Card Mensches E33 Collectors acquires SGC..The Inside Scoop

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SPEAKER 3: Hey, I'm Danny Black and I'm John Newman. Welcome to Card Mens.

SPEAKER 4: Well, we never decided who was gonna talk first. So I'll jump on the microphone. What's up and welcome to episode 712 of Card Mensches. I'm Danny Black and that's John Newman and we are covering a story that you probably have not heard about. But we will, we'll be talking today about SGC being bought by Collectors in PS A. What's up buddy?

SPEAKER 3: Not enough coverage of this. So we, we have to, we have to do or do but in our defense and I, I did this on the promos guys and, and I know we like to joke around.

SPEAKER 3: You know SGC sponsors the show. I know a lot of folks there. I talked to them, you spoke to Nat Turner and Ryan Suszynski from GEM. Right. Nat Turner from Collectors.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm not trying to belittle but we've talked to the people in the trenches If you will and we're gonna really try to cover all the angles, not just the surface skim of, of this, but before we do that, I also wanna make an announcement that SGC has purchased Sports coordinations earlier this afternoon.

SPEAKER 4: Let's be honest, they purchased that a long time ago.

SPEAKER 3: So I will say this what, but you know what I find interesting about this acquisition is, it's the only two companies I submit cars for grading is PS A and SGC.

SPEAKER 3: So it's interesting on a personal level for me, it's the only two companies I consider having my cards that I own in are now owned under the same umbrella. Ii, I think that's pretty interesting from, from my angle. I've said on my podcast before, my biggest fear was my favorite grading card companies being bought by fanatics because to me that's a real conflict of interest.

SPEAKER 3: And if as much as I love SGC, had fanatics acquired them, that would have been my end of relationship with SGC and any card sent to them as much as I love them, that would have been a deal breaker for me. So I'm glad it wasn't fanatics acquiring SGC that I breathe aside the sigh of relief there. Now, I know others will say that's good for you. But, you know, I like STC and not PS A.

SPEAKER 3: And so STC gave me an option besides PS A and now they're under the same umbrella. So now what do II I get that? You know, if you're one of those folks, I, I can't argue, you can't argue opinions.

SPEAKER 3: But you know, that's, that's the, the landscape we're, we're in right now.

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SPEAKER 3: You'll cover all your graded cards, not not just SCC or, or PS A.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Really?

SPEAKER 4: Ok.

SPEAKER 3: So it's like where do you begin? I mean, I gotta listen, I'm not a big guy that writes a lot of notes down. Everything comes from here and here this, I wrote some stuff down because I really, there's so many shows that have done coverage of this.

SPEAKER 3: I wanted to really not miss anything and cover, not just the impact now but 2 to 3 years down the line. What do other grading card companies do in reaction if anything, that sort of stuff? I did, I will tell I will ask, can I answer this question first? Danny from Ruben. Did you see? Sure.

SPEAKER 3: And, and Danny, me and Danny have had this conversation the, this, the turnaround times lately for my submissions SGC have gotten really slower and Danny can, Danny can vouch for this. I said to you now, I didn't get specifics, but I just said something's going on behind the scenes. Now, I didn't predict this.

SPEAKER 3: Not in this case, I've, I've said in the past that I wonder if something like that would, would happen, but I did say to you that something, something's going on. Did I think I, I.

SPEAKER 4: I'll admit iii I think you wear a tinfoil hat sometimes and, and you definitely said something was up.

SPEAKER 4: And I said I did not know specific, you didn't know specifically, but you definitely said something was done. I take credit.

SPEAKER 3: So, oh I saw that one. I so I knew something was going on. I just didn't know what it was exactly. And then this, this shoe dropped. So I said something, you know my spider sense, my spider senses were tingling.

SPEAKER 4: Well, and I'll go so far as if you listen to the interview I did with Ryan.

SPEAKER 4: Darren Rovell reached out to him for the tweet and Ryan didn't know why he was given that information. That's how secret it was. So even Ryan who provided the information from GEM rate for the tweet for Darren Ravel didn't know what the, what the tweet was gonna be about. So no, this was a total shock for, for most people.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, full transparency too. One of the things that got those spider tingling senses up was I sent a couple messages to my folks in SGC and even got vague responses or no responses. And that was really sort of a red flag to me like something's going on here. I'm not getting the usual responses whether it be timely timeliness or what was, what was said to me. And so, you know.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I, I think that we.

SPEAKER 3: Both went through like from KFC or tornado. If it's a, if it's a KFC twister, I can sense those coming.

SPEAKER 3: Well, maybe my dog too, but both of us, can I tell you how hungry I am, by the way, so I had c hey, you're gonna, you're gonna be proud. We had Chinese food for dinner. Yay.

SPEAKER 4: I eat Chinese food like once a week and John. John makes fun of me.

SPEAKER 3: I like Chinese food. I just don't eat it as much as you do.

SPEAKER 4: I like, I eat it enough that I, that I, that I'm, you know, I can change my nationality. I can compete in the Olympics for other countries now.

SPEAKER 3: And to answer Ruben's question, I have no sense. So it's my first.

SPEAKER 4: So here, here, let, let's, I don't really know what this means. And Peter's comment, we're not.

SPEAKER 3: That's a good starting point, right? And, and Hammer 44. Thank you for saying like there's nothing wrong with saying, hey, what, what does this mean? What, how does this affect me? You know, there's nothing wrong with that. I say that and I've been doing this 40 years, right? No one knows everything we're gonna speculate tonight.

SPEAKER 3: We're gonna speculate that even with the conversations and, and you agree with this, Dan, even with the conversations we had with me, with SEC folks and with you and Nat Turner, they're gonna tell us some things but they're not, you know, it's like a poker game, right? They're not, they're gonna show you a couple cards face up and, and then it's gonna be cards face down too.

SPEAKER 3: Let's not, let's not lose sight of that. You know, then you know, we, we can ask questions, we can get some answers but they're not, you know, they're not just gonna be an open book and like, you know, this isn't true lies where we inject them with serum and they just tell everything like, you know, that's not the reality of, of a simple horn.

SPEAKER 4: And just remember laces out, laces out, laces.

SPEAKER 3: Out, I gotta watch that again. It's been a long, a long time.

SPEAKER 4: In fact, there, there's Ruben's got it.

SPEAKER 4: And Orlando Orlando said he's having Italian today, Chinese tomorrow. And Mookie says, or Orlando lives in Epcot. It's a different country for dinner every night.

SPEAKER 3: I love Epcot Man.

SPEAKER 3: One that's, that's how I think, you know, you're getting old when Epcot becomes your favorite Disney Park. I think that's when you've crossed the moonlight. Gram. Like you've crossed the line, you can't go back. That's hilarious though.

SPEAKER 4: What's up Hodges?

SPEAKER 4: No, tonight, tonight is one of those nights where I, I wanna be honest, I'm gonna share as much as I can talk about. There's stuff we've heard that's not appropriate to say on air because we're not sure if it's true.

SPEAKER 4: But we wanna, I think, give you as much information as we have as we know, years in the Hobby, you know, our experience and what we think is gonna happen.

SPEAKER 4: From what very important from what we know and what Nat Turner told me and what Peter Steinberg said in his video is for the time being, these companies are operating separately and nothing major is changing bet, in their current operation. So that's what I use.

SPEAKER 3: Can I use my fast food analogy? Sure. So to me, this is like mcdonald's acquire in Wendy's and they're gonna still be mcdonald's and Wendy's, you're still gonna see those Wendy's commercials with the one guy that looks like Drew Herndon and, and the other guys and, you know, and, and when you go to Wendy's and whether you buy a bacon, you know, you can still buy the bacon, you can still have your frosty.

SPEAKER 3: The only difference is that money is gonna go to one umbrella company, right? Rather than it used to go to just Wendy's. Right. You know, one of the, one of the quotes I got from who I talked to at SGC said John, the only difference right now is where we, where our checks are coming from. Everything else is business as usual. And I, I believe that at least for the, the moment, right. You know, will it stay that way?

SPEAKER 3: We, this is where the speculation will, will always come in and not just us but other talking heads like us. Well, a as well.

SPEAKER 3: So, you know, so what I was told, from the SGC side, you know, I do for those that don't know, I think a lot do I do literally monthly bulk subs, lots of cards, the SGC, sometimes more than one a month and I got two shows this weekend, I got a show tomorrow and I got a show Sunday in two different cities. And those promoters are advertising me as Sports carnation there.

SPEAKER 3: Accepting SGC cards for both submission. I get a table just for SGC. And so then they're like, well, you know, is this still on like, and I, I figured it was, but I, you know, I had to hear it from, to be official and I did today, I was hoping to hear yesterday.

SPEAKER 3: But, they called me today and, and, you know, we had, a decent conversation. I actually left my school room, you know, I'm a teaching assistant.

SPEAKER 3: I think my teacher, that I work with, like, it was family emergency because when I came back in, like, 20 minutes later he's like, are you, is everything ok? And, like, I didn't go, I didn't say no. That's a Hobby. I said, yeah, everything's good. I left it at that.

SPEAKER 4: So you didn't say you'll never believe the SGC was bought?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. If I, you know, I said we get along great. But if I said, hey, that was a, a Hobby call, he wouldn't have been mad but he would have been like, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So I just left it and left it without going into details. Like, yeah, everything's good. So it's a happy emergency. From, from Moogie, by the way, Moogie asked earlier what my, what my fortune said, if it said anything about my fortune said, I like my fortune tonight. It said, be yourself. It's easy, which I do try to do. And so that was my for, wasn't.

SPEAKER 4: That a great way to end the meal? It's a Chinese.

SPEAKER 3: Sometimes I get a fortune. I'm not as fond of as that.

SPEAKER 4: Sometimes you get to eat. What did you get to eat?

SPEAKER 3: General. So chicken and then we get like spare, spare ribs and yeah, that's the good stuff. Yeah. So I ate a big lunch, so I didn't even finish it. So my dinner for tomorrow after the card show is left over Chinese.

SPEAKER 3: All right.

SPEAKER 4: Here's the one, a couple of things that I think are interesting.

SPEAKER 4: The technology and the counterfeiting that's, there's been talks for a while about purchasing SGC by a number of companies. So I don't want to pretend this came out of nowhere.

SPEAKER 4: But the, the, according to Nat Turner, the impetus for this final conversation was that the two companies were working together to stop fitting and they realized that there, there was a technology gap and they could fit together and it, and it was a good fit.

SPEAKER 4: So SGC could be getting better, technology should be getting, both companies should be getting better at stopping counterfeiting and fraud and that, that should be a positive, for people who are submitting.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. I was told to add on my call as well that, they're going to join forces in with certain things that being one of them that was, mentioned, you know, I asked the question, you know, what might we see one of my things is, you know, I've gotten a little bit into tickets in, in the last year or two.

SPEAKER 3: And, you know, I have to send a PS A to get my tickets graded. That's fine. Ii, I don't have a problem with PS A and, but, you know, II, I wish SGC offered that option. So I asked my dad be something they do in the future.

SPEAKER 3: They kind of said, you know, anything is possible but they didn't really, you know, commit to saying, yeah, that's coming or, or, or, or anything like that, you know, I asked about will, you know, the, the, the cases changed the flip changes, you know, the answer to that.

SPEAKER 3: I said John, we, we might have did that without an acquisition like that's, we've changed the flip. The flip we use now is different than the flip we used, you know, two years ago.

SPEAKER 3: We're always looking at different plastics and, and things that are better and durable and just work, make more sense. So, you know, their answer to, that was like that stuff has, you know, is something we always looked at even without being without an acquisition, you know.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I saw Logan who's our, our teammate on Hobby hotline and who's been through mergers and acquisitions. He said I've been through them too. I don't know about you, Danny. And, you know, there's usually changes. I, I be, I, I think there will be changes. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that this will not change anything.

SPEAKER 3: Ii, I don't think that's true. I, but I, I do think it's gonna be two years before we see anything of significance and some of that and this is all speculation, this isn't from them. You didn't hear this, I'm sure on your end. But usually in an acquisition there's a contract that goes along with it.

SPEAKER 3: It's usually either two or three years that says no major, like you can make small things, but it's usually you got 23 years to figure things out before bigger things can happen. So two or three years from now, you know, all bets are off, right. And I think what happens in the next two years will determine what those changes are if they occur and how big or not big, they are.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if you agree with that. That's my general gut feeling and, and, and that's just, you know, par for the course for these type of deals. And the other thing I wanna mention, Danny, you know, this is big news in the Hobby, but this is, this is something that happens in, in a lot of industries.

SPEAKER 3: This is not new territory. No, not by any means in every industry we see it in supermarkets. There's one that's being fought now in court to be, I think Kroger and some, and, and Albertson's merging together and people are like up in arms about it and saying it's a monopoly.

SPEAKER 3: And so I know I've heard the word monopoly used in this case as well and it's, it's not guys while they are two major forces and arguably the two biggest major forces in the space of grading. This is not a monopoly if you hate both of these companies. If you're unlike me, hey, man, I don't like PS A and I don't like SGC.

SPEAKER 3: You have other options. There's 200 grading card companies now. They're not all on the same level as P SAS ECGC or even picking up the Caboose Becket or tag if you wanna throw them in there. Hd A is kind of faded. After trying to the, you know, get in the ring with the big boys and, and, and throw some punches.

SPEAKER 3: I get it but you do have other choices that are still legitimate, right? So it's not a monopoly. You know, I get it. If you don't like both companies, you're probably not gonna be happy when you saw that come across your phone. I get all that opinions are, you know, are ours right?

SPEAKER 3: We're entitled to them. So, while I wasn't disappointed there will be others that say this sucks and I, I don't like it and there's nothing wrong with that. That's you. Just like it's me that says right now, I don't have a, a major issue with this.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I hope, I hope, you know, SGCI, I like to think they're gonna be around in three or four years. I hope that's the case. But we don't know that, right. I can't sit here on, you know, March 1st and tell you that. I guarantee that right.

SPEAKER 3: I, I can't do that but for, for, I think for the next couple of years, we're, we're not gonna see, you know, a ton of, of different things happen, you know, I think it is going to be you know, two companies under one umbrella.

SPEAKER 4: I, I want to catch up on some comments if I can and Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: Ok. So Logan they need a slab upgrade. I, I asked him which company he was talking about. He's saying SGC needs a slab upgrade, not a fan of the talks.

SPEAKER 4: Maybe SGC will go back to authenticating all those. This is not, this is not Pat Po Autos, this is one card auto after production SGC does not currently authenticate those. There is no plans currently to change that down the road. Who knows? But there is no plan right now to change any of this.

SPEAKER 4: TJ is online. What's going on TJ.

SPEAKER 4: He uses PS A for tickets and a auto cards. Exactly what I just talked about SGC for everything else.

SPEAKER 3: TJ TJ is me.

SPEAKER 4: That's adorable.

SPEAKER 4: Red Sox.

SPEAKER 4: I like that.

SPEAKER 3: The PS A Red Sox that sound like a marvel, like a marvel like superhero villain. Like a marvel. It's like so and so versus the Red TX.

SPEAKER 3: Ok.

SPEAKER 4: I want to clarify some stuff here with Mookie. I believe the acquisition means the end of any hope for an SGC registry. Why would Collectors let them compete with PS A on its one for monopoly? All right, Mookie got some good news for you.

SPEAKER 4: They are doing a SGC registry that is in, in the works. That is gonna happen and, and most exciting there's gonna be a combined checklist, a full checklist. So you can actually keep a checklist of your PS A and SGC cards together like I'm doing the perfect run. I have the rookie and an SGC. I've got other, I, I.

SPEAKER 3: As, again, as someone who uses both companies, I have P SS A and SGC graded cards all over this room both.

SPEAKER 4: So, yeah, so that, that's gonna be, you know, a huge, a huge advantage. I think for a lot of people TJ says y the two years I work for Big Pharma. It takes multiple years to figure things out.

SPEAKER 4: I think there's gonna be like John said, there's gonna be small changes and I think we're gonna see some of those right away benefit the user because that's gonna be the technology, the fraud, but more importantly, it's gonna be consistency, I believe on getting cards out the door. I think you're gonna start seeing PS A and SGC have similar turnaround times within a year or so. I think that'll be one of the impacts.

SPEAKER 4: They're not gonna make it vastly different. My understanding is they want, they want some consistency.

SPEAKER 3: I wanna, I wanna touch on the SEC registry thing that I know for a fact was in the works prior to this acquisition. Does that get speed track now because of financial and, and more resources? Sure. I think that's, that's true.

SPEAKER 3: But the re the SEC registry was already in the pipeline before these two entities ever started talking acquisition. Just, just so people were and that I know firsthand that I know firsthand from years, years of back of communique.

SPEAKER 4: Steven, how are you doctor? He says I have friends who use SGC because they don't want to use Collectors. They're strongly opinionated, curious what they do now.

SPEAKER 4: I, I would ask them.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, listen, let's, let's keep it real. I know CC sponsors the show. I love them you're fond of.

SPEAKER 3: But you know, someone who don't like this deal or doesn't like one company over the other, but now there's steel sours among both. You know, maybe CDC does benefit from, you know, I saw someone comment, I apologize for not match, someone comment like this is gonna help us CGC.

SPEAKER 4: I wanna, I, I wanna come back, I wanna come back and touch on that in a second because I think the impact of on CGC Beckett is where I wanna tackle that altogether.

SPEAKER 3: What I love, I gotta put this up, man. You know, we we could do a show just on comments, right? Red Tux is an extreme hemorrhoid pad. I like it. Preparation H Red Tux beds. Oh, there's.

SPEAKER 4: Definitely not water in the glass tonight.

SPEAKER 4: Logan said SGC slabs are not very secure and were very easy to crack. Logan remind me not to let you over my house.

SPEAKER 3: Well, listen, they're thicker than PS A slabs. They, they're, you know, I think PS A slabs are to me a little too thin. I like them. I mean, I don't, I'll throw them out of bed but they, they can, they're kind of thin.

SPEAKER 4: Hammer, 40 Forces tags grading 89 and forward at some point. They should be able to push that. Yeah. One of the things that is secondary market value. Right now they, they are just lagging behind and if you have a card of, of value, you know, where do you, where do you want to send it?

SPEAKER 4: CGC should benefit Rubens already owns a piece of them through one of his investment companies.

SPEAKER 3: Actually, I got scared, I got scared by something Mike Petty said, but then he felt, he made me feel better, with the next comment. So he first he put bye bye sponsorships and then he wrote, don't worry, I'll sponsor you to you. So we, we know if we lose SGC. Hey, listen, I don't, you know, anything can happen. That might be the case. We'll be sponsored by Mike Petty. So it's, it's a, it's a, it's a lose win if that happens.

SPEAKER 4: Logan continues to let people know how to commit crimes.

SPEAKER 4: John Lee, what's going on, John from Senator?

SPEAKER 4: Good to have you here. Mike Petty R IP SGC.

SPEAKER 4: Not right away, but certainly at some point that could happen.

SPEAKER 3: One of my favorite movies because Marissa Tomei is in it. I'm a huge Marissa Tomei fellow Brooklynite. And you wonder how much of a Marissa Tomei fan is. I am had my son been a girl, his name was going to be Marissa. It's Jordan. It's, it's Jordan instead because he's, you know, but it would, he would have been Marissa Rose Newman. Had he been born female?

SPEAKER 4: I can't wait to talk to Jordan about that.

SPEAKER 3: He knows that it's not a, it's not a secret.

SPEAKER 4: I just want to say thank you to Mookie. It was a fantastic weekend.

SPEAKER 4: I, my, my boys were Bar Mitzvah this past Saturday.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, yeah. Congrats to Zach and Connor.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, thank you very much.

SPEAKER 4: I just wanna catch up on some of these.

SPEAKER 3: And that was the trigger that Bar Mitzvah was the trigger for this acquisition.

SPEAKER 4: The deal was actually done. The deal was actually done that night. I I was getting the news on the Bar.

SPEAKER 3: Mitzvah went down the Bar. Mitzvah went down, Steinberg left the Bar Mitzvah and, and made the sign off.

SPEAKER 4: I hey, we could have had that and then Peter Steinberg on here.

SPEAKER 4: Mo Mookie and Mike Petty are deciding who's gonna be Mike.

SPEAKER 3: Petty spelled Marissa wrong. It's only one in Marissa Tomei.

SPEAKER 4: John takes this very seriously.

SPEAKER 3: I love my Marissa Tomei man. Don't misspell her name.

SPEAKER 4: Ok, Ruben. PS A also has an a New Jersey location. They're opening up. So yes, he definitely is another location but they already have a New Jersey office. They're staffing up.

SPEAKER 3: This is a great point, but that's a great point. But Ruben because this is something that was mentioned to me on today's phone call. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER 4: So my under my understanding is, is that Collectors and this was from Matt Turner is not using their New Jersey office for direct mailing yet.

SPEAKER 4: So right now everything goes to California, some of the cars from California then go to New Jersey for grading and they're shipped back to California and then they're sent out. So eventually the shipping when you submit to PS A will go right to the, the correct building. But it's a little, a little crazy.

SPEAKER 3: I just wanna talk, I don't even wanna talk, I'm like Joe Naan, I don't even wanna talk about STC and PSA I just wanna talk about Marissa Toma. So what does Mike Petty? He said the extra s because he likes it so much. It's for extra sexy. All right, I can't argue that one good point, Mike Petty.

SPEAKER 4: So the Jersey office.

SPEAKER 3: Danny just let that one go. He's like, I'm not.

SPEAKER 4: You're, you're going off the rails on me. I'm just trying to keep the keep the Titanic from hitting.

SPEAKER 4: I thank you.

SPEAKER 4: The, the office for PS A DNA is being expanded according to Nat Turner, they're still staffing it up and they're gonna be handling, you know, a ton of cards over there.

SPEAKER 4: So that, that should be a huge advantage for anybody submitting on the east coast. It should get quicker eventually because they'll be grading right out of Jersey. And you can send it to Jersey and get it back from Jersey. So that should help a lot.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I, I thought comment and listen, we got it. It's the in the room. Right. Again, we know with mergers and acquisitions, the real impact isn't felt probably for two or three years and sometimes those companies that are required are gobbled up.

SPEAKER 3: Right, or just consumed by the buying company. Can that happen here? I can't sit here and look into this camera and tell you with 100% certain that won't or can't happen. It sure could. I hope not. I don't think so. Not on to that level.

SPEAKER 3: But I, you know, I don't have a say in that and, and that does occur in other industries and, and it's even happened in the Hobby as well. So, you know, I hope not as a, as, you know, a big fan of SGC, but III, I have no say in that other than just saying, I hope it doesn't happen. Well, let me.

SPEAKER 4: Give you a couple of numbers here. If you combine PS A and SGC, that's 85% of the grading market right now.

SPEAKER 4: Just to show you just how disproportionate in size we're talking about. However, CGC is bigger than SGCCGC is 96.

SPEAKER 3: I don't see it that way. This is where we have to.

SPEAKER 4: Talk to Ryan. This is after talking to Ryan today.

SPEAKER 3: I get it a lot of that and I, I'm not saying it doesn't count. I, I, but a lot of that's trading card games. And for me that's my point that do trading card game. I'm just a Sports car guy.

SPEAKER 3: I, I don't, I know it's easy for me to say, well, I don't count it and it's easy for me to discount it, but I don't really look at that. So when I, when I say who are the biggest two, when I say, who are the biggest two Sports card graders, I'm gonna answer that with Psansgd.

SPEAKER 4: That's my PS A is 40% trading card games. Their Sports card business went back, went backwards last year.

SPEAKER 4: If it wasn't for trading card game, they actually would have been, would have lost total size compared to the year before in grading, their Sports business went down. SGC does almost no trading card games and is much smaller. So whether or not you wanna count trading card games, they're a huge part of the grading market. It's 93% of CGC, 40% of PS A.

SPEAKER 4: And, and so, you know, it's just something that we have to consider even though you and I are not trading card game people.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, and, and here's a comment from Bobby, right? Really enjoy the videos you both make. Thank you, Bobby. I am in a minority but I like grading Sports cards with CDC over others. That's the beauty, right? We have choices. That's why I say there's no, you know, we can squash the monopoly talk. At this point, someone else mentioned, you know, what if Collectors buy Beckett?

SPEAKER 3: Here's how, you know, when I wrote, when this news broke. Yes. It shocked me initially. And then I look at it like this. It's sort of a compliment, right? You're gonna buy or acquire somebody you feel is sort of a threat to you, right? If someone's not a blip on your radar, you're not even looking at them in that capacity. So it's, I take it as a compliment.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if, you know, if everyone in, in that building does, but as someone who's a fan of both companies, I take that as a compliment. You know, I'd be, if, if PS A bought, if Collectors had bought Beckett Grading, I would have been like, hey, you know, over S DC, you know, or I would have said to my, my little voice manager said, well, they probably tried to buy SC and they, they couldn't do it.

SPEAKER 4: You know, I, I know for a fact that I've had to verify that fanatics and CGC both tried to acquire SGC also, in the near, in the near past and I've already said this, I'll, I'll reiterate it had fanatics acquired SGC as much as I love SGC.

SPEAKER 3: I'm wearing a shirt that would have been a deal breaker for me. I would have ended bulk subbing, for, just to me that's a huge conflict of interest and I don't want fan and this isn't just CC, I don't want fanatics owning any company. I know you don't want them grading whether it has an investment in CGC.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know what percentage or how many points he has, but I don't wanna read fanatics by his grading company. Blank. I don't wanna, I don't care who it is. I don't want to see that and whoever it is, whether we SGC or PS A or start the road. Yeah, I, I won't grade with them or start the road. They talk about starting their own when they, well, they already.

SPEAKER 4: Slapped stuff in their stores for sale.

SPEAKER 3: Not, not, it's not a true, great. Yeah, it's not a great, they have the capability. I would never stop with a company that produces cards of their own. It's a huge conflict of and someone would say, well, buy, don't buy their brand graded. Well, that works both ways, right? You're gonna be biased to the cards you manufacture.

SPEAKER 4: Gonna buy a tops product.

SPEAKER 3: And I'm just saying, dude, you know, II, I hope that day never comes for any grating card company.

SPEAKER 4: J just back me up on this. My, my brain is a little fried. Didn't Ebay buy Com C isn't that already done?

SPEAKER 3: No, they didn't buy him. They, they have, some sort of partnership as far as, yeah, they're not. So, I don't, I don't see, is the, is still owned by, Tim GG.

SPEAKER 4: I, I don't see them being acquired by somebody other than Ebay.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, they have a great relationship. Like, I believe if like, COMP C ever sold Ebay was probably the one that gets put it that way. Yes. But they, Ebay does not own Comp C, they have some deals in place for like collaboration but they're, they're not owned by the same Logan.

SPEAKER 4: Logan to answer your question. Yes. I believe that Collectors bought SGC partly in a defensive move against fanatics. I look at this like the Yankees and the Red Sox signing a free agent.

SPEAKER 4: Sometimes you got to sign the free agent to keep them away from your rival and you'll figure out what to do with them later. I think that that's sort of the scenario here where that's a great point. Yeah, they had to make sure SGC didn't go to a rival and they'll figure out what to do with them.

SPEAKER 3: I gotta, I gotta respond. I gotta respond to Mookie's comment. Fanatics make seer pants, a good slab. I will say this as someone that loves acetate cards because they're clear and you can see through them. I do not like the fanatic see-through uniforms that there's a line you have to draw somewhere.

SPEAKER 4: Mike Petty says who to collect or sell Golden to.

SPEAKER 4: I don't know if this is, this is definitely not official and definitely not confirmed but everything I'm hearing I is Ebay.

SPEAKER 3: So we did card Matchers did try to buy Golden. We pulled our money together.

SPEAKER 4: We finished second in the B Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So Ken, we almost were Ken, we were almost Ken's boss. We were that close to me and Ken's boss. Yeah, that would have been, that would have been an interesting dynamic.

SPEAKER 4: Well, one of the things is, and, and if you think about it, if you put up a card for sale, let's say you got a PS A 10 Jordan on Ebay, it might sell for 100 and 10,000 on gold and it might sell for 100 and 40,000.

SPEAKER 4: And, and that, and Ebay knows it's one of the problems that they have is they don't compete in the higher end in those types of cards and people don't wanna Ebay those cards. So it'll give them a whole another high-end division. Which, which should be interesting.

SPEAKER 3: I wanted, I joked about this in one of our chat rooms for one of the shows and I wanted Netflix to buy Golden and do a 24 hour live stream with him. So you can be like, hey, and let's do a live looking Ken as he puts on his pants, he's eating Kellogg's red berries. He's yelling at his kid. You know, I wanted like 24 7 like live live droppings on Ken. And I think Ken would have liked that to tell you the truth.

SPEAKER 4: Mike Petty is a big fan of this. It appears Logan says Gold Bay Auction.

SPEAKER 3: Gold Bay. That sounds like a 007 like new movie.

SPEAKER 4: Gold Gold Bay.

SPEAKER 4: I think we just named the next Bond movie.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: Well, you know, they, they had Goldenrod or you know, it was Gold Bay right now we got Gold Bay or, you know, there was octopussy, you know, I, I, I'm a big fan of the Bond movies. All right. So one of the things that, that you and I mentioned, and I can't believe we're already 40 minutes into this is, you know, with.

SPEAKER 3: All, can I do this? Can I do this? Is it too late? Is the joke over? Can I say bid mega bid you can always say megabit.

SPEAKER 3: No, you gotta do it like j like Bond, James Bond big big mega b.

SPEAKER 4: You got Sean Connery.

SPEAKER 3: I, you know, I, I do hang on, I do a Sean Connery impression but I can only say two words when I do it. Whopper. Junior. Whopper junior.

SPEAKER 3: I'm, I'm thinking.

SPEAKER 4: We'll work on that for next show. Brendan says they ought to be on season three now of Ken's next show. Well, yeah. It's I, I'll move on to the next one. Mookie says, Adult drink. John is my favorite. John.

SPEAKER 3: Now, if if I was to like Ken like a Ken Dah series into Barbie, there'd be an adult drink, John John John version in the new in the box.

SPEAKER 4: Your your impression sounds like Schwarzenegger.

SPEAKER 3: Get, get the whopper junior.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, you're closing the whopper junior. That might be better.

SPEAKER 3: I said, I said never.

SPEAKER 3: I said neighbor.

SPEAKER 4: All right. So what would we want integrated company? If, if, if we got to choose now we have this merger, let's say we get to, we, let's say that PS A and SGC are gonna play together.

SPEAKER 4: Let, let's just assume for a second that there's gonna be some sort of merger and, and for the rest, this is hypothetical. We, we don't believe this is gonna happen, but let's say it did, could you get your SGC card slabbed in PS A slabs? Would they honor the grade like.

SPEAKER 3: Over, like just say if you wanted it and vice versa if you want. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, I, I don't know if I, I still want him to look at it. Right. I don't know if I want it to be automatic. I know. Now when you send, like when I send the card for crossover reviewed SGC, let's say 90% doesn't cross over rate.

SPEAKER 3: It's high, it's very rare that they upgrade it, you know. So, you know, what do I wanna see? I, like, I don't like Beckett Grading at this point anymore. But I'd like to see sub grades like, where you don't have to pay extra for them. Like, I like sub grade.

SPEAKER 3: Can I live without them? Sure. I, I am living without him. I don't grade it through Beckett. But would I like to see him as a, as an added value to the, to the grade? Sure. I'd like to know like, what, what made this A nine if I can't really see it like naked eye, right?

SPEAKER 4: You know, and, and here's some, and here's some of the problems. What do you do with the nine fives?

SPEAKER 3: That's a million dollar question.

SPEAKER 4: The scales don't line up. We know that, you know, that.

SPEAKER 3: That is something. And again, what I'm about to say was not from anyone at SGC, but you might see them adopt the same grading scale, even two separate companies. They, that will, might be one of the results of this acquisition. Again, I don't know that, I didn't hear that, but that might be a fallout from the.

SPEAKER 4: A Hobby standard universal grading scale. Brendan Ryan says no more opinion based grades and actual template to follow.

SPEAKER 3: Well, let's, let's say if they do work, it's gonna be an 85% universal grading scale, right? Because they own 85 percent of the market now in the Grady world. So, and in a way it is that, and that's why I wonder if we're gonna see that. I think we're gonna see that.

SPEAKER 4: Well, and that gets back to my ear. Earlier point is if they use the same grading scale, will they honor the crossovers?

SPEAKER 3: I still think you gotta look at the card. Right. You don't wanna get in a situation. I, you know, how many times have we seen, how many times have we seen a card? Graded book 10? And it's not just one company, it's happened to multiple companies, right? And someone posts a picture of that card and it's got a ding corner and you're like, how the hell did that card?

SPEAKER 3: P pull a 10? Like I can see that with my naked eye on a computer in my living room 2500 miles away. How did it, how did a grater put a 10 on that? Right. So I don't want anyone just saying, well, SGC gave it a 9.5. We give it a nine. I want it to be looked at like if it is a 9.5, give it a 9.5. But I want it to be looked at.

SPEAKER 4: I as a separate comment, I would like to see PS A have a nine and a half.

SPEAKER 3: You know, they do have half grades. They just rarely give them out.

SPEAKER 4: Well, no, they don't, they don't have a 9.5. They'll do an 8.5. Not a 9.5.

SPEAKER 3: But that's good to me, I think you're gonna see that. I think is good. Again, this is just a gut punch. This is not insider, trading or insider info. I think they are gonna uniform their grading scales together. Yeah, I have.

SPEAKER 4: Behind me, I have a mcguire 85 Olympic. That's an 8.5. That's the highest half grade they'll use. Then they go to nine and 10. I would like to see that 9.5 because I'd like to see it equal in SGC 9.5. I, you know, I would like to see that consistency.

SPEAKER 3: It is, this is the million dollar question. This is the one question I see a lot since this announcement has been made. Like what is gonna happen with that? I, you know, I think they're gonna, I think they're gonna unify their grading scale when, how soon that remains to be seen? Was I told that, no, that's just a gut hunt.

SPEAKER 4: I would like to see a lot of what they're doing already, you know, with the, with the registry, with SGC.

SPEAKER 4: Ii, I know that there's a million reasons why this is hard and maybe Ryan from Jim Ray can pull it off. But the Universal Registry, you know, it, it's different.

SPEAKER 3: I think your buddy everyone would sign that petition, petition for Universal Universal Graded Card reg why, why wouldn't you want that? Right? It gives you the complete but you know what, I don't care what Universal Registry, even P SAS Registry, it's not a, you know, it's not foolproof, right.

SPEAKER 3: People crack cards out of slabs and resell it sometimes to different companies. So something's listed as a PS A nine that's now in an, you know, a Beckett slab as a 10 or, or an SG slab as a 9.5. But it's still on, it's still on PS A, no one's calling PS A and say, hey, you know that nine you graded, take it off because I just sent it to SGC and they got a 9.5.

SPEAKER 4: So some people mail the labels back. Not many.

SPEAKER 3: No one mails the labels back. This isn't a church of Latter Day SAGES commercial.

SPEAKER 3: No one is mailing. Listen, if anyone has ever crossed over and mailed the old label back, I want you on the next Sports Coin Nation. You better not lie when you're going before I even put you on a, I'm gonna get a lie detector test from a garage sale and you're gonna from a garage sale.

SPEAKER 4: I like that.

SPEAKER 3: A Yeah, there's plenty of those.

SPEAKER 4: Brian says PS A we need to make their 10 stricter to have 95. Well, I think that's part of it is anything above a nine right now gets a 10. So dividing the those up between 9.5 and tens would be, would be interesting.

SPEAKER 4: But A PS A 9.5 would price very well in the market.

SPEAKER 4: Brendan Ryan says with our luck PS A will just introduce an 8.75 grade to quiet the angry village jurors.

SPEAKER 3: That's because the Russian judge that it would have been a nine but the Russian judge deducted a point they didn't stick to landing.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, they probably arrested the other judge also.

SPEAKER 3: He's bruised and bad.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's where the 8.75 comes in.

SPEAKER 4: Orlando.

SPEAKER 4: My petty says Orlando, I may have a couple of Kellogg's nines.

SPEAKER 3: Speaking of that, man, I have a, a 19 eighties, Kellogg's 3d set that I bought. This is, I didn't just get this. I got this in a collection by about two years ago. These things are the nicest Kellogg between setter, no cracks.

SPEAKER 3: This thing is, is and I almost think they, when I looked at these, when I bought the collection, I thought these were fake. That's how nice they are. They exactly. I thought, man, these are, these gotta be FG Well, all right enough of that.

SPEAKER 4: I A PS A is running a ticket and pack rating sale this month. What's that? PS A is running a ticket sale and.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, after I said some and, and a ticket in.

SPEAKER 4: Well, that's my point. They waited until you sent it in.

SPEAKER 3: I sent it in. Let's run the Special.

SPEAKER 4: Women's History Month. I got this card.

SPEAKER 4: Hey Didrikson. And this is from the Olympics 1932 1936.

SPEAKER 3: We got the guy but I've already had him on the show. So I can't, you know, I can have him on again. But let to this comment, I have handed crack PS A labels back to both Joe and Orlando and Steve Sloan at the National in the past.

SPEAKER 3: I want the pop report to be a little more. There you go. Well, listen, that's honesty is the, you know, honesty is the best policy. You're the only, you gotta be one of the few. The proud the turn in my old flips, you know.

SPEAKER 4: You know, but you, I appreciate that.

SPEAKER 4: Babe Didrikson.

SPEAKER 3: It looks a little like you, you, you close one eye, you got a B Bruce Jenner. Was you close one eye?

SPEAKER 4: Bruce Jenner has a better body.

SPEAKER 3: Wow, we don't. Oh, I see what you're doing there.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, see I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a progressive guy.

SPEAKER 4: All right, we, we're on the home stretch here. So John, after two days home stretch with adult drink, John, there is after two days of talking about this, after two days of talking about this.

SPEAKER 3: I haven't told you about it in two days.

SPEAKER 4: Well, you, you've been talking about.

SPEAKER 3: It, not publicly. This is the part I haven't done any podcast about it. This is gonna air Monday as far as audio goes. It's airing now, obviously live so I haven't talked for this.

SPEAKER 3: All right. So, yeah, don't lump me in with your crew.

SPEAKER 4: You're lumped in baby. You're, you're lump, you lump like crab meat.

SPEAKER 3: The one thing before you ask me, whatever you're gonna ask me, I wanna bring this up too because I haven't heard enough people mention this. What's something we're talking about in 2 to 3 years? PS A can absorb SGC and make them go away? Right? Also in two or three year, right?

SPEAKER 3: They can build SGC up in a couple of years and do what with them, sell them, sell them and make a profit, right? So that don't, don't take that option up. Don't, don't pu that option. I'm not, again, I'm not predicting that I'm just saying that can happen too.

SPEAKER 4: I, I will tell you what I, one of the things I was told and I don't know if this is gonna come to fruition, you know, right away, but I was told that there's a chance that SGC is used as a special niche of the grading. So pre you know, for an example, if it's pre-war it goes to SGC.

SPEAKER 3: As a fan of SGC, I, I'm, I wouldn't sign up, they're gonna be happen. Sure.

SPEAKER 4: I guess it all, all, all vintage, you know, gets goes to SGC and modern and trading card games go to PS A.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, but does PS A want to not do vintage cards.

SPEAKER 4: Well, they own both now.

SPEAKER 3: So that's for me. Ii, I get that point. I, I'm not saying it's impossible but I don't think people usa wants to give up, a complete market share by purchasing another company. Why would you acquire another company and then, then give them a Porsche that much of your business?

SPEAKER 3: I don't see that. Is it because, you know, is it possible? Sure, because Kevin Garnett told me it was, he said anything's possible. I don't know if he was talking about this, but he did say that.

SPEAKER 4: So, I mean, I say, II, I think the possibilities are certainly certainly interesting.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, this is Logan makes a great point there with the, the Strengthens Collectors portfolio if they decide to go public. Right. Right. In 2 to 3, they, they, they really build SGC up and then they say who wants to buy them? Right. And someone buys.

SPEAKER 4: Them well to, to Logan's Point and, and Jonath, like I said this off air to you. Yeah, this is pretty much what's happening, Logan, you have to.

SPEAKER 3: Nail that the PS A Collectors has, has mentioned this in, in, in public, in, in conversations in print that this was something they were looking at. So it's not a secret.

SPEAKER 4: Per S E Mike Petty says, that would be funny if we did a, Danny and John versus Mookie and Mike Petty according to Orlando and man, that's a tough, that would be tough there.

SPEAKER 3: Those are two funny guys.

SPEAKER 3: Pet.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know. I don't know if I have an A game. I don't know if I have an, a game at this point in my life, but I definitely would have to develop one. And I don't know if that's possible.

SPEAKER 3: Kevin Garnett. Kevin Garnett, I did say anything is possible.

SPEAKER 4: So Mike says that Friday night live streams are lacking.

SPEAKER 4: I want to do a hard drinking show on Friday nights, Mike, Mike. We're here baby every other Friday night, we're.

SPEAKER 3: Here for whiskey review and we'll do whiskey reviews. We'll add that as a.

SPEAKER 4: I love this PS A black label. So many ways it could go love the idea of that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, man. I mean, something's gonna, we're gonna see something, right? We're gonna see something.

SPEAKER 4: Can we draft Logan to our team if we do this battle? We Logan was if, if he's left out, so we'll take, we'll, we'll draft Logan.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, we'll have a talking head draft. Yeah, I wanna have Mel Kiper. We're gonna have to Mel Kiper to like chop up the film and do so I, I want, if we do this, we gotta have Todd Mcshay, we gotta have Todd Mcshay and Mel Kiper.

SPEAKER 3: And I want, because I want Mel Kiper to be like Todd, Todd, Todd, we're sleeping on this Logan Ward guy. I've watched the film he knows a lot more than just racing cards. People don't give him enough credit. The guy's a sleeper.

SPEAKER 4: Pick Mookie saying I would want Logan. He's a killer.

SPEAKER 4: The problem with Logan is he only makes left turns.

SPEAKER 3: The problem with Logan. Logan knows all Sports and I, I do think he gets like a bad rap because his name sounds like a race car driver. Right? How more much of a race Logan Ward? Like if it's like if I'm watching like cars five and like one of the, hey, that's, well, Logan Ros on the track, like I wouldn't even blink an eye like it just makes sense before.

SPEAKER 4: Car goes by Logan Ward holding tight ground stretch. They're gonna be.

SPEAKER 3: A, a racing car driver name like I is a big name. We love, listen, we love lo Logan knows this. We love Logan.

SPEAKER 4: Logan is a card man. She's lo I.

SPEAKER 3: Told them I've told him that to his face. So he knows what I think.

SPEAKER 4: Jimmy, the Greek will drop the odds. Yeah, it's been, it's been a minute on.

SPEAKER 3: Jimmy the Greek. I'm old enough to remember him. That's, that's the scar. I'm old enough to.

SPEAKER 4: Remember watching what he said.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that too.

SPEAKER 4: Could or walk.

SPEAKER 4: My prediction is they consolidate operations and offer the submitter the choice of encapsulation in a Tuxedo or PS A blister pack.

SPEAKER 4: Maybe one day, not right away.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you know, I think the first thing and again, this is just pure speculation on my part. I think the first thing we see is they combine their rating scales and come up with their, a unified one. When is it next week? Is it a year from now? I don't know. But I think that's the.

SPEAKER 4: First thing and I'm gonna, I'll say it right now is we're going to see the, SGC registry.

SPEAKER 4: And, and, and a universal checklist. I think that's gonna be that and the counterfeiting measures which we may or may not know about publicly.

SPEAKER 3: No, no one asked me, you know, being, being an SGC bulk submitter, I got my mailbox was full man. That's I had a snow day Thursday. I was answering emails and DM si had one guy that, that bulk subs last month with me, he's waiting for his cards to come back and he, he legitimately, I told you this story before we record not in a joke.

SPEAKER 3: He sort of way. He asked me John with, with this acquisition. Does that mean the cards I submitted to you for STCB sub will now come back and PS A labels he legitimately wanted to know like it wasn't tongue in cheek, you know, and I had to explain to him, no, it's there. They got submitted to STC. They, they'll be an STC holders.

SPEAKER 3: But, you know, a lot of people don't know. Right. Or they want to, like, what is gonna happen? Here's, you know, and a lot of people ask me, is this good or bad or both? And so here's my answer to that. When I get asked that I think they're gonna be some good things, with this and, but they're not all gonna be good.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, that's to sit here and say everything's gonna be roses and daisies and hummingbirds flying around, Pollinating flowers in Pleasantville. No, it's, it's not. And, and I've been in this Hobby long enough to know that, that rarely or if never, if ever happens and it won't happen here.

SPEAKER 3: We've got to like, I think some folks in the Hobby, like, if one thing isn't great, they just blow it up and say this sucks and it's terrible. We gotta quit doing that. Right. We gotta look at the big picture. So everything coming from, this is not gonna be bad and everything coming from, this is not going to be good.

SPEAKER 3: It's gonna be both, I guess it comes down to will the good outweigh the bad, bad when it comes, you know, it's like a scale. Will there be more good lift, you know, weighing the scale down than bad? And that's, that's where the real verdict, comes in and it's too early. It's too early to, to render a verdict. So, absolutely.

SPEAKER 4: Mookie says John's writing a long fortune cookie.

SPEAKER 3: No. Iiii I cut it short. I, I cut shorter than my normal soapbox man. I got, I cut to the chase.

SPEAKER 4: Well, II, I, you know, we're in overtime here and I know John, you don't believe in overtime. We can keep going forever.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I mean, II, I like to make sure I, I cross you.

SPEAKER 4: Have all your, I wanna make sure we hit all your points.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I just wanted to just make sure that people know a couple of things. This is not a monopoly, it is a heavy market share. It's not a monopoly. You taught me something. I didn't know I'm taking business law co courses right now.

SPEAKER 3: I just hasn't come up yet if it will come up. But a monopoly also has to deal with the purchase price, which I don't agree with. I know that's true. But based on what something sells for also is a factor. Whether there can be a, a case for monopoly, this won't cost qualify.

SPEAKER 3: So this is not a monopoly. You're gonna get, you see a lot of Clickbait on shows, right? Monopoly, stop the monopoly. This is the end monopoly, right?

SPEAKER 4: I'm getting ready for the next two hours. I'm doing my stretch.

SPEAKER 3: All right. You ready?

SPEAKER 3: All right. Go. All right. So at that one point, the other point is one I already made. Don't be shocked. I'm not predicting it, but in 23 years, right, Collectors can, can sell and to see somebody else who, that somebody else, I don't know.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not predicting it. I'm just saying you can, you can build it up to make a profit and then get, and then, and then, you know, just like they did with Golden, right? They bought Golden, they sold Golden, they can do that with SGC.

SPEAKER 4: So a couple, a couple of thoughts real quick. I wonder if they made money on Golden because they bought them at the peak and they're selling them in a down market. So I, I'm just curious, I, I don't know, but I, I'd be curious what, what those numbers really are also.

SPEAKER 4: I think that fanatics got into the game at the peak also and I think unless something really blows them away, they're focusing on cards for the next couple of years now to your 0.2 years from now, all of this could change. Sure.

SPEAKER 3: And we, that's the other, you may, you know, that would probably be if I had a third bullet point. That's it. Right. We, a lot of things can happen here. You, we, I cannot sit here and tell people this is what's gonna go down. I, I, and, and I wouldn't do that. We can only speculate this can go a lot of different ways. I, and as an SGC fan, I just hope the best, right?

SPEAKER 3: Because you want them to exist, right? I don't want to talk about in three years, talk about SGC in the past tense.

SPEAKER 3: You know, if, if Collector sells SGC, my worst nightmare would be, it's to fanatics in three years because I've already stated my thoughts on that and how I would proceed if something like that would happen.

SPEAKER 4: So one of the stats that Ryan gave me when I talked to him earlier was SGC right now is as big as PS A was before the pandemic. Man.

SPEAKER 3: That's why I say that number two with no disrespect to CGC. And, and, and, and it also shady and.

SPEAKER 4: I sure see how much PS A grew after the pandemic. You know, everybody.

SPEAKER 3: Grew, everybody grew post pandemic. Now, things are settling back down here. Everybody grew.

SPEAKER 4: Here's a good fortune cookie. Orlando says, just keep collecting a.

SPEAKER 3: Great point by Orlando. Orlando is a smart man and his comments illustrate that mine don't. But his, do you know, have fun, right? Ii, I have fun in this Hobby, you know, you know, you, you know, you have so many different ways to, to Hobby, right?

SPEAKER 3: If you don't like fanatics and, and what they, what they're gonna produce, you can buy cards already printed. You can just collect vintage, which I really pretty much do now. Anyway. So, you know, you, you, you don't have to buy anything. You don't have to grade anything if you don't want to, right? You have option.

SPEAKER 3: There's people who don't grade cars that just think gradings a money grab, I get it. You know, you can change your mind when Grady first hit the, the card market. I thought it was dumb and it was a money grab. Now, I've since obviously done a 180 on that take. That's the beauty. We can change our minds.

SPEAKER 3: So you don't have to, you don't have to participate in something you don't enjoy. And I, and I, I think that's what Orlando's saying there. Right. Just have fun or whatever, you know. So, you know, you want to, however you want a Hobby you're to see.

SPEAKER 4: Here's the thing, you know, we got co read this comment because this is exactly a compliment to you hobbing how you want a Hobby.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Hey, guys, this is David Temple from Pittsburgh. I really enjoyed tonight's discussion. John, I received your package today and thank you very much for the sweet hockey cards and kind words and, and, you know, that's David Ko, I and, Scott, he's dealing with some stuff in a family day.

SPEAKER 3: I won't go into details. That's his business, but it's not a good thing. And I wanted to do a little something, something and, and little things like that and, and other people do them too. It, it's a beau.

SPEAKER 4: I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk here because you did the kind act, that this is part of the Hobby. It didn't matter if it's P SAS GC. You reached out to another human being and you use cards to make a, yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Man, that's, well, look, listen, I know this isn't Sports carnation. Right. But what's the tagline of that show? Right. The Hobby is the people. Right. I know we're all here because we, we're all card Collectors. We all have a passion for the Hobby. Right. But there wouldn't be a Hobby without the people in the Hobby. Right. So, that's where that Hobby is.

SPEAKER 3: The people that's not, I'm not belittling the cards. That's the common thread. But the, the stories behind the cards, right. How we acquired something. So, and so gave me the, that finished my set. So, and so gave me this out of the kindness of their heart, you know? No, no questions asked those, those sort of stories. And you can't put a price on that. Right.

SPEAKER 3: And as much as I love my Jackie Leaf Rookie, I have 10 to $20 cards. I, I have stories that go a, a along with maybe even more so than just buying, an expensive Jackie Rookie. Some of the stories with those lesser cards if you will, but less than an air quote, have bigger stories behind them than just plunking down, you know, a transact a big transaction. So you can have it whatever way you want.

SPEAKER 3: You don't like PS A, you don't send to them, you don't like SGC, you don't send to them, you like CGC, better than those two you can send, you know, that's, we have choices and that's, you don't like modern cards. Go to a show and buy everything that's already been made, for years and years, right? You don't like vintage. You're, you're crazy, but that's a whole separate show.

SPEAKER 3: Then buy, buy the latest flashy Golden chrome shimmer, clear acetate, one of one super fracture that there's four of taco fracture. Knock, knock yourself out whopper fracture. Little Caesar fracture, whatever, you know, pizza, pizza fracture. Wendy's fracture, bacon, a refractor, whatever refractor. I'm so, whatever your thing is, right.

SPEAKER 3: The, the thing I always say, Danny, you've, you've heard me say that as long as you're, you're not robbing someone or, or doing something immoral or illegal Hobby your way. Right. That's, there's no wrong way to Hobby as long as, above board or, and the other thing you say it's never too late for a, hamburger. I said that, I don't remember saying that but I like it. I credit for it.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I might be going out after this. You've made me so hungry, talking about food.

SPEAKER 3: I have, I'm, I'm full, I'm full. I had a big lunch and I couldn't even finish, my Chinese food. So, you know. All right, my friend here's the thing, you know, there's a lot of people that, you know, this is big news.

SPEAKER 3: I don't wanna like poo poo. It either but it is big news. But, like, you know, there's a lot of, like, the sky is falling, the world's ending. The hot sucks. The Hobby is dead. It's over cash in, you know, get rid of your cards.

SPEAKER 3: No, Orlando.

SPEAKER 3: You know.

SPEAKER 3: Have it your way. I, I've stove the Burger King logo and I did a Hobby.

SPEAKER 4: But I think that could be the, that could be the, the, the, tagline for the Hobby. Have it your way.

SPEAKER 3: Have it your way. I want credit for that because I, I think I was the first, I like that. I noticed, maybe someone else has.

SPEAKER 4: But Brendan, your check is in the mail. Thank you.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. You know, here's the thing, man, the Hobby is, you know, when we got the National, we're one day closer. Right. And I'm not gonna do a whole show. We're not, we will at some point, but not tonight. Right. We think about the National Net Week and we see everybody, we go to dinner, we hang out, we go to a, a guard. I almost said Indians, we go to a Guardian's game. Right. It's, it's the cards, plus.

SPEAKER 3: Right. And so Hobby in a way that makes you happy. I'm not saying you have to like everything that happens. You know, when this deal was announced, I'm sure there were some people that are like, this sucks. I hate this. I get it. Right. You're entitled to that opinion as a human being. But you can do things and still be active in the Hobby and if that's, you don't like that, you just avoid it.

SPEAKER 3: You don't, again, like I said, you don't like grading, don't grade, you like grading? Great. You like vintage? You don't like modern new vintage. You like modern, you don't like vintage. You got options. There's more than one road, right. There's a lot of forks in the road, take whatever fork in the road that you enjoy driving on, and enjoy the Hobby.

SPEAKER 3: You know, when someone tells me, like, I'm getting out or I do, I'm not enjoying the Hobby. John, I said there's gotta be a way, there's gotta be some other way where the Hobby could still be enjoyable. I, I find hard to believe. I'm sure there are some people get maybe burnt out or they've just had enough and it's time to move on. But, you know, I've had days where I'm like, you know, I don't want to touch cards today.

SPEAKER 3: You take a day or two off and then you, you, you kind of reignite it and then you go, you come back to it, right? I, I get that, I've done it myself.

SPEAKER 4: So, well, I gotta tell you, I like the, the chat room was fantastic tonight guys.

SPEAKER 3: The chat room always. Well, I'll say this man and, and it's not lip service. We talk even before we go live that we know how much the chat room means to us and how much it means to the show and how important it is. And it may not be the largest chat room on, on the live feed. But it, to me it's the best one. We see a lot of familiar names that keep coming back, from the bottom of my heart.

SPEAKER 3: That means a lot. And, and I thank you. It's Friday night. You can be doing a lot of other things yet. You're, you're here, you know, yacking it up and, and, and cutting it up with us and, we appreciate that and, you don't have to be here and, and, and you are, and I don't not realize that, when we're doing the show and, it's, it's important, important, you know, thats off to you guys. Absolutely.

SPEAKER 4: Dylan welcome. He said he got here just in time for the parade.

SPEAKER 3: He got in at the right time and then we're gonna wrap it up. He's like, see if fellas, thank you, Dylan.

SPEAKER 4: We were supposed to be done that.

SPEAKER 3: Soliloquy. I just delivered that Soliloquy I just delivered was for everyone who was here for like more than 50% of the show. I still love you Dylan, but that didn't apply to you.

SPEAKER 4: He said sorry, I missed this one live, whatever it is. Dylan, I'm sure that you were doing something more beautiful. And more fun. So, Orlando, you guys do so much for the Hobby. Thank you. No, Orlando, thank you.

SPEAKER 4: You're doing a philo.

SPEAKER 3: Everyone, you know everyone in the chat room, man, it makes us laugh. It makes they make us think. Many times they, they make points that I didn't even think about that. Maybe me, makes me think about things, right? They're funny. We, we cut up, we talk about pop culture. It got me thinking about Marissa Tomei later as well.

SPEAKER 3: So you know, don't tell my wife although you know that game you play with your spouse if you're married, like you can pick one person like you get a cheat date with. If you ever played that, Marissa Tomei, my answer to when my wife asked, you know what hers was. Well, it's been a pleasure here. Ray Liotta was her pick years ago when he was, that was still Yoda. Is that what you said? No, Ray Ray Liotta. Ray Liotta. Ok.

SPEAKER 4: I was gonna say she could learn that.

SPEAKER 3: My speech started to slur. I said Ray Liotta, not Ray Yoda. It, it's my hearing.

SPEAKER 4: I wasn't sure.

SPEAKER 4: Look, he said that's a game question Mark.

SPEAKER 3: There is a thing where like someone will ask their spouse, hey, if I let you, you get one night, it's gotta be a celebrity who it is. Who would you pick? So I said Marissa Tomei to that question. My wife said Ray Leota in response in reverse for itself somewhere.

SPEAKER 4: Maris, the time of laughing at you guys.

SPEAKER 3: I hope not because Laray, unfortunately Ray Leota is not with us no more and you know, I don't want that to happen.

SPEAKER 4: Yoda, thank you.

SPEAKER 3: I used to when I was younger I could do a really good Yoda impression. I'm not even gonna try. It would be ter it'll probably just sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger again.

SPEAKER 4: So Logan said, my wife said carrot top.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: All right.

SPEAKER 4: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm calling in on, on, on that one before we get into spouse games here.

SPEAKER 3: Doctor Beck. I, I just, Doctor Beckett's listening to this part and like what the hell is going on?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, that's all, you know what I'm gonna, I'm gonna end on this one. Cooter says that's why I love cards. They don't yell at me when I lust after other cards.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, true.

SPEAKER 3: It's true. A lot of great points. That's why the chat room is beautiful.

SPEAKER 4: So I, I will humbly say we are the best live card men show on every other Friday night that no one can take that belt away.

SPEAKER 3: Absolutely. And if they try, there's a copywriter. So, absolutely.

SPEAKER 4: Well, John say good night, John.

SPEAKER 3: Good night, John.

SPEAKER 4: See you guys in two weeks. Thank you for the best chat room and the best show on, on, on YouTube not the best show.

SPEAKER 3: The best chat room chat room on you. We can't, we can't like crown ourselves. We'll crown the chat room.

SPEAKER 4: Well, the, the best chat room and the best half drunk, house, on you.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not even, I'm not even close. I'm just fun. Don't, don't mistake having fun for inebriate, inebriation or whatever the word is.

SPEAKER 4: You just proved your point.

SPEAKER 3: I can say my A B CS backwards. You wanna see CDC D?

SPEAKER 4: We're done. Good night.