Card Mensches E49 Post Season Legends and Collectability

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www.gc.com hi I'm Danny BL and I'm John Newman welcome to card menes hello and
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welcome to episode 49 of card Menches also known as welcome to episode 49 of card Menches where I just duplicate
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everything uh what's up Reuben thank you for uh staying up late tonight we have a
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uh special 10 pm Eastern Edition I uh I'll admit I had some family uh family
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obligations that I couldn't miss but uh I was happy to make those and happy to
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be here tonight what's going on my friend if you were in the Italian mob your name would be Danny two times I
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think it would be Danny Tu chins but you know yeah we're doing some late night I feel like we should have like we should
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be on NBC replacing like Jimmy Fallon or one of those guys uh but uh no hey
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better late than never we might have a little bit lighter crowd just because of the time so you know we can catch us
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after the fact as always on audio and uh no I wish was I'm not even watching
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sports I I spent some time with my family tonight Danny because the next two days I'm going to be home very
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little with two card shows so I had to I had to check in uh tonight and I like
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you said you had some family stuff so here we are though episode 49 almost almost a big five uh episode we gotta
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come up with something for uh for the next one if anybody has any ideas what we should do for 50 let us know yeah and
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uh you know and and so today's you know again this is one you came up with but it's it's timely and relevant right
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postseason uh Legends I like to say right you know the collectibility of
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them and we're going to talk about some guys that definitely are collectible and now we're going to talk about some other
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postseason Legends maybe not so much you kind of there you know I guess they if this was music they'd be the one hit
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wonders right we know we know that song we know that moment but we're not really
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fans of the band like we'll buy the single but we won't buy the whole album
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and that applies uh to the Hobby uh today and I'll let you you know expand
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on that but that's how I kind of look at this topic well it's funny I look at it definitely like you do like there's
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certain players who um their Legend their hobby love has been raised by
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their postseason play there's other guys who even though they've had a moment in the postseason
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um you know David freeze not to pick on him but his cards uh what do you see my
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list do you see my list here no I just remembered his name after like three days I was so excited um but he his
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cards aren't worth you know anything um and I think a lot of that will be
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Regional um you know like in Baltimore we will remember Tito Landrum in the 83
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playoffs so I think a lot of those one hit gonna be that I've probably never
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heard of or haven't thought about him forever um although shout out to Ray Knight um and you know so we we'll we'll
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see uh want to say hello to John look at that that's something new they put the
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logo up there now on streamyard how about that I'm telling you look how fancy it
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is um mooki wants to know did he miss no
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but I'm wearing my Syracuse this is I don't know if you can see it it's a Syracuse metch uh shirt I'm wearing this
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is the I live two miles from the uh Stadium NBT Bank Stadium going to
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Syracuse Mets uh play I'm a media member so I get to go to all the games I want
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for free and uh some of those Syracuse Mets are now on the postseason roster of
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the big boy club uh enjoying some postseason success so uh that's very
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cool viento remember early in the year when you were talking about uh Louise and
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now they yeah I like him I got to see him obviously a lot here solid ball
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player and uh you know they're loaded they're loaded in the infield some guys are going to be exiting stage left I
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think we're going to see I don't want to make this the Met show but I think we're gonna see Brett batty probably moved in
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the off season and probably um uh Whata call it Jeff mcneel will probably be on
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on the outs uh looking at in amongst other guys probably for some pitchers that they def definitely need
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so yeah I tell you he's uh he's become quite a spark plug player and he had a
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good year uh here in Syracuse and uh you know if you're Brett Bady the B the
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writing's kind of on the wall you're seeing all these other guys kind of get called up um and and you're not he did
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he didn't struggle when he got sent down like he played fairly well he had moments of struggle but like if you look
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at his overall numbers they were they were they were good it's just I don't I think I'm going to give I'm going to
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defend him a little bit in that everybody takes a different path to how long it takes them to adjust to the well
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I like Brett batty I just think it's not going to happen in in with the Mets I think he's gonna go somewhere else where
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that is uh I don't know where that winds up being but I think he he makes a big Club in a different city you know or
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with a different team I mean he could be a Yan you um but uh you know uh we'll see but uh they're load you know we got
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another guy who's who's hurt right now Ronnie Mauricio who I really like too y
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jet Williams like their Farms I tell you what between the Orioles and Mets they got there's two heck of two heck of uh
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Farms right there absolutely and I'm still not over the 69 World Series so we
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you know next year we could be a World Series favorites Orioles and Mets who
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knows I'd sign up for that i' listen Orlando are in the World Series I'll sign up I'll sign up for listen and
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everyone's heard me on this show my other shows you know I'm a I'm a pessimistic Mets fan like I always think
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the worst I always expects that's just a Mets fan yeah well
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I always expect the worst and hope for the best and I'm I'm not gonna lie about it I'm not I'm I'm definitely not gonna
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say I told you so because I didn't tell you so I didn't think they were going to get in the playoffs and I sure as heck
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didn't think they were going to do any kind of damage and yet uh here we are you guaranteed me they would choke at
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the end I would have bet my almost bet my house on it not quite uh but uh you
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know pitching starting pitching stepped up some timely hitting you got probably the Envy if it wasn't for Otani you got
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the MVP uh in Francisco Lindor who you know carried him in in uh this series
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here this past series with the Phillies and that last game that was looking like
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going the full distance and then one swing at the bat you know Edwin Diaz made it interesting as he always does at
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the end I'm not a huge Edward's d i me and my son were watching a game and I'm like I almost wish they let Peterson
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just finish this thing out and sure enough he walks the first two guys and I thought it was gonna be right so oh
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Ruben's comment uh made me remember to wish everybody a happy yum Kipper a
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happy New Year good y all those things should you celebrate if not I wish you
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peace peace and happiness in the year upcoming uh for me so uh just spre
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spread the a little love and a little Vibes and time to uh remember we're
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we're all specs on this big planet here and just to love love one another and enjoy that we get to talk cards that
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that's my piece for the night um so let's talk about uh why the Mets are not
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going to win it well I mean well they're P I'm not listen I'm not sold on they're
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starting pitching they they've had guys step up but how long can you do that right so we'll see listen I didn't think
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they'd get this far and and here they are so I'll watch each game as that I can and uh and and hope for the best
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right uh I hate to say it but regardless of what happens now they're sort of playing with house money Danny uh you
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know I don't I don't think even even the most optimistic of Mets fans I don't think uh would you know had them going
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to the World Series like realistically and yet they're one series away now so
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we'll see right you got to win four games now not two or not three it goes
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to four and uh you know what whoever they get right it's going to be um you
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know it's going to be a tough out uh I think you know but anything can happen at this can I Orlando who I do have the
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utmost respect for but I'm gonna disagree with this I think that's only G to be good for the new y for New York I
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would be bored I'd rather see the Dodgers and the Yankees nothing personal
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than the Mets and the Yankees I think that's the better World Series matchup well I want to see the Mets versus
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anyone that's that's where I'm going fair enough um John needs a Grimace
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costume well I just need to paint myself purple I think I got the right I think I
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got the right figure I just got to the complexions got to be purple so uh I
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know but you're an honorary r we appreciate you showing up every week uh
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love loving mookie because did you see mook's comment yeah the grimus comment
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uh is hysterical cter says anybody but the Dodgers interesting I go for I'll go
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for that I'll go for that I figured you'd be anybody but the Braves and once they were gone you'd be happy yeah I
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don't you know I root for the Mets I don't so much root against other teams necessarily there's there's obviously
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teams I like more than others but with the still alive I just you know at this
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point Beggars can't be choosers as the saying goes so we can't pick opponents anymore it's just how it falls so um you
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know I hope they get back by the next opponent they're in the World Series I'll be pleasantly surprised and uh you
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know you get to the World Series right I you know if you would have told me the Mets were making the World Series in
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2024 obviously I would have signed up for that uh any it's eight days a week so you would you what I was on yeah I
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would ask anyone who mentioned that what they were doing you know and um you know
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probably I have some naron I could have administered so to bring him back down
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to reality but uh you know here we are right uh maybe I just keep using reverse
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psychology and say hey I don't see them winning and they just keep proving me wrong um let's get into the topic for
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tonight um John uh tug mcgr says you gotta believe I I and I do I do to to
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not as much as tug used to I'll just say that but you know what when they won the first uh round against the Brewers I
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think I went on my social medias and used that tug mcra you know famous quote
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and uh you know I'll continue to use it after they win though I think it's easier to to brag after you win a series
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then before like I know the Mets too well to claim victory before it actually happen
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like they could get swept here uh I don't predict that but that could happen so you've said that I think every series
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all year when we've talked I'm gonna keep doing it because whatever it is I'm taking credit for this I'm wearing the
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same underwear from the Brewer series um that was the April Brewer series by the
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way yeah so so I'm using a lot of cologne and body spray and what up there
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you go all right our topic tonight is postseason Heroes Legends their
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collectibility what does the hobby think and I'm going to start off the bat with
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I think there's like three categories of guy there's the ones whose careers were helped by it you know helped by what
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they did in the postseason and I think their Legend might have been inflated a little bit maybe the hobby loves them a
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little bit um and I'm GNA use as my example for that Derek G Derek G on my
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list without a couple plays in the postseason is looked at as an above
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average shortstop not a first ballot 100% or whatever he got Hall of Famer I
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think that's because of the success he had in the postseason and I and I'll go back and I'll use my David freeze
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example of somebody that had success but it was not enough to do anything to their collectibility but jeters I think
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has been much more collectible um because of what he's done in the postseason I agree made my list but
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here's the thing I'm I'm going knock off a bunch of guys right here you can say that about a lot of Yankees right I got
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a lot of Yankees that Legends are bigger because of rings on their fingers or Pro
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you know you could go from Lou Garrick Babe Ruth Mickey Mano Yogi Bearer Whitey
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Ford Jeter Rivera right just that postseason probably forgetting somebody
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um but all those guys because of all the the Rings right right their Legends are
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bigger championship rings make Legends bigger Reggie Jackson you know they name
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the month after well I agree with you but I'm gonna push back a little bit because Mickey Manel Joe de magio Yogi
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Bara those guys their talent stood they could have played for the for the Expos
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or the Marlins and it wouldn't have mattered uh they they they would yeah you're right Jeter was not that level of
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player yeah and the postseason bumped him up I I agree I think Yogi barer too
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I think Yogi barer is a great catcher but I think he's viewed even better than
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he actually is because you know he has like he he couldn't put rings on one hand he need two hands to hold all the
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and he had a good postseason career he had a great regular season career I think he's viewed higher than his he
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actually is you know what I mean like and again he's a Hall of Famer I'm not saying he's not a Hall of Famer I'm just
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saying he's revered even more because of all those rings and postseasons the the
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strikeouts were so were such a big deal when he played about how much he struck out without having that kind of that
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postseason magic in his b back pocket to remind people what he can do I think the
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strikeouts would have been a bigger deal in his career and now you don't talk about now we don't talk about strikeouts
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at all uh Don Larson mookie says lived off his perfect uh game uh uh for 50
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years yeah no doubt about it Don larsson's somebody who's perfect game in the World Series I think has elevated
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them in the hobby I I I think you know maybe not a lot they're not one of the
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great Yankees of all time you know but Larson definitely I think has been
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helped by the perfect game what do you think oh yeah I mean he's not a Hall of Famer but I think he's talked about on
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on on that that one nine inning performance right and uh from R Ruben I
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want to get to because he's on my list right uh the 91 World Series You Know
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Jack Morris is a Hall of Famer but it's a great Point here by Ruben did that series get him in and and it's hard not
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to say it's hard to say no he pitched on three days rest in game seven just for
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those that don't know whether you like Jack Morris or you don't it pitched on three days rest in game seven and not
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only pitched on three days rest in game seven went 10 innings in a z00 game before they eventually won one nothing
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and pitched the whole game himself and that's just like Paul bunan stuff if you
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ask me and yeah I think I'll be honest with you I think that definitely got him
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a few more votes uh to get through the doors of of Cooperstown and whether you
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think Jack mois should or shouldn't be in I don't care who what side did that how you fall that that is one of the the
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Great greatest alltime pitching performance in World Series and I watched that game and like he kept
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coming out EV every inning and as a former High School pitcher actually in
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91 I had just kind of pitched my last year in high school and this guy keeps
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coming out and I'm like how many innings are they G on three days rest how many his arm is gonna fall off and you know
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guys usually are not that effective on three days rest and you get five or six Innings if you're lucky he went 10 of
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shut out ball was striking out people and literally said I'm not giving up any runs we just need one run get it soon
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please uh they got it in the 10th they got it in the 10th inning and probably
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one of the greatest that I seen live I wasn't in the stadium but watching and
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just as a 19yearold kid High School pitcher just was in awe of how and you
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know he wasn't a young guy anymore at that point he was yeah I mean he was on
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the back nine of his career and um you know same thing with with Kirby Pucket
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in that series that that that's an alltime uh series uh you know right
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there with with with the twins and uh you know so yeah it's crazy stuff and
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and and there's a lot of guys on this list you know I
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Orlando Orlando agreed with you on the yogi Bea that he's got 10 rings and he
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managed the pitchers he he himself though was not the best catcher or best player no and we can put a few catchers
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ahead of him right and again not that be is a slouch um but uh he's not when we
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talk about best catchers of all time he's not he's not usually mentioned right so uh but when we talk about the
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Rings that's what gets him in the conversation right it's the Bill Russell conversation yeah and I I get it and uh
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you know and Jack Morris I I actually think he should be the hall but there are some people that that would you say
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that if there wasn't for that World Series game Welly that's a great question it would be it would be harder
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for me to say yes let me let me I know that's a kind of a copout answer but I think that that performance that laid in
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his career on three days I mean that's that's like Disney script stuff dude
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yeah you know that's that's that's why I'm asking that's that's our topic tonight yeah sure that adds to the
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legend right that adds to the that get you that get you in I'm sure
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that got him excuse me more votes so and there's a few guys you know real quick I
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want to clean up the Mets Hall of Fame here mooki says yog be it's a great Mets Hall of Famer uh Ruben says so so is
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Warren span Ricky Henderson and Richie Ashburn we're we're we're doing the uh
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all end of their career with the Mets uh yeah we might as well throw Willie Mays
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in there uh oh yeah Willie yeah great Mets Hall of Famer uh Ruben does talk
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about Jack Morrison says five times uh he finish in the top five in Sai Young award voting during his career yeah he
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was a he was an Excell very good he's he's in he's in the small room of the Hall of very good
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and during his error man he was a big game pitcher he you know when you know that question that gets ass you have to
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win one game of act and of whatever year you're in uh you know who do you want on
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the mound his his name was mentioned a lot when that question was asked and that's probably one of the biggest
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compliments you can get when you're pitcher when your name's mentioned like we need one game to win who do you want
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on the mound and a lot of times that answer was Jack Morris well I I'll throw
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back a couple guys on my list who I think their postseason reputation adds to their Legend and I know you're a fan
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of both these guys Bob Gibson and Sandy Kofa if they can I give out some stats
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please go for it so Kofa he won two World Series MVPs had a career erra in
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the world series of 0.95 with a 42% strikeout rate meaning
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ridiculous 42 42% of the batters that got in the Box during the World Series
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play went back to have a seat on the bench without putting the ball in play not quite 50% but pretty darn close
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4.2 out of every 10 batters couldn't put a ball in in that's more than one an
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inning and Gibson Gibson where let me find it because he he was seven and two
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lifetime in the World Series 1.89 erra 0.89 whip in an 81 Innings pitched he he
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had 92k he won two World Series MVPs himself 1964 in
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1967 and again they were the answers to many of play you know like who do you
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want on the mound during that error uh when you need one game to win win a
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title and Gibson and kofax were the answer for that and so that added to their Legend especially when you look at
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kofax whose career was shorter uh you know he needed those kind of stats and
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and you know just legendary performances to to add to his uh his resume you know
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we'll talk about let's talk about some pitching performances and then I I'll mention a couple guys and be quiet
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Madison bombarder in 2014 uh you know pitch 52.2 innings in
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the postseason did that hurt the rest of his career yeah and I think he he got a
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paycheck a nice paycheck for that but yeah I think that hurt his arm yeah and he's not a Hall of Famer but he went 4-
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one with a 1.03 eay he made his name uh in 2014 with that post season run
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including the title you know another guy or Hershiser right not a Hall of
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Famer yeah yeah three in the same year that he had the 59 consecutive scoreless
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inning streak now this is the same year 1988 if that wasn't good enough he he
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won the World Series went three and0 with a 1.06 uh erra in the World Series so it
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wasn't like he you know he he start letting runs up in the World Series he Z
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was 1.06 uh in 1988 postseason so just
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probably 88 or Hershiser 1988 season is probably one of the best pitching
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seasons ever now he's not a Hall of Famer but it's one of the legendary pitching seasons ever thrown out from
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the mound by I I think people confuse the fact that just because you're not in the Hall of Fame doesn't mean you
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weren't great in part of your career and and and you know a Hall of
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Fame is an overall career but guys have great years over and over where they
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play at a Hall of Fame level maybe for a year um it's just not their whole career
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I want to throw out another name from that 88 series I think Kurt Gibson will be signing autographs for the rest of
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his life for that home run yeah again that was and I watched that live as it
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happened you know in front of my TV set right and you know the the the call
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itself with with book you know and the dude's hobbling up to the plate he weren
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even he wasn't even supposed to play you got one of the best relievers in the game at the time and Dennis Eckersley
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who was making everyone else look s silly it was such a a mismatch on paper
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everyone in the stands thought so people at home thought so Dennis Eckersley
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thought so maybe in the back of even Kirk Gibson's mind he thought so I don't
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know but we all remember what happened and it was like the natural if you ever
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seen the movie The Natural I it just it had that feeling the only thing missing was that ball hitting like a light a
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light stand in the Outfield and and all the Sparks uh flying down um but just uh
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like that's a Disney movie but it wasn't a Disney it was real life and but who's
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Kurt Gibson without that moment yeah he's not Kirk Gibson he's not he's not
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yeah he's not that that is that made Kirk Gibson Finn scully's call was fantastic yeah yeah y yeah so that's
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what we're talking about so guys guys in the postseason that have kicked it up a notch you know talking about we talked
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about Jack Morris did that that performance get him in the hall how about Bill mazeroski in 1960s with the
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Pirates and the walk off that's a great because he was known a defensive player
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yeah a lot of people don't think he's a Hall of Famer but he beat the Yankees with with that walkoff and made himself
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a postseason Legend you know when whenever there's a big postseason home
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run his name tends to get mentioned again you know if that wasn't the case he he's not gonna be mentioned that much
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anymore well by the same thing would anybody ever know Bobby Thompson's name
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Bobby Thompson if he doesn't go off of Ralph branet you know
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yeah and Giants were independent the Giants that's the other thing we know
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calls from some of these moments too you know oh this is a great one orando would
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Joe Carter be Joe Carter no I will say this though he had a great 1993 he's he
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I it was a great moment he's still a great he's still a very very very very good player even without that moment but
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how often would you ever talk about Joe Carter if it wasn't for that moment yeah I yeah I agree with you I agree with you
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and that's you know a guy that's another guy when we talk about postseason home run right that's that probably maybe
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number one on the list with Kirk Gibson and mazeroski right um you know Bobby
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Thompson which wasn't a World Series um but uh you know so well yeah those
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wasn't it the playing game yeah to get to it you know but it was you know some of these others like mazeroski Carter um
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Gibson those were World Series I just wanted to add a point on Gibson here uh mooki says that uh he humed in the 84
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series too KT Gibson was an amazing athlete he played football at Michigan State yeah he could have played in the
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NFL yeah I'm not criticizing who he was as a player I'm just saying that moment
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in the 88 World Series took his career and made it memorable for a lifetime not
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not just you know for a couple years um this is another good one remember aie
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Smith yeah the last person you ever think would hit a home run yeah choked up choked up on the bat and that ball
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just kept going you know he's running around the bases he's not even expecting a home run he thinks that thing's Off
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the Wall he chug he didn't have a home run Trot he never you know yeah he was
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chugging thinking like I'm gonna get as much out of this ball off the wall as I can and the thing just kept going didn't
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make it by much right yeah there's a blast from the past right let's even go
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back further you know obviously we no one none of us watching uh were around the but you know Christie matthewson had
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11 complete games in the world series um and an 0.97 uh career World Series ER right
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just a just a amazing stat you know we don't in today's day and age we don't
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even see complete games anymore he threw he threw 11 uh and that's just uh I know
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sometimes we don't give enough love to that error so I wanted to throw him on the list Eddie Collins uh from the from
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the white sock who was one of the guys not named uh during the Black Sox Scandal uh he was he was in six World
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Series and had a career 400 average in World Series play including 1919 when he
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wasn't part of that Scandal so you know Legends of the Fall Right that way to go
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back in the way back machine um well I sometimes I think we I don't want to say forget maybe a little bit of forgetting
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but I don't think enough love to that error of of ball so Orlando brings out
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the flip side here John what happens when a guy who has a good career has a bad moment in the playoffs yeah well
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Bill Buckner's you know Orlando points out probably the poster boy uh for that
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right and you forget his whole career he had a a a very good career he wasn't
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there's people I'm not one of them but there are some people who believe me had like a hall of f Hall of Fame worthy or
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he's in in the discussion you know I I won't go that far but yeah that's uh you
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know it's unfort I mean for the Mets as a Mets fan it got me off my couch uh at
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14 years old and running around the living room like a a 14-year-old idiot
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but you know even in my 14-year-old mind after like celebrating and then they
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seen what eventually happened I re even at 14 I knew like for Buckner like
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that's going to be tough like how do you go you know back to the home fan they're gonna want to kill you or or you know
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burn you you know stick needles in you make a voodoo do like I felt bad for him
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I felt bad for him yeah I felt bad for him because I knew the Wrath he would
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face from one play from one Mis right you know this is the point people always
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forget yep wild before the before the hit yeah and you know stuff had to
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happen after that too the Mets had to get you know that wasn't the end of the game it wasn't like Buckner made the
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error and he walked into the Dugout you know as as that was the game Ender it
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kept the ending alive I I get it but more stuff had to happen which as a Mets fan thankfully it did and I you know
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even like I said even at 14 I knew the gravity of the situation as you know I
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was a player at 14 I he SP but I knew who made errors and felt terrible you
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know I'm like he made it in the biggest stage with all the lights and everyone watching and that's got to be tough like
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how do you you know how do you recover from that he did I mean it the you know he made amends with Boston at the end
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that that was nice but there was many years he was a pariah you know he was
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the Steve Bartman uh for the Red Sox I'm GNA the Cs I'm gonna update here one out
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away from the Dodgers clinching yeah you know I again just
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clinched yeah the Padre's Padre's got shut out the last two games that's that's a tough way to they had a lot of
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momentum real time I'm gonna hit you real time with this does sh Otani
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actually have more growth in his hobby love if he does something in the in
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October I think the 5050 season is is making this already epic like if if even
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if the Mets beat the Dodgers here in in in the NL uh you know CS I think Otani
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still looked at now if Otani and the Dodgers win a World Series that just adds to the lore maybe he's a Hall of
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Famer to you know this season if that happens that's what I'm saying I mean that that you know that just that's
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another layer he doesn't have yet and he's gotten he's going to be three out of four MVP and on any given day he
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could be the best pitcher in the majors you take those things but there's no no
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October success um and and that that just blows me away that there could
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still be more growth on him yeah he's young I mean he's not old no he just
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signed he just signed a double year double digit year deal with to Dodger this is the first year of that deal now
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is he going to be the same player in year 10 of that contract I don't see it
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um but they're going to get a lot of good years bar and injury and he hasn't even like you said he hasn't even
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pitched yet for the Dodgers that you know and there's some people Danny that say you know what don't pitch just hit
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you're already a legend with just a bat in your hand like don't even worry about pitching don't risk it but I think
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pitching and and I think that adds to the lore well there it's so hard to find good pitching the Dodgers like every
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other team Scramble for it and if you can put a guy on the mound who's a sa young caliber pit
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and not have it affect what he does at the plate I mean how do you turn that down yeah and listen I love I I love
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Francisco Lindor you know with a 5050 season your first year after a big
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contract lots of pressure in a bigger Market uh with with the Dodgers over the
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Angels listen I I you know I I said me and my son had this discussion any other
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year Lindor easily but on a 5050 Otani year first year in La I think he's going
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to win it unanimously and and deservedly so it's not like he's getting you know it's not it's not like he's lindor's
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getting robbed that's a huge year so and to the point of our conversation yeah it will make a
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difference yeah and and you know M's last comment here you know it makes a great point right the war we always have
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this debate with Awards right can you win a saai young if your team doesn't
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make the postseason season can you you know can you win the MVP if you're on a last place team you know it's the most
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valuable player and I I don't think any Met fan mooki myself whoever else will
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argue that Lindor was you know there was a Mets award for most valuable player he
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he'd win the Mets award this year right I just think a 5050 year which has never
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happened in all the years of Major League Baseball existing it's never been
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done you know you really did carry that team yeah in spite of in spite of Dave
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Roberts who to me is one of the worst managers in the in in the league he he's a manager that gets the least out of the
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most like you know so so wait so Dave Roberts is known for a stolen base in
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the World Series right yeah he's another yeah he's I I think he's overrated as a
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manager you and everyone in the chat room could manage that lineup to a
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postseason burth do you think his resume looks better because of that stolen base
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do you think people look play resume his overall resume when people look talk about Dave Roberts does that stolen base
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make a difference I don't think so I I think it does I think I think people will always know him for that yeah I I
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know him as someone who gets the least like they lose games and I question some
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of the games I watch some of his his decision making is questionable you know
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that lineup is loaded dude you got Betts Freddy Freeman Otani uh uh you know T Oscar Hernandez
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is very good like that team should have had a better year like than they did
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like if they had what I would perceive as a better manager they would have been even better they're heavy at the top but
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they're not deep uh Rober B The League Championship Series mooki we're talking
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about the postseason not just the World Series yeah World Series though a few extra for yes but thank you thank you
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for correcting me all kidding a said um so who David or David Ortiz is not David
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Ortiz without the Red Sox postseason agree a th% I I think he's overrated in
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general yeah I don't even know if he's really a Hall of Famer but I think his postseason got him in we talk about you
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know postseasons getting the guy in the Hall of Fame uh I think David Ortiz and
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now is's you know doing uh you know postgame analysis on on uh on TV I think
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you know I think a lot of that's from his postseason Legend uh to be uh quite
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I'm not saying he's a bad player I think he gets like you said I think he gets more credit than he's probably deserves
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because of let me ask you a question who's better player Jim to or David Ortiz in my mind it's it's tomy's the
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more consistent player right I think most people would say Ortiz because of the because of
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the the the leg of the postseason stuff yeah that's my point so he made my list
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you know Shilling Smoltz how about how about Kung I'm gonna disagree on Smoltz I
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think Smoltz had a long consist no he's a Hall of Famer I'm not I'm not saying that but he became you know famous for
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for you know postseason as both a starter and a closer and then you got
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you know how about Pablo Sandoval from 2012 three home runs uh in one game
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he had a hobby blip for for a year because of that Series yeah it came back
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down to earth when he when he did but and I was a deal I was a dealer since 1987 I remember selling Pablo sandol
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cards and almost feeling guilty like this guy is not going to be longterm like the you know I almost wanted to
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tell people you sure you want to buy these Pabo sandals you know what I mean like probably not a good idea long term
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you're just kind of catching the way but you know he when you think of Pablo
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sandal you think of you know his body shape in that 2012 uh World Series right
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in three home runs in one game right you mentioned them already David freeze Big
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G big game player with one strike away from losing right him and Albert phol in
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that series single-handedly uh won that for for St Louis and you know kudos to David freeze
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they wanted to put him in there the Cardinals Hall of Fame and he he politely and respectfully declined he
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just said he didn't have enough of a a a great career he had a great series but
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he didn't think he was worthy of the Cardinal Hall of Fame and he declined it so that's pretty silly I I'll go in and
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I didn't play um Ruben says Madison bumgardner definitely got shine in the hobby due to
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the postseason yep and and and just was pitching again 50 two innings that
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postseason right after pitching 217 he pitched
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217 in the regular season so that's almost 300 Innings uh for B for bom
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Gardner in in that year so you know that's just uh crazy got a big contract
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yeah and uh lived happily ever after never really lived up to the contract in
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my opinion uh but you got your Rick Dempsey uh was the next one on my list
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yeah you know not World Series so much but you know Edgar Martinez in 1995
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postseason you know over overshadowed even his own teammate in Ken Griffey Jr
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and uh just uh you know and he made the hall was was it that 95 postseason
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performance that maybe got him some you know he wasn't a unanimous you didn't get in unanimously so did that 95
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postseason add to Edgar's uh Legacy especially being a DH right we talk
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about our DH is worthy of getting in just because they don't play the field well you know edar Martinez you know
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although he did he did play some Third Base early in his career but that 95
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World 95 postseason I should say was like that made that made him edar
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Martinez and I think there yeah because a lot of people look at griffy on that team but Edgar is
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really the one that carried them uh especially on from the right side all year yep and you know we this goes to
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other sports I know we're talking about baseball right you know I don't Tom Brady right with all the Rings I I
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thought you know I I'll say this people might think I'm nuts pton Manning was a better quarterback you know um like
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physically yeah Brady was got had better coaching staff and and was smart maybe a
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little bit smarter in certain situations but you know I I I don't believe Tom Brady was a better quarterback than pton
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Manning pton Manning has two rings too Brady has seven and that's you know that's that's the differ I'll use my own
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guy as a Steeler fan you know I'm not even that much of a Terry Bradshaw fan like but you know he's got all the rings
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that got him a lot of notoriety uh to this day it's the only thing he has is
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the is the Super Bowls his numers suck yeah I was shocked and I was a young kid
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watching them play and not as much into the the numbers and stats as sayy they were winning but when I really like
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looked at his body of work career it was shocking you know Joe namoth Joe namoth
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threw more interceptions than touchdowns and they call him Broadway Joe he's a legend right because he played in New
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York guaranteeing a a Super Bowl victory as an underdog and then do delivering it
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right against yeah yeah that one Super Bowl made Joe namoth Joe neth and so when you
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think of Joe neth you think of two things right you think of that superbow and then you think later on it
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is yeah so so and and people buy Joe nameus cards because of those I hate to
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say it those those two movements a lot of times so we talk about the hobby
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effect right you know Patrick Mahomes is GNA be that guy who has a lot of years
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so yeah being a a league MVP one year I don't think turns your career around but
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yeah so I mean it applies to other sports too right you know again going back to the David Tyrie helmet catch
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from Eli Manning I have to mention him because he's from Syracuse University wait let me take a step back how about
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Eli Manning if he doesn't win those Super Bowls both of them I think you look at him as a much more mediocre
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quarterback yeah he's going to be in the Hall of Fame with his brother so and I
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Marino Dan Marino was probably the best quarterback without a Super Bowl ring he
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made it to the Super Bowl in his rookie year lost to the Redskins never made it
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back which is crazy listen he he had some receivers but he never had huh lace
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is out lace is out Ace ventur he never had like the elite receivers like
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Clayton and duper were good but they were no Jerry Rice right had no running
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defense yeah and Mar is a legend uh a lot of more because of the the Rings
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himself so postseason can make the legend bigger I'm not saying it's the
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only thing you can be a Hall of Famer without a ring as a Marino is but you
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know uh you know it's it's you know it can make uh you and listen even David
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freeze we talked about David freees that one year he just caught lightning in the bottom I you know again doing shows in
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back then I sold a lot of David Free's rookies right thinking to myself like
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like people realizing like this he had a great World Series but long term he's not a Hol you know um so so Big Ben you
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know Big Ben's a better quarterback than Terry Bradshaw like even though he has three less Rings
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unfortunately yeah so this is not just a relegated to baseball this crosses all
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all the we just focusing heavily obviously on baseball well it's baseball
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playoff time also um yeah so there there was h two less Rings yeah that's what
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Rings get you right they get you more Street Credit as they say um what was I
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just gonna say um but I think baseball is more reactionary football favors
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quarterback so much yeah it's almost hard to move the needle if you're not a
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quarterback quarterbacks can can go go to the Moon people overreact so much
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yeah I agree I think receivers are probably next and and running backs have become sort of an afterthought it's just
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running backs have become I think you know when we look at the NFL not to make this an NFL show well we're seeing
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running backs are not getting taken early no more and it's just going to be you know a two or three man running
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backs are almost like a pitching rotation now you're going to see just two or three guys come in for series and
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carry the ball and fresh legs and when you do that when you use a two to three running back uh system no one stands out
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right it's just the running game becomes the running game rather than a player uh
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you know their running game was successful not you know Kenneth Walker or Derk Henry had a big game and I think
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you're seeing in Baltimore where everybody can yeah no and there's a few guys that are still the guys right CMC
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Derrick Henry Jonathan Taylor with the Colts uh you know kenon Walker still in
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Seattle um but I think a lot of these other teams you they use just a two or three man uh rotation you know and I
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think that's the way the NFL's going you know if I'm a kid that loves football you know used to be years ago
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be like I want to be the running back give me the ball want to carry it 30 times a day a game right now kids are
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probably not going to want to play running back anymore going to be just you know all quarterback receiver or
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make their bones on the defensive side of the ball but running backs is is went
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from a sexy position to like no one's going to want to do it if especially you
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know if you want to shine in the spotlight you're going to be sharing it with a whole room of of running backs so
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or three or four of them so speaking of sexy I I remember remember what I wanted to say uh Lamar Jackson I think is one
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of the guys who who is suffering from not winning a title yeah he is and and
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Son but I think there's guys like that in baseball also yeah my son who is a big Steeler fan like myself will tell
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you like Lamar Jackson might be the best quarterback in the NFL but like you just
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said Danny that postseason you know lack of Hardware is is is hurting him and
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probably not fairly so it's not like he's having terrible games yeah like
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they're not winning but this I I don't think he's like choking like we've seen
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other players kind of do just whatever reason they they run into somebody and that gets them and you know you know
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Barn injury is gonna be a Hall of Famer but sort of like Marino right that lack of postseason success you know maybe we
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have maybe that'll be the conversation like the best quarterback never to win a Super Bowl ring Lamar Jackson Dan Marino
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all right real quick before we get out of here uh this is a great name from the past you want to read this one yeah
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David David Xin uh yeah he made you know he get a Little mench Love in there for
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for David Xin too yeah I forgot I'm not gonna lie I forgot about him I forgot
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about I remember now you know with with with Ruben mentioned him I remember that
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but I for when I was putting my list together I I missed them uh Joe flacko
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is is Elite by the way uh he sold his soul how he's playing at the level he is
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at his age is insane because he doesn't care he just stands in there and he's got an arm from the gods and just just
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stand there take the hits and throw yeah he I was shocked I was shocked he did it
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last year too in Cleveland he won a Super Bowl for the Ravens in 1973
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that's how long he's been how crazy is it think about the Browns right they
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they back up the Brinks truck and trade they mortgage their future for desun Watson which might be the dumbest move
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ever and I am including the Hershel Walker trade yeah and they get rid of Baker Mayfield who's having a second
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coming in Tampa Bay they cut that Joe flacko filled in for an injured deshun
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Watson uh deshun Watson Admiral Admiral one games got him into the postseason
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then they part ways with with Flaco he goes to Indianapolis and wins games
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there and you got Watson who looks like a shell of him for former South like Baker Mayfield and Joe Flaco are better
51:41
quarterbacks than DeShaun Watson and they're locked into a long-term big money deal that they really can't get
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out of and No One's Gonna touch Deshawn Watson with a 10- foot pole uh right and
51:55
that's that's literal and figurative yeah and like what do you do like you
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almost like you almost got to cut them and eat the contract and that's gonna suck but like what do you do they can't
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it's too much on the books they and they screwed the Poo for all the other teams that had to overpay quarterbacks after
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that they reset the market yeah it's it's I agree I think when all said and
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done it's going to be the worst looked at is the maybe not even in football history just in sports history it might
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be a sports history worst trade ever yeah you you usually don't go out and
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make somebody the highest paid player ever right in the middle of a uh that's the thing they had reports like it was
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they they there was that was stuff was ongo it's not that the Browns didn't know anything about it right they just
52:49
rolled the dice and hoped it would blow over where it was all being blown out of proportion and I think you know it's all
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allegedly so speak but no he settled 44 of the cases yeah so you know so and
53:04
what do you do her owner Jimmy Haslam is an idiot I mean he just I will say this
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I'm glad they're in our division as us a ravens yes you you and I each get
53:15
another Buy on the schedule yeah although although the Steelers have a knack for playing down to their level
53:22
and G ging one of those gam at least one of those game seems like every year away
53:28
so all right I want to give one more name on our original topic before we get out of here okay because I think this is
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I already put that up there that was funny well I didn't so I'm doing it um
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well mooki who Among Us hasn't settled 44 cases a beer maybe a beer Ruben you're
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banned you're banned Ruben um Carl your krimsky what he did
53:58
to lead the Red Sox what was it 67 down 67 67 was a triple Triple Crown
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was that the year that he that he destroyed September you know I should I
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know I now I'm I may be the wrong guy to ask because I was a New York City kid who
54:19
loved C shreky some people may not realize that he's a Long Island Legend who you know wound up being drafted by
54:25
the red side and so Yankee fans had a hard time rooting against him because he was kind of one of their he's one of us
54:32
so to speak from new I just I just want to throw it out there that if somebody carries a team down the stretch and gets
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them into the playoffs a lot of times that can have the same effect when when a guy puts a team on the back a pitcher
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a hitter and and and and you know turns the season around I mean similar to what
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ter scub uh you know did with Detroit I mean The Only Name on that team dude we
54:58
saw we saw that Detroit Cleveland game when we went to the National right and
55:03
what did I say to you man this this Detroit team is like a I'm watching a minor league team it's just that the
55:09
major like if you would have told me then that this team is going to be where
55:15
they are you know at this like I'd have thought you're nuts like no way like
55:21
what did all the like did 10 teams plane team planes crashed and they were like
55:27
like you know like I would have never I would have lost everything on that bet like they they that lineup was was seven
55:35
minor Leaguers a a washed up jav bz and and one guy that could hit a little bit
55:41
and obviously one of the best pitchers in baseball but you know he didn't pitch that night but um like that team had to
55:48
me had no business even sniffing postseason and yet you know here we are in 2024 like that one shot ER that would
55:57
you know whether you like him or not I guess you got to take our hats off the the AJ hinch you know I talk about Dave
56:03
Roberts getting the least out of the most AJ Hench is sort of the opposite he
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gets the most out of the least amount of talent so Y and her Eiser did the same
56:14
thing down the stretch with the Dodgers yeah yeah we talked about that year was one arguably one of
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the best ever by a pitcher yep was 8 Herer like just unhit almost unhitable
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like it was like you didn't have to be a Dodger fan like when you when you when you knew he was pitching that night you
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wanted to watch absolutely all right we're into overtime my friend anybody else on your list no I I covered them
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all you know and again you know I think you have teams that have like an erors of like high postseason success like the
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Yankee um like the Red Sox later in the 2000s and I think that builds Legends up
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ortizes this the jeters uh obviously the Yankee teams of the past you know I'm
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not saying those guys aren't Hall of Famers but that post season just ramps their resume even up further and um it
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helps you know and in certain guys cases like we talk right Jack Morris Edgar
57:14
Martinez they have performances where hey that might that might have got him
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in the hall or you can look at that and say they're in the hall because of that you know uh Pucket even in 91
57:27
was was tremendous and um so yeah I mean it's real it's real and I don't think
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they don't the players don't have to apologize for it they're just doing what they're supposed supposed to try to be
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doing so um and yes you can see Orlando tomorrow morning on hobby hotline on
57:44
bench clear media at 11:00 a.m. eastern I will be in the Metropolis of Fulton
57:50
New York a very small City at a Caro it's their first to my knowledge it's
57:55
the first card show in this town I'm not expecting anything uh too crazy but uh
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you know I might have time to sit there watch The Hobby hotline from my table I hope that's not
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the case I say I hope it does a little bit better than that yeah I'm going in with low expectations and maybe maybe
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David freeze will show up and I'll have a that's what my wife said at our wedding um all right on that note say
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good night John good night John [Music]
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he