to, trying to fight it because it's something I care deeply about.

SPEAKER 3: But I try and stay out of a lot of the fights that I can. But I think that a lot of people will look now from the pandemic now, especially they're looking for the conspiracies and like malfeasance and like, they're, they're accepting rumors with no actual facts. I think every breaker with like a, a big hit is getting loaded boxes.

SPEAKER 3: Now, all of a sudden, or every $100,000 card sales, like a shell sale and every time Panini does anything it's a scam now. And I think that, you know, fanatics putting one of ones in the wrong box. Like, that's a marketing tactic. It's a scam. It's a scheme. I think everything doesn't have to be this upside down, like fight.

SPEAKER 3: That's not the Hobby to me. And I think that a lot of people got wrapped up in that and they claim they weren't in it for money, but all their anger and frustration came after, after car prices retreated over the course of the last year and a half. So, for any, and then they started putting the content out and talking crazy about who's doing things wrong.

SPEAKER 3: So, to me it's like, yes, there's a lot of things that we do Rally that probably wouldn't look good to a purist of the Hobby. A lot of it is commoditizing, something that people really, really care about. But it truly is a Hobby and it's something that, like, it's great.

SPEAKER 3: If you make money on it, if you don't, you have that Hobby, you have these things, you really care about these things that make you happy, that bring nostalgia, that bring you joy, that feeling of like opening a pack of cards and what it smells like it feels like. And all these things that I know, I, I pride and I think about as myself, like things I wanna do, whether I was making money or not.

SPEAKER 3: If it's really a Hobby, then it should be treated that way. If it's something that you're planning on making money on, it's a business and whether it's a content business or it's, you know, you flipping cards, that's something that pointing fingers at somebody else is treating me as a business and saying, like, look at all the things you did wrong to me is the wrong way to is the wrong take.

SPEAKER 3: And I think that's something that only really exists in this Hobby. I don't see it the same way in other places. This one's the biggest. So it's obviously gonna get the most attention.

SPEAKER 3: But it is, it's concerning to me sometimes it is, it's a thing I care about, but I feel like a lot of Times they don't want us in the conversation. So I'm kind of like tiptoeing around telling people how I truly feel about it sometimes, but that's it. I know there are things that Rally done wrong.

SPEAKER 3: It's like there's things that everybody's done wrong for us now. It's about like, thinking about what the future looks like and think about that five and 10 year cycle and not that crazy compressed moment. That was COVID that everything went crazy on. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. I, I agree with your most, for the most part, Rob, I think some things that happen are legitimate. Like that they were to smoke this kind of fire. But I think you make a great point. It's not across the board.

SPEAKER 1: Every time something happens, everyone's quick to you know, convict and pass judgment and go, go to the execution, you know, chamber without, you know, without really deep diving in or doing the research or finding out what really, really happened. And I think some of that, I don't know if you agree with this. I think some of that just comes from the hobbies in a different spot.

SPEAKER 1: And, people aren't as, yeah, people aren't making hand over fist in the same fashion. They were, someone like me just says, hey, that's, I've been doing this so long. This I knew this was gonna happen. I couldn't, I didn't know exactly when, but I knew it would and you just roll with the punches.

SPEAKER 1: Maybe some other people, not as old as me or his experience had a tougher time, you know, handling that and you know, what do, what do unhappy people do? Sometimes they wanna make other people unhappy too, you know, come be in my unhappy boat with me. And here's a no. And let's grow. Right.

SPEAKER 3: That's a better take. That's a better take than I had without. That's a way more articulate way to say it.

SPEAKER 1: And I think a lot of it and I've said that on the show, right. I think a lot of what we see in, in, in the space comes from that point of view. Some of it's just jealousy, right? Some people are happy for others success. I try to be that guy.

SPEAKER 1: Some others have a harder time with that. So the minute there's one indiscretion or what even looks like an indiscretion, they're just right there to jump on it, put it on Social Media, you know, and you know, some people just feel better about themselves when they're making someone else look bad.

SPEAKER 1: It's the wrong way to go about it. If you ask me, but that's, that's not a new concept. I think it's been around a while. I think we're just seeing more of it just because the way things have settled down.

SPEAKER 3: No, no question to me. That's a good thing and a bad thing too because it is. There's so, the popularity of this space is so it's so prevalent right now.

SPEAKER 3: And when you start, when I start getting like texts from my mom about like card auctions and I'm not talking about like the, the big giant like, you know, Wendy Jersey. Rookie Jersey sell debut jerseys selling for seven or $50,000. She's in the weeds. Like sometimes she texts me about like some random like Wade Boggs card she saw on ebay type of thing.

SPEAKER 3: You know what I mean? Like there's some when it's like that, you know, it's, it's everywhere. You know what I mean? It's, it's omnipresent, it's ubiquitous and it's in the conversation that, to me is amazing. That's the best thing that could possibly happen. So, when it gets there though, it's like you said, it's not the same as it was.

SPEAKER 3: So, I think a lot of people get scared of the future and they get scared of new products and platforms and they get scared of like, you know, when fanatic, you remember when fanatics first came in and it was like, oh, what's this gonna be? They're gonna kill mom and pop stores, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: And then it starts to sort of take shape a little bit. People realize like, maybe it's just the distributors that are gonna get pushed out a little bit and they're making these huge rips on it. Maybe mom and pop stores are what they want to focus on the narrative changed. Ruben started showing up places. It took like a year and a half people to start trusting them, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: And now it's at a point that it's like, assume that they're gonna or not assumed that I shouldn't say that. But people look at it like if we're gonna get where we're going, it requires more people, bigger space, it requires, you know, more people being accepting of new products and platforms and new players in the space that to me is a net positive.

SPEAKER 3: No question but it is, it's scary when things change, when, when, what you've known for 2030 40 years, all of a sudden it is different. And you said it too. Having gone through, I was super young but having gone through the junk wax era.

SPEAKER 3: Like, you know, some of my favorite sets are the least are the, are the ones that no one will ever, ever care about again in my mind. Like there's, you know, like those old, those like mid eighties Don Rust like are important to me because like the Diamond Kings cards and that was like, Don Mattingly and these people that I loved and same with like 87 tops like wood boards.

SPEAKER 3: That's something that I look at and it's, I know that's not like that will Clark car is my favorite card of all time. Like I'm looking at that like this, they're my, my mom's house so they're important to me and I'm not mad that like everything is a refractor now and everything's a one of one, everything's got to be like on card auto and all this stuff if I want to make money because I'm not trying to always make money.

SPEAKER 3: Some of it is just about doing these things that I care about and having these things I care about. But people get nervous when that changes sometimes and it definitely has changed dramatically in a very short period of time. You know what I mean?

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SPEAKER 1: And you know what's crazy too, Rob? Sometimes you almost feel like I'm, I set up at shows as a dealer as well and, you know, someone asked me, hey, how'd you do? And, and I'm an honest guy, I say, oh, man, the show was great or it was ok or whatever.

SPEAKER 1: It's funny sometimes people resent, like you talk about, you know, you do it for, for fun or nostalgia. You can do it for my, some people resent the money part but like that you gotta pay bills, right? How do you pay? How did bills get paid? Right. How does, how does your mortgage get paid?

SPEAKER 3: How, how would you get the card? Somebody sold that to you? Like, someone's running a business one way or the other, you.

SPEAKER 1: Know, like, I, I never get that to, to, to, to my last breath. I don't understand why people are so resentful of people who, who sometimes make money, in, in the Hobby. I, I, it's not a new concept. It's been, you know, many, many, many moons now.

SPEAKER 1: But there are that, there is a faction that it's almost like sacrilegious to them. Or you're, you know, I've, I've heard the term purist thrown around. I really don't know what it, don't ask me what it means. I just heard it, you know.

SPEAKER 1: And I, I'll, I'll never get that, you know, I'll never get that. And, you know, I, I've had someone tell me, like, I, if you cared about the Hobby you wouldn't sell your cards. I'm like, and I'd say, ok, that's your opinion. It, it doesn't mean you're wrong but explain that to me.

SPEAKER 1: And then I don't, you know, the, the follow up explanation was, you know, in my opinion, all discombobulated and really didn't, sort of two plus two didn't equal four. And I'm just like, so a lot of the co comes from that jealousy point again, like, hey, there's that person's making money. I wish I kinda could.

SPEAKER 1: But I probably, you know, and it's, I always tell people, like, I'm not an expert or II, I don't think I am. I'm, I'm just experienced like, hey, I'll help you out any way I can shoot questions at me or, or whatever the, the case may be. My door is always open rather than, you know, get mad or, or, you know, take that stance. Hey, we can all win. Kind of, it's a, it's.

SPEAKER 3: The, it's the, we can all, it's the, we can all win thing. It's just, it, it does, it, there are so many po, you know what, this whole interview I'm talking, like, I'm like sad boy talking about, about what's wrong with the Hobby. And there's not, there's so many good things that are right with it.

SPEAKER 3: But it is, I think maybe because at a young age, like I was, there was a, there was a place on 13Th Avenue in Brooklyn where I grow called called Waltz Hobby Shop. And that was like the spot where it was like this mix of like model airplanes, cars, some comic books. It was a, it was a whole bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER 3: But I remember like being really young and the owner pulled up and Mercedes and that was just like this weird eye opening thing. It was like the guy that owns the store and I thought that was like, I thought, I thought a Mercedes was like a billion dollars back then. So I'm looking at this guy pull up and I'm like, damn, he's got that from selling this, like all these things.

SPEAKER 3: This is, this is my, I want this to be my life when I get older. I want to just sell cool stuff in a store like this and have it and drive a Mercedes. And I think maybe I, I, from that point I tied like money to it to a certain degree.

SPEAKER 3: But I remember there was never like a world where it didn't feel like there was success, whether it was monetary or through, like building a great collection that wasn't tied to, to the Hobby. It felt like you could be really successful and make the Hobby a part of your life. Almost like a business.

SPEAKER 3: I think that's part of where, where Rally came from was the idea that it could be both of those things. And it's, it still is refreshing when, like, people that I know and I brought up like Mark Zabo and, and even Ken Golden and people that are in the space now that are, that are larger than life. The a lot, nobody right now that's making money in this space isn't, isn't a lifer.

SPEAKER 3: Like, it's hard, it's hard. The Hobby doesn't accept grifters like that. When they do, they come and go really, really quickly. It's not years. It's like months, it feels like. And everybody could talk crazy about, like, you know, backyard breaks or feel the people that do things a little bit more boisterous than others.

SPEAKER 3: But I think you meet any of these people who are doing it successfully. It's hard to find somebody who's truly successful in this space that's making money with cards. That doesn't, actually, at least in my opinion, doesn't actually care about it.

SPEAKER 3: It's, it's hard to find somebody who has a little bit of trajectory and has been around for a minute that's making money with cards and with memorabilia that isn't actually in it where you don't go to the house and it's full of the same stuff. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: Like, it's just, it's hard for me to, it's hard for me to look at people and think, and think there's really like major grifters coming in here just commoditizing everything that, that this space is about and leaving quickly with the money. It doesn't feel like that. It's, it's still a grind and those guys have been grinding for a long time. A lot of them, you know.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And, you know, sometimes passion has many forms. Some people are just a little bit quieter than others and, and, but that's passion. I mean, somebody was, you know, I, I don't know if everyone agree but that's how I, see it, you know, sometimes, you know, we, I listen, I grew up, I don't know if you remember him. You might be too young. Remember? Crazy Eddie of.

SPEAKER 3: I've, his, his daughter went to my high school 100%.

SPEAKER 1: 0, all right. So, you know, that, I'm sure you like, you know, that's, you know, we had, we had guys even, way back when, right. Mr Mint was, was loud and, and, and I'm not, this is not necessarily new. Maybe we didn't have as many. I, I'll go that far. But the Hobby is a, a much bigger Hobby now than then too. So, in fairness to today's Hobby, you're gonna have more, vocal people.

SPEAKER 1: I, I'm not, so, I'm not so much worried about the vocals as the actions. Right. And we can, you can scream and, and be cute, funny, obnoxious, whatever term you wanna use. But what do you do? And, and, and, and are you doing good, for the Hobby are you doing, above board? I'm more of a action. Speaks louder than always.

SPEAKER 3: Always. We're, we're both like from Brooklyn. And remember, remember that era? Like that was crazy. Eddie was like the pinnacle of success of me too, seeing that on TV, even at a young age, I was like, man, this guy's doing it, you know, and then it's refreshing. Seeing like those Mr Mint videos start to pop back up recently in the last, like the last 34 months.

SPEAKER 3: A lot of those like show videos are starting to pop back up and it's like, damn, this isn't it? This is what happened now. People have been all over him calling it a grift, you know, like they would have been all over him, would have run him out of town. But it was like that, that infomercial style. Like everything in your face was the way everything was sold between like 1979 and 1995. You know what I mean? Like, it was all.

SPEAKER 1: You had to, you had to get the, you had to get, grab someone's attention. You had to like bam, you know, you look even Informer Billy West here, you know, you kidding me?

SPEAKER 1: Don West on, on the, the late night.

SPEAKER 3: I bought, I made my grandma buy Shaquille O'Neal cars from him. You're kidding me? It was basically, it was the S and L sketch. I literally made my grandma buy me cars on QVC.

SPEAKER 1: There's a, there's a place for that. As long as there's nothing bad that that comes, I again, actions will always speak, at least in my book, always speak louder than words. Let's get back to, to Rally Rob. Like you've had some crazy, you guys have had some crazy offerings from historical documents.

SPEAKER 1: You know, a tr a triceratops skull. I mean, just you know, car you know, rare hand. I mean, we, we, we could do an hour just talking about everything, everything you have do you have?

SPEAKER 1: Sort of we're gonna talk about coming down the home stretch here, we're gonna talk about an item specifically but besides, and you know what that is, but besides that, has there been an item that you're like, holy crap? I can't believe we, this is on, this is on Rally.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, all, all of this is in everything that we put on platform for the most part like those items that you're talking about are in support of the five and six and the seven year old version of me all the way through, like, you know, age 1520 21.

SPEAKER 3: So when we think about, like the biggest ones, the ones that are the most important, I'm, I'm recording this in our museum right now in like our podcast studio. I'm looking at the triceratops right now.

SPEAKER 3: The Honus cards in the front, like these are the things that they're not just larger than life and they're not just these crazy expensive items, but even though every single category has like a story and every like like Honus Wagner has a story, the, the story of like our version of the Wagner card and the story of our triceratops and the story of our Declaration of Independence copy, like all of those are what make them to me like the aha and like the old crap type of type of items like our triceratops is realistically like, probably I, I don't wanna go on record saying this because I'm not a geologist or paleontologist, but according to our experts and people we work with, it's the most important triceratops and the most complete triceratops kull in the United States.

SPEAKER 3: And it's one that, you know, Jeff Bezos wants to buy this one and he couldn't because it's ours now.

SPEAKER 3: And the same thing with the hus car, like of all the hus cars. There's, you know, the Gretzky and the Charlie Sheen car. And there's like all they have a story. But the nuns Wagner, the one that saved this monastery that this guy left to this monastery in Baltimore, that has a really, really incredible story behind it.

SPEAKER 3: And they shaved the borders off and selected like that is its own story. And that's the one that was covered by the Times and it's showing up in a bunch of documentaries. And that's the really in my mind, one of the most important ones.

SPEAKER 3: So all these items and like our declaration of Independence, which was in the, in the family of one engraver who was the most well known engraver in, in all of Massachusetts and all of New England during this very specific period of time from 1776 through the 19 hundreds.

SPEAKER 3: All of that to me is, you know, storytelling is at the heart of so much of so much of the Hobby in general and so much of collectibles in general to be able to have a story within a story or the ones that, that make, that make items the most important to me.

SPEAKER 3: And to like part of it is speaking on our most recent IP O in the, in the Mickey Mantle House, the childhood home of Mickey Mantle that to me, I didn't know enough about it until we start until a year and a half ago when we, when we bought the property and started talking to people on the ground and started talking to the mayor at the time and started talking to four or five people who are, who are intimately close with the family and with the home and were from commerce Oklahoma.

SPEAKER 3: And when you start hearing like the bits and pieces of that story and how important Mickey Mantle was and still is to that community. And you see his name on every single street and you see his statue at the high school, you see these bits and pieces of it.

SPEAKER 3: You realize that there are certain people who are like no longer with us and there are stories that kind of happened hundreds of years ago. But regardless of whether or not, you know, a new generation ever knows, you know what Micky Mantha look like when he was at bat or what his bad ex experience was, they'll, they're gonna know these stories.

SPEAKER 3: They're gonna translate as long as the sport, as long as the Hobby is important. There are these items and these things and these stories that are gonna translate the same way and those are the ones that are always the most.

SPEAKER 1: Important to me. And, good segue into the, the man or boyhood at home, Rob.

SPEAKER 1: I guess my first question was this first, was this the first venture into real estate for a Rally?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So we, we've been wanting to, to go into real estate for a while and you know, since probably before the pandemic, we were thinking what's the best way we don't want to just buy like, a townhouse in Brooklyn or something like that and try and, and make it a thing and take this be, take a beautiful home in IP A, we want to have something that had a real story, but also, you know, even like the handbags that we have and some of the items that might not necessarily seem like they translate the same way a card, might we treat everything like a collectible that should or could be in a museum and whether they have a utility like a home does or they don't, and they're just like a piece of cardboard or it's something that just is this beautiful piece of art.

SPEAKER 3: We wanna make sure that the story behind it makes sense, but also that it can live as a collectible in a museum of any kind. So when we were looking at homes, we had like two or three options on the table in 2020. And we started looking into this home in particular in like 2019, give or take 2018, I think.

SPEAKER 3: And, it wasn't available at the time, but the owner hadn't lived there for like 25 years. It was originally supposed to auction with Golden and it wound up, getting pulled from the auction, I think it was in like a, it was in a car in memorabilia auction, they just plopped this house in and the pictures weren't necessarily something that told a good story.

SPEAKER 3: I think the marketing behind it was really the issue. It wound up getting like a bit of 60 or 70,000 and they pulled it, because it wasn't gonna hit the reserve and that was something that we looked at. We're like, all right, maybe this is our opportunity to, to get this home. So we started talking to the owner.

SPEAKER 3: We started thinking about what we could do with the space and we w up making the acquisition probably 19 months ago or so, a little less than two years ago. But then, you know, it was pandemic time and like prices started going crazy on homes and we started thinking about the work we had to do to sort of get it up to speed because it was 25 years old.

SPEAKER 3: I hadn't been, lived in, I'm sorry, I hadn't been, lived in, in 25 years. It's 100 year old house. So we had to redo the roof. We did a bunch of with and we had to do with like archivists and with the right people, we had to do a little bit of brick work in the front. We had to do maintenance. We had to sort of make sure it was up to standard like it hadn't been touched.

SPEAKER 3: So after all that was said and done, we had this pristine version of, you know, 100 year old home that had this crazy story behind more than 100 year old home that had this crazy story behind it. And you look at the barn which is kind of like sliding to the side a little bit and it's got a bunch of dents in it.

SPEAKER 3: And the story behind it is that, that's where Mickey Mantle learned how to switch it. And his dad and his grandfather would throw tennis balls and sort of, you know, softballs at him and he would, he would just crush them into the, into the side of the barn, then they would run bases. He would sort of use that as a backstop.

SPEAKER 3: Like there was all these elements of it that were like this property is really important. It looks and feels so similar to the way it did in 1935 when he lived there. And it's, you know, the town where the Yankees scouted him and the high school has his name all over it. And there, there's, you know, Mickey Mantle are, are the street signs halfway across the town.

SPEAKER 3: You go there and you meet these people and like it is this story that that is a baseball story. It's not just a Mickey Mantle story.

SPEAKER 3: So for us, you know, by the time we got down that whole pathway, it was no longer a house, it was a collectible at that point. And you've seen what happened to everything Mickey Mantle related, whether it's the cards, whether it's the jerseys, it's always sort of top 10 in every category of sports collectible sales, you're gonna have Mantle show up in there one way or the other.

SPEAKER 3: The only thing that hasn't really moved is like this house. And so we looked at it like no guarantees the future, obviously. And this would never be financial advice.

SPEAKER 3: But we're like, if this was something that was treated the same way Graceland was or some of these sort of monumental spaces that have been sort of built around the childhood homes of superstars. It could be something really important for the game, for the Hobby, but for investors too.

SPEAKER 3: So when we did this IP O it was like, all right, how do we tell the story the most effective possible way? So we put together a couple of vignettes, we made the car with the piece of the barn that blew off during a storm at some point like two years ago, that was tucked into the barn.

SPEAKER 3: We did some cool stuff around it to make sure the story got brought to life. But that's really just scratching the surface. And it was, I was talking to the to the city admin who was a former mayor yesterday, Michael Hart, who's been super helpful throughout this whole process about like what we can do that's additive to the town and not just like taking the space and, and making it investible.

SPEAKER 3: So like we, we gave off the first dividend check in that asset from the card sales. Basically, we put that right back into the, into the into the investors pockets.

SPEAKER 3: And now the next couple of things we do might be around sort of trips out there and doing something inside the town and making sure investors get to be on the ground and see that story and feel that story the same way. I did the same way. So many people here at Rally had when we were doing that. Ip O Yeah, full disclosure.

SPEAKER 1: Most people probably know this. I posted it on Social Media. I, I do own some shares of that.

SPEAKER 1: I mean, how cool when you really think about, I know when I got in one of the first things you know, with my humor, I went on Social Media including Facebook cause even on my personal Facebook, Rob, not even the show Facebook and said, hey, you're looking, you know, tongue in cheek, hey, you're looking at the new owner of Mac. Do you do it?

SPEAKER 1: You're the owner, you own it.

SPEAKER 3: That's true. It's not, it's not, I.

SPEAKER 1: Own a 0.0014% but no one has to know that, right?

SPEAKER 1: And it's just, I just had fun, I just had fun with that and, and but I mean just I mean, you're talking about an iconic, I don't even want to say baseball player, just an iconic athlete, an iconic person in American history.

SPEAKER 1: And you know, you one thing you know, kudos to you guys too, I know you gave it's a smaller town, I I think population around 3000, somewhere in that of a city you gave some shares to the to the town, the people that already live there, which I think was a great gesture on your guys' part, I didn't have to do that.

SPEAKER 1: And, and yet you did, when I read, when I found that out, I just, you know, I just thought it was an awesome thing on your guy's part and, and it's a great offering, right? I mean, Mickey Mantle has a, a ve, you know, even all these years later has a, a huge following.

SPEAKER 1: I think it allows maybe the property to get its just due eventually. And, and that's the other thing, shareholders are going to have a say in some of those decision making and that sort of thing. And when you think about that, I mean, that's, that's kind of cool that to me that's worth it. Right there that you have like one vote like on, on what direction it, it, it goes and.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, 111 vote per share. So that's our plan is like the proposals for that start in, in like a month and a half or so, right at the start of the new year. But the goal I think, and this goes back to kind of a lot of what I think Rally did wrong during the pandemic and I'll sit on this one and I'll absolutely take the, take the blame for this.

SPEAKER 3: There were a lot of opportunities that like, buy out offers would come in. We were bringing the shareholders, they were, you know, like the Pokemon set that we have, we got like a $600,000 buy out offer. It got voted down handily. And I think from that point forward, everyone's like, now we're gonna make a million dollars on this when Pokemon car prices retreated and the price retreated.

SPEAKER 3: Now, it's like, why didn't we sell that? I think a big part of what we should have been doing the whole time. We want to do more with the existing assets and with new assets like this one and continue to find ways to monetize along the way that bring back sort of profits to investors without having to necessarily sell their shares and without having to sort of offset by having prices only go up.

SPEAKER 3: I think with this home, it allows us to do something really unique in that open source, the ideas around monetizing that property or bringing more attention and more positive attention to it with the investors. So taking the proposals from everybody, anybody that, you know, there's thousands of investors in that asset.

SPEAKER 3: Now, anyone who has an idea, as long as it's not like we're gonna set the house on fire or something crazy, we want to take those ideas, package them up, present them back to investors and shareholders and let them decide what we do with this space in the most appropriate possible way where instead of having something that just now lives as this house in commerce, Oklahoma, it becomes potentially a place that everybody is involved in the in, in what the future of it looks like and bring more attention to it whenever we can, which hopefully brings more value to that space as well over time and not just the intrinsic value and the monetary value, but in, in the value of sort of pop culture.

SPEAKER 3: And I think that for us, anytime we get an asset on Rally, it's not just about whether it makes money now and it's important now, we want to make sure it's relevant way into the future. And we feel like this is a house and a home and a neighborhood in a community that's been, you know, it's always gotten great attention when you go there.

SPEAKER 3: You see it's, it's a piece of Americana for real, but it, that home hasn't gotten the attention that we feel like it deserves because you go to a Yankee game now and you know, this, there's as many number seven jerseys as there are Aaron Judge Jerseys, like you see it at Yankee Stadium in 2023.

SPEAKER 3: You know, so that for us, like this is gonna be a, a space that baseball fans make a pilgrimage to and, you know, major league baseball's an investor and Rally. We have a lot of great people around us from the league. We've worked with fanatics and we talked to them forever. We've done deals with tops in the past. We want to be able to do stuff with the people who are, are really impactful in this Hobby with this space.

SPEAKER 3: I think that's a lot of what we want to be able to present to investors as well as the opportunity to put it back on the map for the people who are the most important and sort of pushing from behind and making sure that a home and a thing like this stay on everybody's radar. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Well said, and, and I think, you got the best interest of this, you know, it's a, like you said, Americana, right? And, even restoring the home, to, you know, before putting it, the IP O just shows you, you know, you could, you could have probably went the cheap route and said, hey, here's the house. This is, you know, and you didn't, you didn't do that, by the way, a townhouse in Brooklyn will cost you a lot more.

SPEAKER 3: I, I can't, I'm not getting one right now. That's a day, I'll tell you that. Like I'm not allowed back to the neighborhood I grew up in. That's a definite, I don't have the money anymore.

SPEAKER 1: So. Well, Rob, man, I love what you doing, man. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's not an easy space. You've guys been Uber successful in the, the 67 years now. You're, you're adding more things to the repertoire too as you go along, such as, as this, with, with the Mantle Boyhood Home.

SPEAKER 1: It's gonna be exciting. I don't know how that might be a little tricky at the top, but something tells me you're gonna figure out a way to do it. So, looking forward to seeing what's next. I love to have you back.

SPEAKER 1: There's a couple of things I didn't touch on, but we can always get you back on as long as you come back. But of course, I always get, I always give you, I always give the guest kind of the final word, charity, socials website, anything you want where people can see what Rally is doing and, and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Catch us on It's Rally Road, Rally RD.com. We're at Rally on Instagram, we're on Rally RD on Twitter and across all the other social platforms. I'm Rob Patros on every platform.

SPEAKER 3: And this is, you know, I say this a lot, but it's the truth, everything that we're trying to do is built around the investor community and, and the group that we put together that cares about what we're into and what we're up to where they have a good opinion, a bad opinion, whether they have good feedback or critique. I personally want to hear it and you know, publicly or privately.

SPEAKER 3: And I think everybody at our platform and everybody in our company wants to hear it too. So any thoughts you guys have about what the future looks like? We're always down to have a conversation about that. And I appreciate you having me on too. And this is, you know, as the long time comes, I'm a listener for a minute.

SPEAKER 3: I'm glad that, you've been a really good voice in the Hobby for a minute. You, someone I've always listened to so to be on is like, and to sneak my way into the, eventually see my way into the binder. Dude with the, with the guest cards feels like a massive win. I feel like that's like my biggest win of the week.

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, the feelings mutual. I'm glad, I'm glad, you came on and let's not make this, a one hit wonder. We'll have you back to, we'll get, we'll get, we'll get into some of, your collection and, and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 1: I'm definitely as as well. I, I, you know, the darn Manel house, you know, pick up some of that space. So we'll have you back on, maybe even follow up with that too. Like where that Yeah, for sure that, that as well. So Rob again, continued success. Keep killing it, man.

SPEAKER 1: Thanks again. Thank you. All right, appreciate Rob making some time coming on. Finally had him on the show, check out what Rally's doing and offering.

SPEAKER 1: If you missed out on the Mantel House offering, look on their secondary market, I believe we'll be able to still buy shares if that's something you wanna do. And a pretty cool item, whether you wanna buy in or not, you gotta admit that is a pretty cool, offering. So, we'll have Rob back on again, maybe in a, a month or two. But, really appreciate, what he's doing so.

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