Card Mensches E38 The Chat Room Episode

SPEAKER 1: Hey, everyone. John Newman here. Thank you for downloading this episode of Card Mensches myself and Danny Black of Hobby News Daily would like to remind you this is a live show every other Friday at 9 p.m. Eastern. It can be found on most of our social medias. Danny's at Sports Ball and Hobby News Daily.

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SPEAKER 2: Hi, I'm Danny Black and I'm John Newman.

SPEAKER 3: Welcome to card matches. Hello and welcome to episode number 38 of card benches and I am Danny Black. That is John Newman. John, can I do something we've never done before? I want to play the intro again. All right, go ahead. I was getting into the song Hey, I'm David Boy and I'm John Newman. Welcome to Car Mats.

SPEAKER 3: Now, I feel better. Thank you.

SPEAKER 1: I just got home. I took a wrong turn leaving your house and I just got here.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so luckily we didn't miss the, we didn't miss the show, but no, I'm back. I'm not in front of the Muhammad Ali painting. I'm in front of a mish match or who knows.

SPEAKER 3: What just Cassius and I, oh, you know what speaking, speaking of which Mike Petty, it's like you read our mind. Let's get this Shabbat started.

SPEAKER 1: That, that is odd. Did you tip him off? Did you tip him off?

SPEAKER 3: I didn't tip Mike Petty off, Mike. We, we literally were gonna talk about this.

SPEAKER 3: So, so this is crazy. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna let you talk about this, John.

SPEAKER 1: All right, we're doing it right now. Yeah. So memory lane. All right.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know a ton about, you know, they send 50 I believe it's 50 cards worth 2 million bucks to the best Western of all places to the front desk for the Strongsville Show and in advance of the Strongsville Show just to, to be displayed at their kiosk and booth and you know, the hotel signs for it and they come, this is the other, we, I don't know how deep you want.

SPEAKER 1: They show up a couple of days later like nonchalantly. Oh, yeah. We're here to pick up our 2 million in cards.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, it's, it's nowhere to be found. And so now that obviously the police are involved, you get that kind of dollar amount. And, you know, it's a big, it's a big deal outside the hobby.

SPEAKER 3: So, what's the lesson? Because we have stadium insurance?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's the lesson. Don't, you know, use your insurance. Get insurance, have insurance, especially. Look, man, I, I do actually see folks up and I don't, I'm not sending $2 million of cards, but there's, there's a lot of value in other people's cards that I'm handling. You gotta have you get that. This is a no brainer. Danny. Yup.

SPEAKER 1: Well, I mean, I can, you know, we can do a whole show on this quite frankly.

SPEAKER 3: We're not going to but if you are shipping stuff and you need, insurance for your, for your collection. Stadium insurance.com and thank you for, keeping our lights on. Warren says now it seems legit because we ran two openings. Absolutely. By the way, my mouse is breaking. So if you see me touching my screen, that's why.

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, the two openings makes up for it and it's been like if my memory serves me correctly a couple of times we didn't even run one.

SPEAKER 3: I was more than a couple. Yeah, we gotta run doubles for a while to even up, from the best Western. Plus bed bugs. I have stayed at that hotel many times. Mike Petty. I'm not sure what's worse. Their elevator or their rooms. It's a, it's a tough, the guys or the guy stealing your stuff, stuff. Right.

SPEAKER 3: What's going on? Dylan? Happy to see Petty Hodges. My mom's Jewish. Good, good, good, good for her. I tell her, we said hello.

SPEAKER 1: And, and, and Warren's got the Eagle Eye Award of the night he spotted the, the old Bay shirt that I have on in.

SPEAKER 1: Am.

SPEAKER 1: Here's the back, which is my good side. Anyway, there you go. I don't know if that showed or not.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, here we go. Mike Petty firsthand account. I was in the lobby on Saturday when the detectives were grilling two employees there. I did not know the extent of it at the time. I should have.

SPEAKER 1: We got, man, he's like the Dan rather. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: What's going on? Have just ok.

SPEAKER 3: We got, let's go, Warren Deon. They're having a drink somewhere. Hello Mensches. Hello, Barry. Barry.

SPEAKER 1: There's nothing wrong with that. It's Friday night. Maybe you just got paid, you got money in the pocket. Anyone remember that side?

SPEAKER 1: Not the way I just did it. I did the a cappella version.

SPEAKER 3: I was about to say the, the, the, the song was in tune that, that was the difference.

SPEAKER 3: Mike Petty says lesson is, don't trust the dump of a hotel with elevators that don't work. I told you and hot water that takes 30 minutes to get to you if the handle doesn't pray.

SPEAKER 1: Who, who 10 2 million do? I don't even want the post office handling a box that has $2 million in it. Let alone the best Western front that's crew John.

SPEAKER 3: Where's your hat?

SPEAKER 1: You know, this is, I don't know if I've ever said this when my hair is short, I tend not to wear hats. Not all the time. It's not 100%. But when I wear a hat a lot, that means I'm due for a haircut.

SPEAKER 3: All right, there's Warren who spotted your old beige shirt. Good job Warren.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, it's real. Settle on the front right here. If I point to the right place.

SPEAKER 3: Orlando's roommate was cussing out the front desk while the police were grilling on true story.

SPEAKER 3: His room key wouldn't work.

SPEAKER 1: That is that is.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, Disney would throw this out.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben says, oh, I saw the shirt. I just chose not to comment about it and acknowledge.

SPEAKER 1: Well, we now we know who has the eagle eye. Now we know who the smartest guy in the room.

SPEAKER 3: But our got checked out early.

SPEAKER 3: Mike Petty says I asked them if they had a safe in the room when I checked in, they said they had a safe in the back. The stolen box never made it to the safe. Yeah, and I don't trust their house safe anyway, I've had that conversation with them, with John shirt. I want wings. Damn it. Oh, I, I always want wings. Especially old Bay wings. So, definitely, like, like the shirt.

SPEAKER 1: I love, I love old Bay wings. Now, I think about them almost every day. I'm not gonna lie. Should we, talk, why not here tonight? So I can say things like that.

SPEAKER 3: Should we tell everybody what we're doing tonight?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, let's, it's not talking about the memory lane $2 million missing package. Although we, I think we, we almost, and maybe we'll, we'll think about that in a future episode when, when we start knowing even more stuff.

SPEAKER 1: We're gonna go through, we really want to cha room active on, on this one. We're gonna go through position by position and put player or players up against each other, but we're not, we want you to pick which ones you rather have. Just their, their cards during their playing career.

SPEAKER 3: It's not, it's not how good they were as a baseball player. It's how good their baseball cards are.

SPEAKER 1: So, you're voting for their player run of cards while they were active players. Not all the transcended stuff and, and stuff.

SPEAKER 3: And we're generally trying to keep it to post-war vintage as best we could. It's not, it's not perfect list.

SPEAKER 3: And we're gonna put some guys head to head some of them are gonna be, probably a lot easier than others. And if we a absolutely forgot somebody, please speak up.

SPEAKER 3: Let's start a catcher who's playing career cards. Would you rather have Bearer or bench? And this, this is, this is the thing because you've got the rookie cards of each which you have to evaluate, that's always the most significant. But then you know how many other years? Oh, Campanella is a good one but he.

SPEAKER 1: His career was short. His career was shorter. That looks a bit one than it should have been.

SPEAKER 3: We're getting Bearer straight down.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I will tell you this. I think bench was a better player. I know we're not doing that. So if you want me to leave that out. But yeah, I would take the beer cards over the bench cards and remember, you know, sometimes you, someone could make the argument that this isn't fair because, you know, bench had cards in the late seventies and the eighties when it wasn't as significant, the design wasn't as nice.

SPEAKER 1: The, the values were obviously way lower. You know, 1/10 year, you know, an eight year bench is gonna be worth less than an eight year Bearer other than other than Campy.

SPEAKER 3: Did we have, did we miss anybody else that you guys would say on there? I think we I don't think there's a lot of other comparable guys.

SPEAKER 1: In that era. You know, how about Bill Freehan.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know who Bill Freehan is.

SPEAKER 1: Oh my God. The chat room's gonna light you up, or at least I hope I'm sure Bill, I'm not saying he's a Hall Of Famer but you know the, the name doesn't even hit you.

SPEAKER 3: I, I'm not gonna, I, I'm not gonna make up something.

SPEAKER 1: I appreciate your honesty. I'm not, I'Ll give you, I'Ll give you points for that but then I'm taking him right back for that. There's the answer. There we go. It was a pretty, he was pretty good. I mean, he was decent.

SPEAKER 3: Petty saying average at best.

SPEAKER 1: I think it's a little better than average. When did he play?

SPEAKER 3: When did he play.

SPEAKER 1: In the sixties?

SPEAKER 3: Ok. Oh, there we go. What about Mickey Tle for Loops? There we go. Freehan, was the best.

SPEAKER 1: I think he's better than you think. Ii, I think he had a couple of All Star games under his belt. So that's why I.

SPEAKER 3: Heard Jay is saying that he was the best catcher in the sixties.

SPEAKER 1: Freehan. Yeah, I mean, he's in the mix.

SPEAKER 3: Well, here's, here's one F.

SPEAKER 1: F I thought about Thurman Marman. You know, you know, listen, anyone that knows me, knows my Thurman Munson deal. I just don't know. The career is long enough.

SPEAKER 3: Elston Howard was better in the sixties. That's a fair one.

SPEAKER 1: Elton Howard is one of those guys doesn't get talked about probably, on.

SPEAKER 3: A narrow let off. Fisk has some epic cards. There you go, Dylan. Absolutely. All right. So that's.

SPEAKER 1: The beauty of, of this, this kind of episode is, is all these, the chat room opinions.

SPEAKER 3: And I'm warning you guys right now, some positions are just not as comparable.

SPEAKER 1: Hodges. I didn't realize that was that high if that's a 11 time All Star.

SPEAKER 3: Once ago, my guy, Dylan says, can we just agree? Catchers have the greatest cards? Oh, we can agree that they have. There's a lot of cool catcher cards. Yeah. Yeah. Bear is still the winner. First top card ever.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, he's talking about the 51 redbacks, I'm assuming for a minute, I'm thinking the 52 and I'm like, that's path go.

SPEAKER 3: We were gonna, we were trying to stay a little bit, we were trying to stay a little bit later.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I thought about Bill Dickey, but again, I think we're, we're, we're trying to go from like the fifties to the eighties. Somewhere in that sort of range.

SPEAKER 3: I love Catcher cars. Yep. Catchers have the hardest job.

SPEAKER 3: Especially if they forget their.

SPEAKER 1: Cup shortest career, especially if you're Joe Ma and then you get in the Hall Of Fame as the Catcher.

SPEAKER 3: We could do a whole show and why I think J I, not a Hall Of Famer, but, I have to agree with Mookie.

SPEAKER 3: All right, Josh Gibson, Josh Gibson.

SPEAKER 1: Great Catchers.

SPEAKER 3: But, trying to stay post war on the cards.

SPEAKER 1: Plus he only really has just a couple cards like the, you know, the, the, the to, I don't even the Toritos or the Toledos super expensive. I'Ll let you read this comment, from Ruben. He says, well, I did accomplish one goal. I've got both of you to say the word dicky and I just said it again.

SPEAKER 3: That's why I let you read that one.

SPEAKER 3: Gibson's a good call.

SPEAKER 1: We're not 11 guy we're not gonna talk about tonight. I promise is rusty cunts, not gonna go there, not gonna do it.

SPEAKER 1: Or rusty Barry.

SPEAKER 3: Gary Carter. We, you know, Gary Carter Carter Carter.

SPEAKER 1: But if we're talking about the baseball card on Gary Carter, I think, and I'm guilty of this digging about the ONFI stuff and it's, this isn't an on field and I made this point to you, John off air.

SPEAKER 3: The 69 bench is my favorite catcher card. That, that bench's cards are cool cards.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, that you like the cup the second year? Better than his rookie aesthetics.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. Especially if you compare it to a black and white.

SPEAKER 1: Ben, I would, I wouldn't disagree because, if you didn't know if you weren't in the hobby, you didn't know cards that 69 tops look like his rookie card. He's young, the gold cup. You know, it's, it's his own card he's on there obviously by himself rather than sharing a dual rookie card with another player. Yeah, I, I agree with you.

SPEAKER 2: All right, second base.

SPEAKER 3: You guys wanna throw out some names of who you think we have.

SPEAKER 1: You ready? Like when we were ready we have the matchup. But just to see, right.

SPEAKER 3: Listen, you guys can, you can, you can guess who we, went to for second base and I'Ll, I'Ll admit that one of the second baseman is maybe not his primary position, but he played over 600 games there. Yeah. Well, obviously, obviously we're playing chalk guys. We, we, we know the answer to this, but let's just have a fun conversation.

SPEAKER 1: Morgan, we mentioned Morgan, we talked about Joe Morgan but baseball cards only there, I know we keep, it's hard to stick because I think all of us in this room are baseball fans and some of his historians and some, you know, and so when we take a player, we're just immediately thinking of performance on field.

SPEAKER 3: If you're talking about performance on the field, does Pete Rose hold his own against Jackie career to career?

SPEAKER 1: Well, he played longer and he's got better numbers. I mean, listen, everyone knows. I love Jackie. Pete Rose was a pretty good ball player, you know, maybe he's not the nicest guy in the world. Maybe not the smartest guy in the world guy could play baseball.

SPEAKER 3: You know, so Morgan has some sicko cards.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that Yeah, Milky.

SPEAKER 3: We agree. By the way, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're just talking for, we, we would both take Jackie.

SPEAKER 1: I'm biased. I'm probably the wrong. I almost should abstained because of, you know what Jackie means to me. But you know, I'm, I'm have an iconic car behind me that is just speaks for itself. But, you know, I, I'm biased so you knew where I was gonna go with this world.

SPEAKER 3: All right, I think Orlando, we agree with you.

SPEAKER 3: So we skipped over first base.

SPEAKER 2: We missed the bag, we missed the, missed the bag.

SPEAKER 3: Next, everybody agrees. Ok, so first base, this is a tough one in the time period. We're talking, who would you guys put in first base trying, trying to go post war, trying to go post war?

SPEAKER 1: You see Fox is, listen, I'Ll see his point.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, these guys are all, would all, would all obviously, be Chalk Hodges from the chat room or Gil Hodges.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, Hodges, man, that's a good one. That's a good one. Hodges is definitely on the short list.

SPEAKER 3: Not for cards. I'm gonna keep coming back to the cards.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. You know, Ruben said, you know, Jackie played a lot of his career at first base. So, I mean, you, you know, but I think, you know, at least he started out his first game. He actually played first base, but he was more, they then his went to second base. So you're gonna probably get people think you went with the homer pick with, with Murray.

SPEAKER 3: I didn't, I think, I think it's, I mean, I could have put Gil Hodges but I don't think his cards hold up.

SPEAKER 3: But I'm, I could be wrong there. I'Ll take, we can put Gil Hodges in the conversation. I'm not anti Gil Hodges.

SPEAKER 2: I don't want to be laid up again.

SPEAKER 1: I'm a Brooklyn kid. I'm a Brooklyn kid. So I think, you know, it took him a while to get into ha he got in what, two years ago?

SPEAKER 1: Took him a while where Murray was kind of a sure fire again. Now we're, we're forgetting about cards and we're, we're talking about the player again, which it's hard to break that habit. It's almost impossible for me. Yeah, I thought about mccovey.

SPEAKER 3: But once again, once again, are we talking player cards?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's true. I mentioned Madden, I mentioned madly.

SPEAKER 3: He's got an 84 rookie. So, is that outside of, it's a little bit later than I was trying to.

SPEAKER 1: And then him and Murray kind of cross paths, you know, in six years earlier. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: You know, it's, it's a tough one, I think Killer Brew.

SPEAKER 2: See, I can.

SPEAKER 1: Argue to, you know, do you have the numbers there? How many games did Killer Brew play at, at not first base? Like I know he was a third baseman, maybe even a little out for you.

SPEAKER 1: Like, I don't think Killer Brew, first baseman, when I think Killer Killer brew, I'Ll look, can somebody in the chat room out? Mark Mark Coyle just kind of confirm what I said. I know he came up as a third baseman, then I think he went to the Outfield and the first base after that breakdown.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER 3: Because I'd be very curious on what the actual breakdown in games are.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I think he played more Outfield. Yeah, Johnny Johnny Mice, underrated guy.

SPEAKER 3: You know, we're, we're, we're on what year again?

SPEAKER 1: Well, Johnny MS is the fifties but he was.

SPEAKER 3: Not, he was not a starter once he went to New York. I mean, he was a, he's a, he was a great player but he was, he, he, he was a role player more, but I like my cards better than Killer Brew. Ii, I can't argue that I couldn't be mad.

SPEAKER 1: That's what's great about this kind of topic is you'd be like, man, I forgot about him or he didn't play enough there to really warrant this pick. You know, that's.

SPEAKER 3: Am I wrong that Musu played the Outfield?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Ii, I hear Mus I take outfielder and one of the greatest players pure hitters in baseball history.

SPEAKER 3: Killer started 930 games at first base. Only 460 miles.

SPEAKER 1: I'm, that's, I'm not gonna lie. I was wrong. I'm surprised about that. I don't think of him as a first baseman. It's weird.

SPEAKER 3: I wanna see the game break down on, on usual also that because I definitely would be wrong.

SPEAKER 3: Ernie Banks is a great one.

SPEAKER 3: I couldn't iii I wouldn't get mad at that either but it, it might not surprise you, Mike Petty that, we're gonna see Ernie Banks later. Yeah. Yeah, Ernie gave us multiple positions.

SPEAKER 3: My vote is Killer Brew for looking first base cards then. All right, Hodges. We can take that.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, his rookie man. Harvey Killer Boos. Rookie is one of my favorite cards and I actually got to get another one. They're, they're actually pretty affordable. I had, I've had it three or four times and I keep selling them and I, I gotta get it back and just put it on the wall behind me and forget about it.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, II I was a, you know, for being a Yankee kid and then the Mets. I, I had a, a warm place in, in my heart for Hary. Killer was the way he was pretty, you know, just went about his business and played and, you know, again overshadowed as well.

SPEAKER 1: They got me to say Dickie again, I know I, I'm trying to the graphic on the screen.

SPEAKER 3: Dickie Dickie Steve Chil.

SPEAKER 3: All right, so let's, let's move to shortstop. I will say that for the sake of this game, we took Mickey Mantle out of it.

SPEAKER 3: So whether it's shortstop or Outfield, we took Mickey Mantle out of, we just didn't see a situation where his cards would ever not be the pick against somebody else. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Because we, because we are going card based.

SPEAKER 3: What's going on here?

SPEAKER 3: Thanks. Yeah, if we're going shortstop, I think you're reading this one. All right. Come at me, I'm ready.

SPEAKER 3: Have a drink.

SPEAKER 2: Well, you know, I'm Mike.

SPEAKER 3: Mike, I'm not arguing with, with his position. Just we're, we're taking taking him out because he would win Banks rookie card. No doubt to me is the better card.

SPEAKER 1: Now, if we put in those Ripkin, minorly tough sets, does that change the, the?

SPEAKER 3: Well, I'm II I said playing so I'm gonna stick to my own rules here to me. It's Banks but Banks played almost half his career at first base. So, yeah, Ripkin played a couple of years at third at the end but was mostly a shortstop. I don't know if how that impacts it, but Orlando, I think, I think missing as many games as he did hurt his, his, you couldn't, he was, he wasn't very dependable, couldn't count on him.

SPEAKER 1: They say the best abilities availability. I think that hurts you. Exactly.

SPEAKER 3: Ozzie Smith. Yes, that Padres rookie.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And listen, the Wizard of Oz, the backflips. Arguably. Maybe the best defensive shorts up or in that conversation. Right. Ever. But, you know, Mookie.

SPEAKER 3: What are you talk, are you talking about cards or, or a career? Because I would put.

SPEAKER 1: I keep doing that too. I just, I just, you know, Blasi's rookies, is, is nice. But then after that, you know, you look at dollar and then dollar two and then down the line, not that it's only about dollar signs, but it's that whole, you know, early eighties, not the greatest designs in the world running pretty heavy stuff. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: That off center Aussie is best compared to the 51 meal and shortstop.

SPEAKER 1: F Yeah, that card is, that's why the nines and tens bring so much, you know, very classically off centered card. All right.

SPEAKER 3: So Bank Banks is the winner, winner, you know, clearly, Ernie played first and short. Yeah, we, we, we took some liberties here in trying to fill all the positions.

SPEAKER 3: I, I tried to go with their number one position every place I could but, you know, it is, it is, it is a.

SPEAKER 1: Some of these position like numbers. Surprise me. I'm not gonna lie. You kind of, you think of a player at one at one position? Only even when that's not the case.

SPEAKER 3: Luis Aparicio defensively without a doubt.

SPEAKER 1: But after that, how about Mario Mendoza? No, no love for Mario.

SPEAKER 3: Of all the Mendoza. I like the line, the best, the Mendoza line.

SPEAKER 1: That's because of Mario Mendoza.

SPEAKER 3: I know that's what I said. I like the line the best. Ok.

SPEAKER 1: Third base. Pee wee pee wee.

SPEAKER 3: Pee wee Herman.

SPEAKER 3: You said the magic word? Third base?

SPEAKER 3: Oh, you know what, this, this was a big missile man.

SPEAKER 1: Matthews, we see. I mean, that's a missile.

SPEAKER 3: Matthews.

SPEAKER 3: Yep. I'm, I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna eat the Matthews.

SPEAKER 1: Brooks versus Math. You know, in hindsight, being 2020 Brooks versus Matthews would have probably been a better match up.

SPEAKER 3: Well, in the magical world, we're fixing it, we're fixing it, we can act like I always meant it this way there.

SPEAKER 1: It is. That other one was the error placard.

SPEAKER 2: I like that should have.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Abs II, I respect that.

SPEAKER 3: Barry says Brooks Brooks. Now this might have been against Schmidt, but Doug Matthews says, don't worry, folks, the more Danny drinks the funnier he will be.

SPEAKER 3: Evidently, evidently I'm disappointing tonight.

SPEAKER 1: We hope we can hope we can hope that.

SPEAKER 3: Clearly, clearly I'm letting down the crowd tonight. You know, the, the matinee went so well, I was sure the evening show would go just as well.

SPEAKER 3: George Brett can't do it on the card.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know, man, some of his early stuff's pretty good.

SPEAKER 3: Matthew's first cover of it. I absolutely beautiful picture.

SPEAKER 3: How I feel about this.

SPEAKER 1: Matches versus Brooks. That's a tough one. I could make a case either way.

SPEAKER 3: Mike Petty, the more I drink the funnier, Danny is, that is true.

SPEAKER 1: I believe that's a proven that's like scientifically proven. Like they did testing on that. That's not just an opinion, scientifically funnier. If you've added that nine out of 10 doctors agree that, you're funnier under the influence of when other people are good thing.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I don't get a complex or anything.

SPEAKER 3: Card wise, Brooks's Rookie card is much better. Brooks' rookie card.

SPEAKER 3: That is a fantastic card and hard to find the center.

SPEAKER 3: But Eddie Matthews is Brett Rookie over Brooks Rookie. No, for me it's not even close. Brooks over Brett. You agree with John?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but it's probably closer than you're given a credit for being really, I'm just not a fan of the Bret Rookie. Yeah, it's not the greatest rookie card. I, I think that Brooks Robinson's aesthetically is, but, you know, you get the big again. You know, my thoughts on close ups on cards and rookies. It's, it's, it's a great car.

SPEAKER 3: Warren evidently wants you to change mid show. John.

SPEAKER 1: I will, I will promise since I'm not changing mid show, but I won't wear it again. So this is the one of one old Bay shirt episode.

SPEAKER 2: Matthew's Astros Card.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I think he played.

SPEAKER 3: I'd love to see that.

SPEAKER 1: I II, I think that was a, I, I vaguely remember see, I, I can see that in my mind.

SPEAKER 2: All right.

SPEAKER 3: Now we're heading in for the Outfield guys. So we took mantle out just for chalk.

SPEAKER 3: 66 capitalist. Mike Petty is one of 50 Old Bay episode PS A one.

SPEAKER 2: Wow. All right.

SPEAKER 3: We're getting some, getting some feedback. We appreciate that.

SPEAKER 3: Let's go to the Outfield with, without mantle.

SPEAKER 1: So it makes you feel better. I got a, to watch a shirt to keep it even. Yeah, I'm not gonna wear it. It's, I do have one though. That's not a so if we're going joke sometimes, but that's for you. All right, let's let's go.

SPEAKER 3: So if we're going post war, Aaron and we're talking about cards, not players.

SPEAKER 1: And what do we get? Three picks? There's six names here. Yeah, three players that mine, mine came pretty quick.

SPEAKER 3: Well, here. Let's see if Orlando is Aaron Mays Clemente for, for cards. It's hard to argue with that.

SPEAKER 3: Rubens Ricky Mays and Clemente. Interesting.

SPEAKER 3: I'm going Aaron Maze and II I don't know who my third one is.

SPEAKER 1: That's the problem I'm having. So, Eric and Maz are the chalk and then you got four names for one spot. That's tough. You know, it's tough. I, I initially thought mutual and then Clemente, but then, you know, you man Frank Robinson. Well, cards wise that I wouldn't put him in.

SPEAKER 2: Rubin says he went by position, William.

SPEAKER 1: How would you, you know, Ted Williams was, you know, going against rule. He was kind of early, you picked him. He's a young like from the early era that we didn't.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you know, you Greenwell, you definitely Mike Greenwell.

SPEAKER 1: And if Mike Greenwell gets in, you gotta put Alice Berks in here too.

SPEAKER 3: If you got to do the, if the is in, then the other one has to be in Ellis Burks.

SPEAKER 1: I just wanted to say Alice Burks.

SPEAKER 3: I like the second year of the card with yellow back around is his best. He's got, he's got a lot of good cards and he might be the third, the third one.

SPEAKER 3: I can't believe I'm passing. It's tough.

SPEAKER 2: It's hard to pass on yours.

SPEAKER 1: Hey, it almost, you almost feel like you should be guilty about doing something like that.

SPEAKER 3: And Frank, I like better as a player than I like his cards.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's the thing. We, we, you know, if this was a player thing, he'd probably be up there more than most would, would realize. But we made this a card competition.

SPEAKER 2: Well, if it's, it's.

SPEAKER 1: Tough, it's tough. I think this Outfield, I think 22 come right to, to mine and then it's at that third spot with four guys that you can make a case for every one of them.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I'm going Aaron Mays Clemente. I just says Frank Robinson is the favorite player. Run of them all Well, that's the whole thing. I mean, does anybody do any of these player runs? Here we go. Thank you. Thank you, Jason right here.

SPEAKER 1: Look at this guy. There you go. And he was there when I bought.

SPEAKER 3: That Aaron Mays and Fred Lynn says, Mike Petty, Fred Lynn, Fred Lynn is the answer to some trivia questions. He was, I think the first player to win rookie of the year and MVP in back to back seasons.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I remember.

SPEAKER 1: I remember being, what was that? 84 right? If my memory that was 84 I remember watching that game as a 12 year old. 8483.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, I thought you were looking it up.

SPEAKER 1: No, it was 84.

SPEAKER 3: I'm almost positive it was in Tiger Stadium, wasn't it?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think that was 84.

SPEAKER 2: Yyy is a good one.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I love Cardi strums, man. I, yeah, a great player, triple crown, triple crown winner, man. You just don't see that that often. Mvp obviously that you like and he has some great cards. He, I tell you as a dealer who sets up at shows, he's a very popular player out of my box. Like I can never seems like I'm always selling the cards always.

SPEAKER 3: Well, he's got a, you know, Boston's got a huge following Fred Lynn.

SPEAKER 1: But I think people who are, I think we got, we got two Lys and one son. Fred Lynn and Lynn Swan, college roommates who knew, I didn't know that I'm a Pittsburgh Steeler guy.

SPEAKER 3: This, this might, this might win answer for Outfield chasing Dominguez.

SPEAKER 1: Al Kon, you know, I thought that said Juan Gonzalez from a distance and like, Juan gone. He was a heck of a KK Kons rookie card is beautiful. Yeah, we, we what, there's a little story about that one, Aaron Ruth and Jason Holiday, I assume that was Jackson.

SPEAKER 3: Kon has the best rookie. Well, Kline's rookie over Aaron's rookie, you know, maybe.

SPEAKER 1: That's a better qu like maybe we'll do that one card, right? Who's the rookie card? Like if it's like the tournament of rookie cards not value aesthetics only take out any kind of monetary value. We do a rookie card tournament.

SPEAKER 3: This is very funny, by the way. Alkaline is my favorite battery.

SPEAKER 1: Derek Bell is mine.

SPEAKER 1: Patty Bell, that's the closest I could get. Mike Trout, Dave Kingman and Curt Dave Kingman being a, a young Mets kind of kid. You know, I i it would strike out a home run. Nothing in between.

SPEAKER 3: Oh he, he was one of the original three true outcome guys. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER 3: All right, we're ready to move to pitcher.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, they say that this will be another tough one. I, I think it will be similar to, to this. I, I feel I wanna.

SPEAKER 3: See who we forgot cause I know we forgot and guys remember we're trying to talk about their player role cards.

SPEAKER 3: So I think we would need two out of this group. So two, two at a, in the, for a player run.

SPEAKER 1: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, man, I know I'm gonna go see Ver Koufax. I, I, and the only thing I'm hesitant, Koufax is because his career was, was short. He got less of you know, all of his, he's got great cards. He does and that's why it was hard to keep him up on mass.

SPEAKER 1: Then now I, yeah, I'm not gonna sleep tonight. Kofax and Stone to man, I love, I got a, there's a spot rookie up there as well, like it's so tough.

SPEAKER 3: Well, that's the.

SPEAKER 2: Point of this.

SPEAKER 1: It might be easier to say who you, who you aren't gonna come close to picking than the guys you're gonna pick or you're not getting the easy way out.

SPEAKER 3: Orlando says Gibson Koufax receiver, second year card. I like the.

SPEAKER 1: I like his rookie though. I like this, that baby receiver, you know, rookie. I know it's a dual rookie card and I get it, but I still like it, it's on my list to get it this year. National.

SPEAKER 3: Barry Nolan Ryan is not the greatest pitcher of all time.

SPEAKER 1: No, he's, he's, he's very good.

SPEAKER 3: He, he's even a Hall Of Famer, just not the greatest pitcher of all time.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm probably for Cards, KOFA Spa, but the Gibson Rookie is one of my favorite rookies.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. You know, you, you, I, you know, I got one behind me. It is a great to disagree.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's the beauty of the show. We still love Barry and, and I, he may not love Barry.

SPEAKER 3: Are you talking about Joe Joe's post war or are we including, like.

SPEAKER 1: He, he, he, I think he's referring to the Nolan Ryan's not to, not to go.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, I'm just curious.

SPEAKER 3: Jim Palmer and Bob friend for me on player runs. Yeah, we met Jim Co Wilbur Wood, the knuckleballer, right? Jim Perry and Bill.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if for player runs for me, it's got Koufax has got so many good looking cards. I mean, I'm totally biased because I collect them. But, that one's got to be included for me and then.

SPEAKER 1: This is tough. I sort of Woody Ford a great one. Yeah, we forgot him.

SPEAKER 2: Satchel.

SPEAKER 3: We talked about satchel.

SPEAKER 1: He just didn't have a t you just don't have enough body work, as they say, as card wise, I'm not talking about, we got Kofax. Kofax is your Jackie. I think, I think what we're established is Koufax is your Jackie.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I would say Kofax and Ripkin are drinkable for me. I'Ll, I'Ll, I'Ll take that. I got a coffee gone.

SPEAKER 1: I'm just drinking ginger ale. That's it today.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I'm on, I'm on a Starbucks.

SPEAKER 1: I got a show tomorrow so I gotta be good.

SPEAKER 3: Double drink for, Sid Finch.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's a classic.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. No, we, we knew who you met Barry that he for, for about six, starts. He might have been the best. Like Fernando, like Fernando mania.

SPEAKER 1: Well, Sid Sid Finch is a made up guy. Are you talking about Mark The Bird Friedrich?

SPEAKER 3: Sid Finch was on the cover of Sports Illustrated John. No, I made up, I know it was made up. It was an April fool's show. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER 3: You have an upset stomach, John. Is that why you're not drinking?

SPEAKER 1: No, I got the card show tomorrow. I gotta try to be not that I'm a big drinker even when I drink, but I gotta get up early.

SPEAKER 3: So although Martha by Fred Rich is a good name, Mark be Friedrich hadn't heard that one in a minute.

SPEAKER 1: So it was a good fit. He was good at like until you know stuff happened. He was one of the best in the game.

SPEAKER 3: So wait, is this our all time card team? So Barrow behind the.

SPEAKER 1: Play, I almost feel like this should have been a pilot and then, and then we'll go for real after learning, you know who we forgot. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like we're crowned champions and there was contenders that didn't even get in the ring. We know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: Like, so a catcher. I, I think everybody agreed on Barrow. Right.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, credit card.

SPEAKER 1: And we learned that you didn't know who Bill Freehan was and you know what?

SPEAKER 3: I didn't, who's the only catcher to win, to be an All Star, I believe in both leagues?

SPEAKER 2: I thought it's a trivia question.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. I, and I believe it's still true if anybody in the comments knows that there's only one guy I think I got to know who it is.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, no, wait, he didn't switch leagues. All right. Hang on now.

SPEAKER 3: I believe I had that. There's only, and I'm sure I'm gonna be way off. This is an old bar, an old bar bet one only catcher to, to be an All Star in both leagues.

SPEAKER 1: You would think there'd be more than one. But there, there.

SPEAKER 3: Probably has been since I was taught that the trivia because I'm old. So things change.

SPEAKER 1: But I'm not guessing. Can, I guess you can guess.

SPEAKER 3: I'm gonna look up the guy. I think it is to make sure I'm Andy Aamar.

SPEAKER 1: Is it Sandy Omar?

SPEAKER 3: No, that's not who I? Ok.

SPEAKER 1: Ivan Rodriguez is Ivan Rodriguez could be.

SPEAKER 3: Who do you play for in the National League?

SPEAKER 1: Who, who, yeah, who did punch finish when he played with the Marlins? I think there might have been another, like the all stars and Marlins, I might have made one. That's why I'm, I'm saying that's a good guess.

SPEAKER 3: Terry Kennedy. Padres and all?

SPEAKER 1: That's the answer or is that someone's guess?

SPEAKER 3: No, that's, that, that's the one that I know.

SPEAKER 1: Wow. I wouldn't have thought that.

SPEAKER 3: I know. That's why it's a great question.

SPEAKER 1: Nobody else try to think of it. I told you. I, my first thought was Carlton Fisk with the Red Sox and the White Sox, but they're both American League teams. So I knew that wasn't the case.

SPEAKER 3: I'm looking up, I'm gonna look up puds right now.

SPEAKER 3: Now he never made an All Star game in the National League.

SPEAKER 1: There you go.

SPEAKER 3: Well, Barry, the question, the question is, is catchers who made the All Star game in the American League in the National League, same player, same player to win to make it as an All Star catcher in the A L and, you know, Mark said Porter, I don't know if that's, he, he was pretty good. You know, so I Terry Kennedy Padres and Orioles shows you how weak the catching class was back then.

SPEAKER 3: I know.

SPEAKER 1: And obviously, you know, that's the, if that's the only one you could seriously win a bar bet.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, II, I did on this for a long time but it's been a while since I, since I fact checked it. So I wanted to make sure nobody else got added.

SPEAKER 1: Terry Kennedy.

SPEAKER 3: I know.

SPEAKER 3: So how you doing? Recovering from Baltimore?

SPEAKER 2: Good.

SPEAKER 1: I, I, you know, it was, it was fun. Man, we're gonna, hopefully we can make it a yearly kind of, you know, me, memorial or spring break week, couple days, you know, I can't come for the whole week but, you know, 34 days catch a ball game or two and definitely eat some old Bay wings and, you know, obey everything and, it, it was a blast, man.

SPEAKER 1: It was my first time there again. Thanks to, to you and family for, putting up with some snoring, some bad jokes and I, who knows what else?

SPEAKER 3: The trivia question and the Barry has, is the only catcher to catch two perfect games. I did, I did know this one but I don't think it is. Hoyle saying Daryl Porter did see you, you, you screwed up to, to this is why I like throwing it out to the group. I don't, I don't intend to be perfect. Johnny Roseburgh. All right. If Darryl Porter did, then I stand absolutely corrected.

SPEAKER 1: Here's a good catch man for a few years. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I mean, it really would have been, for a few years and not that I, yeah, I mean, he's not mistaken for a Hall Of Famer, but, you know, you can be a non Hall Of Famer and have a 4 to 6 year window where you, your real reporter did not make it as in the National League, did not make it.

SPEAKER 1: I would have thought he would have made it for Saint Louis before somewhere else.

SPEAKER 3: No, he didn't. He, according to baseball reference. And if I'm wrong, I've been wrong plenty of times.

SPEAKER 3: But I think Terry Kennedy, Jeff Torborg.

SPEAKER 1: Jeff Torborg, I got a funny Jeff Torborg.

SPEAKER 1: I, I lived in Fort Lauderdale for a couple years and he was a manager of the Fort Lauder, the Yankees and he threw me, I, you know, I was a little kid. I was, you know, a younger kid. I was near the dugout in the front. He would always throw me a ball. Not all quite a bit. I got a lot of balls thrown at me by Jeff Torborg.

SPEAKER 3: So I think I'm right on Terry.

SPEAKER 3: I don't want to hear about Jeff Torborg pas coming at you.

SPEAKER 1: You ruined by that.

SPEAKER 3: I don't want to hear about those.

SPEAKER 2: Guys flying at you.

SPEAKER 1: Well, that's interesting.

SPEAKER 3: Mark. You just giving me people to research Ron Hasse.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. You know what I think of Ron Hasse. I think of Tony Sag goa.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know why but sounds.

SPEAKER 3: Like a criminal case. John.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Danny Danny Martinez was our president.

SPEAKER 1: He barker our president. He was when he was with Cleveland man. He was a Bernie Domini pitcher for window time.

SPEAKER 2: But how about.

SPEAKER 3: Me getting a trivia? Terry Kennedy? I don't think, I don't think I.

SPEAKER 1: I still know that we need like that fact checked, someone's really got a deep dive there. I, I can't believe that all the history of baseball there's only been All Star games from it, but there's no shortage of All Star games. Not like they. Pony played 10. The fact that Terry Kennedy is the only catcher to represent both leagues.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you didn't have free agency, you didn't have free agency until I get it.

SPEAKER 1: I get it. But Terry Kennedy who like Allen Iverson with the playoff slide is a great tt M er, Terry Kennedy, a great tt M. Yeah, Ryan has, he's the answer to the two perfect games?

SPEAKER 3: My all time. Baltimore Orioles Card team. That's, I probably have about this longer than I'm going to, but I'Ll put Palmer on the mound with this with his rookie in 66 catcher Adley Rachman, first base Murray, second base, probably Roberto Alamar shortstop cal third base Brooks in the Outfield. I'Ll take Frank, I'Ll take Reggie Jackson and.

SPEAKER 1: I didn't even been there long enough.

SPEAKER 3: He was there for a year. I'm, I'm gonna count him and I assume we want major league Orioles. So I can't take Babe Ruth.

SPEAKER 3: I'd have to think of the third outfielder, maybe Ken Singleton.

SPEAKER 1: Al Bry.

SPEAKER 3: Al Bry was a good one.

SPEAKER 1: Rollins might not.

SPEAKER 1: How about Rick Dempsey is mad at you, Rick Dempsey. Yeah, because you took right.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I thought about it, but I think Bobby Grich. Great. One for second base.

SPEAKER 3: Great name John Lowenstein who disappeared with that.

SPEAKER 1: But I remember like the big air curls. That's kind of what I think of.

SPEAKER 3: Well, true story, John Lowenstein like disappeared. They like couldn't find him for a couple of years.

SPEAKER 1: I was gonna tell a joke, but I'm gonna leave that one that said boo and Chris Davis at first boog's a good call.

SPEAKER 3: Chris Davis. If I could just take those couple of years. The problem is he had a lot of other ears too.

SPEAKER 3: That's Roseboro Simmons Parish. D as in Kennedy Barry. What are these? Are these all two All Star game guys? Is that our answer?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, Ted Simmons could be.

SPEAKER 3: It could be.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if that's a guess or if you looked it up.

SPEAKER 1: How about? No, no, Kiko Garcia?

SPEAKER 3: That's a good one. I'm, I'm looking up Ted Simmons right now. Ted Simmons absolutely made an All Star game one. All Star game in the American League. Nice job. Nice job.

SPEAKER 1: You have to pay the bet back.

SPEAKER 3: I will take it back. I'Ll, I'Ll eat it.

SPEAKER 2: In fact, let me go back to the, well, he gave me four names.

SPEAKER 1: Maybe they're all right. I think they are.

SPEAKER 3: I'm, I'Ll fact check the Russ later.

SPEAKER 1: Lance Parish, the Tigers. Who was he with in the National League? Was it the Padres? Did he play in San Diego?

SPEAKER 3: I don't know, Barry if you know, tell us I'm not gonna look them all up right now.

SPEAKER 1: Oh Diaz iii, I know Bo Diaz. I didn't think he was an All Star both league, man. This one, this list went from only one to like six in a hurry.

SPEAKER 3: Well, it went to five, including the one I had. So I'm gonna check the rest.

SPEAKER 3: Fun fact that he has placed during Halloween as John Lowenstein is seriously remember beer low and brown. Yeah, they, they would say low. He, he would do endorsements.

SPEAKER 3: I owe Barry an all expense trip to Baltimore. But Barry Barry that you are welcome to ride with John next year.

SPEAKER 2: I pick you up.

SPEAKER 1: Absolutely. I don't snore in the car because if I'm driving, I'm not sleeping.

SPEAKER 3: You definitely want him driving.

SPEAKER 3: But, but shout out, shout out on that one. Very impressive. All right, Mr Newman did, do we pick an all time card team or do we just talk ourselves in circles?

SPEAKER 1: I think we laugh some people out, you know, whenever you do list, you know the deal man, whenever you do list you someone's, you're gonna forget someone. You're not gonna think highly enough someone and leave them off. You know, anytime we do a top 100 you know, or even a top 10, there's gonna be someone on the outside looking in and how did you not, you know, pick him?

SPEAKER 1: And so I get it. I almost wanted to like, revisit this kind of revisit, like 2.0 and, and, and do it again. I, I kinda like the team thing too where they had, you, do you like all time or card team? That's kind of a cool way to do an episode too. You know, you pick a, a couple of teams and you do that all time rookie card lineup.

SPEAKER 3: Paris was an All Star with the Phillies is.

SPEAKER 1: I didn't realize that but Johnny Carson would say I did not know that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, we left off the Hanne Wagner.

SPEAKER 3: He, he, he he, he would have fallen under the Mickey Mantle rule if we included those I think that would have been chalk for I like.

SPEAKER 1: I for future reference man, a rookie card tournament on aesthetics only. No values, no values, best looking rookie cards and like see who wins, like almost have that like be like a couple week competition and see who's last card standing. That would be pretty cool. I don't know if someone did that already. It sounds like it's not AAA crazy concept, but we haven't done it on this show.

SPEAKER 3: So yeah, I don't see us doing it either.

SPEAKER 1: That's why they like crush my dream.

SPEAKER 3: Just my Petty says two of the top five players of all time. Let's leave them off and and Roth off cobb out If we're going back that far. Well, let's play. You see, that's why we didn't go back that far. It was playing day cards and that's where it gets really tricky. Yeah. I don't know. I think Mike's just having fun at this point. I get that. It's late. It's Friday.

SPEAKER 3: Anything else, Newman?

SPEAKER 1: No, I mean, it, it's fun. Right. And I think we probably should have more parameters. But, you know, this is the fun. We get the chat room. No, nobody wants us.

SPEAKER 3: No, nobody wants to follow my rules that it had to be, cards. Only everybody wanted to.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I keep doing it too. I think it's our, it's just so ingrained in us when we think of a player. You know, if you're in the hobby, I think when you think of a play, you, you take two things, right? You, you see the cards and then, you know, you, you know what kind of player they are? You see, you remember the stats or what they did. So, it's hard to separate one from the other. I think for guys of our age too.

SPEAKER 3: Barry said too much thinking.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Hurt your head. I agree.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, we, we try not to, hurt anybody. He's, had with too much thinking. We don't get accused of that too often.

SPEAKER 3: This was fun. Iii I probably phrased it wrong. I wanted to make an all time card team.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, we can do it again. I mean, we only spend an hour on it today. I mean, I'm not saying that show but we could, we could take, if we did an all time card team, we could do it any year. I could be a, I could anything, I like that.

SPEAKER 3: Let's do an all time card team by position. Rookie cards only.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I think you gotta like, yeah, you gotta, it's gotta be a rookie card. That will be tough too.

SPEAKER 3: That will be tough too because, well, this is, this is probably true. Take out, take out some of the chalk.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Take out the mantle and I agree. Take out the mantle and the, and the Wagner and it gets interesting. Well, then it gets very interesting.

SPEAKER 3: It doesn't have to be a major league card. Are we doing a 33 gal for Ruth or?

SPEAKER 1: I mean, whatever, you know, I think it's gotta be where we, no one argues that it's a rookie card.

SPEAKER 3: Well, all right. Well, we'll check, we'll get victor on All right. Say good night John.

SPEAKER 1: Good night John.

SPEAKER 3: And I guess I should play us out of here, shouldn't I?

SPEAKER 1: You want me to it?

SPEAKER 3: No. Good night everybody. Oh, wait my pet. He says I like chalk. I need some pepto bismol after tonight's show that stuff tastes like chalk. Who?

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, I, I listen, I appreciate someone that calls it like they see it and I tried to do that. So I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna argue that point. They listen, they all can't be, you know, Nolan Ryan didn't throw a no hitter every time he went on the bump, he just did it eight times. We have eight good shows. You never know when it's when we take the mound. What's gonna happen?

SPEAKER 3: Well, Barry, thank you, Ruben. Good night, Mike will. We'll work to do better next time and we'll see you guys.

SPEAKER 1: I want to say one last thing.

SPEAKER 1: Don't forget Sunday's mother's day out of the stay out of the doghouse. Yes.

SPEAKER 3: All right. Say good night, John.

SPEAKER 2: Good night, Jim.