Ep.260 w/ Marshall Fogel Part II

SPEAKER 1: What is up? Welcome to episode 260 of Sports Car Nation. Happy to be back and happy to be back with part two of our conversation with Marshall Fogel. Some more interesting, topics we are gonna cover, some of his favorites and things like that.

SPEAKER 1: Before we get to that, I wanna say thank you to everyone who reached out whether it be on Social Media or email or, with, happy birthdays, celebrated that, last Friday. So thank you for everyone that did that. Congrats to our birthday giveaway, which was 51 hockey inserts, autos and game views from upper deck courtesy of their box reviews and, 51 cards to match, my age.

SPEAKER 1: And so, you know, now we're on to, back to our conversation with Mr Marshall Fog and, again, very generous of his time, coming on and, you know, hope to have Mon, again down the line as well. So without further ado here is part two.

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SPEAKER 1: Here is part two in our conclusion of our interview with Marshall Fogel. Enjoy.

SPEAKER 1: I know you have a fondness for Mickey Mantle. Was that your favorite player kind of growing up?

SPEAKER 4: Well, before I say that I did want to mention one other answer to your last question. I think it's important collecting baseball gloves.

SPEAKER 4: The problem with that is that there's not a lot of records on these gloves. And so when they sell them game news, what I do is I get a hold of, of a fellow named Jim Daniels. He has a website. He can tell you that that glove was made during the career of a ball player.

SPEAKER 4: I'll give you an example. They had a Sandy Colfax game use glove that they was advertised as game use, but that glove was made after his career. So, you know, there's, it's, it's another complicated subject that you have to deal with. Another one is collecting pins back.

SPEAKER 4: There are a lot of pin backs that have been recreated, you know, pins of mantle are white or Yogi Bear and so on. So every subject requires a different form of knowledge of how to collect and be sure that it's real. And as far as Mickey Mantle is concerned, I started when I was a kid. He was already a hero.

SPEAKER 4: He, he that was to own him when I was a kid to own a 1952 or 53 tops of Mickey Mantle. This is going back in the fifties. That was the car to own. Not Willie Mays, not, not Jackie Robinson, not, not to who wouldn't want to own them.

SPEAKER 4: But man was so far ahead of everybody that it stuck in my mind that I had to own in 1996 the man tent. No. And I couldn't even afford, at the time I had to pay, make payments on it, but I just knew that I had to have it and then someday it would surpass the value of the harness Wagner card. And later on I was right.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I'm a Jackie Robinson guy. I'm a Jackie Robinson guy. So, no, I'm, I'm, well, I'm not kidding. I am a Jackie Robinson guy. But, you know, but listen, man. Oh, but during that era for sure was, a lot of, a lot of people's favorite, a lot of people's heroes. So, definitely, understand that, for sure.

SPEAKER 1: When, when, when it, when it comes to, you know, do you feel like there's underrated players, in the hobby? Is there someone when you look at their, that's, you know, not that it's all about value but you're like, wow, his, his cards go for a lot less than they should and, and sort of a two pronged question.

SPEAKER 1: Is there a player that you look at? And you say, man, they're, they're a little bit overrated. Their cards go for, more than to me, you know, this would be your opinion, than they should. Do you ever, look at like a player on that level?

SPEAKER 4: Well, I need to finish answering the last question when you brought up Jackie Robinson, Jackie Robinson, in my opinion, became my hero, you know, back in 19 fifties, you know, I wasn't aware of the historical significance of this fine, fine man. And his a, a activist role in civil rights and, and the more I learned about him, the more I appreciated collecting him.

SPEAKER 4: He means as much to me as some of the other players, I mean, there's so much history to baseball with, with, players of all cultures and races and religions, whether it's Hank River who is Jewish or, or Willie Mays or Ernie Banks who actually stayed at my house.

SPEAKER 4: So, you know, overall as time goes on and history becomes important, you learn that players like you love Jackie Robinson is loved by a lot of other players otherwise, why would they retire at number 42? And as far as, your question of underrated players? Oh, boy. There are many of those and many overrated. I'll tell you it's underrated. Don Sutton. Here's a guy that pitched 23 years. It's 23 years. 300 wins or more.

SPEAKER 4: Another one is early when, I think, a guy like Bobby Chance who 5 ft six or seven and hit and pitched 21 winning games. Ned Garver played for the Browns won 20 games for a lousy team. Not that their value is there, but it's but they're worth more money in collecting because of the issue of who they are. John Larson lost 21 games playing for the Browns and then this is a no hitter in the World Series.

SPEAKER 4: So there are overrated players as well, but Fred mcgriff, I mean, honestly, some of these guys are getting all of are good players, but they're not Hall Of Fame players. So another underrated player is Harry Heilman. Harry Helman was Ty Cobb's favorite player when Cobb was manager of Detroit, Harry Helman hit 400 or twice.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, there, there's so many of these guys, Frankie Frisch.

SPEAKER 4: But in a way, I think what's happening John is some of these underrated players are really becoming more important. I think that's what I try to tell people when they collect, read about them.

SPEAKER 4: They're interesting people. They, they, they're just fa fascinating read about Hyde Pockets, Kelly and, and Dave Bancroft and just they, they just, they're kind of like good old boys. They're just fascinating. I think a player that's underrated also is Roger Morrison. I firmly believe he should be in Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 4: So that gives you a sense of some of them, not all of them, but some of the players I think are overrated and some of the players that are underrated, I mean, some of these players are getting the whole thing now, certainly couldn't get in the Hall Of Fame 40 years ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: With, with that being said and, and, and you brought up, I'm sure a lot of people are going to hear this and, and go and, and look up some of those folks as, as they should and learn more about them.

SPEAKER 1: I, I guess again, another two pronged question. Do you still follow today's game? And there is there and if you do, is there anyone of today's current players that you know that you've taken a fondness to or will live up to that sort of billing of players from? Yes, potential.

SPEAKER 4: Well, as far as the modern players go, I think Cheeter was a phenomenal player.

SPEAKER 4: I watched him play cause I exhibit my collection in part to the Yankee Museum. I've been doing it out for 10 years, over 10 years. So, and I grew up as a Yankee fan because we were Denver was a farm club for the Yankees when Tony Kubek played here, Johnny Blanchard, Ryan Durham, Bobby Richardson, Don Arson Ralph, how just to name a few?

SPEAKER 4: And so Yankees have always been my favorite team and now I have another favorite team. The Colorado Rockies today, I became really close with the owner Dick Monfort. I know he, he really cares about trying to get a team that can do better. He works hard at what he does. He's a hell of a good guy. So, I, I feel bad that we lost Arnao, watching him play.

SPEAKER 4: He's one of my favorites. Unfortunately, things didn't work out for him in Denver.

SPEAKER 4: I thought Tom Candiotti when he played for the Dodgers was a hell of a knuckleball or good friend of mine as well.

SPEAKER 4: I just think, Bergman, the third baseman for Houston is an outstanding third baseman and a wonderful fielder.

SPEAKER 4: It's Dante Bichette's son. I can't remember his first name but he, I think he plays for Toronto.

SPEAKER 4: He's, he's, he's fun to watch. I mean, this guy is good, but some of these guys today, there's so many of them that are so skilled.

SPEAKER 4: You know, in order to get the Hall Of Fame, you have to play, you should have five really significant MVP years. You should be able to play over 10 years and, you know, it's, it's hard, you know, some of these guys off to a good start, remember Venezuela for the Dodgers. I mean, you thought he'd be in the Hall Of Fame. Well, how about Clark?

SPEAKER 4: He didn't get, you know, he got hurt for the Giants. Will Clark. So, you know, sometimes she, you gotta be careful when you collect because, you know, you get excited for a player and then he gets hurt or he fades or he has personal problems and he never makes it.

SPEAKER 4: So, that's just another way to be careful because it's like in basketball, all these players that were hot and you never hear about them anymore and you spend all this money on this, on this whole crazy modern card market, which in my opinion is gonna, is starting to tank.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Ii I have similar thoughts. I, I think obviously the, the production levels are, you know, through the roof and, and that's whether you collect for, for financial or not, it's still a factor you know, long term and, and even in, in the short term as, as, as you pointed out.

SPEAKER 1: And so for sure, going back to Jackie Robinson for me, you know, and I won't spend a lot of time on it. Yeah, you're my guest.

SPEAKER 1: But as a kid growing up in, in Brooklyn and my dad who was also from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, who grew up basically going to Ebbets Field quite a bit and seeing these guys up close and personal and, and meeting in many case, most of them Jackie Robinson from an early age for me, you know, just resonated.

SPEAKER 1: I did most of my essays or book reports were about them to the point where my teachers were like, hey, you gotta pick someone else John and you know, you make a great, great point about, you know, the, the, you know, the social injustice and, and things that, he changed and was a catalyst for, you know, I, I can make an argument.

SPEAKER 1: His career was unfortunately short, great, but short and what he, what he did off the field was Hall Of Fame, as well as, as on the field. When you factor both of those lives, as one, he's just, a tremendous, individual, a tremendous person, and a ball player as well.

SPEAKER 1: That's why, you know, for me, as a, as a Brooklyn kid, from an early age, he was someone, I, you know, even though he passed away a month before I was born, he was someone that, through, just being, you know, product of my environment, the stories from my dad and others.

SPEAKER 1: He was someone that resonated and I gravitated to. So I wanted to sort of throw, you know, people have listened to me sort of heard that before, but I definitely wanted to, to mention that, to you, to why for me, Jackie kind of sticks out and it's kind of my guy out there.

SPEAKER 4: I, I have a, an unknown to many people, a Jackie Robinson story that I'd like to tell you. Sure. Jackie Robinson, if I remember played for UCL A Football. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: 00, yeah. He played track basketball. I think he even played tennis. Like, it's, he was just an all around great athlete but, but go ahead.

SPEAKER 4: Well, he suffered quite a bit by being black in UCL A and he was really not treated well at all. And then he went into the military and this is a great story. People think Rosa Parks was the first to have a problem when she went to the front of the bus and refused to go to the back of the bus. She, she was not the first Jackie Robinson was when Jackie Robinson was in the military.

SPEAKER 4: They, they had buses to take you around the base and he got in the bus and sat in the front and the bus driver told him to sit in the back and he said no. And he finally got court martial for it and won the court martial. But he was way before Rosa Parks ever became famous.

SPEAKER 4: Not that she wasn't an icon in and of itself, but Robinson wasn't. Robinson was not the only one looked at to be the first player of this race. It was Josh Gibson and Gibson ended up. He, he had a lot of mental problems and in fact, died at the age of 36. But boy Brad, he picked the right guy.

SPEAKER 4: And because he took a lot of abuse and but basically, I mean, think about it first year in major league baseball, it becomes rookie of the year. So he was off to a good start and people he really made it difference in, in, in baseball. Yeah, baseball integrated so quickly before anything, anybody else except the armed forces, but they never integrated at the time. Right away. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And to, to have that year Marshall with a lot of what he was facing on a daily basis. And not just on road games. You know, my dad told me, even initially, even in, in, in Ebbets Field, it wasn't 100% well received.

SPEAKER 1: He eventually won people over and that changed in the climate change, but to have that rookie season that he did with the adversity he, he faced even makes that season even more stand out than it already is on its own.

SPEAKER 4: But I think equally was important was Hank Greenberg and Sandy Kofax, both his Jewish faith. We can't ignore the contributions that those two fellows made in terms of of what they went through as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And, and for people like I, I knew, thank you for sharing that military bus story with Jackie as a Jackie guy knew that, but probably a lot of people don't.

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SPEAKER 1: Do you have a favorite?

SPEAKER 1: You know, I know you have a, a great color. Do you have a favorite set design? Is there a certain set that kind of stands out for you or moves your meter maybe more so than others? Is it the 52 tops, which is iconic in its writers? There are other sets or, or, or designs that, you're very fond of.

SPEAKER 4: My favorite sets are 33 gaudy, 41 play ball, 52 tops, 53 tops and 57 tops. Those are my favorites.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'll go once. No, you'll get no argument from me and probably not from, from many people. Whatsoever has, do you get into unopened wax at all? Even from the vintage error or is that something that's not your, doesn't interest? Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: It, it, it's not of interest to me because I don't like collecting what I can't see it but I probably open the box and bring the value, you know, I'm not against people collecting it but II, I don't know how you can spend all that money. You don't know what's in the box.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. No, I listen, I hear you. I hear you. We've seen some crazy prices on, on some of that stuff and, and continuing to, trend up. I'll ask you, I know you, you talked about, you know, opening packs as a kid. What was the, the last pack you opened was anything recent or has it been, quite a bit, nothing recent?

SPEAKER 4: I mean, the most of the time when I opened tax was in 1953 little did I know how difficult it is? How difficult it is to get an a, most of these I did open some boxes.

SPEAKER 4: That Bill Goodwin had, good, 62. There were these, VIP boxes of 62 cops. Here's what's interesting. People don't understand it. Do how hard it is to find a centered card. When I opened, he opened up a bunch of boxes. Those days, the 62 Tufts comments were 2 $3. I'll bet you out of 600 cars. There's around that number. You're lucky to get 25 or 30 cars that were even centered.

SPEAKER 4: That's how hard it is when you look at these cars made in the fifties, sixties, seventies. And before they had laser printing upper deck and all this stuff, when you, you, you are, there's just not a lot of really, you see fines if you say, well, it's an eight, don't take it for granted. There weren't a lot of them. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, it's, you know, we're talking about quality control back then, you know, we didn't, they didn't have the technology we have now. And that being said, even with the technology and now QC is a huge issue even in 2023.

SPEAKER 1: So it's not, I think when you think about that, that, that, that kind of makes your point, for you, Marshall is we're seeing some quality control issues, today, with all the technology and computers and lasers and, and, you know, pinpoint, tools that they have and we still have, cars not coming out of 2023 packs, in nine or 10 shape, all the time, so to speak.

SPEAKER 1: So, so think about, like you said, in the fifties, they didn't have the stuff that we have today. So, you know, I'll, I'll defend them in, in that regard. So, yeah, I think you, you make a great point and then that's, that's kind of why. And then here we are, you know, 70 years later. And it's still an issue with new, with even new stuff.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I agree. It's not as bad as it was but, you certainly know we all get better graces in mass than you did in the fifties.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. And, and, and I'm not saying other way, I'm just saying it's still that it's still an issue today. So it definitely would be an issue, you know, in the fifties with, with less technology, that was available, at, at that time, when it comes, I agree.

SPEAKER 4: I agree with what you said. I think you're right about the modern cars. There's still issues and problems. I, I agree with that.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. A, are you much, do, do you collect sets at all or is it really more individual cards? And did, did you ever collect sets if you don't?

SPEAKER 4: Currently most of my collection are sets? Ok.

SPEAKER 4: However, when it got into the sixties and seventies, I, you know, I, I collected the star cards because, you know, you try to put together a 67 a 65 to 66 set.

SPEAKER 4: You know, there's so many cards and they're so difficult to get centered and I, I just, I didn't have an interest in some of the players but I have a lot of really fine star cards. I kind of, well, you know, after 69 I have some seventies that, that are star cards but, you know, once, once upper deck hit and instead of making there's so much volume, it just shouldn't work.

SPEAKER 4: It's just, it's, it's not worth my time. Well, I think people should collect it. Yeah, cause it, but it's not an investment necessarily. It's more of having fun and enjoying collecting your favorite player or your favorite team players.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Understandable. All right, I gotta ask you this. Marshall. It's, it's sort of the, you know, the, the hot card being discussed at the moment, I'm sure you know about it, not breaking news to you the, the, the Babe Ruth Baltimore news, Many people considered his rookie card.

SPEAKER 1: You know, not a card that came out of a pack, wasn't distributed in that fashion.

SPEAKER 1: Supposedly only 10 exist. No one knows for sure. Sure. The exact number one is going to auction with rea a sponsor of this podcast. We shout out to them. Your thoughts on the card is, you know, for what you can say, what you think about this card and, and would this be something you'd love to add to your collection?

SPEAKER 4: Well, I know that one. So, really for, oh, maybe 567 years ago, for 650,000, I know there are two different colors. One is blue and one is the color red that's being sold. Now, they are extremely important, valuable cards. Do I think it will go over a million and a half? Absolutely. Is it something I would buy?

SPEAKER 4: You know, II, I just don't have, a need for it, when, you know, when you get in $2 million and a million and a half, I, I just don't want to spend the money. Sometimes you have to be happy with what you have. That's a great point. You know, the problem is you got, when you're addicted, anybody that collects this stuff, they're addicted.

SPEAKER 4: You know, I'm addicted. And so, you know, with the volume that I own and the quality and condition, and, and the historic significance of so many things that I have, I, I've learned without going to a therapist. I gotta stop, you know, you gotta put an end to it and enjoy what you have. You can't own everything.

SPEAKER 4: I, I think whoever wins it has got something really significant.

SPEAKER 4: And I'm a conditioned freak, you know, iiii I, most my stuff is, is, you know, I, I collect the high quality condition, whether it's a, a photograph, I don't, I don't want anything that has creases in it or is missing a corner around a photograph. But I'll tell you what I like to own this car. Absolutely. Would I steal it if I didn't get caught, you bet.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I, I get it. There's some, and I'm, I'm really wondering, and I wanna get your thoughts Marshall on this. There's some that are saying this is going to set the record for highest auction for one card, ever. I mean, what do you think that's possible?

SPEAKER 1: Do you think that current market conditions aren't conducive to that at this point or kind of, where do you think this winds up? I mean, obviously it's all speculation and the proof will be in the pudding but kind of putting on, you know, your, your expert hat, if you will.

SPEAKER 1: You know, where do you, do you think this is possible for this card, I guess, is my question. Well, there's.

SPEAKER 4: Two things going for that car to make it hit the, hit, the high numbers that you're talking about in your question. One is vintage. Vintage always sells two. There's so much money out there. There are so many people with so much money that collect.

SPEAKER 4: No, it's not a high volume of people, but it's a, it's a, a lot and I think these two, well, all these wells in the ocean, that's what I call these guys that got tech money and made, you know, become the billionaires or multimillionaires.

SPEAKER 4: This is gonna be better than watching a boxing match for the heavyweight. T I mean, I'd like to be a fly on the wall to watch these guys bang it out and, and then it'll get down to two guys that have nothing but money and they'll kill each other and it could go for over, $10 million or, but you know what, what's fun about it?

SPEAKER 4: It's gonna go for a lot of money. It's like betting on football or baseball. All bets are off because I don't think you could even predict what's gonna happen with that card is so, so in high demand.

SPEAKER 1: So it wouldn't, let me ask you another question kind of similar, but in a different sort of way or it wouldn't surprise you if this became the new record holder.

SPEAKER 4: No, it wouldn't. Ok. And I think what's gonna happen is, it's gonna narrow down to two or three guys that are gonna bang it out.

SPEAKER 4: There'll be plenty of guys spitting on it, but then when it starts hitting those numbers like 78 million, you know, the, the guys that have those have, they have a customer, they say, they're gonna, they're gonna bang it out and they should, they should put that on, on Netflix if they could.

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, almost everything else gets on Netflix. So don't, don't be surprised you don't see that show and they'll have to give you some credit for, for, just in it, right there. But yeah, it's gonna definitely, be, be interesting to, to say the least to see, where this thing goes and what it winds up.

SPEAKER 1: I, I can tell you with 100% certainty. Like you, as I would love to, to own it, but not in my budget. So I'm gonna have to live vicariously through someone else and seeing who gets it if we even know. Sometimes as, you know, that's, that's not necessarily public information. The price might be but, the identity, might not be.

SPEAKER 4: Let me tell you something.

SPEAKER 4: You know, I've been on podcasts a lot and, and I certainly enjoy speaking with you. One of the things that I wanna say when these people start ba ba, saying bad things about people who have money and collect and they say, oh, this car, it's really not a 10, it's a nine or it's a six or you don't know. You know, this guy is just because he has money.

SPEAKER 4: He's been able to collect. Let me tell you those people ought to close the door, live in the basement of their parents' house. You know, something, I know a lot of rich people that collect and let me tell you they're good people. They're very charitable. I'll, I'll give you an example.

SPEAKER 4: You take the owner of the Rockies who, it's a friend of mine, the owner of, of the, the, of, of the Diamondbacks. You have no idea. And that's that. And that includes a lot of owners and a lot of guys to collect how charitable they really are. And second of all, a lot of these guys that have made money don't resent them. They started with nothing, you know, they, they didn't feel sorry for themselves.

SPEAKER 4: So I, I really, I'm really upset with, these guys that write bad stuff about people that can afford to collect this stuff. If it wasn't for them, they wouldn't, you know, this wouldn't be in a place. It is today as far as Bill vs and Al Rosen is concerned. Let me tell you if it wasn't for them that we wouldn't be having this conversation.

SPEAKER 1: I agree with that. Yeah. No. And listen, I appreciate you saying that and, and, you know, I had an interaction, interaction at, as a 12 year old, kid in New York. That wasn't great. Well, Mr Mint, I was, you know, I asked him about something and he said, hey, you can't afford a kid. Well, guess what he was, right?

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, so, but like you said, I agree, Marshall, they're important figures, to where the hobby is now. And I'm a, I'm a history guy. You know, we are where we are today and this is not just a hobby thing, this is across all, all genres and all niches and industries and, and world history.

SPEAKER 1: We are where we are today because what has happened, in the past, everything is a bridge to today and tomorrow and future tomorrow. So you won't get any argument from me. And if you do your homework, you'll realize that and you, whether you like someone or don't like somebody, that's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER 1: But the fact remains that these are important folks. And again, we're not here where we are today without them and what they did, prior and that, that, that's just a cross start. So I appreciate you, you, you pointing that out. You, you know, I'm waving that same, ban banner and, and pennant.

SPEAKER 1: And it's, it's just true and I think sometimes, you know, that's one of my pet peeves Marshall is, I think sometimes we forget that, not me, but some, some people may forget, the importance of, of the past to, to where we are today, whether you care or not. It's still important and, I appreciate you.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I'm glad too and I think what the bottom line is, enjoy it, you know, have fun with it.

SPEAKER 4: I, it doesn't, you know, I know guys that have, you know, cars worth half a million dollars and guys that have cards worth $50. We're all, you know what, we're all kids at heart when you collect this stuff. You know, I've had people come over here whether it's do mar it's been in my house, Johnny Blanchard, Ralph.

SPEAKER 4: Terry Larry Walker Governors. I, I mean, you know, where I've had, they come to have lunch with me and then we go to a special location to see the collection and you know what? They take their ties off, they laugh, they have fun and, and I, I just think people should not be so critical of, of everything, you know.

SPEAKER 1: So you, you know, you know where, oh, listen, let's, I'll, I'll keep it real, you know, and I've said this on, on my show or even as guests on, on other people's podcasts. Right. A lot of that kind of stuff as you probably know, comes from jealousy.

SPEAKER 1: Right. Yet they don't, maybe they want that. They don't have that. And so it's just easy to take a cheap shot or say something bad about someone, from behind a keyboard or behind the phone.

SPEAKER 1: And that sort of thing. It's, it's just easy. Unfortunately, it's, it's not going to stop. It's just gonna be, what it is and like you said, right. Truer words probably never spoken. Right. Have fun with it. Regardless of what your collection's worth. I've called this hobby a fraternity.

SPEAKER 1: Right. And we're all in the same one, regardless of value of collection. We're all in the hobby together. It's, it's a fraternity and that's, that's how I look at it. I know. Not. Everyone may look at it in the same vein but that's, that's my approach anyway.

SPEAKER 4: Well, you should live life this way. God takes care of those who take care of others and doesn't expect any recognition or anything in return. And if you live your life that way you'll be a good person.

SPEAKER 1: Y no, II, I agree. One last question I have it's a question I get asked sometimes with my collection and I don't really, I have a good answer a lot of times for it, you know, I get asked like, hey John, what's the, the end game with your collection? What happens? You know, when we're not here anymore.

SPEAKER 1: And you know, I have a son, he's 23 at the moment he has a little interest, not in the same passion I do and, and obviously, you know, some of it will be left to him and, and f to do as, as they need to do. You know, what is the future for the, the Marshall Fogel collection? If you can say.

SPEAKER 4: Well, it's a two strong answer. The way collections move on is death, bankruptcy and divorce.

SPEAKER 4: That's it. And so those of us it's not hard, you know, a lot of times it's bankruptcy and divorce. We know death is gonna happen, but we don't predict the other two. But in my case, because of the, the difficulty it would be to put this collection together, it never could be done. I'm hoping that my family will keep it together and find a way to display it so people can enjoy it.

SPEAKER 4: Now, the other thing I was thinking about is by 10 a, in a cemetery, building a pyramid and taking it all with me. But I haven't been able to find the ground yet.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I tell you what if, if you were to do that you'd have a lot of, I think, you know, as well as I do, there'd be a lot of visitors to, to pay their respects. Not only to, to you and in the collection and, and listen, let's make that later, rather than, than sooner as the.

SPEAKER 4: Well, in the end of the game, I'll leave you with this. My father taught me this, everyone you meet knows something you don't know. So don't underestimate somebody and don't judge them by the value of their money, but judge them by the heart that they have. And it's just like in collecting, you know, I get guys that will call me.

SPEAKER 4: They got a baseball signed by Keith Hernandez. They want to know what it's worth. Well, you know what, be a gentleman, take the call and, and, and that's what that, you know, you got, you have to be, I think in my stage in life, I enjoy being an ambassador.

SPEAKER 4: Ii I think everybody has something to offer.

SPEAKER 4: I never judge people by, by the, the value of their finances and if you can do that in life, you're gonna make a lot of friends.

SPEAKER 1: Well, said that, your dad was, apparently a very smart gentleman. And, it's true. Right. Everyone does regardless of what you think or don't think of someone. They, they, they do know something, you don't. And, that's, that's, that's correct.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, it's, we should be measured by it because that's really our, our true self and there's nothing disingenuous about that once, you know what, what someone I appreciate Mar Marsha. I know you're a very busy man. I appreciate you sharing some of that time with us to today. Any, anything before we wrap it up, you, you wanna close with?

SPEAKER 4: Well, John God bless you. God bless America. You have a wonderful day.

SPEAKER 1: You, you too, you as well. Thank you, sir. All right. That concludes the conversation with Mr Marshall Fogel and I can't stress enough how cool that was to talk to him. He doesn't do a lot of these you know, podcasts.

SPEAKER 1: So, it was, it's just great how it all went down, happy to have him on, gotten to know him a little bit more with conversations even unrecorded and, and maybe we'll have him back on somewhere down the line, as well. So we've got a great collection and, fun to see, share some of those cards.

SPEAKER 1: I posted some of them on Social Media, which he allowed me to do. So, with that being said, we're gonna get to our, hobby is the People announcement and some closing thoughts and we'll be wrapping up the episode.

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