Ep.257 w/ Rated Rabbi David Spinrad Part II

SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody? Episode 257 Sports Card Nation. As always glad to be back.

SPEAKER 1: And today is part two of our conversation with the rated Rabbi David Spinrad and again, great guy. We had a real good time just talking. I, I think sometimes we even forget we're recording and sometimes those are the best, conversations at least in my opinion.

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SPEAKER 1: Ok. Everyone here is part two and the conclusion of our conversation with rated Rabbi David Spin Ron.

SPEAKER 1: I, I gotta ask you, Rabbi David, you know, I spoke to you a little bit before we hit, record, but not the normal trajectory. Right? You've, you've wore a few different hats before, you know, becoming a rabbi. New York City bartender, personal trainer. Kind of talk about the, the trajectory of, of that. I mean, I, maybe that's how it should be like to become a rabbi.

SPEAKER 1: You have to do, you have to do a year or two behind the bar in, in New York or, or another big city and then personal trade. It's sort of like to write a, a passage if I can, I can, obviously. But for you talk about, you know how that all came about because it, it's definitely interesting to say the very least.

SPEAKER 4: Thanks.

SPEAKER 4: It's always someone who, who, want to live a meaningful life, which I think all of us want. Right. The normal thing. And, wanted to do something cool and significant, make a positive difference in the world. I think a lot of us feel that way and, and our planet is better for it. Right. I think people are gen, generally quite good, capable of, of wonderful.

SPEAKER 4: And I was always ok in school but didn't have a lot of interest. I never lacked aptitude and I could write and speak so I could kind of make my way through liberal arts education. Went to UC Davis. I'm from San Francisco and the Bay Area.

SPEAKER 4: And just didn't exactly know what I want to do. And it seems I've noticed over the years there's kind of like two, if you wanna just break people who become, I can't speak to other clergy, but I imagine there must be similarities in all religions. I just, I've noticed it's kind of like two categories of rabbis.

SPEAKER 4: One category is they either, yup, this is what I wanna do with my life or it was just right. They were adjacent to it. It was real close, like they were almost there the whole time and, and then there's people like me and we were like, really, that's a, a rabbi like we know you're Jewish. But I like that Jewish. You know, like, whoa, go professional.

SPEAKER 4: So, so, but it just, it just made sense over the years. And so, iii I kind of, you know, traveled a lot and explored kind of the, the outer and inner world of life and tried to find my way and led me to New York, which that was when I bartended and, and ended up back in San Francisco, which is where I'm, where I'm from and an ex-girlfriend and I started a personal training business and that was good.

SPEAKER 4: But I just kind of felt like that was something, something deeper for me, something like the next, next level to, to reach for.

SPEAKER 4: And honestly, I grew up with a, a strong cultural identity as a Jewish person, but not, I wasn't particularly religious in my family, always a spiritual seeker.

SPEAKER 4: And then with Israel in 2000, I'm like, oh, this, this, these are the words, these are the language, this is the way this is, this is the peace falling into place. And, and this, you know, came back, this would have been kind of fall or early 2021 and spoke it into being for the first time and I had to start from scratch, you know, and, and it was a lot of years of sacrifice. Thank God.

SPEAKER 4: I have an amazing wife. I, I, when I got clear on becoming a rabbi, she and I, we had been friends and actually went to the kind of next level as a couple. Not, not long after I, I got clear on my path and she's been there since the beginning, right? Like a, a good woman by your side is she's amazing. And long story short is a long road. From the time I first realized I wanted to do this with my life.

SPEAKER 4: The time I was ordained and officially became a rabbi was 12.5 years. A lot of, a lot of twists and turns and ups and downs and, finally became ordained in, June 2013, 2013 was in Atlanta for five years and then have been now in Alexandria, Virginia where I hope to stay, I hope they get to carry me out of here. I've been there, been here now for five plus years.

SPEAKER 4: And it's, it's a really cool life, like I said, it's, it's a really challenging to have to have in life to be, you know, to, to serve the people.

SPEAKER 4: But it's, it's really, really rewarding to, to make a positive difference in the world and, you know, good times and bad and just to be all in.

SPEAKER 1: Well, it comes out to, you know, it comes out Rabbi David E even in your podcast, which is obviously a Hobby. What I think your, your spirituality comes out, you know, whether it's intentional or just natural, it comes out in, in your podcasting as well. And, I think that's important.

SPEAKER 1: I don't think, like, that's not a bad thing. I, I think that's a, I think that's a good, you know, I tell even I'm obviously not a rabbi or a pastor or anything along those lines, but I too am a person of faith and, and, you know, I will share some personal stories on the show and, you know, I, I've had a lot of people say, hey, I appreciate that.

SPEAKER 1: It give, it makes you, it brings that human element, that, hey, there's, you know, where's people behind me? The cards, right? I mean, the, the cards is all what we enjoy. But without us too, without, without the people who enjoy the cards, there wouldn't be a Hobby.

SPEAKER 1: Hence the, the tagline of the show, which is below us, on the screen, right? And it is about the cards, but it's about the people and the stories too. And so I've always, you know, I've, I've, I lost my brother during the show, run my stepbro.

SPEAKER 1: I've lost pets and I've, I've, you know, I don't drone on about it but I share like, hey, this is going, in my life and just so you, you know, maybe I sound a little bit different today and, and whatever the case may be, I think people, I, I do think it's, it's, it's, I think to open you.

SPEAKER 1: So I think it's even a little therapeutic too, for, for, at least when I've shared it too to sort of get that out there and, and talk about it and it sort of makes you feel good and, you know, I, it comes out in, in your broadcasting as well and I think it's, I think it's important and, you know, to bridge both those were like, even the name right rated rabbi.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, I, I think it's important and, have you had, has the show led to anyone? Maybe not necessarily, this is the goal but has maybe someone reaching out with, with something on their mind or, or a way like, hey, I know you're busy but, you know.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, absolutely. You know, what will happen is people would just, it gives people the invitation just to be real with me from the beginning, you know, and, be genuine and right away we can, we can connect. I, I agree with you. I mean, this is actually one of the first things that really appealed to, to listening to your pod is, oh, yeah. The Hobby is the people, right.

SPEAKER 4: At some point you have to look at the, the cardboard as just a metaphor, right? It's a metaphor for our relationships with others, our relationships with ourselves. You know, one of my favorite things is, is I, you know, I believe that the, that in the end, what we collect is ourselves. All right. Like I think we can tell a lot about people by Yeah, I've.

SPEAKER 1: Heard you say, I heard you, I heard you say that it makes, it makes sense. I've heard you use the term like our collections are our fingerprint because no two collections will be alike. There, there, there's no way unless you literally tried to do that intentionally and even then someone's gonna veer off and hey, I got this car instead, you know, and I think we saw.

SPEAKER 4: We saw that, I think we saw people buying what people told them to buy and it not turning out. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And in general, I think it, it, it can lead to unhappiness if you sort of, hey, do this follow, you know, listen to what? Buy this. Don't buy that, collect, this, don't collect that, right? And in a sense it's not like it's, I've asked people for, hey, what do you think here? But ultimately, the decision, is, is mine at the end of the day.

SPEAKER 1: And that's the way, that's the way it should be. And that's why, you know, I heard you use those two terms, right? That it's a, a fingerprint and it's, you're collecting yourself. And, a truer words I don't think can be, can be spoken because I've never heard, you know, I've used, I've used the line Hobby your way, sort of the play off of, off of Burger King.

SPEAKER 1: And I didn't really think of Burger King when I said that I just came up with it. But, I, I guess you could put the, the two together but, but it's, it, it's true. Like, no two collections are gonna be exactly the same and there are fingerprints of our collection. And, it's a great way to look at it and app.

SPEAKER 1: I think we appreciate it more when we look at it like, hey, I build this, I, you know, when you look at those, when you look at that 84 All Star Game Master set, right? Who, who has that? Right? Even if, even if someone has some of the cards, right? Who has that exact the same cards in the way that you, you did it? And I think that's important.

SPEAKER 1: I think you, you appreciate the journey to get your collection. You know, I, I talk about that. It's like even even with the Jackie that I acquired, we're gonna talk about one you recently acquired. It was the even the journey like getting the card was an adrenaline rush and, and, but even everything leading up to that moment, right?

SPEAKER 1: Is, is part of the story with the pinnacle in the, the acquisition. And I think I always tell people don't lose, like, don't forget that part because it's sort of, even if you have to write down almost like a journal, I know it sounds kind of silly but even if you have to write it down to remember certain details and how would it, how would it occur?

SPEAKER 1: Importantly. Yeah, I, I wanna highlight, you know, I've spoken at Nauseam for Jack Jack. It's over my shoulder. It's good enough to say, but you recently acquired a big card in your own, right? I'Ll let you I'm assuming it's probably nearby. I, I got, I got, I.

SPEAKER 4: Got a bunch of cards here to talk. Whatever we, wherever we go.

SPEAKER 1: I'm ready for you, man. I, I, you know the one I'm talking about the 52.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, so I I recently acquired a 52 tops maze on the show in a second. And you know, I was thinking about when you were talking and how important it is, you talk about making notes of the journey, need to acquire a card and along the same lines, just taking the time to look at our cards is like as a huge part of collecting.

SPEAKER 4: And I feel like when we, when we, you know, hit that by an hour, when the auction ebay and, and we have that moment and then we have the mail day moment.

SPEAKER 4: But, and so mo for a moment, we're, we're fulfilled, but we're collectors and we're always kinda, we're like swimming sharks, thinking about it, thinking about it, making move, just going and going and going and I find that when I pay attention and I appreciate my cards.

SPEAKER 4: I, I buy far fewer what I call marshmallow cards. You know, that, that's that there's like a test so that you get little kindergartner. Like, ok, you can have one marshmallow here, but if you wait an hour, you can have two. Right? And it's like a, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 4: So like a marshmallow card is like, you know, buying that, you know, 1965 slightly off center PS A four Willie Mays. Like then why am I doing this? You know, that's a marshmallow card and you know, you know, it's a marshmallow card by how fast you put it away. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER 4: If you just kind of scratching some itch, it's the opposite of a marshmallow card. Me is, what I call a nightstand card, right? And I call it a nightstand card when you, cause when you get that card and you take it out of the box, you carry it around with, you do the dishes, have it prop the table and the last thing you.

SPEAKER 1: Put it on, put it under your at nighttime.

SPEAKER 1: Absolutely.

SPEAKER 4: Absolutely. I you know, kiss my wife. Good night and then take one more. Look at the card 100% you know. And, so, so I, I have a few, just a small handful of, of nightstand cards and the, the one that we're talking about is that this 1952 May is in a PS A two. It's a PWC ce so top 15%.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah and I don't know that I I need them to tell me right.

SPEAKER 4: What a good looking car, especially this card, man. I looked for this card for a year, you know what it's like, right? You're just looking for your copy and looking and looking and looking and looking and I just started to feel like e either I was gonna buy one that was unattractive, right?

SPEAKER 4: John, if I'm showing you my cards, I wanna be fired up to show them to you and I want you to be super stoked to see them. I like, oh that's nice. Like I want you to really like, oh awesome.

SPEAKER 4: Right. You know how it is, you're fired up to show somebody. So and I just I I came to a place where I'm like either I'm gonna have to buy an ugly one which I don't want or I'm gonna have to spend more than I really am uncomfortable with and and I realized that what I was pricing it at, I just I didn't want it that bad, right? For what I was looking at I could have had.

SPEAKER 4: So you have a nice little rush more over your shoulder like I could have gotten an Aaron and a Kofax rookie. Nice ones for the price of the 50. So I just kind of said, you know what I've got the 51 that I'm happy and I, I surrendered right. Like, didn't give up. But I gave over, I took my oar out of the water and said, you know what I give up.

SPEAKER 4: I went to national and had a, I had a weird national time. I was much more introverted than I expected to be. It was almost like a, I was going through this process of kinda like, reflecting and collect terrifying and discerning what I wanted my ho, my collection to look like and my Hobby experience to look like. And I didn't actually spend about a couple of little tiny things.

SPEAKER 4: Mostly I just, like, spent time thinking and looking and realized, like, actively. I, I didn't want almost everything there, which was for me, very clarifying, helped me figure out what it is I do want.

SPEAKER 4: But the maze is, I mean, I understand everyone's gotta make their nut at n, I don't begrudge anybody but they just were like, they're priced at a place where I couldn't even start a conversation. I didn't want to insult anybody and it's all good. Yeah. So it's.

SPEAKER 1: Funny because not just real quick. I mean, I even went to this year's national with a goal of a sever rookie or Clemente rookie. I didn't wind up getting either one just because for exactly what you, you said, like, the price is like, I like you, you, you were, I did it perfectly like I understand there's gonna be a little sticker shock.

SPEAKER 1: It's a Nashville people got travel hotel expensive, but the sticker shock was way too much for me to justify making a purchase there. Now I bought stuff there. I don't wanna make it like, oh, but it came from you and didn't you guys both together?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, we, we bought Kine Brother card. And we both together and, and the, and the story that I go because the year before or I don't know if you have this, we both were, we're looking for K rookies and we, I found one in the last day literally at like the final hour I was getting, getting ready to leave the show.

SPEAKER 1: I was bored, gonna come, come back home the, the next day and I found it and I showed Danny, I'm like I got it and he's like, did you get it from that table over there in that section?

SPEAKER 1: I'm like, yeah, how do you know that he goes? I was coming back to get that you bla bla bla bla bla we, we have a funny story that he wound up. It has a happy ending. He has, he has his own kofa that he got on, on his own accord. But like we, we, we call that the stolen kofa as I said before.

SPEAKER 1: But then again, the stories, right? But go ahead, go back like this.

SPEAKER 4: I kind of took my hands off the wheel and, felt fine about it.

SPEAKER 4: And, but it just wouldn't go away. It was still there and it was kind of, still talking to me like I get quite, and I'd hear it whispering and then this one popped on PWCC. And I, Matt 90 1956 tops guy is, you know, buddy in the Hobby of buddy and IG and I took a screenshot, sent it to him.

SPEAKER 4: What do you think? And, you know, they're just really, it just, there's just good comrades and the Hobby. What do you think? And love the example. We kind of tried to ballpark the price.

SPEAKER 4: And it, and I, so I Sunday morning, right? I threw in a bid and I said, you know what, this is what I can spend. I'm not gonna think twice about. I'm not gonna watch the countdown. Went to bed. Never looked, woke up the next morning. Congratulations you wanted.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, it was really cool.

SPEAKER 1: And I don't, it's meant to be meant to be meant to be.

SPEAKER 4: And I just want a really, I want a really small, beautiful collection one that when it comes time either to sell off or, or to pass on. Like, these are the ones that hold, they're, they're all, they all have value to me. But these are the ones that have financial worth. Just a small collection and the rest, you know, maybe less than 10% of the financial investment on those.

SPEAKER 4: I don't, I don, I don't buy any of these cards as investments. To me it's, it's, it's, it's a Hobby and it's fun and if, if there are stores of, of, value and if they are a hedge against inflation over time, great. But I, I don't, I don't feel like I, I wouldn't feel good telling my, my wife. I have, I have my retirement in cardboard.

SPEAKER 1: Well, it's funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: What funny.

SPEAKER 1: So I have, you know, I did my first show as a, as a 15 year old kid and, you know, so I had a, a business account very early, like a, a bank account.

SPEAKER 1: And when I was engaged to my wife, my wife said to me, John, what are you doing with your business account? And I said, and II, I apologize to anyone who's heard me talk about this on the show. But, you know, I said, what do you mean, what am I doing with that business account?

SPEAKER 1: And she goes well, you know, like marriage is a partnership and I'm like, yeah, but we're not partners in the card side of things. Like you don't, you know, I didn't mean it. Like, it's hardly they can, you know, she goes well, I think she was fearful. Rabbi David that it was like sort of an escape pad.

SPEAKER 1: Like, hey, if this doesn't work out, I'm, I'm taking this account and pulling the, pulling the parachute card and get out of the plane, which was never, obviously. And so I said to her, I said, I've had it since I'm 15 years old. Basically. It's the same account. I just, you know, I switched banks depending on, on moving and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 1: But other than that, it's, it's the same account. I said you don't realize it today, but you're gonna be thankful about that account later later on. And she couldn't really know, you know, she said, ok, you know, but I don't think she really grasped the concept. So when I bought the Jackie Rookie, you know, when it came, she actually signed for it.

SPEAKER 1: I was in Dallas at the card show and I was hoping it would come before I got, I went to Dallas. It, it didn't work out that way. So I, I tell the story. My wife actually took AAA personal day to stay home. So she was home to sign for it. Of course she did. I used to. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: So she, I, I remember she texted me the box. She didn't open the box. She goes, hey, here's my re you know, she joked, here's my retirement or whatever. And I joked, you know, I texted her back.

SPEAKER 1: You wouldn't know how to sell that if you, if you, if you had to and she texted back, you're right, but Jordan does, that's my my 20 you know, and she got out, you know, I was like, it's gonna be a girls, a girls only vacation in this spot, you know. She was, she was kidding. So, I, I, you know, now I can't wait to get home.

SPEAKER 1: It's just, you know, and open it. I got home. It was like 12 midnight. I filmed it, put it on, on YouTube. I, I'm like, I'm dead tired but I'm not going to bed. No way. Wait. So I filmed it. So the next day I showed her the card, I'm like this AJ the rookie.

SPEAKER 1: And she goes, can I, can I ask you what you paid for? I'm like, oh yeah, I'Ll tell you and I told her, you know, she want and I'm like, now, are you glad I have that, that business account because that money didn't come out of the joint account. It came out of the, the card side.

SPEAKER 1: And now I said, now you knew what I was talking about 20 years ago when I said I'm not, I'm not doing anything. The business got staying separate because none of anything I do with cards. Rabbi David Alt comes from that account. She'll never like, say, hey, what was this purchase for such and such?

SPEAKER 1: You know, and so she app appreciate, she didn't appreciate the sentiment then because she didn't understand it, but she definitely definitely grasped the concept for you, you know now. But like, you said, I think it's important to know, you know, it's the night and I love that, that, that terminology.

SPEAKER 1: Right. Nightstand cards and, and marshmallow cards and, and it's true and, and it, it doesn't have to be based on value or what something costs you. Right. Again, something might cost you a little bit more but it's still, it's the meaning.

SPEAKER 1: It's not, hey, I paid this for it. That's why you never hear me say the Jackie special cause it costs this. It just the same way. You'll never say, hey, the 52 mas is special to me because it cost I would rather have paid a lot less.

SPEAKER 1: Sure, sure. I don't take any pride in this one.

SPEAKER 1: You know, like I would have rather got it for I think truthfully it's my own fault. I talked about the one of my regrets is just not buying it numerous times before when it was a lot cheaper and I kicked that can down the road and like a dummy that I was at the time and it just cost me more in the end.

SPEAKER 1: And it's just, it was almost kind of what you were saying like I had to make a decision like I'm gonna either get it now or it may never have like it's not really gonna necessarily get cheaper. So if you're waiting for that Walmart, we dropped our prices.

SPEAKER 1: That's, that doesn't happen with certain. Yeah. So it's like John you're either gonna get it now or you really gotta, like, put it to rest that you're just not gonna own that, car and that, you know, that's ok too. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 1: I mean, that's, there's worse things obviously, in life but, I just decided it's, it's, it's that, and it's my own fault for it costing more because there was, I can, I can think of three specific occasions where I had an opportunity to purchase that car and just said, I'Ll get it another time and you got it. You got it all.

SPEAKER 4: It's time.

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SPEAKER 4: I have a question for you. So when I, I texted you, we're, we are both Billy Joel fans and because you talked about having a Billy Joel, a non sport card recently. I'm like, oh, we're both Billy Joel fans. Ok? So, and I texted you and I said which, which Jackie Robbins card is piano, man. And you wrote me right back. Remember what you said?

SPEAKER 1: It's got to be the 48 leaf, right? It's the one, you know, and my rationale there it's, it's a card everyone knows, right. It's the, you know, even Billy Joel non fans or people who are, hey, I like him. He's all right. They know you just hear that first three chords, the piano thing, dude. And like, people know the song and they like karaoke.

SPEAKER 1: That's just a classic car. Like it's well known.

SPEAKER 4: And then I asked you, then when, then, then it's a little bit more subjective. Then I asked you, what is the New York state of mind? Jackie Robinson? And you said.

SPEAKER 1: The 5656 why did you say 56? You know, it was tough. I really thought about that. The, the, the piano man came right to me. That one was like a no brainer. This one, you know what I thought about and, and even the way I explained this may not make exact sense, you know, he was traded to the New York Giants at and he wouldn't, he wouldn't go there. So he retired.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, he retired rather than go to like the arch rival. And so I'm thinking New York state of a mind while New York Giants are also a New York team as were the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York Yankees. He was so loyal to the Dodgers that he would have, he'd rather have, he would have retired rather than put on a Giant uniform. No offense.

SPEAKER 1: I know you're a Giants fan even though, but to, to take that stance, like that would probably not happen in today's day and age or, or very rare and like that, I just thought he was in, in, you know, maybe if it was, the song was a Dodgers state of mind, it would have, it would have made more sense, but it was that state of mind that he just didn't want to play for a, a team he viewed as sort of, I don't want to say enemy, that's too strong one.

SPEAKER 1: But the arch rival, the non rivals and I just, I'Ll just go out as a Brooklyn Dodger. So that's why, you know, I don't know if that makes any sense, but actually.

SPEAKER 4: I think it's, it's, it's a more, it's a more thoughtful than I was gonna say the 53 because it has a Brooklyn Bridge. But I think yours is actually a more thoughtful, thoughtful one. So now I have a question. I have one for you.

SPEAKER 4: It's a deep cut, but we're both Billy Joel fans. So it's not really a deep cut for us. What is, what is Jackie Robinson's Vienna?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And I love Vienna and you, you, you explained it perfectly the lot unless you're really AAA big huge Billy Joel guy. You, you, most people, or, or if people know it, they know it. They used it in the Jennifer Garner movie 13 going on 30.

SPEAKER 1: But generally it's not one of his, it's a great song. It should be probably more known than, yeah, it should be more known than it actually. It's one of my favorite Billy Joel songs. Honestly. I don't know.

SPEAKER 4: How it was. None of the greatest hits.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. I don't know. I, I don't know. Yeah, that's a great question. We left that Billy on her show and, and ask him what to do with you.

SPEAKER 1: He's not too far. He lives in, actually I think he's selling his house on Long Island. But, man, that's a good question. I think, if, if I, if, if I could put the qualifier that I don't actually have to own the car. But yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Ok. All right. So I don't own this and it's not really one card. It's a series and I think I might have sort of giving it away. But, probably the 47 the Bond Bread. Jackie, I don't own any of them.

SPEAKER 1: As a story, I'Ll, I'Ll probably tell you off the air, I suppose for the sake of time that I, I have, with it. But I would say the Bond Bread issues because they're, they're great just the same.

SPEAKER 1: But a lot of people don't even know about them or they're not viewed, they're not viewed in the same vein as even the, the 48 leaf or e, or even, even the other issues that come up, you know, you can make an argument that and, and there are people, rabbi de that consider those rookie cards as well. And I wouldn't argue. I, and I don't own it and I wouldn't argue that they aren't, they came out.

SPEAKER 1: I, I think that the, the, the hiccup there is that there's more than one, it's a, like a series of them. They didn't come out of packs per se. They were just at, at, at, at Yankee games and, and actually at the Giants games at the, they were, and they, and they made more than Jackie Robinson, they made other players as well.

SPEAKER 1: But so that those are very significant Jackies but people don't talk about them enough or, or some people probably don't even really know a lot about them or how they were, even the back store, how they were distributed or where did they come from? And so when I think of Vienna and the Billy Joe, it's sort of, it's a great song. Those are great cards, but a lot of people aren't even familiar, with it.

SPEAKER 1: So when you asked me that at first it didn't come to me, I'm not gonna lie. It wasn't like, as instantaneous as like the 48 leave. I had to think about it and, and, and I start thinking about the song first, right? Just hit the bullet points like great song in, in its own right? Not really known in the mainstream unless you're like a real big time Billy Joel fan.

SPEAKER 1: And I'm like, that's the Bond Bread issue.

SPEAKER 1: It's just the equivalent, it just, you know, it took a little bit to, to put two and two together. But then I went, when I came up with, I'm like, I think, I, I think I, you know, if that's.

SPEAKER 4: A great one.

SPEAKER 4: So I go ahead.

SPEAKER 1: You have a.

SPEAKER 4: Couple more, more card questions for you. I really wanna ask. Ok. All right. Can a rookie card be from a traded set?

SPEAKER 1: I, I think it can be, you know, I know there's some, there's some purists that are probably like no chad. What are you talking about? Well, I, a one that comes right off the top of my head is the 82 times. I've traded Cal Ripken car. Right. That, that, to me that's his, that's now, I think the Tristar is one where he's on there with, with the other two gentlemen.

SPEAKER 1: That's a rookie too. I'm not, that came out in, in 82 as well, but yeah, so I, you know, I, I, I'm gonna say yes.

SPEAKER 1: You know, some people I know, I, I think the eight, well, here, here's a guy probably more up your alley. The 86 tops, traded Barry Bonds. Right. I, I think that's a rookie card.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I don't know. I'm swimming up the street and it set up. I just feel like the rookie card has to come from a pack. I can't go to the Hobby shop. I can't buy the trade and set. I feel like I'm, I'm, like cheating somehow.

SPEAKER 1: That's the, you know, that's the, that's the gray area of the Hobby. Rabbi David is there really? There's sort of unwritten rules and then people sort of change the rules and then, then even the players are so, and the Hobby sort of came up with a criteria and then they don't follow it to the T, so it's just such a blurred and, and gray area.

SPEAKER 1: Be it. It's the whole mcguire is the, is the 85 tops, is it the 87 tops? And I'm, I'm with a guy. Like, I'm, I don't know if it's a majority, the minor.

SPEAKER 1: I mean, I think since the 85 tops, even though it's in the uniform, but it came out of a pack, it's pack.

SPEAKER 1: So, I, yeah, I, I get that argument. Yeah. Go ahead. I can't argue the argument because it makes sense.

SPEAKER 4: This guy, I feel like I hate to ask you, I get like, a hobbyist. Like these are deep thoughts. I have this one next one, next one. Ok. If you were gonna get a player's card to Mark the achievement, is it the year of the achievement or the year after that has, that has the stat on the back? Like for example, the 61 Maris or the 62 was 61 on the back. Man.

SPEAKER 1: That's a great, I never really thought about it on that level. That's a great question. I, you know, I, I could take the cop out answer and say you can't go wrong either way. But I think, I think, you know, a again, I'm gonna like kind of acquiesce to r you when he broke the, the, the streak, right?

SPEAKER 1: And he did that lap around, you know, Camden yards and they use that, that photograph on a lot of the commemorative cards the following year. I'm, I'm gonna say the following year, if you want actual scenes and pictures from the event, obviously, the year of when they did it, you, it's gonna be pictures from either the year before or even, sometimes they use pictures three or four years old.

SPEAKER 1: So, so, you know, I'm gonna say pictures that depict, you know, if it's a quarterback who, who, who breaks a passing record, I'd rather have, especially if it's not gonna be a rookie card anyway, it's just, you know, after his rookie season, I'd rather have a picture, you know, of Dan Marino throwing the pass on the card, that's the record breaker, or at least from the game itself. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER 1: So that's my, I don't know if that's the right answer. It's, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: So I'd say I, I said the only qualifier I would put on that is if it's from a rookie year, then I think the rookie, you know, it, it, it might change my answer, I think from, if it's not, I think I go with the actual card that depict what the record was and, and scenes from the night or, or the day it, it occurred that sort of, you know, and, and, and how many times I see people post on Social Media, right?

SPEAKER 1: Like, hey, look at that card. That's me. I'm a little speck right there but I was at that game and, and there I am, right? And, and because it's a significant event I remember and the car, the photographer gets them in, in the photo.

SPEAKER 1: And I think, you know, I think you, you, you can't really like, you know, what's the word like minimize that fact if, especially if you're depicted on at that event in, in that car, you know, I know you even showed a, a picture on, on your YouTube of, of where you were sitting like I'm right here, you know, like you're there, right?

SPEAKER 1: So, so like you, I'm wearing an oxygen mask, you didn't use like a picture from an 83 regular season game that was from your friend, if I might not mistaken, took the photo.

SPEAKER 1: So that's where, that's where like, hey, that's the actual, that's the game, that's the game. And that's, you know, I think there's significance to that.

SPEAKER 1: You could say, hey, here's, here's a picture from 83 and I'm sitting in this general area, but I'm probably not there in the picture now, but you can point to that picture and say I'm there, you know, I'm, you know, I think there's something to be said, you know, about those, but I think being a rookie might change that equation, you know.

SPEAKER 1: So, but no, that great question. It's, it's funny you don't think about some things until they get thrown at you.

SPEAKER 1: I love that, that stuff because sometimes, you know, you have to think about like your own answer. Like, what do I feel about this? Like you have to be introspective. Absolutely.

SPEAKER 1: And especially if it's not something you thought about even before you thinking about it in a sense for the, the first time. And I think sometimes I've been asked things like that and I'm like, I, I hear my answer and I'm like, sort of surprised cause sometimes it might be a little bit more off the cuff than something else I've talked about or, or, or what have you.

SPEAKER 1: So well, well, listen, I don't know if this was your show or my show doesn't matter because we just hang and it's all good. Yeah, we, we, we had fun.

SPEAKER 1: I know I've said it more than once but it's true. What you're doing is different. It's outside the box. It's important.

SPEAKER 1: And, it's interesting and whether you, you know, I didn't attend the 84 all-star game and you made it interesting. I watched it, in New York City, 2500 miles away. And it's funny you talking about stuff if things come back, like I forgot that's until Rabbi David talked about.

SPEAKER 1: Like now I remember that now, you know, it's funny it brings you back right to, I was a 12 year old kid. I was re I hadn't started working in the card store yet. I was really in the cards. I got the cards. I started when I was seven. I really ramped it up at, at nine or 10.

SPEAKER 1: And so I was, I started at a card store at 13. So it was the year before, I got into the card store. I got my own was the 78 79 79 CS. It was it was a first pack. I, I got my grandfather bought it. I asked that I saw my, I had Jaws cards and the tops. Remember Jaws cards.

SPEAKER 1: So I had, I don't even think I opened packs. Right? I think just some kids just, hey, you want these Jaws cards from the movie? Like I think I just acquired them, someone gave them.

SPEAKER 1: But the first pack I ever truly opened was I went to the corner store in Brooklyn with my, with my grandfather, I was raised by my grandparents and I saw the packs on the front counter as we were approaching and I put two and two together from the Jaws packs that these are baseball packs.

SPEAKER 1: And I'm like, grandpa, can I have, can I get a pack? He goes, I'Ll buy you a couple of packs and he bought me a couple of packs. I didn't even get out of the store. I opened the first pack and like the third or fourth car down was Reggie Jackson.

SPEAKER 1: And you know, I was a Yankee kid, at the time when I was young, I, I converted a Mets fan that was a whole George Steinbrenner deal there. That's a show in itself but at the time, yeah, I was a Thurman Munson guy. Thurman Munson was the first guy and I've talked about this where II I cried. It was the first time I realized what death was when, when his plane crashed.

SPEAKER 1: And there, you know, obviously it made huge news all over the country, but especially in New York City and they broke in and they broke into the regular programming. The, the report that this will tell you how naive. I was, I asked my, my grandfather does that mean he's not gonna be playing baseball next year for the Yankees?

SPEAKER 1: You know, I had no concept of course death and, and, and life after, you know, anything like that for all I knew. I thought we, we lived forever. No one ever at that point. I, I hadn't even, I think it was five when that occurred. So I didn't even have a, I had never attended a wake or anything that I would have known.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, my grandfather actually sat me down. It's funny how you remember stuff, you know, he said John, I have to, you know, this is gonna be tough, but I have to explain to you and he's like, you know, we're, we're not here forever someday.

SPEAKER 1: I'm gonna be gone and, and, you know, and I really hit me, I'm like, no, you talking about grandpa, you know, and then he really like, you know, I will, you know, he really laid down like sort of the details and it real, the finality of that hit me, you know, it was more that to me like I was worried like he's not gonna play catcher anymore, you know.

SPEAKER 1: And when, when reality set in, like not only is he not gonna play like he's not on this plane anymore? No, you know, no, punish him like he's not on, on earth anymore. I really, it really kind of scared me in more ways than one that you know, I'm gonna lose. So this is gonna happen to people. I, I know like I love Thurman Munson, but I really love my grandfather and my family.

SPEAKER 1: Like this is gonna happen to people this close. It was really sort of earth shattering eye-opening. Sad. I remember I cried probably for a good two days, you know, and at different points not, you know, I just my my grand Yeah. And, and my grandfather just said, John, you gotta keep going, you know, I know it's sad. I'm sad too.

SPEAKER 1: But you know, you got a lot where you, you're young and we don't know when that just, you gotta keep going and when it's time it's, and eventually you get to get through it, but go ahead. You were gonna, I know you're gonna say no, it was.

SPEAKER 4: I, one of my one of my best my best buddies and definitely one of my best card friends is a guy. I call him West Coast Jewish Chris. There's not too many Jewish people named Chris out there and he used to just be Jewish Chris. And then I did a funeral and one of the, the, the deceased, her her son also named Chris lives in North Carolina.

SPEAKER 4: So he became from Jewish Chris to West Coast. Jewish Chris grew up in New York City, Munson was his guy. I mean, you guys, his story, he just was, he was inconsolable for days. It made me think of the stories he's told me he loved Monson, loves him. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and that to, to think even back then, you know, I was five years old to cry. I had never met him. I've been to, I was at the Yankee Stadium when he played, but I was in the stands, he was behind the plate or in the batter's box as a batter, I had never met him on a personal level yet.

SPEAKER 1: I was so traumatized and sad of his passing as if I knew him or like on a different level. And that's that, you know what these players can mean, to you and, and, and, and, and life lessons there. That was how I learned that there's a finality, to life, a above ground, you know, and, I wish it didn't happen.

SPEAKER 1: But it was, there's a lesson in there, too that to, to never take anything for granted and to, to keep going and enjoy things as they happen and because you don't know, you know, you don't know. And, and to even think now, you know, I'm not saying I don't get emotional if someone, maybe a celebrity or an athlete passes away. I have, but never to, to that level.

SPEAKER 1: I think John Lennon, did that too and I and I never met John Lennon, but he was just an icon of, of music and culture. And, you know, someone asked me, like, who would really get you like now, you know, and I hate to say it and I hope it's later, you know, but when Billy Joel goes, that will be a sad day.

SPEAKER 1: I've, again, I've, I've been new concerts but I've never met him or shook his hand, but just what he means to me and, and, you know, that'll be a day. It, it hits me. I'm sure I'Ll, I'Ll have, you know, Billy Joe on, on, endless play for a few days or the whole week and more than I already, I already, I listen to him a lot but it'll be, be more and, and again, I'm, I hope that's later than the long time.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, it, it's funny the, the relationships you can, you can bond with, with, you don't have to meet somebody. I mean, I think it's, it's more special too when you actually know somebody and a different, a different level.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, d for different reasons, right? Like, you know, the music gets you through some, some tougher times and, and you can equate music to a happy point and, and, hey, that all came back. That was a great year for me.

SPEAKER 1: You know what I mean? So, you, we do that with music. I think we do that with sports as well. You know.

SPEAKER 1: So it's funny how we can, II, I tell a quick story. We have a, a drive in, movie theater. It's, it's been torn down now. But, years ago I was, you know, the way it was set up, you could, like, not be in it and just driving down the street you can see and you can see the screen, the story, but I gotta tell it.

SPEAKER 1: So it was Friday the 13th. I'm not sure which one it was. But it was one of them, maybe three or four I was playing and it was a scene where a guy, he gets like a harpoon through him.

SPEAKER 1: You know, one of the best drove fast inside. Well, I'm driving and on the radio was Steve Winwood's Higher Love was playing and that's not part of the Friday the 13th soundtrack. But to this day I kid you not, it's the goofiest thing whenever I see.

SPEAKER 1: W hi, Steve Win Higher Love, I think of Friday the 13th part. Whatever that was in that scene, there is no correlate, there's no correlation. It wasn't on the soundtrack. Steve Winwood was never mentioned in the film, but because that scene was in my mind and that was song was coming out of the radio.

SPEAKER 1: Just, and we do that right? We do that with, with soundtracks, right? With, with a song and and we're, we're somewhere and we attribute that song to a feeling or a place. Maybe not on that, that.

SPEAKER 4: I didn't know where you were going with that. It's really funny.

SPEAKER 4: I was once there was also a drive in by my house and I grew up in Nevada, so Marin County and up in, in Sonoma there was a drive in right off of 101.

SPEAKER 4: And it had, at some point in time turned from a drive in to a, an, an adult drive in my brother and I, every time we drive by creating our heads and be a little spar you can see, stick our heads out the window, anything to see something. Never saw anything. But we tell ourselves we saw something.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: That's funny. That's funny like that. And, and that's, that's how our mind work. I always think of that forever. I will attribute Steve Winwood's tired love to, to Friday the 13th part three. And that specific scene. And if I, you know, I don't know if I've, if I, I've seen the movie without driving, but even if I watched the movie in my living room in my mind and that scene comes up, I'm hearing higher love.

SPEAKER 1: That's awesome. I don't know. He's on that.

SPEAKER 1: I do.

SPEAKER 1: That's amazing. But that's, but, you know, I tell that because it, that's how our minds work, whatever feeling or emotion and whatever's going on in the moment. Will you know, you attribute that song, you know, maybe someone breaks up and they're driving and the song comes on the radio that songs not written for them or that specific scenario.

SPEAKER 1: But we're, we, we do that, we put songs especially music, we put music to a time and place and, and that was completely just a random thing. I just happened to be looking at the, it just happened to be that scene and the rest is the rest is, you know, turn out new movie history that they don't know that they don't, you didn't know we were gonna talk about Steve Winwood and I'm, I'm a yes.

SPEAKER 4: Always a yes.

SPEAKER 1: Super good. Well, well, Rabbi David, we'll, we'll have you on again. Obviously, we, we, I, I got some questions. We could probably do a, a four hour show. I don't know if anyone else would like it, but just the two of us, no one listen here.

SPEAKER 1: But, I appreciate it, man. I love what you're doing. That's not lip, it's not lip service. And, I think it's important too and there's a lot of important messages besides the 84 All Star Game, which is a, was a great event in its own, right? And, so I don't have to tell you this. Keep it up.

SPEAKER 1: I'Ll be, I'Ll be listening for, for what's coming around the, the turn pike. Congratulations on the maze. And, we'd love to have you give out, before you, you know, give out where people can, can listen to what I've enjoyed myself. Websites, social medias. Anything you wanna do? Sure.

SPEAKER 4: Absolutely. Can. I actually do. I have a couple of, can I do one thing? That's not one of the things you invited me to do. So, I have a few different things I'm collecting and when I got back into the Hobby I kind of looked at for me the ultra modern while it was kind of cool. I'm like, wait, this all can't be worth all this much money, right?

SPEAKER 1: Ii, I, is this the Black Obsidian? Yes. So, I, I thank you.

SPEAKER 4: So, I, I, this is the only real ultramodern. I collect. I have a couple of Nick Bosa cards, but this is a 2020 Obsidian Supernova.

SPEAKER 4: And this is the mccaffrey. It's a 101.

SPEAKER 4: And I'm trying, I'd love to get them all in one of one, but I've either 101 or one of five. It's a 20 card obsidian insert set.

SPEAKER 4: And I have seven of the 10 ones. I have 10 out of five and I have one out of, one out of 10. So I'm trying to, trying to get as many as I can one out of one. I'm patient. I feel like this is the kind of thing that as these kind of cards go down in value more and more will surface. But I just would love to put it out to your audience. It's a 2020 Panini Obsidian supernova.

SPEAKER 4: I'm looking for it's an electric edge blue. Finite one of one, the two I don't have at all. I don't have the, the mccaffrey or the, I'm not the mccaffrey. I don't have the Herbert or the Brady. The Brady is a story of heartbreak. I don't want to go through it. I, I missed an opportunity on that. It's a, it's a, I can't end there.

SPEAKER 1: But so we could do a show. It might be a future show away.

SPEAKER 1: We regret that.

SPEAKER 4: I was gonna say. So my, my, I'm on Instagram at, rated rabbi rated Rabb I rated rabbi and the podcast is the rated rabbi, rated rabbi podcast where sports cards and pop culture meet the 1984 all-star game. It's on Apple podcast. It's on YouTube.

SPEAKER 4: I'm kind of a Lager on Spotify. I need to fix that up.

SPEAKER 4: And just reach out. I really, I just, I appreciate you, John. I really appreciate this Hobby. It's, it's a really, I just meet so many nice people and I just, I've really also learned how to, or I'm still learning, but I've learned a lot more how to just kind of cut out the noise.

SPEAKER 4: Like, I don't need to hear another person tell me about how fanatics is gonna tenex. The Hobby. I don't. Wonderful, great. But, like, I feel like I don't need all that and I've been able to cut through that and I've just found some, some great, podcasters like yourself and, and others.

SPEAKER 4: And just really nice, nice people and I really appreciate you and the Hobby. I have those stickers you mentioned. I have more and if anybody wants one, just send me a message on Instagram and I'd be happy to send you a range of.

SPEAKER 1: Rabbi best logo in the game. No, no hands.

SPEAKER 1: I appreciate well done. If you don't have a thank you until you have a range of rabbi sticker. Like officially. That's all this time, all these 40 years until I got that. It was like I was just going, I was just going through the so, but no, all joking aside, your, your content is, is beyond excellent.

SPEAKER 1: It's different. It's hard to do. That's hard to do it. Not only is it hard to do? It's like I said, when we were talking earlier, not only is it hard to do, but it's hard to do. Very good. Like you, people who try it and, and fail, which I would do if I even attempted something along those type of lines.

SPEAKER 1: But you're, you, you do it in a way. Like I said, even for me, it just brings me back to the game that I watched, on a TV set rather than live. But you forget things about that game. I forget, you know, that they pay the Joe D, you know, he's a, if I'm not mistaken, he's a San Francisco guy and he's so handsome.

SPEAKER 4: He like, got more handsome as he got older and Cosell lost his mind. He goes, Cosell goes, they, they cut to him and Cosell goes, he makes this involuntary sound. He goes, like he goes and he goes, he goes, gets more handsome with age. It's amazing. It's, oh.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, there's just so many backstories to that game, like you said. And to put, forget even the content, which is great. But to do the set, and, and put that collection together, right. Just you're doing it on, on so many different levels and, and a great example of you can collect any way you want to.

SPEAKER 1: There's no wrong way. As long as you're doing it legally, there's no wrong way to, to Hobby. Right. And, and that's important. I think sometimes I think sometimes that message doesn't get sent, enough. It's too much like it's gotta be about dollar signs only and, and it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Well, we'll, we'll have to do this again for, for sure. I appreciate you. You're making some time and, again, continued success.

SPEAKER 4: Same to you. Thanks for all. You do the Hobby and thanks for having me on it. Really, really means a lot.

SPEAKER 1: Well, thank, I appreciate it. Thank you. Gotta say again, that was awesome. Having, Rabbi David on the program a guy, like I said, gotten to know him, feels like I've known him longer than I actually have. We go to pro.

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