Ep.166 w/Geoff Wilson-Sports Card Investor

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<span;>What is up episode 166 of sports Carnation? Happy Friday at be whatever day. You happen to be listening to this show. Thank you for coming back with your first time. Welcome as well. Big Show today a polarizing figure of the hobby. Love them, or hate them, you know, he's doing big things in the Hobby and I want to talk a little bit about how

<span;>He that has seemed to increase and maybe some of the reasons behind it. Jeff Wilson sports card. Investor is my guest today. And you know, one thing I've noticed that again, we're going to get on a little soapbox here on the intro done this a while for again. There's no 10 yet. There's no pension plan. I don't say that. Like, I'm better than anyone else. I put my pants on one leg at a time. Like, like anyone else every once in a while, like, Try to jump in both legs at once and I hit it but it's very rare. But you know all joking. Aside. I've done this a long time, even before content creation was even a thing. Quite frankly. One thing I've noticed is not everybody obviously, but there is a certain segment of the hobby that has disdain for people who make money involving the hobby from people who go around.

<span;>Selling that shows two people who make money from, you know, content creation, social media videos audio, you know flipping cards while may not be, you know, your thing or my thing, you know, it's still it's still legal people. Happy in different forms of fashion, but I don't know if it's jealousy. I'm sure. There's some of that I'm not. Sure, all, you know, everyone has different reasons and I we're all entitled to our opinion. Still. If you don't want to like somebody, you don't have to like somebody, I'm not here to try to change your mind. I wouldn't want that power. Even if I could have, I like having discussions with people. I don't always agree on everything. Uh, it's more interesting and keeps the world going around on its axis, so,

<span;>You know, I don't agree with everything any guest says, I don't agree with everything. My wife says, I married 23 years somehow. So, you know, it's okay not to have to agree across the board. But, you know, some people are just not going to be liked because they have a lot of following. They have a lot of listeners. They have a lot of downloads and you know, and that's that's that's too bad. I mean, but that's I guess that's also wife and The way the ball bounces sometimes but you know go, you know, even if you're a person listening to this intro right now and you're not a fan of somebody or today's guest even, you know, go in with an open mind, give everyone the benefit of the doubt and really think about why you may have a disdain or why you don't like somebody, you know, we all have a right to earn an income in this world. This is America.

<span;>You know, even specific to the Hobby, you know, I've had people say, I don't, I've never sold a card in my whole life. John. I'm a true collector and and that's great. That's great. But you're no better than me who has sold cars, and I'm no better than you who has sold cards. We just have different approaches again. I started at 7 years old, not selling cars, buying them, trading them, and that sort of thing, then it developed. Opt into working at a card store into owning, a doing shows owning a store, I have cards out. I know I'll never sell and I have cards ice out, you can do both, and if you don't do both, then you're fine to world as hobby together. And that's, that's the one thing here coming to close this intro out before we start the show, you know, where judgmental Javi we are and, and I'm guilty of it at times too. I'm not going to be a hypocrite.

<span;>Michelle's, we're all guilty. Judgmental at different times some more than others. All I ask is, you know, going and open mind, you know, we all might do different things in the hobby. But if again, if they're above board, nothing illegal, nothing Shady then, you know, give people the benefit of the doubt, you don't like somebody's content. You don't have to watch it, right? You don't have to download, you don't have to listen to it the show included. And that's why at the end of every episode. I thank everybody who does because you don't have Have to write. You made a choice to give some of your time to us here at sports car Nation. But you know, again you don't have to and you don't have to do that for anyone. In the may not be a fan of, but I've gotten to talk to Jeff besides what you're going to hear on the air. I've got to talk to him not recording and you know, he's IE comes across to me as a down-to-earth guy, you know, has a passion for what he does, you know.

<span;>He's enjoys the Hobby and you know, he doesn't apologize for your Joys making money in the hobby was so do I you know this podcast says sponsors. I do shows almost now at least the once a month clip. They my sales tax and I don't think we should have to apologize from profiting from the hobby. You know, where does most of, you know, speaking for myself, where's a good percentage of the money I make from stuff? I do and hot in the house. Be whether that's selling cards or content, creation? Right back into the hobby. Right? I buy more cards. I just bought a collection, just did the hobby quick. It's about that collection. I bought wasn't wasn't super cheap, you know, so that money I made goes right back into the hobby. I don't live in a mansion and and California, you know, and I enjoy the hobby. I enjoy making money from the hobby to continue to

<span;>Buy more stuff in Hobby. So it's a cycle and we got to just, you know, try not to be as judgmental as sometimes. We all are myself included. So, go in clear, mind open mind and, you know, realize the fact is that people are going to do the Hobby in different ways. We're not all cut from the same cookie cutter pattern, and that's what makes us all great individuals. Visually everyone in the hobby. That's not doing anything illegal or wrong, or all great hobbyists. And you know, in the greatest happy in the world as dr. James Beck and so eloquently state. So, with that being said, let's let's get this show on her way everyone. This is Alex here from relics cards and collectibles in Toronto, representing the relics Squad. I just want to remind everyone. The hobby is the people. This sports card shop is yours. Small town, local card shop with a global reach located in New Buffalo MI, Michigan. The shop is one of the most accessible in the midwest. In addition to being an authorized Panini direct dealer, the sports card shop, carries all major trading card Brands, including Tops Upper Deck, Pokemon Yu-Gi-Oh, and more with all that new wax a half million singles and showcases full of greeting cards. You're sure to find something great for your Whether you're just starting out or a seasoned collector, the sports card shop is your One-Stop shop. So call us come see us or visit us on the web and social media. Our phone number is two six nine four, six nine zero, one four. Zero website is the sports card shop at Moko.com. The sports card shop is part of the Moko. Retail Group connecting Sports The Hobby and people around the world.

<span;>John alright, real happy to have the next guest on the sports coordination. He's another gentleman that probably doesn't need an introduction, but I'll give them one. Just the same sports card, investor. Jeff Wilson. Welcome to sports Carnation. Hey John. Thank you. Excited to be here talking.

<span;>Today, I appreciate it. You do a lot of good work on your podcast. I know you've known for a long time and I appreciate you. Having me on another way of saying I'm old. I get it but but you're right. But all joking aside. I appreciate you saying that, you know, sports card, investor mean. Huge mean. There's not many people who don't know what you're doing. And that's, you know, that could be a double-edged sword, right? You get I've said this on my show, I, you know, I think you're the most your, the probably the most polarizing. Arising person in the hobby. I think you've taken that title from Gary vaynerchuk as he kind of did a little bit less, you know, in it with hobby stuff. He was a little bit more than kind of took a step back. I think you've taken that belt with that, you know, comes, I hate to say it, you know, you know, a lot of hate. There's a lot of, a lot of that part of the that segment of the hobby. How do you, how do you deal with some of that is, there is

<span;>That it's fun. You know, it's funny that I'm the most controversial person based based on, you know, the comments that some of my episodes and that type of thing. I think you might be you probably right? However, I don't know, like, honestly in my real life, you know, outside of outside of doing all the content and everything. Like I think I'm a pretty. I think I'm a pretty relaxed. Good Humor guy. So I find a little bit of entertain. I find it a little bit entertaining that some people have, you know, kind of classify me as a A bit of a villain but I understand it like I get it, you know, there's there's people that that don't like me for various reasons and and certain, you know, some of their some of those opinions I can respect and appreciate like, you know, one group that seems to not necessarily be particularly fond of me are hardcore collectors that have been in the hobby for many years and they have seen the prices of cards and wax.

<span;>Driven up and they've seen the availability of wax dry up because of, you know, lots of flippers and investors and that type of thing who have flooded into the market, and hey, I get it like, that that I can understand from their perspective, that, that would be upsetting. And, you know, I get it like, I don't, I understand if they're upset with me for that reason and it is, it is true that, that has happened. It's, you know, no doubt we've seen we've seen product, get in short supply, we Seen prices, go up. It has settled back, down some over, you know, over the last six months and hopefully we're getting towards a little bit more of an environment where the collectors and the investors can be, you know, they're together. I think we're getting there. I think some of the people who were strictly in it for the money who were just flipping cards and cards. Really didn't cards were really not something they cared about at all. I think, I think a lot of those people filtered out.

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<span;>Back, you know, in March April, May June of last year after it had an incredible rise in January and February. I think a lot of flippers got left kind of holding the bag in in January and February. When they were flipping cards to each, other prices were getting astronomical very quickly. And then they, and there was no one else for them to flip the car to, because no other flipper was willing to pay that price and certainly no collectors were willing to pay that price. So then price is settled back down. I think a lot of flippers left the market. I think a lot of Them are over in NF teas right now, and you're seeing similar type of price, escalation activity happening in FTS and I'm a, I'm a fan of entities. We can talk about that later. But there's there's definitely some of that bubble like Behavior happening within the end of T world right now. And I think it's a lot of the people that were in sports cards last January and February and I think the Hobbies probably stronger. Now today that's got more of a Solid collector base a larger collector base than it's ever had before and I think you have more longer-term type investor.

<span;>Um, less of the people that are just purely flipping for profit and nothing else. So anyway, I understand the collector group, you know, being somewhat upset with me, you know, and then there's other groups that, that, you know, throw throw heat, my direction. I have come to understand and recognize and appreciate that. When you, if you're, if you're, if you're doing something well and you're building up a big audience. There's going to be some of that that comes along with it. And, you know, I was telling I was I was talking to another big content creator in the hobby. I won't mention his name, but him and I are having a conversation recently because he was getting attacked by one of the you know, by some of these, you know, attack YouTube's. And that type thing that I popped up recently and he said, how do you deal with this? Because I find this really frustrating and I know these people have come after you before and that kind of thing. And I said, I said,

<span;>It. You know, I said it comes with the territory. I said, go into any grocery store and in the checkout, aisle, it's full of tabloids. Right? It's full of like, all these stories about celebrities and three. Quarters of them are made up. And it's, I honestly, now, I honestly feel bad for I see these icy like, National Inquirer magazine, and I feel bad for the for the celebrity that's featured on the cover of it. Because I'm like, man, that person probably Is just getting beat up because National Inquirer. Magazine knows that's going to sell papers. And and that's what some of these, you know, more hit type YouTube's that kind of thing or doing now, but you know, it's fine. I don't even want to spend any time talking about them because it's not worth the time. There's so much good about the hobby. There's so much, you know, that that little bit of bad does not outweigh the unbelievable amount of good and there's so many great people in the Hobby and those loud - voices

<span;>Represent less than 1%. And I can tell you, I have made so many friends and met so many incredible people on this journey through the hobby. That it's the hobby is just wonderful, and it's the wonderful side of the hobby that needs to be celebrated. Yeah, I agree. And like you said the good and the great, outweigh the Bad and the - like you said bright like 99% 21, just but you know, it's like the news, right? People want to gravitate to some of that negative stuff. It's the, I called the train, you know, the car wrecked folks that slow down and want to see what what that's all about. I think and I agree with you. You just did a YouTube video where you talked about it, go for those who haven't seen it, go check it out. Like I told you before we even started recording, I watch it. And was doing a lot of nodding. Yes, as you were hitting some of your points and I think it comes,

<span;>And we'll move on. But I just wanted to see if he could. I think a lot of it comes. And I think you touched on this job of a lot of it comes from baby places of jealousy, you know, I wish I was getting that sort of response. I wish I was getting that views those subscribers. Those likes and rather than just work harder and try to be better like inwardly, you know, it's just easier to take. Maybe some pot shots at somebody. That's just the easy way to go. So I think It comes from a place of jealousy. I mean. I agree with that. I mean yeah, I'm a I don't know what each person's motivations are right. I think, I think that could be part of it. In some cases. I think in some I think some people are also grumpy because they saw their cards go down in value, you know, over the course of the last several months and I get it. I'm grumpy to that. My cards went down in value. But but you know when the market was really like roaring back in 2020 and the early part of 2021. You didn't see 90% of that. Get of stuff like that. Like all the posts that everything. Everyone was sharing was was was, oh my gosh. Did you see what this card sold for? And wow, I can't believe it. I bought this card for $50 and now it's worth $300. Everything was that, you know, so it was all this excitement in this positivity and now, the prices have settled down and some people have laughed, you know, the Hobby and everything like that. Now, now I, you know, maybe maybe some people are feeling a little grumpy and they have to, you know, they

<span;>They're not as good of a mood as they used to be, but it doesn't matter whatever. The reason, you know, the hobby is a great place to be and I'm also a very optimistic about this year January, looking at the sales data of sports cards, you know, which I look at every day. January, was a really strong month. We were seeing depending on what segment of the hobby. You look at. We were seeing better. We were seeing the best sales in January going, back about like between

<span;>In eight months, January was the best month. You got to go back to the first half of last year to find a month. That was as good as January, just was. So that's a really positive sign. And so I think, you know, I think hopefully this will be a good year, but hopefully, it will be a year where there is steady sustainable growth where you don't have a crazy Spike that's caused by, you know, fomo fear of missing out and flippers flooding back in Hope. Ali, it's sustainable steady growth, and it's a good year for the Hobby and maybe everyone will, you know, become a little more lighthearted again. Yeah, lay down, lay down your arms, as they say. What is it about? Like I believe cards are investment. I think anything can be an investment that depending on what it is and how you go about it. We're going to step aside for a quick break here, from one of our great sponsors, but me and Jeff will be right back after that.

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<span;>I think I get, which is, which is great and wonderful. And that's a really important part of the hobby. Right? And so, I think that again, I think they don't love the investment mentality because for them, it represents, you know, people coming in with big dollars buying up the cards that they would, otherwise want to buy themselves driving up prices of boxes. So, I, you know, I get that. But then there's others who want to argue as to whether a card can even be an investment or not or whether it's a viable. Investment, and that Don't get because, you know, part of there are sometimes our argument stems from will, you can invest in a piece of cardboard? It has. No, it has no utility and I'm like, well, what utility does gold have? You know, but people are best in people invest in Precious Metals all the time. I mean, that's that's considered an investment. A lot of people have precious metals and their portfolio. What's the utility of gold? Or what's I mean, what's the utility of a piece of real estate? That's sitting there. Are undeveloped that, you know, a piece of land, that is owned by somebody. Where there's no development plan. They're just simply sitting on a piece of land. You know, what's, what's the utility in that? But there's there's nobody who's questioning real estate as a long term investment. Everyone says invest in real estate. Well, why is that an investment it? You know, it cards aren't an investment but sitting on an undeveloped empty piece of land is an investment. That doesn't make sense to me, right? You can you know,

<span;>Purpose of investing is storing value is is you know, putting money in something that you think will appreciate. I mean, that's the that's you know, what an investment is and whether you know, whether you're into traditional forms of investing or whether into Alternative forms of investing which includes collectible investing. It's it's to me it's the same type of thing and and the sports card Market in particular has had a very long

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<span;>Track record going back. Appreciating in value. I mean go back and look at what a Jordan rookie card was, you know, selling for twenty years ago or even what it? What a Babe Ruth or Honus Wagner card was selling for 40 years ago compared to what they're selling for today. There's an it did an incredible steady appreciation of prices and there's been a few spikes. And there's been a few dips. But if you zoom out so that the spikes and the dips aren't overly pronounced. And if you zoom out and you look at the overall Market over the course of 10, 20, 30 years. You see a very strong upward trend line and I believe that that's going to continue because I think that as as America gets richer and richer as a country and as you get the younger generation continuing to rise up and get more wealth they want.

<span;>To invest in things that have personal meaning to them, they are different like, especially like the Millennials that whole generation. They're different. They don't want to buy a share of Walmart stock. If they don't believe in, Walmart has Walmart as a company. That's not that's not an investment. They necessarily want to make. They would like to buy a first edition Charizard card if they grow playing Pokemon, or they would like to buy a little mellow belt ball rookie card if they live in Charlotte. Right. And they see that as a store of value that can appreciate in value over time. And so, I think, you know, I'm still very bullish on sports cards as a long term investment. Because I just think that that this the, the new money in America. I think you're going to see more and more money shift to collectible assets as a class overall and whether that's Comics books or sports cards or or n FTS or other forms of collecting.

<span;>I think you're going to see more and more money shift into those categories in the years ahead. Yeah, I agree. You know, there's a segment. I don't get it, you know, Jeff like that just doesn't like people who make money in the card industry, and, you know, I started at like many and I believe you as a, as a kid started at 7 years old. I wasn't selling, a may be trading them with my, with my body's, but I, you know, I started working at a card store, at I did my first show as an individual proprietor, a sales tax number. I was 15 years old. Did my open my first store at age? 20? I don't know why there's a negative connotation about cars. Being a business. I hear people say I've never you know, a collector or something. I only want to say Collector someone in the hobby. Say I've never sold a card and that's great. There's nothing wrong with that that you know, but they're almost like wearing it almost like a badge of honor as if to say if you have sold a car.

<span;>Or making money in the hobby. Like it's a negative thing or you're a bad person. I don't know why that is car chosen been around many moons. LCS has a are not a new phenomenon, maybe content creation sort of has exploded in the last, you know, four to five years and there's money generated with that but people are putting their time and effort into those things yourself included myself. Elf included. I just don't know why. Again. Maybe it's a place of jealousy. I don't know. And again, you know that is painting with a broad brush. But this is this - thing about if someone profits or sells something or makes you know, like you're not in it for the right reason. I got in it for just because I was a sports kid and I found out there was cards and the rest is history. I just don't know why there's a, you know, people where that sort of like, I've never sold.

<span;>Card in my life. Would you nothing wrong with that? I don't look at them in reverse and say you're you're terrible. There's nothing wrong with that and just I don't know why we have to pick sides almost, you know, I don't either you can be a collector and an investor at the same time. I'm a collector and an investor. I have a giant giant collection of Florida Gator cards. I have a giant collection of Tim Tebow cards and I guarantee I'm not buying Tim Tebow cards for the investment because he's obviously, he's never Going to see any type of field or Diamond again, but I like collecting Tim, Tebow cars. You know, I like there's various cards all by a lot of Atlanta Hawk players. I've got a big Kevin heard her collection. Like, you know, Kevin herders. Not a Hawkeye from an investment standpoint, never will be. But I got a big heavy, Kevin hurt her collection because I like to go watch them. You know, I like to go watch the Hawks and I like to watch him play and, you know, other guys on that team as well, right? So you can be a collector, and then you can also be an investor and the great

<span;>About the hobby is that you can enjoy doing both and look, if there weren't people in the hobby attempting. Make money then they're there is no hobby because you've got it, you know, business drives Innovation, money drives Innovation. Like yes, I run a business in the sports card hobby. I try to get people to follow my content and then on my content, I promote products that I built like Market Movers and that type of thing, but but but by the way, if that, if that didn't exist, then you know, people weren't able to do that. I mean a few years ago, the, the hot, the market, Places in the hobby were much more limited pricing data. Transparency around what stuff it's sold for was way more immature than it is today. And you know, there's been a lot of innovation and marketplaces and there's been there's been, you know, a bay which has been around forever. But eBay has been forced to innovate and rethink what they're doing and change some of their policies that were outdated and weren't really working well anymore. And the,

<span;>Reason why they've been forced to innovate and change things is because others have come in and have started competitive, you know competitive marketplaces and that's only happens because people are treating the hobby as a business and the hobby is growing and more and more investors are coming in. So even if you're a collector, who cares, nothing about the money side of it. The very fact that there are others that care about the money side of it are enhancing the experience in many ways. Yeah. No, I agree it. You know, people don't want to talk about the money side. Like you just said, Jeff by went out at the hobby can't grow and and and evolve as you said and get better, hopefully. And you know, it's people are going to be the way they are going to step aside. You hear from another one of our great sponsors, but we'll be right back after that. Greg Morris cards wants to buy your cards. A long trusted name in the sports card. Business. Greg has been buying sports card collections for

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<span;>This. Well, I think I've talked about cards on my show. So I'm My Own. So I might do not talking about a 48 Leaf, Jackie Robinson. That I don't own it. I like to get, I've talked about other cars that. Hey, I'm buying these. I think they're under Valerie. I'm buying him. I don't care. You know, some people might say, you shouldn't even advertise That Was Then you create more of a market pretentiously, but I just share that stuff. I'm pretty open it again. Even if it's true. Like I've always said, And you know, I can't tell anyone go by this, go do that. But ultimately that's that person's decision. They got to do their own research, their own, you know, Dad I whatever that is. And then they have to use their money and buy it. I hope they're not just buying it because I'm talking about it or you're talking about, I am flattered a value. My opinion. If that's the case. I'm sure you feel the same way. But at the end of the day that's their own, you know, hi.

<span;>Decision business decision. So, you know, I think people got up own sort of their own transactions. So, you know, someone's been accused of that. How do you know what your response to those folks that have fired that bullet at you? Yeah. Well, I mean first of all, it doesn't really make any sense because the people like if somebody thinks I'm pumping up a card so that I could then, you know, go sell a card out of my collection. The economics of that. Like the fact that like Like, you know, okay. I sure I could tell everybody to go by this car. Then go sell. What, how many am I going to be able to sell realistically on eBay, like five cards or 10 cards before people start to notice some crazy suspicious pattern or before I flooded the market with this person's cards. Okay, great. So maybe I can sell 10 cards on eBay after I pump to guy up. How much are they going to make on each of those cards? Like, you know what, their higher end cards? Maybe the market, maybe people will pay an extra couple hundred bucks. So a big like a big successful pump and dump it. Going to be what a couple Grand maybe in best case scenario that, that kind of thing is going to happen. If people think that I'm like in it for a couple thousand dollars and that's like they're missing the point of what I'm doing, like I build out a team of 25 employees and we're trying to create really cutting-edge data products. We're trying to create all kinds of tools and products to make the hobby experience, better for everybody. You know, we're working hard on creating really great content and like that, you know, a couple

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<span;>For me to risk my reputation and the, and the, you know, reputation of all my employees and the company that I built up over the potential of doing something like that. So, absolutely not. I've never ever done that before. I will never ever do it. It would be insane for me to do it. And for most of these content creators, it would be insane for them to do it because they've all got, you know, whether it's Gary V or Ryan Card Collector to who's got a great store or whoever it is, you know, come back hard investor, who's doing a lot of coaching and

<span;>Other business ventures, like all these guys who are in this, they're all doing more things than just simply, you know, having a YouTube show and and and, you know, trying to profit off of like, you know, whatever they're talking about in the YouTube show and then that's it. Right. So like, I don't even think it's a thing that that is, you know, even really possible or certainly not feasible or reasonable for any of these content creators to do. But you know what? People have accused me of it, and no, of course, no one would ever with any proof ever because I've never ever actually done it. But, but people accuse me of it. So, I recognize the fact that I have, I do have a large voice. I do have a large megaphone and so, I decided to stop giving card pics, just I don't do car picks anymore. You know, I think it's fine for others to do it. I think it's fine for you to talk about on your show and undervalued card that your body.

<span;>I'm not going to do it anymore because I don't even want the possibility of anybody saying, you know, Jeff is saying, go buy this card because he's selling this card or anything like that. Now, we do talk about on my channel. We do like a top-five Tuesday where we talk about cards that have gone up in the market, but that's cards that have gone up. According to the data over the last 30 days that has nothing to. That's not a recommendation. It's not a pic. I'm not telling anybody to buy the card. I'm simply reporting. Porting the news of what happened in the market, over the last 30 days that's all in reporting on that show. I'm no longer, you know, and I stopped, I used to have like a membership that people could subscribe to. And there was a membership level where the main thing you got was a card pick for me. Every week. I kill that off, six months after I started it. I killed it off way back in October 2020. So almost a year and a half ago. I killed that off because I saw I saw pretty quickly that a lot.

<span;>People were coming into the hobby knew, and they were very, very eager to get that pic every week, and they were not doing their own homework and they were not doing your own research, and they were taking what I suggested and just immediately acting on it without any thought on their own. And I said, you know what, that's not great because I'm not going to be right all the time and I wasn't right all the time. I made some really good pics and I made some really bad things and I did and I wanted to provide my opinion and my suggestion and then I wanted people to To critically look at it and decide if they thought that I was right or wrong, but unfortunately some people weren't and they were just kind of taking everything I said Is Gospel, so, so I stopped, I stopped that a year-and-a-half ago and, you know, to this day, people still say all you sell card pics, you're pumping the market. I'm like, dude. I haven't, I haven't sold card picks and year and a half, and I've never once attempted to pump the market, you know, and then sell a card or anything of that nature. So,

<span;>You know, hopefully over time that will fade and hopefully over time people will understand that. That's not really what any of these content creators are doing because it frankly isn't even viable. Yeah. They do. Here's the thing. Besides being a Content creation Creator. I like to listen to other shows and content. I want to host a whoever's on that show to give their opinion. I don't want them to necessarily new to like that's easy to neut like I Want someone's opinion. Now. I may not agree with everything I hear but that's the thing. That's where I'm going with. This job is like the onus is on the person. You can say your opinion. Hey, I think this cards undervalued. I think this card over value at the end of the day. It's on under that per whatever decision that person makes that's they have to own that, it's not your fault or my fault or any other content creators fall. If we share our opinion, that's your opinion that people, you know, email me or DM.

<span;>I think you're wrong here. I think you're right here and, and sometimes. Wrong. When they say I'm wrong. Sometimes they're right. When they say I'm wrong and I think we had, you know, it's great to get outside voices opinions. But at the end of the day, like you said, we you got to do your own research and make those decisions. There are people like you pointed out that don't but how you know, how is that anyone's fault? If they don't do it, you know what I mean? That's really the owners kind of fall back on on them. I think it's just easier. Easy to blame, you know, it's kind of, you know, blame the gun or, you know, blame the gun or blame, the person, firing the gun. And I'm going to blame the person who makes the business decision. Not so much what cards I hope people do. It's great to get, you know, outside opinions and people who are looking at analytics or maybe in my case, just have a just a lot of experience for the two sense. That might be work. But at the end,

<span;>End of the day, got it. You got to make that call yourself. And if it's a, if it works out good and if it doesn't eat, you can't blame someone who gave you her out, you know, their opinion, you followed up on it. You have to kind of own that yourself. I think it's just I think it's just the easy way to just to point the finger at somebody and say, see, it's your fault. You know, I when I listen to you or anyone else any car I said this, you know when we were at that Dr. Beckett's dinner. There in Dallas. I said it during that segment. I'm like, you know, I bought a lot of cards in the 30-something years. I've been doing this. I've never bought one because someone else told me to do it now. I may I may have taken that into consideration, but when I did make a purchase, it was my decision at the end of the day or whenever that purchase was made and and that's how I feel, you know, you can say do this, do that. I'm going to do.

<span;>Do it. It's because I agree now cuz you I just do it blindly and I believe that. So I'm I defend that kind of stuff, you know, the content creators as one and I would defend. Even if I wasn't a content creator, I would still defend the content creator in that case that you just came in your opinion. There's not even a hobby thing. People give their opinions and any kind of shows and contact TV shows that the end of the day. What we buy The decision, we make our own. We have to live in you know die by in both good and bad so, you know to each their own. But that's I'm very strong on that. You know, I don't I know you said, you've pulled some of that content to be sort of even more transparent. But like I still think like, you know, you Everyone's entitled to their opinion. What people do with it? Is on them after that, another quick break, but we'll be right.

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<span;>You have returned with more from sports card investor. You imagine an FTS. I'm on, I'm kind of the old man on the porch with these Jeff. I'm on, if I can hold it, hand it to you, see it, touch it. I don't really want, you know, I don't want to have anything to do with it. But listen, I'm also honest to the point that there were huge thing. Why the rise of these like, what are your thoughts on? You know, I know more

<span;>Then you so I'll wear that old man on the porch badge. But like to me if I can't to me if it's if it can't be something I have in my hand like it's just a picture, whether it's a digital picture or something on the screen, but yet I mean, they're just widely popular. They've Rose, I guess my question to you is, why why the rise and do you see this long-term sustaining? Th</span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;></span;>