Card Mensches E50 Yankee/Dodgers best lineup 1950-Now

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www.gc.com I am Danny black and I'm John Newman welcome to card mes what's going

on you doing the opening and boom goes the D might remember that there it is

what's going on you know this is episode 50 we forgot to talk about that I didn't know that the big fiveo I think so

what's up Ruben what's up Barry yeah it's 50 right it is 50 last yeah that's

what comes after 49 last time I checked thank you very much I know that is nuts

that is crazy to think that is it is I'm going to leave that up there for a minute so that's like a virtuall patting

ourselves on the back yeah just just little little humble brag how

many how many other shows make 50 episodes and that's a maybe even if they're doing one a week which we don't

do we do one every two weeks so even more

so yeah good enough uh mooki uh it's actually 45 for your first colonoscopy

you're running late I don't want to talk about that stuff all right John's moving back on to our 50th our 50th uh episode

here we'll leave it on congratulations 50 it is it that's a big deal dude it is

I I really because that's a it's a hundred regular episodes if it's a if it's a weekly show is is what that is

you know I to think I'm like I got 300 something you know sports car nation

that show's been around a while six years so yeah 50 50 is a lot two years

yeah almost into the third technically third year because that you know if

we're every other week 52 weeks is two years so I I want to know I'm putting

this in the chat I got my pick I'm gonna save it to the end I'm gonna save it to the end you're not gonna tell me you're

not gonna tell me your pick at the end of the show what do I have to like tune in yeah it's called a tease uh what's

our favorite episode out of the 50 that's a great question I don't even remember probably 7 we we've had some

fun ones you know the for me it's the one that we we don't see coming and and

we think it's going to be you know a regular show and we end up laughing for the whole time and it goes by quickly

and we finish and like I I think a good show for me is when if I listen to it

again like while I'm driving and obviously I I was dued the show so nothing should be new but something I

hear us say and I laugh out loud and like that's a mar of like I did the show

and it still makes me laugh after you know even after I know what's coming mie says tonight is the 38th

aniversary sure is M Wilson Bill Buckner rest in peace Bill Buckner

y here's the thing mie thanks for it is exactly the 30 years ago today and when

I say that number man for us well when I say that number how 38 years ago like

think about it man I was 30 I I can't believe it's been that long and then you realize how old you are like I saw that

man I was 14 years old and uh you know I was a new Mets fan at that point I kind

of I switched over in 1984 so I was kind of in my early stages

and um you know I remember obviously I remember that night in the Bill Buckner play and there was a small part of me

even though I was obviously rooting for the mats Dy there was a small part of me that knew how big that play was and how

bad that play was for Buckner I actually felt bad yeah I actually lot of people

even as a 14-year-old kid I actually remember feeling remorse or feeling I

don't know if worried it's the right word but concerned for him and how he could go back to you know I was thinking

even his teammates what's that locker room like he's got to be like the loneliest man in the in the world then

we saw what happened in the the next game right you and I have talked about this if in real time there was a lot of

stuff going wrong that led up to that yeah but that was a big one you know that was a big one the wheels were

stting I'm with Barry on this yeah and everyone makes errors everyone makes

errors I get it but it in the hotlights of a World Series and now listen you

know I I saw mooki said mooki saved us you know fate saved you m that was a

very slow hit ball now I've heard the argument that could have they got mookie

out if if Buckner fielded that cleanly it might have been close you know um I

would have I would have leaned towards the out I mean it wasn't a hard hit ground ball that's one of the reasons

why people discuss like mooki beating it out if if even if Buckner but it it was

not a hard hit ball was not a you know a laser and just went through the wickets

Bob Stanley while pitch yes which came I think that came afterwards that was what

you know and then you know there wasn't a next game but there wouldn't have been in you know in my mind Buckner again one

one they say one play doesn't win or lose your game Buckner's play was was a big one what

people is is he was not their normal ninth inning first baseman I forget and

mie fil me and uh who who was the uh the regular def defensive ninth inning first

baseman that they didn't bring because they wanted Buckner to get to be on the field for the clinch for the for the Red

Sox yeah Dave thank you mooki I knew you would know it and and mooki makes a

great point it was a greater bat by mooki Wilson you know folling pitchers

off you know in my mind I see him I remember him lunging for one that was on the corner where he just barely got the

bat on it and had he kn you know it have been a called strike so it it's a good

point he he battled it was a battle at bat when he finally made contact out it was no great shakes but the B theat

itself was epic I remember again 14y old kid who was playing and this was again I

I talk about 86 this was really when I kind of came into my own as a as a

player myself and starting to get people to take notice of how I played and that sort of thing so baseball was really

high on my list of of here my favorite team was you know I want to watch that World Series or that playoffs right um

in this case the World Series regardless of the Mets were in it or not that's how big of a baseball the fact that they

were in it even more so and you know that's just one of those moments that

stick with you and it's like slow motion but the sensitive part of me even felt for Bill Buckner uh you know secondarily

I'm like oh man you know as a player myself like that guy how's he go back in his locker room if they don't win you

know how's he walk the streets of of Boston again so I'm gonna say that to

mooki uh he said the Mookie Wilson at bat is the most consequential at bat in

World Series history Joe Carter um I mean Kurt Gibson

I get it there's a lot of them but that one that one's in the it was a it's in the conversation I think too and M could

correct me if I'm wrong I think too he's saying just the battle that how long theat was um how how it looked Bleak at

times how it kind of just barely gets something on the bat and stay alive when

you factor in all that the length the The Dramatics of it I'd probably say Kirk gibbes and Joe Carter you know I I

didn't see the wasn't around live to see the bill mazeroski know a lot of people

talk about that one you're not that you're not that old yeah no not yet I'm

catching up there where I could talk about being there but but no I I yeah I

mean yeah that mogie and it's you know it is it's a play you see and on like

films and clips about baseball you know it lives on barely 38 years later and

it's you know in mess history it's it I you know I know there was the the 69

World Series which was an upset uh you're welcome for me bringing uh that back up but uh you know the 86 was the

you know we hadn't won one uh since and uh I don't know it was just a weird and

the think it was that long ago doesn't feel I will say this as someone who watched it you know doesn't feel like 38

years 1969 never happened uh Ruben says I picture a 14-year-old Newman with a

satin jacket black jeans with a hole in the knee Adidas high tops with the tongues out and a curly mullet it's like

mullet childhood SMY I will say not far

off but definitely not a mullet my hair grew like this rather it if I didn't cut

it it got it gets higher at least at that time I'm trying to think yeah probably some sweatpants man I was a

sweatpants kid whenever I whenever I could get it away so I could see you and

remember the zubas I wor I had a stealer pair of those the black and yellow I

didn't you know I didn't wear it a ton you had to pick your SP there's another

apparel you had to pick there was no no there was no good place to pick those

yeah I I managed you know Sundays I wore those bad boys the Adidas Adidas is is

probably the closest thing I probably had shell tops rather than than the high tops so Adidas shell tops which I still

wear occasionally uh today yeah mullets were not big in New York uh back at least in 1986 so

Lenny Dyer was trying to make it so but overall overall the population in New

York while we Love Nails we didn't necessarily want to rock his hair D that's what made him him you know if we

all had the same hair we wouldn't have liked them was a whole team of mullets yeah I had I had demen fro especially at

that age for whatever ever Audrey all right so we're not actually going to do an hour on the 86 World Series but no I

was going to say we haven't even got into what we're doing today yet well we haven't gotten into anything um I want

to give a shout out to the sidef it's the sidef found episode right now we're doing our introduction uh what's up

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about the World Series in in in the mench way uh we're looking back at the

great Dodger Yankee lineups and kind of combining the two teams and coming up

with a uh a lineup that represents the best of each position with a with with

maybe some of our favorite baseball card players mixed in um and some other

shoutouts but the key is here that we want to go into uh 1950 and newer so

we're not gonna We're not gonna have Ruth or gar or you know fox

or a bunch of other guys um I had to erase Gary forgetting our rule that we

agreed to yeah I had to eras G I had a mind lapse on that one so I I had to

redo that one with with a someone that fits the criteria 50 in the current all

right sorry sorry Lou yeah no I mean listen I'd rather have the Babe in there

yeah okay so do we want to kind of start on one that that's probably pretty chalk

but yeah lead the way lead the way again this is one of your great topics so uh

go ahead all right I think if you look at the history of the Dodgers and the history of the Yankees the best catcher

between the two franchises uh Yogi Bear slightly in front of Roy

Campanella for me yeah yeah no doubt Roy uh Yogi with all the Rings Roy

unfortunate accident which cost him uh his career not his fault obviously uh

but you know longevity right it's got to count for something and it allowed Yogi

to have enough Rings where they they won't fit on all both of his hands combined and uh he became a Hall of

Famer obviously and just he's in the mix when people talk about greatest catchers he's not generally the the pick but he's

at least mentioned and so if you're mentioned in in the alltime catchers list period and you fit the criteria for

this list you're gonna you're gonna make it Thurman mson no doubt third on theist

you know yeah Thurman was my dude I would have loved to put Thurman ahead of Yogi but that wouldn't have been fair

that would have been objective you know what I mean so um it would have just

been let's pick your would have became a popularity contest and pick pick your favorite Yankees right I didn't do

contest Rick Dempsey would have won yeah so so yeah I think you go Bara

Campanella mson you can almost make mson and Campanella two and

2A honestly no can't can't was much better yeah maybe there there's my Ms in

homerism coming to live I think the great argument is who's fourth Steve

jger wow that's it's a it's a it's a drop off I mean I'm not being funny yeah

is it Joe gerardi is it Steve I just I was just gonna say

that I think it's it's a better conversation for fourth than than for

first because I think first is is chalk here with bar Mike SOA oh I forgot yeah

see you forget dudes that's why we that's why we have the best chat room yeah P he didn't you know he's looked at

more as I think a met but he was at the Dodgers for a little bit you could thr P the the famous story about Tommy Lort

picking him in the 42nd round um I think he played five or six years in

Dodger Howard another good one yeah yeah I I I that I was too young for Alon so

in defense of myself um that's where I lean mson because I grew up with with mson watching mson um but everyone if

you talk to someone who who knows or watched Elon Howard play they do Rave

about him so what's going on glad you jumped in um all right so we're going

around the horn here on the Yankees and Dodgers uh kind of blending them for an

alltime team I also want to say that certain people I picked because I like

their cards better if it was a tough call so being a hobby show there's

definitely a a little little bit of that and speaking of which let's go to first base right well I I'll let you go first

or who I don't know who went first we kind of you go first because I I I had a

feeling of what you might do and I reacted I wrote before when I just had a

brain fart forgot that it had to be 50 and up I wrote garri and then you know

you talking to you before the show you like hey remember it's 50 and up and I'm like why did I write Garrick down so I

had to erase it and replace it and you know Steve Garvey was someone I

thought about I'm not gonna lie I like Steve Garvey do you I think he's

overrated I think he's underrated so is that crazy same guy yeah so St by his

hair yeah he look up his numbers man they will surprise you and his Allstar

appearances he wasn't a bad Fielder like he didn't have a ton of holes in his game uh you know arms like like the

nickname popey and you know so it's not Gil Hodes man Gil Hodes was on the list

for me but I went with madly I went madly man I I again maybe and it's no

disrespect listen I if it was close and I could pick a Dodger over a Yankee I was going to do it a brook you know but

I had to go with madley man I I even when I wasn't a Yankee fan anymore he

was a guy that made it hard to go and I became a fan in I stayed following him

even though I didn't root for his team right and again great play yeah you know

so let me ask you a question which mading Ley rookie uh is your favorite Ah that's easy I'm can look at it right

there it's 84 donus I spent a lot of I spent a lot of 12 year old money and

probably other people's 12 year old money you know I probably took out loans as a 12y old byy an 84 donr pack uh I

just love number one I love that set design the manly rookie chase the Tony

Gwyn in that who I was a fan of even at an early stage I know it was a second year um that card was was a a great card

and just uh I love that set you know Don there's not too many Don sets that make

my list for like welld designed agree that's one of my like but but there's

not many on that list but the 84 donus is is is at the top of my alltime f

alltime favorite including like vintage era 84 Donis is right there for me

Warren I asked the question but I agree with you and I agree with uh Newman uh

the 84 D wruss on the manly rookies uh no doubt um I want to go back to

Mookie's comment because he said Gil Hodges is easy number one uh that's what I had uh mooki I I had Gil I I I'm not

proud to say I picked Manley over Hodges and and Hodges isn't Hodges is in the

Baseball Hall and Manley isn't Hodges got a World Series ring madley I'm gonna

defend you I think madle's underrated and I think it's a lot closer than people would think in this conversation

but I took and I think hajes is more of a power hitter or known for being more

of a power hitting first baseman then Manley but on the other side that coin Manley is known as a clutch 300 type

hitter Hodes is not a 300 type hitter guy and he didn't claim to be that wasn't his his game and this is a great

Point Hodes has a number of reti in Queens and allly yeah I do think the Yankees should if I'm assuming it's not

then uh I almost think madley should have his number retired 23 there's some

Jordan connotation uh in I know that's not why he was number 23 but what does

one have to do with the other I don't know but when you think of famous 23s right those are the first two those are

the first in my mind anyway I I don't have to think about there's a lot of 23 Kobe wore 23 didn't he no 24 24 and 42

no 24 and then he went to eight later on I'm not a number if you can't tell um

madingley is is in Monument Park yeah man he's I I can make a case for the

Hall of Fame for Don Donald Arthur madley man and like hes was hard to go

against but I don't know I just think manle overall was a better player you

know who do you want up uh and again you know give the advantage to Manley

because I watched him play I watched him play live I was chasing that 84 donus

you know and spending a lot of my allowance and and other monies on on

that product so you know it hits close to the heart so I I went with badly but

hajes is right there and I won't argue with anybody who put you know hajes on

the list you can't argue against it it's just which one do you pick right you

know and Tino I saw someone mention Tino in the chat quiet guy just goes you know

he's probably worth the at least an honorable mention just for the World Series he appeared in

so was intense yeah and he had he was a good hitter in his own right yeah but

separate leue from these guys all right second base I is this chalk across the

board we both have obviously have Willie Randol right I love we some Willie

Rand and then he became Met's manager this I will say this uh obviously I

think most people know who I picked but there wasn't a lot of choices there wasn't a lot of choices um but nobody

was gonna beat Jackie come on yeah yeah is't that crazy I mean what were some

other candidates you know um Chuck noblock Steve Sachs Steve saaks for the

Dodgers I mean Willie Randolph I might be the best willly Rand Willie Randolph

would probably be next and no offense to Willie Randal the fact that he's the next best you know Dodger second baseman

you know daav Lopes another you know but that the fact that Willie Rand was probably the next best guy after Jackie

tells you about you know how do I want to the lack of quality choices at second base speak Rand and L Panella sorry to

cut you off uh that's pretty cool waren yeah Junior Gilliam I got a feeling will

I got a feeling L Panella ate more your cooking yeah Will Rand managed the

Orioles one year for 54 it was a met guy too yeah we're seeing you know Steve

Sachs Davey Lopes um you know did M babby me him play some second base

remember him he was a start out at least a short I think we can agree it's Jackie yeah yeah you know I'm gonna pick Jackie

unless there was someone that was even close and and there really wasn't Willie Randol would have probably been my

second choice after all right I'm not gonna go by number Junior gilam Junior Gilliam I that's another great name y

I'm not g to go by number I'm just going around the horns so we'll go to Short Stop next uh six in your score book but

this was uh this was an interesting one um I did not want to choose this

player I still don't want to choose the player I'm thinking about just leaving it blank uh but but I gotta admit uh

jeters which says a lot because I think cheater's overrated and the fact that the Dodgers and the Yankees neither one

of them have had a short stop better than Derek Jeter um is amazing um you

know you can say Peewee re and Def defensively and you know maybe some of

the social you know things he did on and off the field uh but no it's Jeter and

shortstop yeah I think a lot of people know what I think about Derek Jeter you

know I also think he fits the overrated category you know he kind of you know

gets a lot of credit for being the starting Yankee shortstop goodlooking guy played on some teams with loaded you

know he wasn't like carried him by himself but let's be real he he's he's a

Hall of Famer he's got a lot of rings and he madees some big time plays in those World Series he appeared in that

we remember and so I you got to give it to Jeter Peewee you know if you looked

at just his numbers you you definitely wouldn't argue him over Jeter but he's

more than his numbers so you know he's in the mix but you can't you can't

justify Rees over Jeter and and with a straight face so I too went I too went

Jeter and listen I'm not a Jeter guy but credit we we're credits yeah all right

let's move on from Jeter um enough of him uh on to another one that we don't

want to talk about um Third Base I want to see what the chat room says before

before we uh vomit in our mouth a little bit uh I mean if you look at the history

there's Nettles we talked about that who I grew up with that he was one of my you know he wasn't my favorite mson was but

Nettles was uh I liked him a lot yeah um we we talked about the fact that you had

a little bit of Adrien bele for part of his career not long enough not long enough Ron say a longtime Dodger the

penguin right he's you know he he's at least in the conversation but but

without being the baseball police I I think we uh got got to go with A-Rod at

B yeah I picked them I actually I hated this pick even more than the Jeter pick

because it's hard to argue against Jeter you can make an argument more of an argument if you had someone a close

second with A-Rod I didn't pick way un uh Charlie Hayes Scott broches and Wade

bogs bogs did BS wasn't there long enough I almost felt like you know kind

of brought in to get him a ring and that sort yeah I I don't know I I I don't

view L way boogs as a Yankee I know he was there more than a year um Tony

Fernandez I view him more as blue J A Toronto Blue J um Guerrero or or as OJ

used to say Pedro Guerrero um when he did sideline yeah H

there's the famous call uh you can look it up on YouTube um but uh just YouTube

just search OJ Simpson Guerrero that's all I'll say it's um right after you

don't already know yeah not right now if you don't know if you don't know it's interesting if you do know you know what

I'm talking um you know SE was was in there but you know and then I thought

did a was A-Rod in New York long enough and he was he was I was trying yeah I

see I was trying to disqualify A-Rod right I was trying to but I couldn't yeah I can't put nles over A-Rod and I

don't like A-Rod I don't like A-Rod John is not going for Saturday Night Live

staff by the way yeah I do others but I'm not gonna do

them uh and we're we're medles doesn't get enough credit I think that can be true and he can still be nowhere near

aod yeah yeah he's not the same player as aod and I know we can talk the

HGH he was aod was good before he it's the whole Barry Bond stuff he was good

before he used can we just admit that A-Rod annoys us he is annoying he is

annoying he's one of my least favorite you know we and maybe that's a future show right our least favorite baseball

players of all time there you go there I don't even know if I have a good reason I juston makes I'm gonna ruin that list

a little bit because a-rod's on that list for I just don't I'm not a fan off the field on the field I think he's a

premadonna pretty boy obviously we can get into the whole per performance

enhancers to do a whole show on that but not my not my favorite D all right so

you ready to go to the Outfield yeah I think this where it gets tricky man I think we gotta try to try to finish with

three if we can I'm gonna probably mention eight but I'll I'll narrow I'll tell you who my three narrow to three

and to be fair I have a DH maybe we should give our dhes first just get them

out of the way all right I'm going regie I'm going Reggie Jackson at DH wow I I I

don't think he's defensively as good as some of the other choices um and he's

all power he he's he's Mr October put him in the middle of the lineup and uh

yeah I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna DH Reggie my DH is gonna surprise you he didn't

make my top three he didn't make my top three now that I came down to it but

want to put him in there man mookie bets that's a that's a that's a excellent

call I'm going mie bet is my DH he didn't make my top three outfielders but

see and mook's a great defensive player yep and he you know he can play multiple

positions so I'm says to DH Frank Howard for the Dodgers how good were Howard's

years with the Dodgers on that ruin um all right so so

you have mooki as D so so we're moving those guys out of the Outfield so I move Reggie out you moved mooki out and now

we're talking outfielders um I'm gonna I'm gonna say that this year's World

Series doesn't quite count because we made our list before first pitch so no

Otani on our list Otani was on my honorable mention list but he hasn't been there long enough you can't that's

why that's why I just made up a rule and voided him yeah yeah five six years we

could and we did this again he probably's on he makes it listen we do this in a week he might be on there all

right let me let me let me start with the with with the chalk one I think mantle yeah you got it man he's you know

especially when the criteria 50 on that eliminates you know dagio uh you know

so bab roof yeah I had a mind plank so that takes them two out of the equation

I think it has to be Mano um you know you you think Yankees from 50 up he's

the first guy you you'll probably think of forget position right and he plays Outfield and uh the way he played

Outfield that probably shortened his career with with the bad knees and and and all that so man and you think World

Series you think Manel too right uh and so you think of all the classic cards uh

for in in the in the late 50s and 60s is there a more famous card for the

generation than his 52 tops yeah no that's between the Wagner and the griffy

I think the most famous card yeah yeah it's so man man's the chalk pick there's

nothing much else we could say I think the other two get interesting all right so so go ahead well you know you you put

them as your DH man I I think you got when you think of all the World Series heroics and there you know anytime you

see a World Series highlight reel right it's you see multiple Reggie Jackson

moments but you see him batting I know but it they named the month after the

guy Mr October right like you know so I

I'm not even Defender I was a big fan of Reggie as a kid and then as I got older

and kind of saw how he was and what he was about some of the things he said how he treated Thurman when I got more into

the the storyline rather than the on the field stuff I became less of a Reggie

fan but he remains that that one of the first cards I ever pulled out of a pack that's started it and so maybe there's a

little sentimental there but you can't you can't argue with the postseason

success he had you know the one thing that hurt him in my mind was how many teams he played for you could you could

you know Orioles Ace Yankees and Angels and you know well this goes on um that

almost that made me really think about putting them in but you can't think of the Fall classic and not have Reggie

Jackson or the Yankee as as part of that and um so he he made my top three uh we

both have him on our list we have at different positions but there's no doubt Reggie Jackson's on any World Series or

top list uh for the Yankees and the Dodgers uh mooki says KT Gibson hit one

of the great home runs of all time doesn't make the cut well we talked about this before the show and I'm gonna

put up Ruben's comment because this ties into it Ruben says that his list is players who actually played in the World

Series with the team not just played for the team in their career and and we have some overlap there a lot of the guys

have played for you know not everybody I mean maddingly f you know famously

didn't uh but he might be the only one on my list though that I that would yeah

I was about to say the v um but that being said I think we we should give a shout out to Kirk Gibson

Earl Hyer Tino Martinez I mean guys

Scott Roes I mean he became a yeah a postseason Legend you know so shout out

to shout out to to those guys um but the Gibson home runs a different level yeah

but that's a that might be best moment but I don't think he gets in his best Outfield you know I mean so my next

outfielder is Duke Snider yeah we both I I changed mine it I had three names for

this last spot I had three names for this last spot

Duke Schneider who I I went with um Ricky Henderson and and Dave Winfield

good calling Ricky Henderson by the way and I think for what you know it's gonna be weird saying this because I just gave

Reggie Jackson a pass I didn't put Reggie in the top three or Ricky in the

top three because I you know I don't know if I view him solely like a Yankee he you know what I mean I think of him

more as an a yeah and I think of him first as an a

then maybe Yankee then with the you know it was with the the Padres the Blue Jays

I know he he played a little bit even with the Mets uh briefly and kind of

became a journeyman so to speak Hammer at at the end um and uh so yeah he

played for the Dodgers so I just he he made my honorable mention I just couldn't get him in there I put Winfield

ahead of him uh um and uh you know then you had uh who was my other guy oh um

Rick Ricky Winfield but I went with Schneider uh just all the home runs then

the Duke of flat you know they call him the Duke of Flatbush for a reason so um

I'm gonna go but you could have made a case you could make a case for Ricky Henderson two one Yankees by the way

standing just went deep so you know I wanted to go Winfield I just I didn't know if he was there long enough and I

couldn't put him over Schneider it wasn't there wasn't enough discrepancy either way so I went with the hometown

I'm wearing the shirt right says Brooklyn I went with the Brooklyn pick so good pick actually and good names

I'll admit the Ricky Henderson slipped my radar um I think there was not a lot of postseason for Ricky yeah I mean you

can even you know Roger Maris Maris absolutely uh is the name I put Aaron

judge on the list I know it breaks the rule that we' just said but I think he's

so dominant that he probably needs to play One World Series and he's on and he

would qualify for this list well he's in it now you know what I mean so yeah

Manny being Manny I would take him for Cleveland uh not not and you mentioned

him you mentioned him before we went live I think of him even more as a Red

Sox than even an Indian let alone a Dodger thank you mookie that's how I

roll in fact I said that to John before the show we were talking about something I said I said let's just break the rule

uh Bernie Williams uh yeah he's definitely Jazz guitarist list no he you

know he had some he was really big in I mean he had a he was he was a very good

player for a long time and he had a really good my memory servy right he was good in the postseason he was a a

different player in the postseason he definitely has to be mentioned I didn't write him down but I won't argue with

him being mention you're not going to be in that top three when you combine both teams um but Bernie Williams definitely

underrated Yankee alfield let me word it like that definitely uh caught me off

guard so my final three are judge Duke Snyder and Mickey man yeah I went with I

went with Reggie Duke and and and Mano and I made bets uh my DH mookie bets is

probably the one I regret the most leave it off yeah he quiet he does it pretty quietly but the guy is one heck of a

player uh Warren says he loves Bernie Williams uh I PC him and I hate the

Yankees did I mention that that's saying something that would be like me collecting Ravens cards somebody you

should uh M says Bernie is a great call some alltime post season numbers yeah

real quick we'll just Sidetrack for like a minute if I collected a Ravens player let's see how well you know me yeah what

what what player would I collect who went to Syracuse that we had no no I'll

even narrow down he's a current I don't know that's a great question I assum if you don't get this and then I tell you

you're gonna be like oh man how did I not get this all right H Justin Tugger

really yeah I I didn't have I don't have on my fantasy this year which is the

first year in a long time but he's always he's always my fantasy kicker um

and listen if I have to like a Ravens dude got to be a kicker it's not going to be a linebacker it's not gonna a

running back or quarterback although I will tell you this my son who's a

big-time Steeler fan as well loves Lamar Jackson well Lamar's pretty good he's going for his third MVP if you haven't

heard yeah and I I have a man crush and another quarterback in our division

whose name is Joe burough he's on my fantasy team but I can't decide what he's uh what he really is yeah okay he's

on mine too and he's been starting over Mahomes more times than than the other way all right let's get back to baseball

all right let's talk pitchers you want to start with closers yeah I mean you

got there's only one guy here man well I think there's I think there's two well

may who's gosage deserves to be talked about those are the two names those are

the two names I wrote man Rivera and gosage on this mariana rivera it's

Rivera but I did write cage but Rivera is the pick uh mooki says let's get this back

on track we did moo pretty quick for us actually we spun into a whole new realm

I want to talk about Justin Tucker some more um and Deion Sanders played for the

Ravens and Yankees that's the stat of the night that is true um okay so

closers were both taking mariana rivera over goose is that yeah no nobody else

well Eric G had one of the great seasons ever as a Dodger he did but he didn't do

it enough you know Rivera did it year in and year out and so that it's Rivera and

then you can make an argument for who's second with probably 10 10 people John

Wetland yeah right you know who was before and um I don't know um Sparky L

Sparky L you know but it's R and then there's a whole eight drop staff I mean

he's in a he's in an air by himself I mean he's imp pleed KHAK he's in a polo guys there's no way not to pick him yeah

92 Bowman I lost I spent a lot of money there too um all right starting rotation I

think there's one chalk one I think kofax yeah kofax is is Def I I went with

a fiveman rotation and three honorable mentions so kofax is obviously he's the

first name I wrote down I'm not if that's Larry Larry I think has been

peing at my page here so I'll let you go well there's two two other ones on my

list right so let's just Ford and Dale I have you know the first three I have

written down are kofax Ford and drid yep those are the first three on on my list

I'm not even necessarily saying that's the order I'd rank him in but I got a feeling I would since I wrote him down

kind of like that uh you know I think here's where it gets interesting I

wanted to check I just for forgot somebody and I want to see if if the years match up go ahead this is you

don't need to wait for me all right there's a so my fourth guy is is you

know Clayton Kershaw yep I that was he was on my list and I know he's kind of

struggled when you get to this time of year and he's he's not going to pitch this time of year this year he hasn't

had great postseason success but he's one of the alltime Dodger great pitcher

you know so um I had Don Nukem is is the one I was double- cheing didn't make my

list man yep mooki says how about all lefties go with Fernando kofx Whitey

Andy pet and Tommy John yeah there's Andy pet Andy petett did make my Jim B

honorable mention honorable mention and then I I got doc good on the list I

don't I don't um that's more of a Lifetime Achievement Award I think yeah

he wasn't on the Yankees long enough um you want my fifth guy I think we're forgetting this guy how about Don

Sutton good call I think he's overrated I I do but he's a Hall of Famer 300 wins

um to me heavy Dodgers a little bit like the Harold Baines of of pitchers yeah

he's still he's still great pitcher yeah Clemens wasn't there long enough you know Longevity if we're gonna say uh

A-Rod how many years was Clemens in New York oh what three four five I mean was

it don't let us keep you up John yeah well we're talking about Roger I'm not

if you can't tell I'm not a Roger Clemens dude right when you think of Clemens you think of what first well

steroid Red Sox well that too but but team wise all right you got me D won't

argue that you think of Red Sox right and I Mark will probably agree with me

David con I kind of forgot David con um six years in New York for Clemens yeah

not I don't know I don't view Clem I know he I know he won there I don't view him as a Yankee pitcher and I I know he

was a Yankee but for this list I don't view him really is a Yankee pitcher

Johnny Padres you know I know Greg Maddox again how long you were there has

the factor I'd puts or the Braves but not the Dodgers yeah and you know that's

why Don Sutton made my list man look at his Dodgers career numbers Sutton's got

good numbers but does he break does he break that rotation and how about

Fernando how about Fernando Valen man he was so good for like two to three years

I know and he pitched 19 yeah Alli Reynolds is a good pick Alli Rey we

forget guys right you because they're overshadowed by monsters on the mound right your Fords ddes kofax and we

forget you know noo you know no had aou my five my five were kofax for Dale

Kershaw Sutton with my honorable mentions being Hershiser and pet it I

actually had seven eight not eight had eight outfielders down post 1950 when

did yeah dazzy Vance dazy Vance was was decade before yeah he was I think he

pitched into 40s um I don't know that's a pretty pretty good teams uh in the World Series yeah man you wouldn't throw

the as I say you wouldn't throw whatever you decide on some of the Fringe guys you wouldn't throw them out of bed these

these would be world championship teams in in their old run Mel St was in he

made my team as the pitching coach yeah he he he was in my in my own private

discussion in my head oh yeah that shame on shame on me for that one sh I how

long how long was he a yane though that that's where I I long enough yeah good

job good pull Ruben good pull that would that would finish that that would be my fifth I agree with you on the first four

and this would be my f yeah I like catfish yeah I guess you could you could

take something out maybe put him in I'm not going to change my list you could say that yeah Hershiser if we're talking

postseason performance you know definitely is on the list but not and the way Larry spelled Hershiser he's now

German I don't know if he was German uh prior but he's German now yeah and and

where card man just makes me a little uncomfortable um herzer put the team on

his back in 88 yeah without absolutely without a doubt um that would have be

arguably maybe the best season as a pitcher it's in that convers five years is Yankee for catfish man I i' I'd love

to know I could call it up but we're running out of time I'd love to know what his sa young rankings were he might

have won didn't he win at least one but I'd love to know how yeah Lefty Gomez

yeah I think he did a lot of his damage before I'm not saying he didn't pitch into the 50 but I think he was more of a

error but I could be uh John Candelaria didn't he pitch for the Yankees for a

cup of coffee man man you pulled that one from the I don't know where that

came from where is that did a couple good years with the Pirates you know did John Candelaria slip you a $20 bill some

he SLI me he slipped me something I'm not sure um Catfish Hunter finished

second place sa young in 75 he he never won one with the Y y with the Yankees

all right I thought he was more dominant with the Yankee ear I thought he yeah I I that's when Paul dominating the I'm

not saying he shouldn't be talked about I didn't I didn't consider him when I

made this I totally forgot him Ricky Henderson and mookie bets were probably my three biggest that I just overlooked

yeah I mean that you're talking about two legendary teams dude like we can make a B team we can make a B team that

would probably be a World Series favorite that's how that's how great this list is you know absolutely

especially if we include the steroids yeah um and catfish I won a saong 74 I

knew I knew he won at least one yeah I knew Jim Balon yep and the advantage of

having an author on the team as well and he can tell all your secrets to everybody yeah you think anybody would

talk to him in the locker room anymore yeah I I I know of them he didn't make

my list I don't know if it was the book deal which doesn't bother me but I don't know I don't you know I don't know how

long he was a y I don't know I just didn't I don't know I I look at Andy P

yeah I looked at Andy p as more um and I think Clemens is and I boy do I dislike

Clemens but clemens's numbers with New York were were pretty dominant they were good they were good but I don't think he

was there long enough for I thought it was I thought it was like six years thought that's what somebody said maybe

I'm wrong no five years I thought yeah um all right well hey man 50 big ones is

that what John candary gave you to be mentioned in these list hey uh you know

it's a TTM request kind I don't man what I don't

even are you sure he played for the Yankees that had to be real brief I'm gonna look it up now yeah let's go fact

checking you like this is a presidential debate I don't think John kandelia was a

Yankee and if he was man how long was that cuz I don't even remember him I

remember him I don't remember him as okay 1988 he went 13- seven for the Yankees

that was his only year and 89 he went three and three before he moved on to

Montreal yeah man that was a any he pitch for the Dodgers in 91 and 92 yeah

toward yeah I I think a Candyman I think first of the Pirates and then he just

wore so many hats I don't even remember those Shan you know I don't remember them what is your limit on time to be

considered you know I I don't know I didn't set a rule for myself I'm almost

thinking like what with guys I left off I'm thinking I I kind of was a seven-year guy you had to be on a team

Unwritten in my mind or UNM minded UNM minded in your mind yeah if if there is

such I think that means it's uh getting near your bedtime yeah get older man I'm

telling you speaking speaking of 50 and getting older tomorrow Saturday the 26th

my wife is 50 years old tomorrow so episode 50 tonight her 50th birthday uh

tomorrow and Ruben saying five years is a full regular contract he's just saying so make sure your wife resigns and gives

you that fiveyear option and keeps you on till she's 55 yeah I'm on a 10day

contract I've been married for 20 years I live on a 10-day contract it just keeps getting renewed right

that day nine is a sweat every time I never know which way it's gonna go you you go into maner office and you

wait for the talk I stay with the crew and you gotta bring the notebook

yeah all right where am I going coach seriously buddy glad to do 50 uh this

this was fun glad for the chat room as always uh you guys

new lady L happy birthday to Lady Newman somebody once called her not tonight but

I don't even remember the circumstances or like Mrs sports card Nation I thought

that was I thought that was funny like if I said that to her she I don't know what kind of look I get but it wouldn't

be it wouldn't be a thumbs up or a smiley so all right say good night John

good night John [Music]

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