Card Menschs E26 2024 Hall of Fame Discussion

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SPEAKER 3: Hi, I'm Danny.

SPEAKER 4: Black and I'm John Newman.

SPEAKER 3: Welcome to card matches. Hi, I'm Danny Black and that's John Newman. And we are card machs. We think this is episode 26. It might be episode 27. It might be episode 275. It all depends on how you count and which show you're on, John. Good to see you. What's up, buddy? What's up, man?

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SPEAKER 3: I don't, I don't wanna spend too long and bury the lead here.

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SPEAKER 3: What are we, we're talking to Hall Of Fame candidates tonight? Is that what we decided?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, it's that time of year, right? When, you know, someone's getting in or someone's are getting in the Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, there's, there's 26 people on this year's list of potentials. Obviously there, some of them are honestly shouldn't be on the list, no offense to them, but they, they are.

SPEAKER 3: Brandon Phillips is going in. I think we can end the show after that.

SPEAKER 4: He had a couple of years man, like where, you know, but no, sorry, Brandon.

SPEAKER 3: Oh and so it's your birthday? But I'm gonna try to give you a break with your sniffles. So I'm just going to throw out random people and for you and for the chat room.

SPEAKER 3: Let, let's talk about what we think you and I have not, we really have not discussed any of these players yet.

SPEAKER 4: So Cold takes, cold takes, we didn't share notes.

SPEAKER 4: So we may disagree on some of these here and.

SPEAKER 3: We meet at this time. Sometimes we say that and we do cheat, but this time we really did.

SPEAKER 4: I've truthfully, I've been very little Social Media other than what I, what I had to do and, and, and so I'm going in, like you said, cold takes here.

SPEAKER 3: All right. I wanna start off with somebody who is in, year six of their ballot last year. They got 72%. I think this one is, is, is maybe one of the most likely ones to get in this year. How do you feel about Todd Helton?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I think this is the year that Todd Houghton get gets in. He had, he, he had 72% 0.2 of the votes, I believe last year.

SPEAKER 4: And so he, he's right there. I think this is the Todd Houghton year when he finally gets in. Like you said, it's his sixth year on the ballot, I think, I think he makes it. I think his, his numbers, you know, are, are good enough.

SPEAKER 4: You know, he, he's got three.

SPEAKER 3: He's Peyton Manning's backup quarterback in Tennessee. Doesn't that get you in automatically?

SPEAKER 4: I don't think that hurts him even too. I think that, I think that helps him. Maybe Peyton made a f couple phone calls for him.

SPEAKER 4: I think he's ba you know, he has only, I mean, 369 home runs or 369 home runs, but he has a 316 career batting average. I think that's what gets him in, great point by Ruben saying if, you know Larry Walker got in, tad hell and, yeah, I think, I think this is the year that, I think.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, the 414 on base to me, if, if you're telling me a major league player can come up to bat and more than four out of 10 times, he's gonna end up on base. I mean, I just, I always, anytime on base over 400 my, my jaw, hits the floor a little bit. I think that's, that's a nice marker. So I think he's, I think he's an easy one. Can we agree on that?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I think he, I'd be surprised if he didn't get in. Let me, let me say it like that.

SPEAKER 3: All right, I'm gonna move to somebody who might be a little bit more controversial.

SPEAKER 3: And this is a first year player played 50% of his career, roughly as a catcher. The other 50% were split between first base and DH Joe Mauer.

SPEAKER 4: Man, you know, II, I almost think it depends on what day you, you asked me, how about today? I'm gonna say no, definitely not. He's definitely, he's definitely not. They're not gonna put him in on the first ballot. They're not gonna put him in on the first ballot there. And I really, I don't know if he, he, he is even, even besides the first ballot.

SPEAKER 4: You know, so there, Hodge is, Hodge is, correcting you there. He's doing his Tony reality.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Actually Peyton was he? Helton's back up until Helton got hurt with the knee injury. Peyton came in to replace Helton.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think he really worked out for help.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, going back to Mauer. I, I'm gonna say no.

SPEAKER 4: I think, and if Mauer ever gets in, if Mauer ever gets in, it's, it's because of his, he was a catcher. If you look at his numbers, if you took his name away in position and just looked at numbers. He's not a Hall Of Famer man. You know who his numbers are close to. I'm gonna say a lot of with all due respects today.

SPEAKER 3: His numbers are very close to John Ood.

SPEAKER 4: Actually, I like John also.

SPEAKER 3: I like John Oliver too, but, I don't think he's a Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 4: No, he's not. He's not all a great guy. You know, if there was a hall, a great guy, he's a first ballot hall, a great guy, but he's not a, a Hall Of Famer. I, I, you know, the way Joe Mauer kinda started off, he was kinda on that track and then, you know, some injuries, the numbers kinda declined.

SPEAKER 4: He's just not a Hall Of Famer. He's a, I mean, twins fans will probably argue to you know, to death about that. But you know, I'm gonna say no, but.

SPEAKER 3: Mike says old was a first baseman. He was they three gold gloves. I think same thing Mauer won catch her three gold gloves.

SPEAKER 3: And, and, and it's a good point. John Oliver Hall Of Mensches. I don't know, John Ward personally, we should.

SPEAKER 4: Start a Hall Of Manches.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, you know what, I don't know if you can be a mention be qualified to pick other Mensches. Ii.

SPEAKER 4: I, I, I think that's not very Mensch.

SPEAKER 3: I, I don't think that's Mensch.

SPEAKER 3: And, and if men, she was not a verb before, it should be why.

SPEAKER 4: Joan Rivers would make fun of people's clothing.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Did anybody ever call her a Mensch?

SPEAKER 4: It depends at different times.

SPEAKER 3: What my favorite banner.

SPEAKER 4: But she could be that at times.

SPEAKER 3: She could be if she liked the outfit. Yeah. All right. So Joe Mauer, we're both a no, no, sorry. Andrew Jones. I saw him play when I worked for the Braves. So I'm gonna tell you, I'm coming to this with, with firsthand, watching him play a ton of games in person and following his career pretty, pretty, pretty tightly.

SPEAKER 3: But I'm not gonna tell you what I think yet. What do you think?

SPEAKER 4: He was very good if this was the Hall of very good Andrew Jones is getting in, but he's not, he doesn't get my vote for Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 3: How much, how much do you put defense into the equation in general?

SPEAKER 4: I like go, I mean, I look at gold gloves. I mean, how many gold gloves does he own?

SPEAKER 3: Rivers? Was more plastic than Tupperware. Mike says we're small haul guys.

SPEAKER 4: I've, I've, I've listen, I don't talk about that on, on my size of my Hall show. It's, it's not the very personal.

SPEAKER 4: I talked to a therapist about my small, small haul and I'm dealing with it.

SPEAKER 3: Well, be careful which therapist you pick these days. You never know. Mookie says as a Mets fan, I was way more worried about chipper for K and even Klus go before Andrew Jones.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, OK, so Andrew Jones to me defensively is on the short list of greatest center fielders of all time. I put a lot of weight into that. I know advanced defensive metrics are, are, are not reliable to me. He's real borderline and I think he ends up being AAA, a Veterans Committee one day.

SPEAKER 4: I think that's the only way he gets in. And even then I don't, I don't see it. You know, Danny, I think, you know, Mookie with Mookie's comment as a Mets fan. He, he mentioned, you know, three other guys that he was more fearful as a fellow Mets fan.

SPEAKER 4: I was more worried about the Wilpons, than anything else, but he's definitely not getting in any kind of Hall Of Fame that I'm, I'm aware of. Unless it's the, I got taken by the Bernie Madoff Hall Of Fame. It'll be a first ballot. In that, shrinkage, shrinkage. It's tell you it's shrinkage. It must be cold up.

SPEAKER 3: In case you hear this on the podcast. It must be cold up in Syracuse for John to have a small haul.

SPEAKER 4: It is cold. I'm not gonna lie. It is cold today.

SPEAKER 4: You know, I've jumped in my hot tub a couple of times today. Just to feel a little bit better and because it's cold out.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie, I think Mookie's responding to you here, talking about the Wilpon, the bad men can't hurt us anymore.

SPEAKER 4: John, I know I came out from under my bed when I heard the news really good. This is the.

SPEAKER 3: Most animated I've seen you all day is talking about the Wilpons.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I just, I mean, I get it, you know, I could be not feeling great and I'Ll get happy that they're not the owners of the Mets anymore. So, all right. Well, that, that like.

SPEAKER 3: It's so let's, let's do a lay up here or I think it's a layup. Adrian Beltre.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. First ballot, first ballot to first ballot. I said this a couple of years ago. I, I did one of my early episodes, Danny and me. So it was about four years ago, was t about a, when Adrian Beltre retired and that, you know, about grabbing some cards cause he would be a first ballot.

SPEAKER 4: Hall Of Famer and I, I think he, I think he gets in, just even with the, the defense as well playing third base, the hot corner, almost 500 home runs. Didn't get, didn't get there quite 477.

SPEAKER 4: 286 bad in average. You know, not that you get in. We, we talked about being a nice guy but a very well liked teammate and player and with the numbers, I think he gets in, I think he's one of the guys that is a shoe in this year. I'd, I'd be, I'd be very surprised if he didn't get in. Let me put it that way.

SPEAKER 3: I agree with you and I guess my only question is, his totals are high but his ratios are, are a little bit lower. Ops plus. So I think he's a first ballot. No question. But it leads to that question. If he's in with that, then is somebody else in with that? So, is it the 3000 hits that puts him over. I mean, he played 21 years.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I didn't realize he played that long. Yeah, he, that doesn't change it for me. As crazy as that. The 3000 hits is a big number. Right. And then he had almost 500 home runs, triple digits and steals and, you know, great defensively and just a great, a great type of teammate and, and kind of catalyst kind of guy.

SPEAKER 4: So I think he gets in, you know, I'm, I'm not arguing that he's the greatest third baseman ever because he's not, but I think he gets in. Yeah, I think he gets in.

SPEAKER 3: I think we need to discuss this one. John is David is David Wright a Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 4: Nope. Listen, I'm a Mets guy, right?

SPEAKER 4: You know, but he's not, he's not a Hall Of Famer man, 242 homer. He doesn't even have 1000 ribbies, 972 142 homer. I know he was injured. He did hit almost 300 you know what used to kill me with David Wright, sorry Ruben. Yeah. You know, it seemed like he got all his big home runs when the Mets were down like 9 to 3. He hit a two run home run.

SPEAKER 3: But let me ask you a question as a Mets fan, how much did his back curtail his career? Would he have been a Hall Of Famer or was he on that track?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, he, yeah, he had spinal stenosis, man. I mean, just, just say spinal stenosis, you don't even have to know what it is. You just know it's not bad when you say those two words, right? So, so no, he's not he's not, he's not even, I'm, I'm gonna say this. He's not even close man.

SPEAKER 4: If the Mets, if the I don't, you know, he, he, he, I don't know if he is already or, but if the Mets, he, he'll probably be in the Mets Hall Of Fame because he was a great, a great Met, a great teammate again, the teammate, team player. Yeah, but he's not a, he's not in the baseball Hall Of Fame and, and it's too bad because he had the talent. He just the, the, the injury, the spinal stenosis sidetracked him.

SPEAKER 4: I hope we see him in baseball again as a coach. I know it's been talked about him, you know, getting back with the Mets in some kind of capacity on the field, I'd like to see it. Again, he wasn't my favorite. Met. That's the, and that, but that's nothing to do with anything I've said. But, you know, played his whole career there. I'd like to see him back in baseball with the Mets as a coach.

SPEAKER 3: A couple of comments to catch up on first of all. Warren. Hello. Good to see you as always. I agree with you. David Wright is not a Hall Of Famer for me either. Yeah, he unfortunately was diagnosed, with a debilitating, disease like John talked about. But, you know, I, I.

SPEAKER 4: That's not his fault, that's not his fault. It's not, you know, it's just, it's just unfortunate.

SPEAKER 3: I, I wanted to mention him because I felt the beginning of his career and, the comment here, from Mookie, they'll retire his number M Hall Of Fame. Maybe I thought it was worth, you know, we, we talk about these guys and the guys that aren't first bout Hall Of Famers, we talk about them, you know, it almost sounds a grading and, and we don't mean it that way. They're the top 1/10 of 1% of baseball players.

SPEAKER 4: We're just blown if someone, if someone gets injured, that's not their fault, no one wants to get injured. I think most people don't want to get injured. Right.

SPEAKER 4: So, I mean, it's just unfortunate but, you know, I mean, it's not a football show. I can make an argument that Terrell Davis shouldn't be in the NFL Hall Of Fame. I thought he missed too much time, but, but we'll bring it back here to, yeah, we, we'll, we'll get back to baseball. I, I like David Wright but, you know, I, I don't, I don't think I don't even think he gets that many votes. Chase.

SPEAKER 4: Someone might be mad at me on this one that I know that loves, Chase. You know, he's got four figure ribbies, 259 home runs.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, he, he played on a winning team as a key player with 358 on base. 465 slugging 823 at second base. Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: 56 war man. He's, he's, he's one of those borderline guys. It's not, I don't think it happens.

SPEAKER 4: This year, he's definitely not a first ballot, which is, this is his first year. So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say no with a hold on a future entrance. So you may get in.

SPEAKER 3: And if you're building a team, Jeff Kent or Chase Utley to me, it's Chase.

SPEAKER 4: I don't like Ken personally. So that's a tough question for me. Ken was a heck of a ball player obviously, but not a really great dude. So I liked Utley the dude, but I think Kent was a better player really. I don't know, man. I'd have to really think of that. That's, that's the answer without getting a lot of time to think about it.

SPEAKER 3: Ii I, I respect what you're saying. I mean, listen, Kent might be, you know, one of the best, you know.

SPEAKER 4: That's one we have to get almost the back of a baseball card when they, their last card and look at their seasons and then answer it again.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I, I just think it's an interesting one because I think that Chase Utley is a lot closer to the Hall Of Fame than I think a lot of other people do now, whether or not he makes it, you know, I, I, you know, definitely I'm gonna say probably not the first couple of years but, almost no across the board and definitely not this year.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie says Utley was the guy in the Phillies lineup that scared me the most but not a Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 4: Warren, he might be, he might be a Veterans Committee guy someday. It might come down to that for Utley.

SPEAKER 3: Warren killing me today. Sorry Warren. I'm going Kent all day. Utley was a really good player. But, you know, III I think, tell me on Utley Danny, he's a Hall Of Famer. Look at the second baseman in the Hall Of Fame, compare the numbers.

SPEAKER 4: But we can make an argument that some of those that are in probably shouldn't have been in there and that's low. That's what happens when you lower the bar.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I know we had some people in here earlier talking about Big Hall versus small Hall. Utley to me is right on the borderline. So he's, to me.

SPEAKER 4: He's, he's a borderline Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 3: Sell you on him, Warren, Warren, I'm gonna sell the Veterans Committee or he's gonna end up, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th ballot type of player.

SPEAKER 3: But, but I, I think if you look at second base, it, it, it's pretty weak.

SPEAKER 3: Here we go. Hodges says Chase Utley had a career war of 64.5. Hard to say no, that 11 of the numbers in the stew.

SPEAKER 3: And you know, Warren, I on, I know how you feel about career war. It's a hard number. To always go by but 64.5 is, is, is a nice Hall Of Fame number. All right.

SPEAKER 4: He's right. He's right there, Danny. Like he's, he's not terrible. It's not a quick, no, like, you know what I mean? Like some of the others we've already discussed.

SPEAKER 4: But I don't know, I, I just, I don't know. Definitely not this year. I'Ll, I'Ll go very staunch. No, for at least this year. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: No, II, I agree for this year.

SPEAKER 3: All right. John, I know you wanted to make a case for James Shields.

SPEAKER 4: Carlos, I wanna do, I do James Jim Shields.

SPEAKER 3: I'm sorry, James.

SPEAKER 4: If, if there is like a Shields Hall Of Fame, like a Hall Of Fame for people with the last name of Shields. James Shields is gonna get my vote. He had 100 and 46 wins. I don't know. I don't know any other Shields with 100 and 46 wins. There could be, I don't know about them. So, but I'Ll joke it aside. That one's, that one's easy.

SPEAKER 3: Warren, I think talking about Utley's career award. It's a good number. But the eye test to me says a lot, but that's a whole other rabbit hole. Yes it is. And I was laughing, about James Shields to me. You know, he, he passed the eye test for a couple of years in the American League East, but he's not a Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 3: All right, Carlos Beltran, he's an interesting one. You got the Astro tie.

SPEAKER 3: You got a long career starting in Kansas City.

SPEAKER 3: What do you think? Not Kansas City? What, what do you think on Beltran?

SPEAKER 4: He gets in but it ain't gonna be this year. I don't know if that's an answer, but that's my answer. So yes, but not, not this, not, not this year. Ok?

SPEAKER 3: But you think he, you think he's definitely a Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 4: At some point but not in 2023.

SPEAKER 3: Well, he's second year on the ballot in 46.5 last year. Yeah, he's.

SPEAKER 4: Gonna get more, he, he will get, he will get more votes, but he won't get the amount needed to get in.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben says the only Hall Of Famer with the last name Shields is Brooke Shields.

SPEAKER 4: Well, she's a first ballot. She's a first ballot. James is not a first ballot. Shields.

SPEAKER 3: Hall Of Brook Brooks small hall.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie says James Shields gave up the home run to Bartolo. He's in My Hall Of Fame that I forgot about that. Hey, Bartolo is on the ballot.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, not getting in.

SPEAKER 3: Ok. Carlos Beltran.

SPEAKER 4: 20 but not yet.

SPEAKER 3: No, 20 some years. You know, I, I think that there's more of a case there, than people realize, I think he's pulled down by his, by the Astros at the end. You're talking about a guy that in the prime of his career could hit, run, play defense. And I think he's looked at as a DH late in his career with, you know, with, with the Houston. Wow, Warren Warren, I'm, I'm getting at least a toughie on this one.

SPEAKER 4: He has, he has, he's again right there on that, that line, right? When we talk about like the basketball tournament, like who gets it? He's on the bubble, right? You gotta wait on Sunday selection. Sunday, right? You see all the teams wait and they got the cameras on them. He's the baseball Hall Of Fame equivalent of that. I don't think this is the year though.

SPEAKER 3: And I think we're under with you. I think Beltran is in, but later the Houston thing affects it. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Ii, I do think he just gets in. I, I know, it, it might be a little old school. I think when you play two decades. In the majors. That, that is at least something to add into the equation.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, but you could, that could hurt you too because it's the old compile. Well, he compiled 20 years of stats and, well.

SPEAKER 3: This is Ruben said, is Beltran better than Harold Baines?

SPEAKER 3: I'm gonna say, I think he is, I'm gonna say, I think he is too.

SPEAKER 3: Now that leads to your argument and Warren says his numbers are above average. Well, that leads to your argument, John, just because Harold Baines got in. Does that mean that is?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, there's guys in the Hall Of Fame that probably shouldn't be there near in and then because they get in, we do the litmus test in the comparison and that's where the bar gets lowered and my argument is this, you can't take someone out of the Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 4: So I'm not gonna make that argument, but I think you gotta forget comparing like guys to certain guys. I think you compare them to the, the, the ones that there really isn't an argument with and then that's how you decide how they stack up overall.

SPEAKER 3: Beltran is better than Baines by far.

SPEAKER 4: Ii I, he is better than Baines, man.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean Baines, you know.

SPEAKER 3: Ok. So for people who don't remember Harold Baines was the number one overall pick if I, if I remember correctly when the guy was younger, before his knees went, he was just a tremendous athlete and, and a great hitter his whole career, but he was limited and he was a DH, and he was a DH, that was not as good of a hitter as Edgar Martinez.

SPEAKER 3: And, you know, so he had some years in the outfield, but for the most part of his career, Howard Baines wa was a solid hitting DH.

SPEAKER 3: And he played for, for, for my Orioles and, you know, I love, I love the guy. He's definitely in the Hall Of Mensches.

SPEAKER 3: He's from Maryland but to me, Harold Baines is not a Hall Of Famer. So back to your litmus test comment. Do I have to put Carlos Beltran in because I disagree with Harold Baines being in and, and my answer is no, I don't think I have.

SPEAKER 3: Does he deserve it? I don't know. He's a close one for me. But he's right there.

SPEAKER 4: I don't think it happens this year, but I think he eventually is up there giving a speech at some point.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I think like the steroid guys, we might have to get more removed from the Houston situation for people's perspective to change.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I don't or I should say I don't disagree.

SPEAKER 3: All right. W which leads, you know, leads us to a group of guys. I'm, I'm gonna put together here a Rod Manny and I'Ll, I'Ll put those two together.

SPEAKER 4: If you look at the A Rod, if it, if it wasn't for steroids, that dude is like, has incredible numbers. I keep be all time. We would. Yeah, I mean, almost 700 home runs, 696 home runs.

SPEAKER 4: You know, 2000 Ribbies, 300 stolen bases, Almost 400 oobp.

SPEAKER 4: He's a Hall Of Famer in numbers wise. No one could argue.

SPEAKER 4: But the steroid thing, he was not a likable guy, you know, yelling at someone that during a pop up is not gonna endear you to his, he still isn't, you know, I mean, even J lo kicked him to the curve eventually. So I'm just kidding. But, it's, numbers wise, he's a, he's a first ballot.

SPEAKER 4: The problem is he did, he juiced and, we don't even know, I think he was in that on that kind of early. So we don't know how much of that is real Danny and how much of that, you know, we can make a case for the Clemens and Bonds because they were Hall Of Famers before they start using.

SPEAKER 4: We don't really know the A rods when he, he used and, he's, he, you know, so I, he's, I don't like him. So maybe I'm the wrong, you know, I'm not fond of him, I should say so, maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, but he only got 35.7% last year. I don't even think that number goes up much higher.

SPEAKER 3: Look at, look at Manny's.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, it's a great point. It's a great point by Ruben. If you put a Rod in, if you put a Rod in, here's what happens. And I don't even go there.

SPEAKER 4: Well, Ruben's exact, then if you put a Rod in, you're gonna put all those guys, you gotta put all those guys in bods Clements.

SPEAKER 3: But, but, but Manny, I think deserves it. If you're putting them in, he's what, 500 some home runs people forget how good of a career he really had because he was a goofball and, and maybe that's being polite. He was an airhead.

SPEAKER 3: Warren says I'm a huge man guy.

SPEAKER 4: He behind the left field scoreboard. I think that took him out of the.

SPEAKER 3: Warren says, I'm not ashamed. They all, they all belong. Steroids may help you hit farther but they don't help. You hit a round ball that moves with a round. But you know, I assume this, I think this is talking about a Rod. It might be talking about me. Steven says all small.

SPEAKER 4: Well, both of you.

SPEAKER 3: All right, we could be or Manny. Manny might fit it too.

SPEAKER 3: So I, I do think that Manny belongs in, I think, I think there's already steroid users that are in the Hall Of Fame. I, I think at this point it's all speculation and and, and nobody's qualified to make those decisions. So I think you have to put them in and just vote on their numbers.

SPEAKER 3: It doesn't mean I like, it doesn't mean I feel good about it, but I don't think it's fair to say that the, that the voters know enough, just like you said, John, that the voters know enough information to make a fair decision.

SPEAKER 4: I think Bonds is gonna be the first guy to get in from the steroid era when that happens. Then other guys may or may not get in, but he's got to be the first one to sort of cross that, you know moonlight Graham line and, and get elected in, you know, man, he's not going before bond.

SPEAKER 4: Just the the the same comment Ruben like if a Rod gets in Bonds has to get in. I agree Bonds will be the first one whenever and if it happens before any of these other guys. So that's what's holding these guys back. It's actually Bonds for. No, no, no, go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I was just gonna say it's Bonds that's preventing these other guys from getting in because you can't put these other guys in before Bonds. It would be blasphemous. So Bonds has to, Bonds has to get in front first and that opens the door to say, ok, let's talk about other guys from that time period that we're using.

SPEAKER 3: A couple of things. I think Bonds being a jerk did not help him. If Bonds had, had, had been a better guy, he might have had a different case. I don't think people talk about that enough.

SPEAKER 4: I know, listen, he's probably one of the worst dudes like persons to play baseball, but he's arguably one of the greatest people to do it, you know, if you know what I mean? He's not a great person.

SPEAKER 4: You know, but one of the arguably one of the greatest players ever lace up cleats. It's unfortunate that he used and that's why we're having this conversation.

SPEAKER 3: Now, I'm gonna take a different perspective. I think people group all the steroid users together, but I don't think they all deserve to be Hall Of Famers.

SPEAKER 3: So let's say we put them all that, they're all eligible for the Hall Of Fame and they get voted on their merits and their numbers only. I don't think Sammy Sosa is a Hall Of Famer. If he never can put up the same numbers, I don't put him in the Hall Of Fame. He's Roger Marris.

SPEAKER 4: Well, some people will argue, Roger Marris should probably be in the Hall Of Fame. Danny. So you like that argument. You know, I will say this. I probably put Roger Marris in the Hall Of Fame before a few other people that are already in there.

SPEAKER 3: Do you put Sosa in the Hall Of Fame? Oh, well, I'm sorry, this is important still love Manny partied with him a few times back in the nineties warm. Don't hold back.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. I don't know, I'd have to look, you know, without looking and deep diving it, I'd say no. But again I Sosa is kind of in the guy. I don't like category with a Rod. So I'm, I'm, I'm biased in a bad way, you know, when he went in front of Congress and forgot how to speak English. That, you know, really kind of turned me off.

SPEAKER 3: Brendan Ryan says George Brett's parties are legendary. I have it on good authority.

SPEAKER 3: I'Ll tell you. So are John Riggins, by the way, if you live in the DC area?

SPEAKER 3: Mookie says Sammy Sosa had 600 homers. If no juicing, you wouldn't put him in Danny.

SPEAKER 3: The 600 homers is the only thing on his resume. That, that, that makes me, I.

SPEAKER 4: Think if, if it wasn't for steroids, I think you'd have to put them in, you know, based on the 600 home runs, I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't like it, but.

SPEAKER 3: I don't think he hit 600 homers without steroids, but I should, but that's not what I said.

SPEAKER 4: So yeah, if that was, if that was all clean and clear, not the clear that Barry B, by the way, that was a really, I didn't even do that on purpose.

SPEAKER 4: So if it, if it wasn't all natural if, if those 600 home runs were all natural, Sosa would be a Hall Of Fame. You can't, you can't keep someone to hit 600 home runs out of the hall.

SPEAKER 3: Naturally, yeah, I mean, 600 home, you got to put him in. But no, I don't think he was a Hall Of Fame player.

SPEAKER 3: And actually Ruben, I, I agree if we're putting guys in and we're not worried about personalities or anything else. I put Palmero in before Sosa in a second.

SPEAKER 4: You have to put me in before Sosa gets in.

SPEAKER 3: Don't wag your finger at me. Mr Palmero. That was my partner.

SPEAKER 3: I'm a US congressman.

SPEAKER 3: No, I, I do think Palmero had a Hall Of Fame career. I think he, I think he used, I think he juiced at the end of his career. Unfortunately, I think he's one of those guys that did not juice most.

SPEAKER 4: Of his career. I agree with that. Yeah, I forgot about. That is a great point by Hodges too. Juice and Cork Bats. Not only did he juice himself. He ju his bat too. Yep. He was double juiced Mookie.

SPEAKER 3: We've done it. Birthday, John has come alive.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. But I just wasted all my, that, that used all my energy up. Right.

SPEAKER 3: It's like, it's like Franken Card or, you know, whatever the Hobby version is.

SPEAKER 3: The 98 season was special to me regardless of what eventually happened, no doubt about it.

SPEAKER 3: Iiiii, I think that's, you know, fair Ruben trying to get his advertisers. He, he, he suggests that depends, advertisers on sports coordinations.

SPEAKER 4: So II I did a little bit too Ruben so I gotta be careful getting that excited.

SPEAKER 3: Here we go, Palmera without the Jews equals Mark Gray on the Hall Of Fame, Mookie. I was thinking that the, the, it, it, it, it, I compared the numbers. It's actually farther apart than you would realize. Palmero numbers are much better than Grace's.

SPEAKER 3: If you assume that the power is legit, how many years that was affected? I don't know. But there was a difference and you know, Mark race was another guy who I thought was gonna get to 3000 hits.

SPEAKER 4: He started out great. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Warren says I, I revered Palmera but the blatant light of Congress soured me. I was crushed. Yeah, I, I think that that unfortunately hurt him more than, yeah, it.

SPEAKER 4: Bothered me too. Warren. I mean, at that point, you could just take the fifth. You didn't have to go through all the semantics and you know, do that. He could have just said or he could have just the way he got animated and then caught basically lying in the sense that just, I agree with Warren. I don't hate Rafael Palmero but definitely didn't, didn't help his cause with me, I.

SPEAKER 3: Think in general when people double down on a mistake, people take, you take it much worse.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, people are forgiving. But when you do things like that that's where you keep, that's where people are less forgiving. Yep.

SPEAKER 3: Ha, it says these juices could have been juicing before day one in the majors. Some of them did. It, it depends how old they were and when they came out it's a matter of what was available.

SPEAKER 3: Part of it is and if you wanna watch some, something interesting, the, documentary on Balco and kind of how they evolved now, I know they're not the only lab that and what do I know? I have no idea where to buy steroids people, but Balco is not the only people in the world to ever make steroids.

SPEAKER 3: What's going on?

SPEAKER 4: Full, full disclosure. I've been on steroids but they were prescribed by a doctor. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Unfortunately the doctor was from Balco John and that's what you're not telling everybody. We've heard about your, your softball game and.

SPEAKER 4: I had enough out of you tonight.

SPEAKER 3: What was your, what was your softball, line this year?

SPEAKER 4: Now, this year is not, this year was actually pretty good, average wise, but I only hit one home run. I added like 700 if.

SPEAKER 3: It goes up next year, you know what? Everybody's gonna think.

SPEAKER 3: You're the Brady and you're the Brady.

SPEAKER 4: And especially at my age, they definitely she will be suspicions around.

SPEAKER 3: Do, do they hit home runs? Do they hit home runs in the senior leagues?

SPEAKER 4: They do, they do yet, but they happen.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie wants to know if you were, when you pitched to Vitek and if not, you probably, I don't think it would, I don't think it would have mattered.

SPEAKER 4: I don't think it would have mattered but, and.

SPEAKER 3: Doctor, he's John supplier.

SPEAKER 4: I might have been ju if I juice that that morning. It was orange juice up Orlando.

SPEAKER 3: This is a, this is a great comment. Rumor says, look at the list of players that played for the Rangers that have been on the juice list. Well, wasn't ko on the Rangers for a little while?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, that's pretty much from what I get what I've read. I mean that he was the guy that it was.

SPEAKER 3: Like a, it was like a food truck, wasn't it? Isn't that how it works? He set up a food truck and you just got in line.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, here's your here's your pasta and shoot yourself in the butt with this after little cream.

SPEAKER 3: A little clear. Yeah. Ii I don't think it's a coincidence. He, he has been open about the fact that he was pro Stare. Roy's to a lot of players. So he's talked about that and you know, he's interesting if you've ever read his, his book.

SPEAKER 3: It's turned out that most of what he said has been proven true.

SPEAKER 3: Which is interesting, in hindsight.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Yeah, but he gets a lot less Christmas card. He gets a lot less Christmas cards nowadays.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, maybe I'Ll send him a Hanukkah card.

SPEAKER 3: Sosa Canseco Palmero. A Rod. Oh, my.

SPEAKER 3: The, yes, all, all Texas connections and.

SPEAKER 4: Others and other lesser name players, I'm sure did it. Well, that's the.

SPEAKER 3: Other thing is, is there, there were lesser name players. Ok. Well, let me throw another one out out at you.

SPEAKER 4: Andy Pettitte as a Hall Of Famer. Yep. No, all of very good Hall of very good Beltre and Podge Hart to know who parts off and it gets a lot more credit because of the World Series titles. The Yankees won and I'm not saying he's not a part of that or a factor that but he's not a Hall Of Famer.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Now Juan Gonzalez, I'm sure Mookie says, hey, I was at the home run derby with Gonzalez and Ken Griffey Junior. And yeah, that was an unbelievable showing. Just to clarify guys, I'm throwing some names out there. I do not believe that. Andy Pettitte is a Hall Of Famer at all.

SPEAKER 3: Not in any way, shape or form.

SPEAKER 4: This is not your high school, this is not your high school Hall Of Fame, you know, in high school. They not, they like whole whole teams get in like the play the whole nine, the 1985 state football championship team. Well, they don't do that in baseball.

SPEAKER 4: So the fact that Andy Pettitte has a bunch of rings. Andy Pettitte, the player is not a Hall Of Famer. He's a hall, he was a very good pitcher, for an extended period of time and that helped, that contributed to the, that Yankees run, but he's not a Hall Of Fame player.

SPEAKER 3: Well, to me, it's similar to Bernie Williams.

SPEAKER 3: Nice career for, for, for, for a long time. A lot of Rings.

SPEAKER 3: He can even play guitar, which is a bonus.

SPEAKER 3: Warren 256 wins. I'm I'm gonna stay off the wins soapbox. But you know, Mookie Andy Pettitte says he accidentally sat on a needle by the way, that's funny. I have three, I have three kids and I told my in-laws I slipped and fell and, you know.

SPEAKER 4: I will say that though with Andy Pettitte in the, in the steroids, I think he did it for the shortest amount of time. Yes, this is my on dog at community college shirt. I'm gonna be taking some, some course. Is there here in January. So, I'm rocking the shirt.

SPEAKER 4: So I don't, I don't think Andy Pettitte actually did steroids for very long, especially in comparison. You have the two others. I don't know for su for sure. Obviously, you're right. I don't, but that even being said, even if you took the steroids away. Ii, I don't think he's in the hall.

SPEAKER 3: No, not even close.

SPEAKER 3: At all. In fact, I tend to be a small haul guy.

SPEAKER 3: But you know, there, there, there, there is one guy and I'Ll ask you this question, how much do you can count defense in general? Like, could a guy be the best, like Ozzie Smith, would you take the best defensive player of a generation and say that skill is worthy enough on its own to be in the Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 4: At a position player? Yeah, like an infielder, an outfielder.

SPEAKER 3: So Omar Viscal, does he deserve any love?

SPEAKER 4: Oh man, I know you're gonna hit me with this one. He's gonna get, he's gonna get a lot of votes. I don't think he gets in my gut says no. But he's actually, well, this is his seventh year. He had 19.5 last year.

SPEAKER 4: He's not getting in but I think he gets more than the 19.5 this year.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So I actually don't think he should be a Hall Of Famer, but I think there's a point to be made and I think there's a point to be made about Ozzie Smith and I'm gonna say that.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Well, Ozzie's in the hall, you know, TJ is online, makes a point. Pee Wee Reese was probably a better defensive player than a hitter. I think most people would agree, would agree with that. So, defense is a fact there has to be right.

SPEAKER 3: There you go. Put Ray Oron is in.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, and this is interesting, Omar off the field, dropped his voter turnout. Well, we talked about that before.

SPEAKER 3: You know, how much does you know off the field matter, with, with, with the writers and I think it does, TJ says Ozzie Smith made the whole same because he did the best, the best backflips on turf. It's because he's in the, the, this week in baseball opening, that's I'm convinced.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, yeah, Ruben says Mazurowski is his first day. So I'm gonna ask the chat room. Does anybody think Omar Vizquel, deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame? I mean, if, if, if, if these guys have set the bar, because I thought, I thought it was a, I would get killed for even bringing his name up.

SPEAKER 3: And I have him in the hall of, of, you know, hall great or hall really good, whatever you wanna call it.

SPEAKER 3: But I think he deserves a lot more respect and talk than he gets.

SPEAKER 3: I don't, you know, he, he, how many years did he play? Everybody's in there for Omar? Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Omar play, yeah, 24 seasons, a career war of 45. But yeah, I think I'm probably in now. All right. Here, I would put Ozzie Smith, excuse me, Ozzie Gian in for what he did for the White Sox overall versus G.

SPEAKER 3: I think Gian had a little shorter career.

SPEAKER 3: As long as you're considered an institution, you get a pass on career merits. And Hall Of Fame worthiness is granted like Bob. Yer. Well, there, there is something to be said about that.

SPEAKER 3: Hodges 11 gold gloves or queer wore 45.6. He is a tough one.

SPEAKER 3: And Stukes guard says 29 plus de defensive war for Visc. You know, everybody's know, but the numbers are interesting. Do you think Ozzie Smith was that much better of a defender?

SPEAKER 4: Oh, I don't know. Sometimes it's timing, man, don't you agree? Sometimes it's just, you know, it was during that, that the years he played and, you know, you mentioned this week in baseball became sort of a, a fan favorite. I mean, there were Ozzie Smith fans who weren't Cardinal fans.

SPEAKER 4: It's very.

SPEAKER 3: It got played for a lot of teams and didn't have the World Series. Ozzie Smith had his World Series moment.

SPEAKER 4: I've talked to people say like, hey, the Brewers were my favorite team, but I loved Ozzie or, you know, whatever. They, they had a different favorite team than the team Ozzie played for, but Ozzy was their favorite player. He was just a, well like, dude, it's.

SPEAKER 3: Exactly, Yeah, Ozzie Smith is super likable. Even before Vizquel's issues, people never seem to like him. So, is likability that big of a deal for the Hall Of Fame, you know, it's just more than I expected, I guess coming into this conversation.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie says actually Vizquel was just shy of 3000 hits. I'Ll admit that after 24 season that, that might be a little bit of a compiler.

SPEAKER 3: Ozzy's defensive war was 44 2. It's a little bit more than 29. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Ozzy doesn't make, excuse me, Omar doesn't make it for me.

SPEAKER 4: He might be one of the guys that gets in Veterans Committee years from now.

SPEAKER 3: A lot of the defensive guys do.

SPEAKER 4: That's where, how he gets in if he gets in. I'm not even predicting that. I'm just saying that's his entry way. That's his pathway.

SPEAKER 3: Gary Templeton. Great name.

SPEAKER 3: All right, we are on the home stretch here. Do you have anybody else who you have is a definite end that I've missed.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, you, you missed the guy, I think in my mind, we'll see what the chat room says.

SPEAKER 4: It says ninth year on the ballot got 68% last year. I think this is the, I didn't, I didn't miss him. Yeah, Billy Wagner is getting in, Billy Wagner is getting in the hall this year. Another, I, I think Wagner and Helton are the guys Wagner Houghton. And Beltre and that might be the only three for all we know, but I think Wagner over 400 saves.

SPEAKER 4: Just an incredible, you know, started as a starter.

SPEAKER 4: Didn't have enough different pitches to make it work there, and became as converted to a reliever and thrived and he, he was good for a long time. It wasn't like he just flashed for five years.

SPEAKER 3: No, I mean, but how many, how many closers do you think should be in the hole? I mean, is he the next one? Is it like punters or is it le legit position?

SPEAKER 4: I don't think there's a number. I think you just either you're worthy of getting in or you're not.

SPEAKER 4: I think he's, he's 231 career, er, a 422 saves, dominant closer, of his time. One of them. I think he, he gets in or this is what's fun about. Yeah, that is what's fun about these shows. Orlando saying, no, I'm, I'm saying yes. Now, listen, he's getting in, if he gets in this year, it's in his ninth attempt. So, you know, he's not a first ballot but I think he's, he's got enough numbers as a closer to get in there.

SPEAKER 3: Wagner was great but not elite like Mariano Rivera TJ says.

SPEAKER 4: Well, Mariano's in almost in the cla probably is in a class by himself. And so to compare him to Mariano, I don't think if you compare anyone to Mariano, you can make a case that they shouldn't be in. But, I think he gets in this year. I'd be, I'd be surprised. Well, I'm not super surprised but I'm, I'm figuring that he's gonna make it in.

SPEAKER 3: So, here's the question I always ask what has changed in the last nine years in his career.

SPEAKER 4: I know. I know that argument. Nothing. There's been no extra, no one's hit another home run. There's been no another win or save it. Again, it's that timing. It's who you're up against. What kind of, who's the first ballots? Right. Right. A lot of it's who's the first ballots? Let's look at the first balls. I'm gonna just rattle these off, Danny in no particular order.

SPEAKER 4: Well, Metre Mauer Utley, right. Cologne all Adrian Gonzalez Jose Bautista, Jose Reyes, Victor Martinez James Shields and Brandon Phillips out of all those 1st, 1st ballot guys, Beltre to me is the only like to me. Sure shot. So that opens the door. Now, if, if there were four first battle Hall Of Famers, a lot of these guys that we put in would be nos I think in my opinion, see, I think.

SPEAKER 3: Beltre and Helton are the only ones that get in.

SPEAKER 4: I, I'm going, I'm going Beltran or.

SPEAKER 3: Just Beltre is the only short end out of the first one.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I think it's Beltre Helton and Wagner. That's my prediction. Again. Prediction. Sure to go wrong. Right. That's our little, our, our thing. But, I think, I'm, I'm, that's my three, you know, maybe Wagner doesn't, maybe Orlando knows, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 4: Like could be just, it could just be Beltre and hell and, or it could be Beltre hell and, and someone not Wagner could be someone I said no to, but someone else said yes enough to. Right. I don't have a vote. So this is all for, for semantics and, and fun.

SPEAKER 3: This is Mookie makes a good comment here. Baseball players who presidencies, sometimes you need the passage of time to truly assess what they did.

SPEAKER 3: Sometimes, sometimes, you know, that's why I was saying Billy Wagner 5050 but we've had nine years to look at Billy Wagner. So getting to the, you know, the comment that we need a little time. I, I just think the voters at this point have had plenty of chances to vote for him. Now your to, to your point.

SPEAKER 3: Only voting in two guys, you know, maybe, maybe enough ballots. Get to that third, that third one, you know, ju just, just by pure, pure lack of other people to vote for.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, and a good fourth ballot year. You're not gonna get a lot of those guys have been on the ballot for other numerous years to get in because there's less votes to go around. It's like a pie. The votes are a pie. If all the first ballot guys are eating, there's less pie for those non first ballot. I like pie. I like cheesecake. I think we've established it.

SPEAKER 3: Do you get cheesecake for Thanksgiving?

SPEAKER 4: It was, it was for birth by birthday slash Thanksgiving, but we had pecan pie which I don't like believe it or not. Apple pie.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, Apple pie, pecan pie and cheesecake. I skipped the pecan pie real quick.

SPEAKER 3: Would you have the best player on your team for any amount of years to get into the hall for any amount of years?

SPEAKER 4: I don't think that's a prerequisite. I don't think it, it hurts you for by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think we, we there's guys in a hall that have, have worn five or six different caps or, or even more in some cases. So, you know, I'm so I'm I'm gonna say it helps your case. Thank you Orlando for the happy birthday. I think it helps your case, but I don't think it's a prerequisite.

SPEAKER 3: Brendon Ryan says, do you think the coffee at those meetings sways the votes lol Yes, I think, I think good coffee and it makes, it makes everybody happy, but they actually MLB they vote independently the NFL. They still get into a room together.

SPEAKER 3: Gaylord Perry. Thank you, Ruben.

SPEAKER 3: Ok.

SPEAKER 4: He get if there's a hall of Names he gets in just on that alone.

SPEAKER 3: Well, let me tell you something.

SPEAKER 3: Gaylor Perry, Ruben, I'd love a little bit more context on that.

SPEAKER 3: And I don't need any. All right as we bring it home here cause cause we're at, at the hour Mark and John told me not to go to an hour tonight. We got the comment from our.

SPEAKER 4: We don't have to but we'll see where it goes.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, stunning reviews. Five stars. Got to admit I've had worst Friday nights.

SPEAKER 3: That's what we're going for.

SPEAKER 4: That's gonna be like on the movie poster, right? I, I see stinks. Right.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben said John was talking about players that played with many teams. Gaylord Perry. Yes, we could do the immaculate immaculate grid Hall Of Fame.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. And even like when he played at the, like the Hall Of Fame games here at Cooper, I say here at Cooper, I'm near Cooperstown, but at Cooperstown. Did he wear a jersey where like all the teams? Right? It was funny as heck he'd wear that with that jersey.

SPEAKER 3: Well, officially in case anybody, I wasn't sure. Happy birthday, Mr Newman. I consider you a Hobby, friend and a personal friend and tru truly happy that I've now celebrated, I think three birthdays or four birthdays with you. So, you know, you just keep getting older. Luckily I stay young.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, that's how it always goes with me.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, thank you. Dan, that's Dan. Right. He's a, he's from Syracuse as well. So I see him here at the shows and in stores and, and whatnot. Yeah, I wish I felt better on my birthday. Isn't that? You know? But, thank you TJ.

SPEAKER 4: But listen, I made it, I wasn't sure I was gonna make it today but, I got through with little, little low, little lower tone but, you know, I got, I got amped up at different moments and, and whatnot. Thank you, Brendan. Ruben, thank you. 60 for Ruben added 10 years. Well, he was.

SPEAKER 3: Just going by how you looked.

SPEAKER 4: I probably do today. I'm not gonna, I'm not, I feel it.

SPEAKER 4: You know, so, but, yeah, it's, I, I appreciate it, man. And, and, you know, we talk about, I'Ll kind of close with, you know, on, on, on this, you know, we talk about Thanksgiving and, and, you know, we share what we're thankful for.

SPEAKER 4: We're gonna do something like that tomorrow in Hobby hotline, shameless plug there. But, even for this show, right? Gonna do this with you. Very cool. The chat room is tremendous. These guys are here almost, a lot of them are here, almost every Friday. Make me laugh.

SPEAKER 4: Some of the comments are, are better than what we're saying on the air and, that, you know, very thankful for, for that and the fact that people take time out of their Friday night and, and spend it, with us for those that are listening to this after the fact of podcast, form as well.

SPEAKER 4: We, we appreciate you and are thankful for you, as well. Thank you had just, for the happy birthday. So, yeah, I, I didn't take Roy's for, for a long time, but, yeah, that's probably some side of, today.

SPEAKER 3: Once again I'm gonna stand by the fact that you betted 700 softball this year and I at 51 you know, so you played 50 easy there, easy there. You played at 50. Let's not, let's not, you know.

SPEAKER 4: No, I know. But like things, things start to slow down and reflexes and, you know, that's, that's part, that's what happens and I still got the, I still had, had a pretty good clip.

SPEAKER 3: So just one, just one homer. So remember guys, if John hits more than one homer next year, we know we know why.

SPEAKER 4: Don't bet on it, don't bet on it.

SPEAKER 3: I'Ll just say that, TJ, we need to get you both in the Philly show. One of these weekends. I have been many times. We do need to get John down.

SPEAKER 3: It's a fantastic show. Yep. Absolutely. Have a nice weekend. I'Ll, I'Ll second that sentiment.

SPEAKER 3: John, I do wanna make sure that we, you, you have a chance to talk about what a lot of people are doing right now. They're getting cards and they're gonna need to get them graded.

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SPEAKER 4: Yeah, it's the new genic. I don't know. I don't trust that stuff.

SPEAKER 4: New Jii, I see the commercials and the thought enters my mind. I'm not gonna lie. Like, is it, you know, Frank Thomas is swearing by it.

SPEAKER 3: But, well, I just want to know who thought that Frank Thomas and Doug Flutie would be in the same product, commercial eugenics, right? They're built, it couldn't be built more different. All right, I think I'm ready to, to get out of here. How about you, Newman?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I wanna thank everybody again whether it's Thanksgiving or, or just a regular Friday night.

SPEAKER 4: You know, you guys make this, a lot more fun. Me and Danny have fun on our own accord. But, you guys, you guys make it all the more better, so we appreciate you.

SPEAKER 3: I, I'Ll, I'Ll second that and, you know, just as a quick thank you. Since I don't get a lot of opportunities to get on screen, with friends and say thank you.

SPEAKER 3: I just wanted to thank everybody in the Hobby.

SPEAKER 3: That, that this really, you know, life happens and life happens away from the show and this is really a reprieve, for, for me and, and John. I know as well. So, on that note, say good night John.

SPEAKER 4: Good night John.