Ep.225 w/ Horacio Ruiz "Vintage that's the ticket"

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Real happy to have the next gentleman on this card shop guest slide. He's a writer, a content creator in his own right. He does the all podcast. He writes for sports collectors daily and he's one of the newest members of Danny Blacks,

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- It's a sweatshirt that I'm sort of helping them with,

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and that's a Happy News Daily.

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Without further ado, welcome, Harytio Ruiz.

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- Welcome.

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John, thank you for having me, man.

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What an intro, man.

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That was great.

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Glad to come on, and talked to him.

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And we're talking a little bit before,

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we started the recording and what a great story you're talking about,

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and you got some great stories, I'm sure.

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- Yeah, I've been fortunate.

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I did, I actually did a couple shows some months back,

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where I kind of shared about 10 stories of different things

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that have happened with sports.

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You know, I was one win away from the Lily World Series,

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and Jason Veratex team actually beat us,

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and he hit a home run off me.

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I was the losing pitcher in the game.

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I know I told you the CRSC's to stride the story,

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where he came over my house, he ate some dinner with us,

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and we got him back to the hotel, gave me a bat,

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years later, headed sign.

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I got the bat and catched down in Frank.

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I've been very, I guess very blessed to have

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some of those great stories.

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I've seen a lot of them seem to revolve around baseball,

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and it's fun to kind of share those.

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But you're in the gas, so we're gonna talk about what you do.

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Talk about your dad, I know you got young kids,

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and I always say I'm just showing it's easy for me

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I have a 23 year old.

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So I used to code for our city sports,

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and the podcast and sort of replace that when I stepped away from that.

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But young kids, how do you balance what you do?

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How do you advise content wise writing and being a dad,

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a husband, and all that fun stuff?

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How do you manage that, I guess?

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- Yeah, that's a really good question.

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And sometimes I should stop and wonder,

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ask myself the same thing,

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because I don't know what there's such thing as balancing

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is just kind of getting through,

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you know, taking a day by day.

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But I will say like one of the biggest things

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whether it's writing or getting a podcast done is,

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and it goes back to what they taught us when we were younger.

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I mean, high school is like time management, right?

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It's something that you really learn when you are in college,

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and maybe that's probably like one of the biggest skills

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I learned in college.

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After that, first semester of freshman year,

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you kind of realize I need to do a better job

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of studying, of going about early and being a responsible student.

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And so I kind of carried that into,

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into, you know, and so adulthood for the most part,

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for the most part.

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So what that means is like, what that might look like

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is my oldest son, 97 years old,

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but he's really getting into hockey.

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So we're going to the rank and he's doing his little practices.

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And he's got some games.

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And so what I'll do is I'll bring my laptop, for example.

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And during the practice, I will be sit down

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and do some brainstorming or some writing,

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or some brainstorming, and then I'll shut it down and watch him play.

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So that way I'm not misdemeating him playing and seeing him,

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doing what he enjoys doing.

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So it's a great question.

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Luckily, I have to give 100% credit to my wife as well,

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without a great partner, without somebody there supporting you

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and helping you out.

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It wouldn't be possible.

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And she's busy in her own right.

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She also works.

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But we make it happen.

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Yep.

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If we got a departure ship and so same here,

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my wife's not a hobby person.

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And in my son's older, so that also helps.

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But she's very supportive of things I do.

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And that's always nice when you have that stability

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and support.

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And again, Kudos to you for sort of juggling those things

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and making all that happen.

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And you're excellent.

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It's one thing to do it.

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And then to be excellent at it on top of that.

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So Kudos to you there.

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I want to touch on-- and I know we talked like you said,

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but before we hit record, last year's national

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and next city was your first one.

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I've only been to four or five.

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So it's not like I'm a grizzled veteran.

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But I remember my first one, which was in Chicago.

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I think 2017.

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I could be off a year.

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But you know, talking about your experience

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at the first one, kind of going in,

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I'm sure people told you what it was going to be like.

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Do this, here's what tips and all that.

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But until you actually go and attend,

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and kind of your perspective, your first national last year

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in Atlantic City.

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It was amazing.

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I live on Stan Island.

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So I'm about, I say, about two hours away from Atlantic City.

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So I was amped the entire way driving down.

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I was just going by myself and blasting the radio.

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I remember I have these memories of just being like,

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what did your national going to look like?

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How am I going to react to a giant convention

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of just trading cards, you know?

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And I really enjoyed it.

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Just even just entering the convention center,

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striking up conversations with people,

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a couple of guys just started talking,

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what are you here for, here by yourself?

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I'm looking at buy a couple things.

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Oh yeah, I mean, they kind of shared with me

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what they had already bought.

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I think I went on the second day or the third day.

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I think it was the third day.

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So I was only there for a day because of,

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other obligations that we talked about before.

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But when I entered, man, it just smacks you in the face.

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You know, it's how big it is.

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And I kind of just stood still for a second.

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I kind of walked in, looked at a couple of booths,

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and then realized that I was going to have to walk around

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for a little while to really soak it all in.

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And there were a couple of things.

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Before going, I was like, should I go get autographs

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from the signings that they had?

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Should I go check out the, you know,

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all the different booths?

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So I decided to just kind of take my time, check that out.

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Well, it was out there, struck up some conversations

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with different dealers, a couple of people kind of just think

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I remember talking to, I don't know why, but Brian Kong,

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he's the artist.

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He had his own, his booth there, and we talked for a little while

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and the gaming's card and I still have it.

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And I want to commission something at some point.

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You know, it's real cool that I got like him is doing that.

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And then I also just remember the breaker side, right?

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Which was kind of new and how and the crazy energy there and just kind

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of walking through and feeling that.

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And so I have a really fond memory of it.

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I know a lot of people weren't too enthusiastic about it being

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in an annex city.

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You know, me not staying there.

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I didn't really, that didn't matter to me, but the show

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it was just amazing.

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Yeah, you know, for me, I'm in Syracuse.

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I'm a refugee from Brooklyn, New York,

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but I'm now in Syracuse.

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Anytime you can drive to the National, which I obviously did last year,

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that's a nice perk to have.

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And you know, the venue itself, like the convention center,

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you know, I know that was your first one.

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Some of the other ones are definitely tighter,

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Ruiz, you're more elbow to elbow when people.

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It's hard to get in front of a table to see all the stuff

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that you know, dealers have available.

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Atlantic City was more wide open.

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So I like, you know, I know the city, you know,

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doesn't have the greatest rap in the world.

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It's got a bad rap in some of the areas around the convention center,

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probably not where you'd look to buy a house.

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If you were moving to Atlantic City, I'll just be polite and say it.

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You know, that way.

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But the venue itself, the convention center itself,

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I felt like there's more breezeway.

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It was, you didn't feel like you had to like box out,

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like you were playing at basketball to get, you know,

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in front of a showcase.

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And that's always nice because in other,

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some of the other ones, this, you know,

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people will like the city banner and you have, you know,

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like Chicago this year, you got events happening outside of the

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nationals, forwarding events, you know, white socks,

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called and other things.

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And, but it's, it's definitely a tighter fit.

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So that, you know, it's a trade off, I guess.

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I, I like the fact that could drive when you drive obviously,

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you can bring more stuff then if you're going on an airplane

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where you're limited to how many bags you can bring and,

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and all that fun stuff.

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So I don't mind it.

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I didn't mind it as, you know, as much as other people.

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I've heard rumors that it probably won't be an Atlantic city

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again. So that perk of getting to drive there might not happen

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again.

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So you kind of enjoy it.

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Well, you can win, you know, we don't know.

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We don't know.

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There's some new leadership with the national.

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Maybe there will be one, you know, another one,

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maybe not Atlantic city itself, but maybe another venue

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where both can drive again wherever that may wind up being,

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hopefully, right?

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And so yeah, and it's funny.

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You know, the first one, everyone tells you what to expect,

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what it's going to be like, and then you get in there.

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And it's even bigger than you envisioned in your own mind.

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Like, if you kind of get robbed up for, you think you know,

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from talking to people, here's what you do, who ratio.

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And then you get in there and it's like,

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"Wish, like you said."

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And like, where do I start?

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How do I, you know, especially when you're on a good

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to be there a day, I want to try to cover as much ground as I can,

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'cause I'm only here for today.

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It can be a little overwhelming, but, you know,

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it's fine, right?

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It's, we circle it every year.

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It's just something we'd like to do and go to.

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And I call it the Super Bowl of the Hivey, right?

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It's a week long event, almost like the Super Bowl is.

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Everyone, you know, almost everybody from the Hivey is there

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or tries to get there.

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And it's much like the Super Bowl and it's fun times.

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It's, you know, I've heard it called the family reunion

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where you get to see friends and maybe meet someone

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for the first time, maybe meet people again.

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And, you know, hopefully I know we talk, maybe you can get

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to Chicago and obviously meet up meet up there as well.

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But it's a great, it's a great event.

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And I think it's gonna be better and better as, you know,

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the hobby.

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It's become an event.

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You used to be a giant card show and that was really become a major

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hobby event.

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Really, really taking a life of it.

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So yeah, I really, you know, I enjoyed just the different parts of it.

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Not just the cards, but like, you know, also way had different

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auction houses had different, you know, game-news uniforms that had them on display,

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like, a little mini museum area.

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And then you got to see just everything from modern players, you know,

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yawness jerseys to like older baseball players and kind of blank it on who

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exactly was there.

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Yeah, and we're from the early 20th century.

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So that was cool.

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And then, you know, people selling bats, you know, people selling different

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magazines, different things that, you know, that you just don't see

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on in a regular show, that's certain.

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Right?

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Most regular shows you see, you know, basically cards.

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And then you might see a little bit of something else.

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But here you had, you know, a little bit of everything.

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So that was cool.

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I kind of wish the one thing I wish is, you know, a couple of things like

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to do it right, I feel like you should stay a couple of days.

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At least two days to do it right, just to kind of get the fuel for it.

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Would have loved to, you know, experience maybe you got to go to a couple of people at night

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and, you know, just hang out and talk cards or whatever, you know.

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So that's one thing.

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And then the other thing is, it just struck me like the vendors were great, you know, always

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willing to talk to you, you know, if you had a question, they would be willing to help you.

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So that was, it was just a good time.

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It was a good time.

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And the third thing I checked, the more money to spend on certain things.

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But yeah, I think we, I think we all checked.

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That box to her, yeah, I always joke right anytime you're at a car show and there's big

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rough guys with nice suits and a weapon you cannot see protected million dollar items.

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You know, it's serious business.

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Yeah, mental was there.

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What's that?

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The mantle.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I was, I think that was the talk of, you know, it seemed like every, every natural to this, a sort

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of a big headline, I think that was obviously last year.

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See what this year will, will bring and always, always fun.

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You're a vintage guy like myself.

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And I get this question, it's hard to answer, right?

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People ask, what's vintage?

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Like what year?

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Like what when is it stopped being vintage?

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You know, I kind of used the 40 year rule.

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I think if something's 40 years old, it's vintage.

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But you know, at this point, it's 2023.

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So based on that rule, 1983 card, you know, are vintage.

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Now I do think that they are sort of vintage.

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And some will argue, I don't think 83 types of baseball or what are folk is vintage.

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So I'll ask you, right?

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I always ask someone who's in the vintage like me, how do you define?

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And there's no wrong answer here, right?

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That's the beauty of this question.

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People will argue with you.

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But there really is no argument, it's a personal definition.

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So you know, asking you what is vintage, what how do you answer that?

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You know, not a year separate.

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To me, vintage is always evolving.

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So I guess that's the best way I could put it.

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So like you said, 1983, you said that's 40 years without a doubt.

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That's vintage, right?

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It's something something has that much history.

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And I guess, I don't label it this way.

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But if people are uncomfortable with putting 83 in the same bucket as say 1910, 1906,

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you know, these different years that were big for the for cards.

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I mean, at that point you're talking about now we can label those antiques almost, right?

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Yes.

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You've got antiques, you got vintage.

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But I was thinking about this the day and I heard, I was listening to Nirvana on the radio.

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And I realized that the song, the response like teen spirit, I don't know if it was that song.

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It was if it was Nirvana.

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And that song was 30 years old now.

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30 years old.

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So in our member vividly, this thing that has a kid and thinking how modern it is.

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And it still sounds modern to me, right?

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30 years old.

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Yeah.

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And then people do talk about it a lot.

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But like in the year 2000, which I remember quite clearly as well, you know, 30 years ago was

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1970 and 1970 compared to 2000 seems like ages ago.

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And you know, with everything else went on the 70s.

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And fast forward 30 years later.

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And I'm kind of experiencing that same thing.

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So as I'm relating it back to this, like, you know, vintage is always Nirvana's vintage now.

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And what was once modern is eventually going to be vintage.

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So I think anything that brings back memories, it's been around for a while and it kind of

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has a different style.

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Why not?

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You know, that qualifies to me.

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Yeah.

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It's a great answer.

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Like I said, there's no wrong answer, but I do love your answer.

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And I'm an older guy, I'm older than you.

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So it's scary now using my own sort of 40 year old rural logic that it's scary.

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Some of the stuff that would qualify as vintage with that rule, I've actually opened.

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You know, I was around to open.

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I like it's day of release.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, you know, you think about 65 cops.

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I was born in '72.

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So I didn't open that obviously when it was actually never opened.

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It was the by that point.

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It was to expense.

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We're not readily available.

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But now stuff using again, that's my age kicking in stuff that with that 40 year

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rule being 50.

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I'm like, I opened that the first day it hit the shelves.

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And yeah, I might still consider it vintage.

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Maybe I guess when someone says, how old are you John rather than tell him my exact day?

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Which I'm not shy about.

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I sort of, it is what it is.

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I can't change.

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So anyway, one way to stop getting old, I'm not a fan of that way.

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So you know, I might just say, hey, I'm vintage and get a couple of last, you know, that way.

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But you know, people get like fired up with that question.

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Like, and we'll bait intensely and their own sort of rules.

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And that's the beauty of the question is really, it's really up to you.

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It doesn't change anything.

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You know, even if you don't believe 83 tops is vintage, it's still 83 tops.

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It still has Gwen and Bob Brookies in it.

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That that just that equation is standard.

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That doesn't change, right?

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So, you know, two Hall of Famers right there.

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So, you know, I think to debate, when people like really get it fired up about it, I don't really get entertained on that level.

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Because it's, we shouldn't be happy, right?

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We should not make it like, you know, I'm right in your own.

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So, and there is no really, even someone who says it's 83 isn't, you know, what my fourth.

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I'm not going to do that to you.

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It isn't to me.

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And we, you know, we can just, it's all right to disagree and still enjoy the hobby at the same time.

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So, I don't get in the middle of the, well, I always like to ask somebody who is kind of

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class, you know, is classifying as a vintage collector, how they define it.

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Just to get sort of the different perspectives.

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Yeah.

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You know, yeah, go ahead.

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Think about that.

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I mean, you bring up the Gwen and Bob's and those are players that, you know,

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kids right now, you know, 10, 11, 12 year old kids, they're coming up in the hobby.

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But they have no clue about, right?

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And they shouldn't be because, and so these are, these are cards now that you can use to kind

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of help educate kids about the way to the game.

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And at that point, you know, it's almost like, you know, the, you know, the big debate now

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for me that I'm kind of in tune with, and I think it's pointless, but still like, who's

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the girl LeBron James or Michael Jordan, right?

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And listen, you know, I'm a Jordan guy just through and through.

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The reason I love that.

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I mean, I mean, Jordan.

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But, you know, people say James and nine times out of 10, the people at Salem, Bronn, it's not

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because they're that they're wrong.

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I mean, that is there go.

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But they may be also didn't see Jordan play.

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So they just weren't around to see the greatness, right?

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Like, what how great he truly was and it's something where you have to educate them and

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be like, well, just, just look at the highlights.

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Let's talk about what this man of cop and how he did it.

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So, you know, like I said, every, every era, every generation has their, their, their thing.

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And it's always important though to like look, look a few years back and acknowledge that, you

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know, there are some great players that came before them.

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Yeah, no doubt.

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And we are seeing, you know, one thing I, you know, as a deal, I still set up a show as, as a

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deal, I still go to shows as a, as a consumer, obviously, too.

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I'm seeing, and this always warns my heart, her ratio.

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I'm starting to see a lot more younger kids in the hobby.

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Actually, start to learn about the history, not just the hobby, but the history of sports and some

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of the players, they weren't around yet to see their, they're taking an interest.

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They're going back and finding out, you know, the incredible hitter, when was and the fact

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he rarely struck out and all the, you know, the crazy stats, if, you know, he went over 300.

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He'd still, you know, if he came back and went over 300.

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He still have a lifetime batting average of over 300.

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And all those crazy stats, you know, Maddox rarely walk in someone or you would have in three

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two counts on people.

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You're starting to see a lot of young kids, young adults, even that weren't around yet to,

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to find that stuff out and sort of collect those players and learn more about them.

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I always, I always love seeing that like you, I'm in old 80s, 90s, basketball fan, I was

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more fan of the NBA than today, you know, I'm a Jordan in that debate.

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I'm team Jordan, I'm that side of the out, you know, I always like to just point out, there was

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no load management in the 80s in the 90s, right?

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You got guys playing with the flu being sick, a little broken bones here and there that

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you don't necessarily see as much today.

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It's different.

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It's just compared, you know, game changes and the players change, but I'm old school to the

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fall.

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I will admit it.

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And those guys, you know, you hear those guys talk, even today, bothers them, right?

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You hear Jordan says, you know, hey, I know people are traveling all over to come see me play

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if I can get out there.

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So I got to flu, right?

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I can sleep after the game go over, go back to my hotel and crash, but for that kid who's

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coming to see me, I almost owe it to him, right?

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And we don't see that in the same vein as much in today's, and it bothers me a little bit.

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And I can do about it, but it's still, I'm glad I got the watch those players ahead that

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sort of mentality no days off.

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That's what the off season is about.

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But you know, it is what it isn't like you said.

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Someone who didn't grow up with Jordan, they don't realize that.

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Even even though the last dance highlighted a lot of stuff and so many people watched that, it's

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one thing to watch that and it's one thing like me and you, we saw that lie almost every

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night.

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And even watching the show doesn't do the same justice as seeing it in real time.

439
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And so I get it, I don't get into debates.

440
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I just kind of fall on that side of the island.

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And I was a bigger basketball fan back in the hay day.

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But still a great sport.

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We know what it, hobby wise, it's still right up there.

444
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Probably one or two as far as what people collected.

445
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So I don't, I don't, I just merchant.

446
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Still a great sport.

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So I'll ask you this to be an advantage guy.

448
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It's a question I get to.

449
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Someone who's kind of maybe not new to have you.

450
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But hey, I want to start collecting more vintage stuff.

451
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What your advice to someone says, hey, I'm not necessarily new to the hobby.

452
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I sort of want a back track.

453
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What advice, what kind of advice do you give in those kind of situation?

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I mean, the only advice I can give right is kind of what I did when it came to vintage.

455
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And number one, I'm going to be 100% transparent was what I could afford.

456
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And then number two was what I liked, like visually like.

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And that's kind of where I started.

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So the very, you know, believe it or not, the first card that I really, the first series that I

459
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really fell in love with was the 1933 Gaudi Indian Gum series.

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And because they were cheap, I could get these cards for, you know, in some case, five

461
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,280
six bucks, you know, for nicer, nicer condition ones, you know, 2025 bucks.

462
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And the colors popped.

463
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I mean, if you've ever seen the 1933 Gaudi baseball cards, you kind of understand what I'm

464
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talking about, right, like the colors just popped.

465
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And so that's where I started collecting.

466
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And then on top of that, the cards were very sort of informational now that there's some,

467
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I stopped collecting the series because there are some things that are, you know, some of

468
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some of the stuff wasn't, you know, the way that they're describing some of the tribes and

469
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things like that.

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I kind of got a little uncomfortable with.

471
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Doesn't take away from the beauty of the cards or the historic part of it.

472
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It's a depiction of native life, the depiction of people that they used to live here.

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And so that also kind of attracted me to it.

474
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And it's funny.

475
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In some ways, in some ways, the cards were very revered to people.

476
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And then in some other cards, it was funny what they were writing in the bag.

477
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It was just a completely like a race, is then everything.

478
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So it was just like, yeah, just a weird funky set, you know.

479
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So the advice I would give is that, you know, you don't have to go in with a thousand dollars,

480
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,680
two thousand dollars to collect, just the beauty of it.

481
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,360
In fact, you know, that's 33.

482
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,360
You could, you know, 1950s, 1960s.

483
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:42,920
You see all these, you know, stale threads, whatever you want to buy is there for a couple

484
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,920
of bucks.

485
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,120
If you, if you're willing, enjoy it.

486
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,240
Now another big part of it is also nostalgia.

487
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,480
So like, you know, vintage is is changing vintage, you know, like I said, is evolving.

488
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,560
So to me, the toys that I've been playing with and just kind of taking away from the cards,

489
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,200
just for a second, like to me, the teenage me Ninja Turtles and the Jai Joues that I play with

490
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,000
when I was seven, eight, you know, they're dear to me.

491
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,360
I don't have them anymore.

492
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:09,920
But when I take, when I see them somewhere and have an opportunity to maybe scoop up a couple,

493
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,600
they're in a good shape, I'll do that because they mean something to me.

494
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,040
They remind me of how to it.

495
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,840
And I'm not letting that go very easily, right?

496
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,480
I mean, I want to, I treasure that.

497
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,040
It's just something that reminds me of me as a kid and I have three boys and, you know, I hope

498
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,640
that somehow, you know, we can recreate those memories with them with different things,

499
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,760
different toys of this era.

500
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,000
So that's also a big component of it is, you know, the me was, you get in cheaply with

501
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,880
vintage and then the other component of that was, you know, what?

502
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,960
And I'm also going to collect things that that means something to me that remind me of when

503
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,920
I was a kid or things that I'm not going to let go and just flip for a profit.

504
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,040
So yeah, more than dollar science, right?

505
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,920
More definitely more than dollar science, right?

506
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,160
You know, the old adage is right, you know, what your collection, right?

507
00:24:54,160 --> 00:25:00,600
Collect stuff where if everything just crashed to zero value, you still be happy owning it,

508
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,600
right?

509
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:07,120
You're sort of a minimize that with how you, what you say, how you collect and then the

510
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:11,200
stouture and stuff that means brings you back to a day.

511
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,360
We can't really go back unfortunately.

512
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:14,840
It doesn't work like that, right?

513
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:21,200
So the next best thing is stuff like that to reminisce and kind of at least in our mind, go

514
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,400
back to it like you said, with your your own boys, like, hey, this one, you know, when

515
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,280
your dad was your age, this was like the big thing and sort of, you know, build those

516
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:36,320
bides in those conversations and that sort of thing and then they'll be doing the same as they

517
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,120
become adults, right?

518
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:43,320
And that's always, you can't put a price on that stuff and you really shouldn't put a price

519
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,320
on that stuff.

520
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:50,480
And I love when people talk about it because I'm the same way, you know, I do have expensive

521
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,560
card with some of those 10, 15, 20 dollar purchases.

522
00:25:54,560 --> 00:26:00,160
I have even more of a story, truthfully, attached to them than maybe some of the more expensive

523
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,840
stuff that I may, you know, oh, oh, whether it be part of my show inventory or even part

524
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,080
of my PC, right?

525
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,520
And it's important you said that and I appreciate that.

526
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,920
And you know, we've seen, we've seen the market sort of reset.

527
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,080
We've seen prices come down even on bigger ticket items.

528
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,880
You know, that crescendo, that boom, that was, right?

529
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,200
That's come down now.

530
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,160
I mean, the pandemic's not over per se, but it's sort of post pandemic here.

531
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,680
We've seen stuff for last and come down.

532
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,160
It's a great opportunity, even to get, you know, there were some stuff that, you know, during

533
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,960
that crescendo that really became out of reach for folks.

534
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,160
Myself included, then now you look at it and it's back in sort of a reasonable range where

535
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,800
if you wanted to save a few bucks and say, hey, you know, a year and a half ago, I wouldn't

536
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:54,080
even search that on an auction site or selling platform because I knew I wasn't in the

537
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,080
market for it.

538
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,680
Now times are a little bit different now.

539
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,280
I might be able to pull the trigger on a purchase like that and look at it and maybe shop for

540
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,240
some deals and see to get the best deal you can.

541
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,760
That's always, you know, when people always say, oh, man, you know, prices are way down,

542
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,240
you know, and I'm a seller too.

543
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,240
I get it.

544
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,120
But there's a positive in that.

545
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:21,120
I've bought stuff recently that prior, I wouldn't even look for, right?

546
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,880
There's not going to, you know, so you got it.

547
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:31,480
There's a silver lining in every scenario and, you know, as a dealer, I go what the market

548
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,160
where the market's at and that's the way it is.

549
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,120
It was a nice year and a half run.

550
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:41,880
Let's, you know, to be 100% transparent, but, you know, everything, you know, all good things

551
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,880
come to an end.

552
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,160
And it's not even good.

553
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,440
It's still good things, right?

554
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,040
It's just a different scenario.

555
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,760
And I think, I think it's better.

556
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,840
I think it's made to have more affordable again for more people, you know, and we still have

557
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,280
our high end as, as you well know for those people who, you know, play in that space and

558
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320
then not wrong with that, right?

559
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,200
They don't have to apologize for it.

560
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,920
And we don't have to feel bad.

561
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,800
But I like, you know, this is the time and a hobby where you can still find some great deals.

562
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,680
And again, things may, you know, things go up and down.

563
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,760
That's economics 101.

564
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,760
And so some of the fun is buying stuff now that you kind of feel like, hey, I want to ask, but I also

565
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,160
feel like it's kind of a double edge job, right?

566
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,120
I also feel like this is going to go up again at some point whenever that might not be tomorrow

567
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:36,120
or next year, but maybe in a couple years, but it's a great opportunity to get it now.

568
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,520
And even if it doesn't do that, even if it's not, I still enjoy it.

569
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,800
I still want to own it.

570
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800
It's in my, it's in my collection either way.

571
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,560
And, you know, that's the great.

572
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,160
So whenever I hear people kind of complaining about where the market's at, I always try to point

573
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,800
out, there's, there's classes of minuses to everything, right?

574
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Even during a crescendo, right?

575
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,520
There are some people that we all like.

576
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,400
Most, a lot of people like to, but some people got sort of turned off and maybe left too.

577
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240
Like, now I just, I can't.

578
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:13,480
So, you know, there's always pros and cons and you just kind of adapt and go with the flow and,

579
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,520
you know, 10 of your thoughts on where the market is now, too, especially vintage, what?

580
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160
You know, I kind of want to, you mentioned being a dealer and I think one of the other things about

581
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,960
the vintage is another piece of advice I've given is, because I've done it recently is go to local

582
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,680
car shows because the connections that you make there are unbelievable, like, you know, people

583
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,600
looking for deals, you know, you go on eBay, you know, send out offers or you're stalking

584
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,320
and sort of like this auction.

585
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,360
But you'll often find that if you can make some connections within your community, you know,

586
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,520
my going to local car show, you get some great deals from guys, you know, once you kind of

587
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,760
know them, you're buying from them regularly, very generous, you know.

588
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,320
So that's one of those things.

589
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,080
And I'm noticing that as the market has kind of, you know, kind of, kind of relaxed a little bit

590
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,280
I guess you could say.

591
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,560
So, there's a local car show here on standout and once a month, it's like, sparsely attended,

592
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,080
you know, but these guys are there because they love the cars, they love the workshop.

593
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400
And I make it a point once a month to show up and, you know, spend a couple bucks

594
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,600
there and, you know, and they love, you know, having people there and just talking to and being

595
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,080
able to sell some cars and move some inventory.

596
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,760
And that's why I've gotten some really good deals from them just because, you know, they know

597
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,240
me and, and that's, that's one way to maybe potentially build a vintage set, you know, from a

598
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,240
vintage car deal.

599
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,240
They might have some stuff.

600
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,040
As far as the market, yeah, I agree.

601
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,280
I mean, everyone sees where we're in a weird time right now.

602
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,040
We talk about, you know, whether or not still we're officially having hit a recession, whether

603
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,560
we're in a recession, without a doubt there is inflation, things are, are, are, are parking

604
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,160
up just everyday items.

605
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,560
But then you see numbers like the unemployment numbers kind of going up or the number of jobs

606
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,280
being added and going up.

607
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,920
And I think that that, that we have to pay attention to the, I guess, a broader market, not be an

608
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,560
expert in the, in the economics because I'm far from it.

609
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,480
But, you know, if you pay attention to those markers, really, you know, every other market

610
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,920
is going to follow, follow suit, right?

611
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,360
So, I think everyone's being very careful right now.

612
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,840
I guess that's the best way to put it in.

613
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,720
And, you know, I think that some people that would typically be sellers or maybe, or let's

614
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,240
say buyers or maybe waiting a little longer because they think that, you know, maybe I could,

615
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,760
I could save a couple bucks on these cards.

616
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,440
And people that are trying to just make sure that they're liquid, a little more liquid, have

617
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,840
some cash.

618
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,760
They're probably looking to sell right now as well because, you know, hey, what if the prices

619
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,760
do drop?

620
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,880
And there's always that, that you for you that was here in the space about a year and a

621
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,320
half ago is definitely gone.

622
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,720
And so people need to really start thinking about, you know, about that.

623
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,800
But in terms of the hobby, right, in terms of collecting, listen, if you're not over-leverage,

624
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,940
if you have disposable income that you can spend on some cards without, you know, getting

625
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:50,480
kicked out of your home or without, you know, you're still going to eat it now, you're going

626
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,320
to provide for your family.

627
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,120
I think that's still alive and well, right?

628
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Like I think that the collectors are electobious and joy getting things.

629
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,200
It's just a matter of really, you know, not getting carried away.

630
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Yeah, being smart, right?

631
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,720
I did one of the, you know, to me, the one of the bad things about that boom period, we're

632
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,400
talking about that one and a half years that we sort of kind of all agree on was the bad

633
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,000
part of it was you didn't, and I hate to say like this, and I don't mean any, you know,

634
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,400
disrespect and anyone.

635
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,120
You didn't have to be the brightest hobbyist to sort of make money.

636
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,320
It was sort of like the minus touch, right?

637
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320
No, I'm just in general, right?

638
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,120
I myself included, right?

639
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Everything seemed to be going up to three, four, even more times.

640
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,880
New whack, you could buy it, you know, when the first come out and in three days, it was

641
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,280
going to be double or triple or maybe even more than that.

642
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,960
It was just real easy.

643
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Long as you could get it, you were going to make money on it.

644
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,760
What we're seeing now is now, you know, if that's your MO, that's what you're, it's not

645
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,760
as easy.

646
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,760
You got to do your homework.

647
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,760
You got to do your research.

648
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,320
And I think it, it, I think that's a good thing, right?

649
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,320
I think that's a good thing.

650
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,000
So like you said, you're just in the hobby because you solely 100% enjoyment.

651
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000
It's a great time.

652
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,480
The stuff is more affordable.

653
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,440
If you're in there, you're in the quick buck guy and not maybe in it for the long haul.

654
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Now you got to do a little more homework and sort of earn your paycheck, so to speak.

655
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,600
So it's sort of leveled to playing field, I say.

656
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,080
And I don't think there's, I think that's a good thing.

657
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,640
I mean, some other people might say, man, I like it.

658
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,600
It was just easy to, you know, quadruple my money.

659
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,040
Sure, I think we all would agree with that.

660
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,240
But that's, you know, people been in a hobby a long time.

661
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,280
New that wasn't going to state like that, too.

662
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,840
So I think it's just part for the course and, you know, people think I'm nuts, but I,

663
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:48,240
I like it now, you know, the, the boom listen, I've made money doing shows when, when

664
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,400
shows kind of came back and I was a better factor.

665
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,960
I would, I'm not trying to, you know, buy the hand that feeds me so speak.

666
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,880
But I like both aspects because I'm, like, I'm not going to be in a hobby no matter what, right?

667
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,800
I'm going to enjoy the hobby, whether it's booming or it's kind of settled down to what

668
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,800
we know now now, adapt to each scenario.

669
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,920
So I'm going to, not as it's going to be in it for the long haul, probably wouldn't necessarily

670
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,920
agree.

671
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,480
So you just got to go with the flow of depth and like you said, I think it's perfect.

672
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Right when it comes to your own hobby, right?

673
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,680
I have stuff that, you know, if it's worth money, great, but even if everything went to zero count,

674
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,080
right, you still enjoy having only that piece of, you know, cardboard, chrome or memory

675
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,080
bill, whatever whatever it may be.

676
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,680
And I think if you, if you fit that bill, I think you'll be happy in either scenario, right?

677
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,240
And I kind of, that's where I, I don't want to speak for you when I think you do as well.

678
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:50,200
So for those folks, you know, right now is okay too.

679
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,520
For some others might not agree exactly the same, but that's, that's where we're at.

680
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,360
I want to talk about another aspect that I've started to dabble in.

681
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,000
It's, it's gotten harder to acquire these because more people are starting to look at them

682
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800
in biome and that's, it's tickets, right?

683
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,120
And I love, I'm really sort of love tickets, right?

684
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Because, you know, I'm a little bit older than you, but I'm, you're, you're from a general

685
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,560
same type here, right?

686
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,120
When we would go to a sporting event, Horace, you're right.

687
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,400
The ticket was just the divestable to get through that turn style, to get into the sporting

688
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,600
event or concert or whatever it is we were attending, right?

689
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,960
And find our seat, where did that ticket go?

690
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Right?

691
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,160
We might crawl up, put it in our pocket for the night.

692
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,880
And then when we get home, what happens?

693
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,840
It games over shows over, might work, work its way into the trash.

694
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,120
But we've seen the rise of tickets.

695
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:50,480
And I've said on this show, like tickets are, I think, in a way more rarer than certain cards

696
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,760
because at the time, we weren't viewed as collectibles in the same way, cards were.

697
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,840
I mean, even back in the 50s and 60s, cards were rubber bands thrown around, put in bikes

698
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560
folks, but they still had a trading aspect to them.

699
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,800
They kids traded them and collected them.

700
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,880
They wanted to get all the favorite team, the favorite player.

701
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,080
Take no one was really keeping tickets.

702
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Maybe they had a box they threw it in, but kind of forgotten.

703
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,320
So very little tickets survive in comparison to cards.

704
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,400
And I think you're seeing people sort of go to that.

705
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Maybe they have all the cards of a certain player, the run.

706
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,120
And now they're like, you know, I'll just use Ted Williams, damn stuff to tell me.

707
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,600
So I have every Ted Williams top card that they made.

708
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,880
But now I still want to have Ted Williams first game ticket.

709
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,600
I want to have Ted Williams, you know, 400th home run game ticket.

710
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,880
Now it's going to cost you.

711
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,840
But it did become collectibles.

712
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,240
Like they never have been before.

713
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,840
We're seeing obviously they're graded PSAs.

714
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,000
Been grading them for a while now.

715
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Back in just announced there, going to start grading them as well.

716
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,160
They've become collectible asset, much like the cards.

717
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,800
And some people sort of pivoted from cards to tickets or do both at the same same time.

718
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,480
And you know, I'm a Jackie Robinson guy being a Brooklyn kid and, you know, trying to even acquire.

719
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,760
You know, a ticket to a game with all the Jackie Robinson is difficult because they're bringing in.

720
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,160
You know, quite a bit of money as they should as they should, right?

721
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,160
I'm not, you know, someone asked me what would your dream ticket be?

722
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:35,080
And as obviously would be Jackie Robinson's debut as a major league baseball player.

723
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,400
Unless I win the power ball or the mega millions, I'll never own that, right?

724
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,600
But Joe, we see always dream, right?

725
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,800
We've seen tickets really rise in stature.

726
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600
I think they, you know, they always were sort of under the current quiet.

727
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:56,200
But now I think they've really starting to make a lot more noise and you're seeing, you know, the last national.

728
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,560
I don't know if you saw I know you're there for the day.

729
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,000
But I saw two or three set ups that that's all they were sitting now.

730
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,360
That's all they had was ticket.

731
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,440
Darren Revau, that's his set up is all tickets.

732
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,960
He's got some crazy stuff.

733
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Tickets to the Titanic.

734
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,280
It got you.

735
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Yeah.

736
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,080
And it's like this is always concert tickets are our huge thing.

737
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Just, you know, from what you do with all and just in the hobby, sort of your take on,

738
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,040
on where the ticket market is and sort of the quick rise.

739
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,960
So so quick that I thought I was getting in a little early and it was almost too late, even then.

740
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960
So to sure take on tickets.

741
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,400
Yeah, I mean, my take, you know, initially I was pretty, I'm, I mean, a pretty dismissive of it.

742
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,800
You know, in terms of, you know, what value do the tickets have?

743
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,320
I mean, how many of them are there?

744
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,000
But you know, when you talk about, and there's always a bug, right?

745
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,320
When you talk about Jackie Robinson's debut, you're not talking about a ticket anymore.

746
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,000
You're talking about American history, right?

747
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Yeah.

748
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000
Yeah.

749
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,680
You know, when you're talking about, you know, a stored boxing matches or where you talk about even

750
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,680
the Titanic, again, that's world history.

751
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Yeah.

752
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,800
There's no disputing those are artifacts that have our tremendously valuable.

753
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,600
So, and I mentioned this, I was, I talked to Danny on Danny's podcast at the National.

754
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,880
And I was there looking for cards full-pocket, you know, vintage football cards, vintage

755
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,760
based book cards, building a couple sets, solely in the I came upon two tickets from the

756
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,760
1986 World Series.

757
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,760
You know, you, you're not both the fans.

758
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,760
And I saw a game six and game seven tickets.

759
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,760
And I couldn't resist now.

760
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,760
I only, I thought, nothing crazy happened in game six.

761
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,760
I don't know why.

762
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,760
I don't know why.

763
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,760
I don't know.

764
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,760
I mean, I'm sure, I don't know how much they ought to somebody.

765
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,760
86, you know, the, you know, the, you know, moaky Wilson and the Buckner boy.

766
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,760
You know, that, that, that meant for dead.

767
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,760
That meant for dead.

768
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,760
And this, really, a miracle.

769
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,760
I saw the documentary at the Had on ESPN.

770
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,760
I don't know if you've got to watch that.

771
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,760
Yeah.

772
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:53,760
Yeah.

773
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,760
And so, you know, in 86, I'll three years old, right?

774
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:03,760
So I had no idea that they were down to the last strike with nobody on base, down by two,

775
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,760
two, three runs, I don't know.

776
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,760
But it's a miracle that they won that game.

777
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,760
So I bought the ticket, but I also, it wasn't just because it was just, you know,

778
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,760
for me as a meds fan, it had a meaning.

779
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,760
I literally like, when I, I held the ticket, right?

780
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,760
Because I was like, I'm not going to get, I'm not going to buy a ticket.

781
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,760
Am I actually going to do this?

782
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,760
When I held the ticket, I told him, I got like a little shiver.

783
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:23,760
Yeah.

784
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,760
Because it's like me in 86, I wasn't even in the United States.

785
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,760
Okay.

786
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,760
I wasn't even in the United States.

787
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,760
Somewhere else.

788
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,760
This was like a way for me to almost connect to that moment.

789
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,760
And I, I'm not, it sounds weird.

790
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,760
It sounds crazy.

791
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,760
And it's that.

792
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,760
I was like, I have to buy this ticket.

793
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,760
Yeah.

794
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,760
And so I've looked at them.

795
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,760
I've looked at it differently.

796
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,760
I, I would like to buy a couple of tickets for me, the way I'm approach.

797
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,760
I would approach it or I'm going to approach it is games or teams ahead,

798
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,760
meeting to me.

799
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,760
Yeah.

800
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,760
That group watching, you know, some of them, we talk some

801
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,760
Martin's teams even, you know, some meds teams, some players that I really

802
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,760
grew up with one of my favorite players of all time.

803
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,760
He's not on meds, don't throw will this, you know?

804
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,760
Um, and that season at the morning's had about 20 years ago now or 15 years ago.

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,760
Um, something like that is something that I, I'd look to kind of buy just because of what

806
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,760
it means to me.

807
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,760
Um, that's what, so that's where I'm at with tickets.

808
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,760
Yeah.

809
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,760
I agree.

810
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,760
It is a connection.

811
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,760
Whether you were there or not, just as a fan of that team that player that

812
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,760
moment, even the moment itself, right?

813
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,760
And I, I see not many those tickets survive, right?

814
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,760
Like people who walked out of game sick who, you know, like you said,

815
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,760
the meds were dead, people were crying.

816
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,760
I was 14 and I thought it was, I thought it was over and I was a ball player, right?

817
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,760
And I was suddenly all know what happens.

818
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,760
You know, you know, and, but people didn't keep, like, you know,

819
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,760
maybe someone went home through it and like a box or something for

820
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,760
God, but no one, you know, everyone that was a static as a meds fan,

821
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,760
I didn't keep your ticket thinking some day that's going to, we're just happy,

822
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,760
you know, those that were there just have a hey, we're surviving another day.

823
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,760
We could still win the world series, right?

824
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,760
No one was thinking about the ticket in years later.

825
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:18,760
Like, you know, 35,000 people, I would probably venture a safe gas 85% of those

826
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,760
tickets didn't survive.

827
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,760
They're in landfills and long gone 37 years later now, right?

828
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,760
And so that was tickets to me.

829
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,760
That's why I go with the whole.

830
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,760
I think tickets and sub-sets is in many levels are harder to find than,

831
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,760
than cards.

832
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,760
Because think of number one is a set mount produced, right, for for the people who

833
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,760
attended the game.

834
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,760
Many people just threw them out, crumpled them up and think how many

835
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,760
didn't even survive the week or the night.

836
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,760
You know, people weren't even, you know, people might beat up their

837
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,760
cards, but they were kind of keeping them, right?

838
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,760
Tickets were a whole different view as a long term, like,

839
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,760
momentum, right?

840
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,760
You know, really nice.

841
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,760
That the one and the one thing I thought about was the tickets have a

842
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,760
little bit of a selection and a rope in them.

843
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,760
If you go back, you know, to say a specific moment in time,

844
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,760
hypothetically speaking, you know where that ticket came from in that moment, right,

845
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,760
or in that during the game.

846
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,760
So, you know, I could look back and you know, I haven't done it.

847
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,760
I haven't done it.

848
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,760
I could look back and see where that ticket was in Shade stadium.

849
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,760
In that moment.

850
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,760
And then I could maybe even look at some old highlight reels and kind of.

851
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,760
See, see, that person, for the general area, it's crazy.

852
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,760
I think it's a, I started to try to get into it.

853
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,760
It's stuff's going a little bit more than I anticipated or hope where I've sort of

854
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,760
not got a lot.

855
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:39,760
Yeah, but I still look.

856
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,760
It's still in my search thing and you never know, right?

857
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,760
You just got to come to you never know what you're finding unless you look.

858
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,760
And I think it's sort of, it's fun.

859
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,760
It's even fun to hunt and search right to journey to try to acquire it and

860
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,760
not to own that game six ticket, right?

861
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,760
You can always look at it and just think, you know, of what it meant to the

862
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,760
Met set that point, right?

863
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,760
You know, they were on the ropes and pretty much about it.

864
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,760
The, the, the, the, be counted out and we don't know what happened.

865
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,760
And, you know, Reds, Oxford's aren't fine to vet ticket or that moment.

866
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,760
But, you know, they got, they got their worlds here.

867
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,760
Title's later on.

868
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,760
So I don't know if you're right.

869
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,760
I won't cry for too much, but for Met's fan, right?

870
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,760
It was 69 and even that was not supposed to really happen.

871
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,760
So this very significant, you know, connection value even in

872
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,760
Trinsically, with something like that.

873
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,760
And I think it's a, it's a great thing.

874
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaking of maths, what's kind of clothes on that note, you know,

875
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,760
we both grew up with the, with the will pan error where they really were very

876
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,760
cheap and then didn't sign people and made it by some bad moves and had to

877
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:55,760
get a good one.

878
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,760
Yeah, and we're trying to put it on the one hand.

879
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,760
They weren't people with Bobby, Tonya.

880
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,760
Yeah, no, it's still paying them.

881
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,760
That guy doesn't have to ever work again.

882
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,760
You know, and that, we can talk about, we can do a whole show and, and the Bobby

883
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,760
beneath the deal.

884
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,760
And, but you know, I remember one year, you know, he's not that far along

885
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,760
to go, I looked at the line of kind of like, this is, I'm in

886
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,760
the play.

887
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,760
I'm like, we have a better trip away team here than the maths have on the major league

888
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,760
field.

889
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,760
Those days, thankfully, our over I wasn't sure they ever would end.

890
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,760
It was tough being a met's fan during the will pan error.

891
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,760
I don't, I don't like to dislike people heavily, but, you know, the will pan's, you know,

892
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,760
pictures made it under my dart board on more than one occasion.

893
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,760
Now, we have the co-in error when night and day as you well know.

894
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,760
And, you know, it's nice refreshing to know that, you know, he wants to bring a

895
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:58,760
world series back to city field and to the Queen's and we'll do everything in

896
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,760
his power and we'll open up his checkbook to make it happen.

897
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,760
I like that.

898
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,760
Your thoughts, you know, just your general feelings from the will pan's to the

899
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,760
co-in error and being a met's fan, you know, you're outlook for 20, 23.

900
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,560
Yeah, I mean, it's such a big, I mean, it's like a

901
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,560
rags to riches.

902
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,560
I mean, as a met's fan, right?

903
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:25,560
You went from having potentially, you know, one of the bottom five ownership groups and MLB

904
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,560
to now having one of the top two or three owners and MLB, you know, arguably the top owner.

905
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,560
I mean, you could say, you know, he maybe doesn't have any.

906
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,560
And you're being, listen, I'm going to, I mean, you're being generous.

907
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,560
We're saying bottom five.

908
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,560
I'm going to say, but, you know, we're ranking during that type of year.

909
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,560
Like owners, I would want to own the met.

910
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
I mean, the will pan's would have been my last, you know, I would have been last.

911
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,560
I would have took anybody else, you know, at that point.

912
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:55,560
So for this, the only the only competitor, maybe, and this me growing up in Miami was that

913
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Martin's ownership and, oh, my God, whatever, what a fire.

914
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,560
And they're all the other fires.

915
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,560
Fire.

916
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,560
So, but just just the whole situation there is crazy.

917
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,560
I could talk for hours about that.

918
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,560
But yeah, okay, bottom one or two, okay, the barn is, the bottom of the

919
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,560
ground.

920
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,560
I mean, I could give you a run for the money.

921
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,560
But yeah, what a story.

922
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,560
I mean, listen, I'm as optimistic as they come.

923
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,560
I think last year's team was amazing.

924
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,560
I mean, they made the city, you know, the met, the met's worth the team.

925
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Even even with Aaron judge and the things that he did last year, which were amazing.

926
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
I'm not taking away from that.

927
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,560
The met's were clearly the team that that really, you know, that captured New York there for a while.

928
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,560
The problem is, you know, they've fizzled out in the playoffs.

929
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,560
You know, the run came to an end.

930
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,560
They still have an amazing lineup.

931
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,560
They signed, they they re signed Nemo, which I think was great.

932
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,560
They got, they got work in there now.

933
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:51,560
The only thing I will say, and it's kind of for me, and it was was like, I don't know how to feel about it yet.

934
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Losing the grum, okay, was, and I get it.

935
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Like he's, you know, he's injury prone.

936
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,560
Maybe they weren't giving the money.

937
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,560
The Rangers were going to give him.

938
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,560
And I wouldn't blame him for leaving.

939
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,560
But it almost had this feeling of, I don't know, the guy should have been a met for life.

940
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:11,560
And you know, and yeah, it's like the legacy was more important to me than even a championship of sorts.

941
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:17,560
I know that sounds crazy, but like the grum, you know, I know where you're coming from.

942
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,560
I'm a big degrom guy to this day.

943
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,560
I don't wish him any help.

944
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Like you just said, I rather be a met than a Ranger that just didn't work out.

945
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:32,560
I think so many injuries, you know, I don't want to speak for the co-ins or the front office brass.

946
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:39,560
I think some injuries and what he was going to command and what he eventually got from the Ranger that don't think the met's wanted to go there.

947
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:50,560
You know, they said they wanted them, but there is, you know, every front office has to determine where's the point where we say we can't do that and then have to look at a different direction.

948
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,560
And that's where I will say this.

949
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,560
I mean, you lose the ground that stinks.

950
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,560
I like you.

951
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,560
I have a lot of nice to grab stuff.

952
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,560
I was hoping he'd be a met for life.

953
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:08,560
I echo that sentiment, but I just think they asking price in what they kind of saw coming.

954
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:20,560
Didn't match their view and they, you know, then they went out and signed Virlander who's, you know, he said his own issues here and there, but I think they're more confident that he's going to probably play more.

955
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,560
We've even seen, you know, I mean, it's early.

956
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:29,560
We've seen some issues in spring training with the ground like not going or taking a few days off.

957
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:37,560
So I think that, you know, in Cohen's quest for the world series, he had to make a tough call. He knew it would be, he would be, it would be tough.

958
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:47,560
And, but I take he tell you, you know, it's in the spirit of trying to bring a world series to, you know, he tell you, listen, we, we negotiated with him.

959
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,560
There was a number we offered that we thought was fair. He got more and he, you know, he decided to go.

960
00:49:52,560 --> 00:50:04,560
We wish him, well, that's kind of how I feel too like I wish he, he was still there, but, you know, if you, you know, he asked me, we're all serious title or, you know, out in the playoffs with the ground.

961
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,560
I'm not pinning at all on one guy and say that would be the reason.

962
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:18,560
I'm going to, in the quest for world series, I'm going to, I'm going to just have faith that, you know, I'd be a little more disappointed if they lost the ground and didn't sign, you know, Verlander or,

963
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:28,560
yes, we sang or do stuff that, you know, then I'd be like, what are we doing? So I'm going to, I'm going to trust the process is the cliche goes and it's nice listen.

964
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:37,560
That's a good problem to have, right? You know, if you think back again, I think up the will find days, those were problems we didn't, we had worse problems where we just didn't sign anybody.

965
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:53,560
And anybody or just kept the wrong guy for bad contracts and not just Bobby Beneet, that's just the biggest one we talk about. So I feel like, yeah, they've really bolstered the middle of the middle of the rotation, they posted middle relief.

966
00:50:53,560 --> 00:51:05,560
Everyone deas looks like the closer they thought they were getting when they initially did the Kellynick trade. The first year was rough and I remember saying, man, I want Kellynick back and just what you get.

967
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:16,560
And now it's looking a little bit a lot and a little bit a lot better. So I'm confident, you know, I did a kind of a major league baseball preview show.

968
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:34,560
I was a home right picked a match the win the division and that sort of thing. So we'll see again, I think they're going to be, I don't like to claim world series before they happen, but and I would never do that, especially with you know with the match, but they got the pieces in place, right?

969
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:47,560
And that's the say that has a match fan right how many years we've run even close to that. So to me, I'm going in optimistic, I was kind of hoping for one more outfield or one more kind of a bigger thing.

970
00:51:47,560 --> 00:52:00,560
I like Brandon Nemo, I think he's getting paid more than his value, but the outfield free agency was not very strong and I think they got scared like if they lost Nemo, they're outford would be even in worse shape.

971
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:11,560
So if there's a weak spot, I think it might they could use another outfield, what I liked that they didn't do what they used to do in years past is as you well know, the Shraday minor leagueers away their prospects.

972
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:23,560
We still have one of the best prospects system in the game. I'm blessed here in Syracuse to see it up close and personal many, I love two miles from the stadium, I could almost walk there.

973
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:40,560
And we got a lot of prospects, Mauricio, Alvarez, Parada, Vrientos, and the cover is not bare like it used to be. I'm excited as a med fan, I figure you're feeling the same way.

974
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:54,560
We know we're competing for championship and again after many years of that not even that being a pipe dream. The old days of the will partner, we're just trying to sneak in the back door for like a wild card spot.

975
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:06,560
No, and that even if we got in, we weren't going to do much damage, but at least we got a couple extra extra games right now it's a different sort of feel and you know just kind of your closing thoughts with the meds.

976
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:13,560
I'm assuming you probably feel very similar. Yeah, I mean we're on par. I mean there's a couple of great teams in the NL, you know,

977
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:21,560
the paucas are getting to a tease back, you know, the dog is going to be the dog. They're spending just like not just like the meds and nobody's spending like the meds.

978
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:31,560
But I mean that's the point, right? Like you feel like you feel you're with the big boys now and you're not just catching lightning in a bottle like we have in the past.

979
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:37,560
You're building towards something and then I'll also say like adding a you know perfect like an actual manager like buck show water.

980
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:43,560
I got that. That can't be a good one. Yeah, that's a huge difference hiring a couple.

981
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:51,560
Yeah, you know, we've had some good ones. I mean, this respect like Bobby Valentine, Art Howl those are those guys are very well-aspected.

982
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,560
But I will say buck show water is kind of a little bit of a box above that.

983
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:05,560
Yeah, as a pedigree is more there than some previous incarnations of managers. And that's nice too. No one you got to guy at the helmet.

984
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:13,560
It's nothing he really hasn't seen. He's not going to be overwhelmed in the moment. He's not, you know, no players are bigger than him.

985
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,560
You know, that was some of the, you know, previous manager I felt like the players kind of ruled the boost and he couldn't, you know,

986
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:27,560
it's hard being a young kind of new manager and real people in like your voice is your voice getting hurt.

987
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:34,560
Showwalker, you know, calls the shots and I think even with Cohen even though Cohen owns it.

988
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,560
I, you know, I'm pretty sure showwalker says, hey, you know, you get the ingredients.

989
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:46,560
But let me, let me cook the soup right. You know, get the part cells, the old boat, build part cells line, right?

990
00:54:46,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Yeah, you hired me as a manager. Let me, let me do what I'm supposed to do. I appreciate you get me the pieces. I'm not in, you know, being on grateful, but let me do my job and I think Cohen's a type that let's do that as well.

991
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:13,560
So it's, it's nice to be optimistic going into a met season after many years of like, oh well, and you know, let's see what happens and kind of know and how the movie ends because we've seen it sort of before.

992
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:22,560
So, you know, it's good. Well, Horatio awesome coming coming in, you're coming on man and we get to talk mad, we get to talk hobby and all that.

993
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:30,560
Give that where people can find what you do and read your stuff, see here, yeah, take your time, give out all that stuff you'd like to share.

994
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:36,560
Yeah, thanks John. Thanks for having me on man. I really appreciate it. I had a lot of fun man just talking and you know, the hobby talking about sports.

995
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Yeah, you know, so I do a podcast with the alt's alt's.co. We kind of talk about alternative investments there. Just had a pretty interesting podcast with CEO who invests in athletes and you invest and you get a portion of their future contracts, right?

996
00:55:53,560 --> 00:56:11,560
So I think that that was a cool one I just did. And I write a couple of articles a month for sports collectors daily. I really love doing that. Really kind of that's kind of where I pour a lot of my energy into as far as, you know, come out with some quality content and I'm looking forward to doing the same thing with hobby news daily with Danny.

997
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:24,560
I'm really a part of what was there. I know that the big launch is going to come up April 1st. And so I'm looking forward to contribute to that as well. And just I love writing. I love kind of in reviewing people as well and learning more because I get to learn more about the hobby that way.

998
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,560
And I get to meet connections that way as well. So that's kind of what I'm doing right now.

999
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:44,560
Keep it up man. Great stuff and hopefully you know obviously we'll have you back on and if the meds win the world series will have to do like a celebratory podcast. I don't know how many other people like it, but we'll have fun.

1000
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Maybe we'll be at the game and we won't have to buy you know we won't have to buy the kids.

1001
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:56,560
Yeah, no doubt sounds good to me. So thanks for ratio. I appreciate it. Man, be well. Take care.

1002
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,560
John, thanks. Thank you.