Ep.231 w/ Dylan Davis "Protecting your cards past the toploader"

SPEAKER 1: What is up everybody?

SPEAKER 1: Welcome to episode 2 31.

SPEAKER 1: I hope you enjoyed last week epi episode.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I, I, I, I don't always talk about episodes we already did, but it was just last week in case you missed it with legendary artist Dick Perez and acclaimed director, Mark Evans and talked about both of their careers and what they do.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, for me as a kid, I grew up in the eighties on cards with cards, not on cards but with cards.

SPEAKER 1: You know, Diamond Kings were an important breakthrough in, in, in the, in the hobby and, and especially in my case because I was 10 years old, very influenced by what was, was coming out.

SPEAKER 1: And a big, big difference in, made a big difference in how I collected what I collected.

SPEAKER 1: And to get to talk to Mr Perez last week was I don't wanna say surreal, maybe a little too dramatic there, but a great honor and privilege that you don't, I, I don't take for granted.

SPEAKER 1: And you know, hearing him talk about why Joe DiMaggio wasn't a big fan.

SPEAKER 1: Of his, his first flight as a as a six-year-old kid by himself headed to New York City from Puerto Rico and why he got a letter from an alleged murderer in prison.

SPEAKER 1: That right, that stuff you don't always hear.

SPEAKER 1: And obviously we talked about, about Diamond Kings and the cards and the the movie coming out with, with director Mark Evans.

SPEAKER 1: And it was one of, you know, it was a great time for me to, to talk to those two gentlemen.

SPEAKER 1: And I really, you know, you do an episode and it is what it is and you get it out there for everyone else to enjoy this one.

SPEAKER 1: It'll be one of those.

SPEAKER 1: I'll enjoy, you know, even many years down the road when I, when I do revisit it and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 1: So, if you didn't catch it, shameless plug, go back and, and check it out, I think you'll enjoy it if you did listen to it, you know, give me your thoughts, maybe I'm, maybe I'm overhyping a little bit but let me know, what, what you, what you think about it.

SPEAKER 1: All right.

SPEAKER 1: We have a returning guest on episode 2 31 today.

SPEAKER 1: Great guy, ambassador advocate.

SPEAKER 1: This guy epitomizes that double D vintage is Dylan Davis and he's been on the show.

SPEAKER 1: So, I wanted to bring him back because he really, really, really, really protects his cards.

SPEAKER 1: He protects them past the top loader, as I say.

SPEAKER 1: Right?

SPEAKER 1: He uses museum glass and, and shades his windows and his humidity controlled.

SPEAKER 1: And we're gonna talk about about all those things and, and things you can do yourself to protect your most precious of cards and, and all your cards.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: And, it's not as expensive as you may think.

SPEAKER 1: And then we're gonna talk about past the, you know, internal things with window and shading and glass and humidity.

SPEAKER 1: We're gonna talk about insurance, right?

SPEAKER 1: Collectibles insurance, which, we both have cameras.

SPEAKER 1: We gotta talk about protecting your card room, protecting your cards and, and little things.

SPEAKER 1: They're not always big things, little things you can do, to save yourself from a headache in, in the future.

SPEAKER 1: Right?

SPEAKER 1: He's gonna talk about, he did some of his own internal experiments with son directly on cards and how bad they deteriorated him.

SPEAKER 1: And it's, I knew he did that stuff and I told him a after that first episode, I'm gonna have you back, let's talk about protecting, our cards as you do.

SPEAKER 1: And, and so this is that episode.

SPEAKER 1: I think you enjoy it.

SPEAKER 1: I know I, I did in talking to Dylan and this guy is just a, a force of positivity.

SPEAKER 1: That's, that's, I'm trying to choose the right word.

SPEAKER 1: Just a, a happy guy, enjoying, loving a hobby, passionate and it comes through in every conversation, I've had with him and, I don't know where he gets the energy but maybe living in Hawaii, helps in that, in that category.

SPEAKER 1: So, without further ado, let's get to, talking with Dylan time for our hobby is the people announcer of the week.

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SPEAKER 1: All right.

SPEAKER 1: Really glad to have this gentleman back on the sports card shop guest line again for his second appearance.

SPEAKER 1: When he was on the first time he got into talking about some of the things he does in his card room to protect and preserve his cards.

SPEAKER 1: But we didn't go into detail.

SPEAKER 1: So I said, man, we have to have you back on and we got to cover that more.

SPEAKER 1: So I don't wanna make him wait any longer than he than he has to Dylan double D vintage.

SPEAKER 1: Welcome back to Sports Car Nation.

SPEAKER 1: Thank you John.

SPEAKER 6: I'm excited to be here.

SPEAKER 6: I'm excited about time talking about this in particular as well because it's, it's something I did a lot of research on and had to really figure out because I moved from a climate that was just kind of drier.

SPEAKER 6: California to Hawaii, which is much more humid and a totally different atmosphere for collecting and something you really got to think about so.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, thank you for having me on and yes, rock n roll.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And you know, it, it's funny when I, when I knew I wanted to have you back on obviously and talk about this and one of the reasons, number one, it's important, right?

SPEAKER 1: We, we love our cars, we're passionate about them.

SPEAKER 1: We want to keep them looking as best they can for as long as, as they can.

SPEAKER 1: And I don't know, a lot of other shows that talk a lot about stuff like that past, you know what you put them in top load or semi ridge or soft sleeve, maybe how you ship them.

SPEAKER 1: But we don't talk about enough how the ones that we're not shipping, right?

SPEAKER 1: Our own personal collection.

SPEAKER 1: How do we keep them you know, preserved as best as best we can.

SPEAKER 1: And there's a, there is a science to it and, and, and you're gonna, you're gonna touch on that for for sure.

SPEAKER 1: In today's episode, first off, I want to say, you know, like we talked about the first time you're here doing great things with your own content on your channel at the end.

SPEAKER 1: Make sure you give out all that information.

SPEAKER 1: You, you're doing kind of collaborative effort, efforts with Adam from Splendid Sports.

SPEAKER 1: Just I guess we'll start off there.

SPEAKER 1: You know.

SPEAKER 1: How's that going with, with your own content?

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, it's, it's been really fun.

SPEAKER 6: A lot of opportunities have come my way.

SPEAKER 6: And just, I've been blessed by a lot of people in this community.

SPEAKER 6: And it's just really exciting for me because, you know, everyone knows that I was by myself in solitude, collecting baseball cards forever.

SPEAKER 6: And I never stopped in high school.

SPEAKER 6: People knew me as I collected baseball cards.

SPEAKER 6: And there's always rumors that I bought a house with baseball cards, like all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER 6: So for me to put myself out there and finally create content and get the feedback that I've gotten from people and the opportunities like, it's, it's really been unbelievable and, and you and Dan Black with the hobby news now and I got to be a part of that and, and the interview did, yesterday or, or I listened to it yesterday or I listen to one or the other things like that have, have really like, boosted me and made me feel like, man, people, people like what, what they're hearing from me.

SPEAKER 6: And I, and I'm really enjoying talking about baseball cards with other collectors and, and it's, it's just awesome.

SPEAKER 6: And then my thing with Adam, Splendid Sports, my turn art, art, turn back, the Clock series has been an absolute blast.

SPEAKER 6: I look forward to it every week or we do it every other week.

SPEAKER 6: I appreciate everyone's feedback and that it's been fantastic.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And both of you guys, Adam and yourself, man.

SPEAKER 1: Love cards.

SPEAKER 1: Passion about it that comes out people that's, that's contagious.

SPEAKER 1: Dylan.

SPEAKER 1: That stuff I believe is, is contagious when people feel the same way and sometimes you need someone else to sort of lead by example and, and get you, get, you kind of riled up and, and, and get you motivated.

SPEAKER 1: I think both of you guys sort of epitomized that do a great job.

SPEAKER 1: I know.

SPEAKER 1: I, I'll say this, you know, I'll say it on record.

SPEAKER 1: I know he listens Jeff Owens, the, the editor at Sports Collectors Digest heard the episode you were on and said, hey, John, I'd like you to do, you know, the hobbies, the people column.

SPEAKER 1: I want you to really highlight this guy because he's a, sounds like a really great guy and, I want to give him, you know, some shine some attention.

SPEAKER 1: And so I did that column as well.

SPEAKER 1: It was very well received.

SPEAKER 1: I did get feedback on it that, you know, no matter where you live, no matter how many people are around you or not around you, you can still find ways to enjoy the hobby.

SPEAKER 1: And I think that was, you know, came out, in, in that and I, I, I know I mentioned even in that column about, you know, just, just scratching the surface that, you know, you take extra pride in, in how you house and display your cards and there's a method to your madness if I, I could say, rather than more so than, than mine.

SPEAKER 1: And, and so that's, that's why we're here today, kind of, to, to get more to talk about that more with specifics that way.

SPEAKER 1: If someone out there, whether they live in Hawaii or another, you know, region that might be, you know, similar weather or not even similar weather, right.

SPEAKER 1: Every, every region presents its own sort of issues, right?

SPEAKER 1: Weather wise.

SPEAKER 1: So I, I, I definitely wanted to, to talk about that past, like putting them in a time floater or snap tight and just, you know, make it a wall display.

SPEAKER 1: I mean, that, that, that's easy to say.

SPEAKER 1: But I, I know you, you, like you said, you've done your research too.

SPEAKER 1: This is not, hey, I think this will work.

SPEAKER 1: This is like, hey, I, I, I know the last time you were on the show you even talked about, you know, running your own test with a card, taking sunlight and, and, and then where you tried to protect it and seeing the, the difference when I, I guess we'll start off with this Dylan.

SPEAKER 1: When was it like that from the, from Jump Street or, or did something?

SPEAKER 1: What made you really, you know, I know you, you're not native to Hawaii, you moved to Hawaii?

SPEAKER 1: Was it the move itself?

SPEAKER 1: That's made you say, hey, you know, this is a different sort of climate.

SPEAKER 1: I need to think about how I'm going to, I want to see my cards, but at the same time, I want to make sure they look as great as they do for as long as I can.

SPEAKER 1: You know, keep that so kind of the back story to, to how you got to that level of, of thinking.

SPEAKER 6: Right.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah.

SPEAKER 6: Dave, that article blew my mind that you wrote.

SPEAKER 6: It was absolutely unbelievable.

SPEAKER 6: And I still don't have a copy of it.

SPEAKER 6: I subscribe to the magazine now.

SPEAKER 1: So I'm gonna have to, yeah, we'll rectify, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER 6: So how it all started is actually you know, our room that we have our museum in, I started with a tiny little square for my baseball cards about six years ago over here.

SPEAKER 6: I've been displaying cards my whole life, but always in my closet and like in the pantry, I had a card in a big display.

SPEAKER 6: So I never worried about light.

SPEAKER 6: And I always kept them in dark places, but when I moved over here, the room that we had them in was really sunny.

SPEAKER 6: So I put them in a corner where no light directly would get to them.

SPEAKER 6: But we also had all these toys displayed as you've seen on my wall.

SPEAKER 6: If you haven't seen it, you can go on my channel and look and in about, I don't know, a year after, you know, I have been building this for years.

SPEAKER 6: So this isn't not like it was done in one day.

SPEAKER 6: It had gone through systems and routines.

SPEAKER 6: The main reason I really focused on protecting my cards was because once we saw the sun damage to our toy, we had some boxes that my wife has some helicke box she had as a kid, one side was completely different color than the other side, not facing the sun.

SPEAKER 6: And that really clicked a bell in my head.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah, it was, and it wasn't in direct sunlight all day, but it came in.

SPEAKER 6: So that really got me thinking like man, my cards could be getting reflection damage.

SPEAKER 6: If those are my cards, they would have been toasted, totally different colored cards.

SPEAKER 6: So that really took me on the rabbit hole and once I realized I wanted because I wanted to just play way more cards.

SPEAKER 6: So obviously, I didn't want to have a whole bunch out and get them all ruined.

SPEAKER 6: So that's, that's where it stems from.

SPEAKER 6: We saw, I saw some damage with my own eyes.

SPEAKER 6: What light can do and the sun is everywhere.

SPEAKER 6: So this is a relevant topic to any collector who has baseball cards like you in their background, no matter where they live, if it's dry or if it's not.

SPEAKER 6: First and foremost, I think the most important step for any card room is the window covering.

SPEAKER 6: Now, you can go to Home Depot and they sell U V sheets just like a car tin on a window.

SPEAKER 6: But these are specific for protecting U V light and art.

SPEAKER 6: So your art on the wall or baseball cards do not get as sun damage, the sun will still come through there.

SPEAKER 6: It will still damage your cards if it's direct, you know, even through a U V U V is not 100% but it's one more step.

SPEAKER 6: That's very easy.

SPEAKER 6: And you can put the film on yourself, take you an hour or so.

SPEAKER 6: It's not rocket science.

SPEAKER 6: You can watch a YouTube video on it.

SPEAKER 6: All of our windows in that room have that.

SPEAKER 6: Now, I don't open the windows anymore in there except for one side where we view, we have ponds and so we have Coy and turtle so we can look down, but I also have sun proofing over that zone outside.

SPEAKER 6: I, I have a really excessive amount of protection to protect my cards as far as humidity and all that.

SPEAKER 6: So that's the first step that everyone should take.

SPEAKER 6: If you have a room just for cards, go to Home Depot right now, they have tubes, in one of the sections, ask and it's like where they have like stained glass tubes as well, you can put on your window, they have U V protection.

SPEAKER 6: You, that's like a mandatory thing instead of, you know, you don't have to cut a big sheet and cover it up.

SPEAKER 6: Just put that up there.

SPEAKER 6: And then when you're not home, make sure you block that out with a curtain.

SPEAKER 6: You know, it's nice to have light come in.

SPEAKER 6: But at least that's, that's the number one thing.

SPEAKER 6: Next thing is humidity if you're in a, well, actually let me, next thing is, is light, you need to switch all your light bulbs to led.

SPEAKER 6: Led S A, the only lights that do not supposedly do not put out U V light U V rays.

SPEAKER 6: So they should not damage your cards.

SPEAKER 6: And if they do, they're not gonna damage nearly as bad as the old whatever those other bulbs of halogen lights and stuff.

SPEAKER 6: Make sure that's the first thing you do in your card room is switch your light bulbs out.

SPEAKER 6: It's that simple.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, real quick, real quick.

SPEAKER 1: I think, I think the old style are what they call the fluorescence fluorescence and led is what is what you're saying is the better of, of, of the lesser of two evils is probably the way to say it.

SPEAKER 6: Supposedly they put out zero U V rays.

SPEAKER 6: Led S so, to me, light is light and I'm still not gonna blast them on the cards all day long, but I have lights in my display that boom, that light it up because you want to enjoy your cards.

SPEAKER 6: You don't want to look at them in the dark.

SPEAKER 6: So where do you want me to go from here?

SPEAKER 6: I have a whole bunch of, you want me to just keep going?

SPEAKER 1: Well, let me ask you this about the, the sort of the tint that you mentioned, like you can get at your, your hardware store Home Depot, los.

SPEAKER 1: Is that like permanently applied to the window?

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and what is it approximately?

SPEAKER 1: What does it cost?

SPEAKER 1: I know prices.

SPEAKER 6: It's probably like 30 bucks for a pretty big roll of like a, you know, a 72 inch window, 72 by 48.

SPEAKER 6: And it's easy to apply.

SPEAKER 6: Comes in a roll and you apply it on the inside of your window just like, comes, you can buy it a little Squeegee pack and a little spray bottle and, and just watch a YouTube video and it'll teach you how to do it.

SPEAKER 6: It can be frustrating at first because you might get some air bubbles in the beginning, but you'll get, get really good at it and it will look, you won't even notice it's there once it's on and dried in a couple of days, like just like a window 10 on a car the first few days could see some bubbles and then eventually you don't even know it's there.

SPEAKER 6: So that, that's a must, that's a must have, I can't recommend that enough.

SPEAKER 1: What, what do you say to people who have graded cards and say, hey, they're, they're in case they're, they're slabbed like these, these slabs are U V protected.

SPEAKER 1: What is your answer to that statement?

SPEAKER 1: I guess?

SPEAKER 6: Well, they're not U V protected.

SPEAKER 6: Some companies say there might be some drops of U V protected in there.

SPEAKER 6: But so I think people overestimate the UV protection that's applied to these cases.

SPEAKER 6: And the one touches that say UV protected, look the UV protected and glass only goes so far.

SPEAKER 6: I did an experiment with high quality UV grade glass that is meant for museums.

SPEAKER 6: I bought this stuff, cut it custom for my wall and I put a sheet and I put cards behind it and I put, you know, I did a full scientific experiment as you can get normal glass.

SPEAKER 6: The U V glass put them in the sun the same spot and I had extra cards of the exact same card on the side to see what happened.

SPEAKER 6: They all faded, the ones behind the U V glass faded less but they still faded.

SPEAKER 6: So there's no foolproof and the P SAS labs, they're, you know, I guess they're kind of water tight, I guess you say, but I would never dump mine in the ocean.

SPEAKER 6: I would never put mine in the water.

SPEAKER 6: They're protected as far as they're protected, but you really got to take the extra steps if you live somewhere like I do, I mean, you should, I would So with that.

SPEAKER 6: What you can do is we all have most of us have safe or, and, or boxes that we store our cards in.

SPEAKER 6: And if you're in like Florida or where I live in Hawaii, this is probably the greatest thing you can have.

SPEAKER 6: It's called E dry.

SPEAKER 6: And they have the, they sell these on Amazon, they're like 30 bucks and they're reusable.

SPEAKER 6: So they're, it plugs back into the wall.

SPEAKER 6: So it's rechargeable.

SPEAKER 6: So every time these dots get black, this one is charged up.

SPEAKER 6: So they're, they're orange, it's good to go.

SPEAKER 6: So this, so up all the moisture in the safe.

SPEAKER 6: So I keep one of these in my safe at all time.

SPEAKER 6: I have two of these.

SPEAKER 6: So when that one check it about once every month or so, pull it out, put the, put a fresh one in and I'm good to go.

SPEAKER 6: I don't have to worry about any of that because things will mold, especially here.

SPEAKER 6: Like I see certain things like my glove, that's my baseball glove.

SPEAKER 6: A kid that's on my wall, even though my room is temperature controlled, that's 69 to 71 degrees.

SPEAKER 6: I leave the ac on, at 70 when we're not home, it's always on in that room and I'll, I'll lower it if you know, my wife allows me, but 70 is pretty standard.

SPEAKER 6: The glove still will get mold on it because it's, it's leather.

SPEAKER 6: So there's, there's things you really got to protect yourself from.

SPEAKER 6: And this is such an easy solution for your safe, very good and then for your boxes or if you have a small, tiny safe or just like in your card boxes, these are little, they're called wise dry.

SPEAKER 6: They're called wise dry.

SPEAKER 6: And you can also, here's the package.

SPEAKER 6: These are silicone based.

SPEAKER 6: You get these in a lot of products, it keeps the moisture, it sucks up the moisture and these are rechargeable.

SPEAKER 6: So you're not wasting any, you put them back in the oven.

SPEAKER 6: And I have like 200 of these.

SPEAKER 6: So every time I change my car wall out, I change these out and put these behind the glass, just another protected side to keep it dry.

SPEAKER 6: I don't want mold forming anywhere.

SPEAKER 6: Really important stuff I think for someone who has a, a high dollar collection.

SPEAKER 6: So those are kind of the, the main ones.

SPEAKER 6: Any, any thoughts or questions on those.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I guess I, I know someone would ask Dylan like what you, you mentioned 69 degrees, 70 degrees is kind of where you try to keep your room temperature at.

SPEAKER 1: Where, where did that?

SPEAKER 1: I guess someone's gonna ask, I'm asking because I know someone's gonna ask me to ask you or ask you like, where did that number come from?

SPEAKER 1: Why, why 69 70 or not?

SPEAKER 1: 75 or not?

SPEAKER 6: 65 kind of you know, I could Google it and I believe that is where I got it from.

SPEAKER 6: I think it's like 69 to 71 or 68 to 70 in that ballpark is like the proper humidity to keep collectibles.

SPEAKER 6: And just to keep your house dry and fresh, that's kind of the rule of thumb.

SPEAKER 6: Now, you could, don't quote me on this, do your own research on this?

SPEAKER 6: I haven't, I, I should have looked that up before.

SPEAKER 6: Been, been doing it for a long time and that's just the number of that.

SPEAKER 6: Plus I can't, I can't go any, any colder that my wife would never allow it to be colder than that.

SPEAKER 6: And I don't think any colder, anything too cold could be, I don't think too cold could be harmful.

SPEAKER 6: I think it just dries it out.

SPEAKER 6: But yeah, hotter, hot weather, you know, it's not, not ideal for a car for those who haven't been to Hawaii, Hawaii.

SPEAKER 1: Me being one of those folks.

SPEAKER 1: How hard is it to kind of speak?

SPEAKER 1: Is it difficult to keep a room?

SPEAKER 1: Especially in maybe the summer?

SPEAKER 1: Obviously there.

SPEAKER 1: Is it difficult to keep that temperature or, or, you know, at 69 70 degrees or, or not?

SPEAKER 1: You know, how do you do it?

SPEAKER 1: And is it difficult?

SPEAKER 6: Well, so I cut a hole in my wall to the out side and I bought one of those ac units.

SPEAKER 6: I go in the window and all I did was just cut a hole in the wall instead and plugged it right into the wall because I don't want to use my window.

SPEAKER 6: I don't want to cut a window and I don't have a window shaped like that.

SPEAKER 6: Plus I wanted out of the way underneath our desk and it was like 300 bucks for one of those things.

SPEAKER 6: And, you know, it's, it's the most energy efficient, possible before you go into, buying the central air system, which is more energy efficient, but we just wanted to, to cool this one room down.

SPEAKER 6: We two rooms connected to this room.

SPEAKER 6: So it all, it cools the whole entire room down.

SPEAKER 6: It, it, it probably cost, you know, it says it costs $50 a year to run.

SPEAKER 6: I'm sure it costs more than that, especially where I live.

SPEAKER 6: I mean, our bills are like $380 a month for electricity because we have a bunch of ponds.

SPEAKER 6: We have a pool, all kinds of reasons.

SPEAKER 6: And that's one of them.

SPEAKER 6: I didn't see a big spike when I put that one in.

SPEAKER 6: Actually, I used to have the portable ones that and those are just garbage.

SPEAKER 6: I would never ever recommend getting those, their garbage if you're gonna do it, get either central air, but that's big money or just do, a window unit.

SPEAKER 6: They, they're very efficient.

SPEAKER 6: They, they do a very good job.

SPEAKER 6: And you, and it's on automatic.

SPEAKER 6: So it's set at, I have it set at 70 when we leave the house it's on and it just runs on light fan and just keeps it at that temperature.

SPEAKER 6: It turns off when the temperature gets to that and then it just, just holds its ground.

SPEAKER 6: It, it works very well and you come home to a cool house.

SPEAKER 6: Really nice.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And listen, I'm in New York.

SPEAKER 1: It's no Hawaii, but we, we, you know, we just had 88 degrees today.

SPEAKER 1: So it gets, it gets, it gets hot even here.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and you're right.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, even the packets like you mentioned, I think they're called desiccate packets is kind of the, the layman's terms for them.

SPEAKER 1: You can get those, like you said, those are, those are fairly inexpensive and you can recharge them.

SPEAKER 1: It's not like you necessarily have to always keep buying them and that sort of thing.

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SPEAKER 1: What about the the car?

SPEAKER 1: Now?

SPEAKER 1: You did, you, you said you treated the, you cut your own glass, right?

SPEAKER 1: Am I wrong?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER 1: So you, you, you treat it and you treated your own the glass, you cut, you put that U V protected on it as well.

SPEAKER 6: No, so so the glass I bought is museum grade, museum grade glass.

SPEAKER 6: It was from a plastic company.

SPEAKER 6: I think it was plastics dot com and it's a professional company that does glass for museums, does glass Plexiglas high end glass so you can get thicker grade.

SPEAKER 6: I got I got not the thickest quarter inch I got like, I think it was 18 or 3/16 I think.

SPEAKER 6: So I, I it comes U V protected.

SPEAKER 6: It's, it is a U V.

SPEAKER 6: It's infiltrated in the glass cell.

SPEAKER 6: It's made for art prints and like, all museums have this stuff.

SPEAKER 6: I guarantee every museum you go into has U V grade glass.

SPEAKER 6: That's where they can have lights on.

SPEAKER 6: Most of the stuff doesn't get damaged.

SPEAKER 6: But when you go to museums in like Washington DC where we're just there like three years ago, me and my wife, we museum freaks.

SPEAKER 6: We love the history of museums and the stuff we love seeing stuff.

SPEAKER 6: You know, we saw the declaration of Independence that's under U V glass and also under like very light led light that just barely, just so the signatures don't get faded in and still over time, you know, things are gonna fade regardless, but there's just steps that we should take and cards are, cards are really resilient and, and they are, they don't fade as easily as a lot of things, which is good because they use, they get use pretty good quality ink in these things and the modern stuff especially, you know, the shiny stuff probably just reflects light.

SPEAKER 6: I, I don't, I don't worry too much about that stuff but still, yeah, great, great points with the U V the museum glass.

SPEAKER 1: Now, what would you say, like that's obviously better than going to Home Depot and it's gonna cost you more obviously, but that would be a better alternative than sort of, you know, sticking the U V tent on your own windows.

SPEAKER 6: This is if you're gonna do a display, you're not gonna be putting film on the display itself because it will leave a reflective material or leave, it's darker like my windows are darker because the U V film I put on there.

SPEAKER 6: But the glass, the U V glass from the museum grade glass from the plastics company, it is crystal clear and there's no reflection at all.

SPEAKER 6: It's actually better than glass when you look through it.

SPEAKER 6: It's, it's very high quality stuff and it's not crazy expensive.

SPEAKER 6: I think it was like $200 for a sheet of, I'd say 48 by 24 which sounds expensive.

SPEAKER 6: But how many people have a display case, the size of mine, you know, like, yeah, I probably spent two grand on glass but I have a few sheets left over.

SPEAKER 6: One thing to note just if anyone decides to tackle this, when you're cutting Plexiglas, you're cutting it in reverse on your band saw.

SPEAKER 6: So not going into the blade or turn the blade on and you're going in it backwards.

SPEAKER 6: So everybody knows it's super simple but just wear eye protection and it's stuff, stuff sucks.

SPEAKER 6: I'll be honest, but make sure you go into it backwards.

SPEAKER 1: Yes, it's very small.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not a, I'm not an acrylics expert but I know a little bit, little shar, you know, little microscopic, like you said, eye protection, highly recommended, a good tip on how to cut it.

SPEAKER 1: Otherwise you can, you can break it or ruin it or, or, splinter and it doesn't really break but it can, it can kind of, spider, if you will.

SPEAKER 1: And, so you, and, and at the price that it, it goes for, you don't, you don't want that happened and, and you mentioned price, right?

SPEAKER 1: It can be pricey, but so can some of our, our, our priceless cards that we love too?

SPEAKER 1: They can be very expensive.

SPEAKER 1: I have one as, as a lot of people know over my shoulder, that, is expensive, right?

SPEAKER 1: What about what if, now, what's your, what your card displays?

SPEAKER 1: Do you at some point?

SPEAKER 1: Do you take some cards out?

SPEAKER 1: Maybe give them sort of a rest from, from light or not necessarily since they're protected by the glass.

SPEAKER 1: What's your kind of assessment there?

SPEAKER 1: If someone says, hey, every three months, I sort of rotate my cards on display and a whole new, a whole new batch comes out and I put the others in the case.

SPEAKER 1: And then maybe once a year they come back for some months.

SPEAKER 1: Is that something you, you, you think is a good idea or or maybe a little extreme.

SPEAKER 6: Well, it's kind of pointless, to be quite honest.

SPEAKER 6: It's not, cards aren't skin where if you take them out of the sun, they'll, they'll get their color back or, or vice versa will get whiter once they're in the sun.

SPEAKER 6: Like if, if you're gonna take them out, it, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER 6: It's not like you're giving them a rest from what just happened to them.

SPEAKER 6: The damage is already done.

SPEAKER 6: So there's no point in switching out your cards except you want to have new cards displayed, which I do all the time.

SPEAKER 6: I switch my cards out every few months or whenever I feel like it.

SPEAKER 6: I, I just did a new display this last week.

SPEAKER 6: So it has never been for the reason that I want to give it a break to sun because it, it really, it doesn't need a break.

SPEAKER 6: It's already been in the sun.

SPEAKER 6: It's not going to turn, the color is not going to go back on the card.

SPEAKER 6: So it's just part of the part of displaying a card or bringing it to the card show.

SPEAKER 6: And being under the light, it, it, it, they're supposed to be seen.

SPEAKER 6: This isn't like, so I'm not so anal about it where it's, I'm not gonna let my cards out, you know, like, dude, you, these things are meant to be seen.

SPEAKER 6: They're not meant to be in a box trapped and unseen.

SPEAKER 6: So I don't want people to get scared of this.

SPEAKER 6: This is supposed to be like, just extra steps.

SPEAKER 6: You can take easy steps.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: And some of it, you know, some of it very affordable too.

SPEAKER 1: I mean, obviously U V museum glasses, but again, when you compare that to what some of these cards are worth, right.

SPEAKER 1: It's worth that investment, to protect them and, and preserve them.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not, I'm not necessarily comparing a card to the declaration of independence, but in some cases, it's probably not that far off either.

SPEAKER 1: So, any, any, you know, a little bit, you only have to buy it once, right?

SPEAKER 1: Unless something happens to it where you have to replace it, but it's worth like, well, it might cost a little bit more.

SPEAKER 1: It's worth the investment that you're making the cards to, to protect them as, as well for those who, who want to get that kind of glass.

SPEAKER 1: Where would you recommend they go to, to pick that up?

SPEAKER 6: I want to say the place I bought mine, was called dot com.

SPEAKER 6: Just Google.

SPEAKER 6: It, it's, it would probably be the number one search plastics company.

SPEAKER 6: It's not hard to find, there's probably multiple companies that do it, but this was one that happened, going to be able to ship to, Hawaii.

SPEAKER 6: And if you're on the mainland and if you're in California, I mean, you can drive there and pick them up.

SPEAKER 6: So you're saving, I mean, I probably spent half the money was on shipping.

SPEAKER 6: Stuff was ridiculously expensive to ship.

SPEAKER 6: So, you know, I think it's, it's not too hard for people to find.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: The other tip that I can give and the reason I can give this tip is my showcases are now all acrylic.

SPEAKER 1: I, I, I don't want to call them glass because it's not glass and are not even the same thing.

SPEAKER 1: So all my showcases.

SPEAKER 1: Now, when I do shows Dylan are acrylic, you cannot just for anyone that doesn't know or is gonna get acrylic.

SPEAKER 1: Do not use wind deck on acrylic.

SPEAKER 1: It will, it will fade it, it will kind of discolor it, and, and kind of cloud it.

SPEAKER 1: You know, on most acrylics, I mean, every acrylic is all sorts of different chemical components, but the general standard acrylic, you don't want to use Windex.

SPEAKER 1: They do make an acrylic cleaner that's designed for acrylics that, that works as Windex does on glass.

SPEAKER 1: It's the acrylic version of wind deck for acrylic.

SPEAKER 1: So, that's something I use.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I'm doing a show this weekend, bef you know, before the doors open.

SPEAKER 1: I, I'll use this product.

SPEAKER 1: The name escapes me.

SPEAKER 1: I think it's clear what it's called, clear and it's the Windex Eli equivalent, for acrylic, Plexiglas.

SPEAKER 1: So, Windex in some cases can, can actually ruin the acrylic.

SPEAKER 1: So, just, you know, obviously we want to clean our glass or plexiglass.

SPEAKER 1: And so Windex will work on glass but not as well.

SPEAKER 1: And sometimes in some cases can damage, acrylic.

SPEAKER 1: So, I didn't, luckily I didn't find out the hard way.

SPEAKER 1: I kind of knew ahead of time and, but some people unfortunately find out, the hard way that would be my other tip to pro tip.

SPEAKER 1: If you're not sure how, a cleaner or solvent is gonna react on whether it's a fabric or glass or plex, put it in a small, in inconspicuous spot first kind of see how it reacts before you just wipe the whole, you know, whether it be a, a chair or upholstery or glass or plexiglass because that once that happens, it could be too late.

SPEAKER 1: If it's not, not good for it.

SPEAKER 1: So just little things like that.

SPEAKER 1: And, I mean, is it, I mean, so you're well protected but are you still, do you still kind of say, hey, what else?

SPEAKER 1: Are you always kind of thinking?

SPEAKER 1: What else can I do?

SPEAKER 1: Maybe that I'm still not doing or are you pretty, at where you are now?

SPEAKER 1: Are you satisfied?

SPEAKER 1: Like you've got like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 1: You've got everything up to the code upbeat.

SPEAKER 6: I would say I'm up to code up to speed.

SPEAKER 6: I feel like, I mean, I even put a shade on the outside of my house literally hangs down from my roof line all the way down.

SPEAKER 6: So my wall does not heat up because my cards are on the other side of the wall and then my glass goes.

SPEAKER 6: So I don't want my wall to heat up.

SPEAKER 6: And so I'm, I'm ridiculous, but I'm, I'm never not learning.

SPEAKER 6: So I find a new trick or something.

SPEAKER 6: I absolutely still thinking about things.

SPEAKER 6: I'm always thinking about ways to keep dust down and all kinds of things.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: No doubt.

SPEAKER 1: You know, and I think we, you know, you know, I listen to other content and, and, and whatnot.

SPEAKER 1: I've never, I've talked about how to ship your cards properly.

SPEAKER 1: Maybe how I, I trying to get ready for shows and show prep, maybe.

SPEAKER 1: How do I look at cards for inspecting them for whether I'm going to get them graded or not?

SPEAKER 1: How do I do that?

SPEAKER 1: But we don't, we don't get a lot of content where we talk about preserving and protecting the cards.

SPEAKER 1: And I think you're sort of, for me, you're kind of the poster guy in a good way for, for doing that.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: And so who better to have come on and tackle this?

SPEAKER 1: I don't think it's talked about enough, you know, even, even in other genres.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: We, we talk about museum.

SPEAKER 1: Great.

SPEAKER 1: Glad I've never, not that I'm listening to a lot of shows like that, but I've never even, you know, hear other people talk about how do we protect stuff, you know, in the, in the baseball Hall Of Fame or Hall Of Fame where there's, you know, amazing pieces of history.

SPEAKER 1: How do, how do we protect them?

SPEAKER 1: Where we more or less our minds go with, how do we protect him from someone breaking it and stealing and get away with it?

SPEAKER 1: But it's more and, and obviously that that matters too, right?

SPEAKER 1: But how do we, how do we protect it?

SPEAKER 1: So it retains its, its original color as best it can be that the, the cardboard doesn't deteriorate and all that important stuff that sometimes we don't think about.

SPEAKER 1: And so I, I'm glad you came back and we kind of tackled that and I think a lot of people are gonna listen to this Dylan, they're probably gonna say, hey, you know, I never even thought about half of this stuff or more than half of the stuff.

SPEAKER 1: And now that light bulb is gonna go on above their head and say, hey, you know, I paid X dollars for this card, this stuff that Dylan just explained, you know, is a fraction of the price to what the card cost me.

SPEAKER 1: And I can, I can, you know, have that longer and protect it longer even past my existence, right?

SPEAKER 1: I'm not gonna be here forever, but the card potentially can and, and so, whether that's a family member that gets it or it's so, you know, so it can go to the next person to get it and, and be in the best shape it, it can be.

SPEAKER 1: And, we, I don't think we always, I, I'm guilty of that.

SPEAKER 1: I'm speaking to myself here too.

SPEAKER 1: Dylan.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not picking on anyone else.

SPEAKER 1: I think I've been guilty of that.

SPEAKER 1: We sort of take for granted.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, it's in a slab.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, it's behind, it's in a case on my desk.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, it's, it's, you know, I put my chair in front of that display when I'm not, when I'm not there, I got a, a poster block in my window and sure those things are better than nothing but there's even, there's even more further you can go without, without breaking the bank to, to protect your cards, in a better sort of way.

SPEAKER 1: And that's, that's what you're doing.

SPEAKER 1: And, and when I wanted to do this kind of show, I'm like, who better to talk about this, than, than double D.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: And, because he's doing it, you know, it's one thing someone can talk about something they're not doing, hey, I want to do this or I'm thinking about doing this.

SPEAKER 1: I'd rather talk to somebody who's like, who's already doing it, knows how it goes, knows some of the costs involved, knows how it gets in, you know, installed and, and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 1: And so I, I appreciate you sharing that, you know, any kind of, kind of wrapping it up, any kind of things you want to just close on when it comes to preserving and protecting cards.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 6: I mean, we touched on all those type of things and this isn't a new concept but get insurance.

SPEAKER 6: That's a no brainer collectibles insurance.

SPEAKER 6: I've had it for years and years.

SPEAKER 6: Also get a camera, get an A camera, there's no month fees.

SPEAKER 6: You don't need a monthly fee.

SPEAKER 6: I always have a camera on all my entrances of my card room and my house, but you don't need a monthly fee.

SPEAKER 6: Everyone thinks you have to pay a monthly fee on these things.

SPEAKER 6: No, you do not and it saves up to seven days.

SPEAKER 6: So if there's an issue, you already know videos.

SPEAKER 6: So it's, it's free.

SPEAKER 6: Just pay for the camera.

SPEAKER 6: Those two things are, are mandatory if you have a collection of, you know anything that's over whatever you deem a reasonable amount, it's all priced in the price of insurance.

SPEAKER 6: The more money you have in cards, the more your insurance is gonna cost huge, huge points right there.

SPEAKER 1: I want to piggy back off those because I have exactly what you're saying.

SPEAKER 1: So I have cameras on all four sides of my house, the the room I'm in right now which has a majority of my collection in it also has a camera there and a camera behind me going in each direction and the camera that you can't see that's over there actually rotate 360 degrees and I can control that even when I'm not home.

SPEAKER 1: And it's motion activated and like you said, you, you, you know, blink Arlo, there are plenty of systems out there that will record and motion activate it that do not require a monthly subscription fee.

SPEAKER 1: You know, you buy them up front, you install them and you have them, you can add to them.

SPEAKER 1: I've even added cameras from, from the amount that I originally got.

SPEAKER 1: I've added cameras to the whole ecosystem of cameras and it's peace of mind knowing even when I'm not home.

SPEAKER 1: Right?

SPEAKER 1: I can see what my son's trying to get out of my room.

SPEAKER 1: I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER 1: But, or anybody, I'm, I'm picking on him but you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 1: You, you, it's a peace of mind that, you know, there's eyes even when you're not there.

SPEAKER 1: And the other thing is, is collectibles insurance and there's more than one company right there.

SPEAKER 1: So do your research.

SPEAKER 1: If anyone wants to ask me, I'm, I'm not gonna mention them, you know, by name on the air.

SPEAKER 1: But if anyone wants to ask me or Dylan, hey, which company do you use?

SPEAKER 1: Well, I don't wanna speak for Dion's right here.

SPEAKER 1: But I'll gladly, tell you, who it is and it's very important.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: And I'm not, you know, you think insurance, you always think something gets stolen, right?

SPEAKER 1: It's more than theft, right?

SPEAKER 1: You got flood natural disasters also.

SPEAKER 1: Fire God forbid.

SPEAKER 1: All that stuff is, is under that insurance umbrella and I know people don't like to talk about insurance.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: Because i, it's not, if you have to use insurance or, or file a claim, it's not fun.

SPEAKER 1: It's not good, but insurance is, is the thing you need it.

SPEAKER 1: You hope you never, you hope you never have to file a claim.

SPEAKER 1: You can use it.

SPEAKER 1: But it's very important to have, especially if you have some high dollar cards if you ship a lot.

SPEAKER 1: Like I for me, Dylan, I have actually two policies.

SPEAKER 1: I have a house, what's called a collector's one and I have a dealer's policy and the dealer's policy covers cards that I ship to other people and it covers cards that people ship to me.

SPEAKER 1: So if I buy an expensive card from you, for example, I'm going to tell you, hey, Dylan, for my insurance to cover it, even though you're shipping, my insurance will cover it all you.

SPEAKER 1: I and I'll pay you for the, the added expense.

SPEAKER 1: But you need to send that to me where I have to sign for it.

SPEAKER 1: And so a couple bucks extra two or three bucks.

SPEAKER 1: And if something happens, even though you're shipping it to me, I bought it from you and you send it that way, signature confirmation and somehow I don't get it.

SPEAKER 1: You know, it gets lost.

SPEAKER 1: The, the mailman or the fedex guy steals it.

SPEAKER 1: You know, it happens.

SPEAKER 1: We read about it in the news.

SPEAKER 1: Most of them are great people.

SPEAKER 1: But if you have that one person that does that my, that collectibles insurance, a dealer's policy will actually cover it even though you shipped it.

SPEAKER 1: If you just did it the right way, my insurance will cover the both of us in a sense.

SPEAKER 1: So it's, especially if you ship a lot of cards.

SPEAKER 1: I do some, I do bulk Suby now with S G C.

SPEAKER 1: So the most of those cards I'm sending down to Florida are not mine.

SPEAKER 1: I need to make sure that they're covered insured and protected worst case scenario and, and you know, God forbid something terrible happens, right?

SPEAKER 1: Because I can't tell someone.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, sorry about that.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER 1: Right.

SPEAKER 1: That's that answer is not going to suffice and you know, but what I can tell him is, hey, I'm covering insurance.

SPEAKER 1: I got to fill out the claim and, and let's, let's do process.

SPEAKER 1: So a great, great point by you with the with cameras and collectibles insurance and, and even if you don't ship a lot of cards back and forth.

SPEAKER 1: That's fine.

SPEAKER 1: But even having one for the cards that you have on, on your property, on premises as, as well, for not just theft again, but all sorts of things that, that could occur by natural disaster and, and fire, flood and, and all that, great stuff, that we hear about in the news almost every day.

SPEAKER 1: So, I'm glad you mentioned that too because those are equally important and you can, you can protect your card right with, you know, museum grade glass.

SPEAKER 1: But, you know, God forbid a hurricane or a tornado, that's not, the glass is not gonna see might, it might knock the sun down, it's not gonna, it's not gonna knock a hurricane or, or, or severe winds or severe weather, you know, and, and hopefully that obviously never happens, but, very important to, to mention that, you know, good on you too.

SPEAKER 1: So again, Dylan, I appreciate you.

SPEAKER 1: You sharing that, I'll, I'll, you know, if anyone has any questions, I, I, I can speak for Dylan in this, in this regard.

SPEAKER 1: He's, one of the most helpful guys you're gonna find in a hobby.

SPEAKER 1: I'm sure he'll be glad if you reach out to him, he'll be glad to help, you know, if you have any additional questions after hearing some of, of what he talked about, he'll be glad to help you.

SPEAKER 1: So, with that.

SPEAKER 1: Being said, share those whatever socials you want, where people can find what you're doing, your YouTube stuff.

SPEAKER 1: All that great content you're creating give that stuff out so people can keep tabs on you there.

SPEAKER 1: Dylan.

SPEAKER 1: Right on.

SPEAKER 1: Thanks John.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 6: Well said, peace of mind.

SPEAKER 6: That's what life's about.

SPEAKER 6: All right, you can find me on YouTube at double D vintage baseball cards.

SPEAKER 6: And then also I want to shout out Adam Splendid sports because we're kind of a team.

SPEAKER 6: Me and him have become really, really good friends and we do the turn back the clock series every other week and we do it once on my show and once on his show.

SPEAKER 6: So Adam Splendid sports.

SPEAKER 6: Very easy to find.

SPEAKER 6: And then if you guys like to buy baseball cards on ebay, I would love it if you came by my shop.

SPEAKER 6: It's 3 14, 14 sports cards.

SPEAKER 6: I sell main comments or inserts older stuff that I used to pull in boxes and things like that.

SPEAKER 6: Very inexpensive, all free shipping.

SPEAKER 6: So appreciate the kindness from everybody.

SPEAKER 6: And yeah, thanks John for having me.

SPEAKER 6: Appreciate it.

SPEAKER 6: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Hey, listen, I, I appreciate you.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I used two words on the show a lot, right?

SPEAKER 1: Ambassador and advocate you epitomize both of those.

SPEAKER 1: Your, your the hobby is a better place with you in it and sharing your knowledge and expertise and your passion, right?

SPEAKER 1: You love it, that comes through, I know the first time I talked to you or with that, the first time I've seen your content, I'm like, this guy loves, loves the hobby, loves cards and it, it comes out of his pores and I think anyone else, I think that's very apparent to anyone that, hears you or sees, what you're doing.

SPEAKER 1: So, keep, keep doing it, keep it up and, I appreciate you making some time for us today.

SPEAKER 1: Thanks John.

SPEAKER 6: All right, man.

SPEAKER 1: That guy is something else.

SPEAKER 1: Just a ball of positive energy, a great ambassador for this hobby.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, you know, he did this interview again come, I don't call it an interview.

SPEAKER 1: He had come back on the show, to conversate to share some of his knowledge about how he protects the cards he loves and you have cards you love and he wanted to share that.

SPEAKER 1: So maybe you can incorporate, some of what he's doing and, to help, protect, your cards for the long, long term.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, you know, great guy, happy to call him a friend and, hope, hope you, you know, you got something out of today's episode about, you know, even if it's as simple as maybe getting insurance or, you know, blocking some sun out to, to protect, the color and whatever it is, if you get one thing out of it.

SPEAKER 1: It's definitely worth it.

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