Card Mensches E3 Do You Like It Raw?

hi I'm Danny black and I'm John Newman welcome to card matches
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oh hello I am Danny black and that is John Newman welcome to episode number three of card munches John I know you're
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in the middle of something so uh thanks for uh sticking your head up a second yeah I'm watching uh I'm watching an
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auction I'm trying to win on eBay some old uh vintage boxing it's actually a
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complete set of 1938 I hope I just didn't like screw myself uh saying that
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it's got like three about three minutes left so let me uh pull up my tab
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um under five minutes so uh I'm gonna give us the play-by-play
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and uh you know it worked out well because we wanted to talk about how to buy cards that are not graded and how to
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buy raw cards and so John John coincidentally had an auction ending tonight so we said let's just go live
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and get the live play-by-play and see if he wins this um but in the meantime welcome to
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episode three uh we are the card mensches and a if you don't know I mention uh we believe it's a kind
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thoughtful and honorable person and we'd like to believe that inside the hobby uh we are full of benches so uh we'd like
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to share that love and pass it Forward uh however you're buying boxing cards so
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uh if you can multitask here tell us what you're trying to buy on eBay and
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once again these are wrong because we're talking about buying ungraded tonight yeah it's a 1938 churchman's boxing
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that's a uh English English comp company uh back in the day they I don't believe
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they exist anymore cigarettes so they're cigarette cards much like the old vintage here that we're familiar uh with
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uh you know in the states it's just uh you know a UK company uh 10 cigarettes
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in a pack and uh they put one of these cards in between
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the 10 cigarettes so there'd be a row of five cigarettes to one card which is like a t206 size and then the other five
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cigarettes and uh it's a 50 Card Set uh I actually
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I don't want to run out of time but I will put some up um they this is the the card this is
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almost a full set it's 47 of the 50. no I'm in rubber band the cards they're in
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little t206 uh top loaders uh and so it's that set but it's complete
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um and I'll still try to uh complete the other one as well we're down to under a
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minute so I'm I'm I may look like I'm looking at you but I'm actually looking at the the auction screen yeah I'll I'll
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take I'll take over here so are you the high bidder I'm you trying to answer this yet I want to be I'm going to be
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the sniper here if I get this okay how high over the bid are you gonna go
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uh I'd try to win this thing
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um you know I'll talk a little bit more about specifics whether I win or lose it either way uh but obviously I'm on the
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track not place the bid you're you're in the final seconds where are we on the clock
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80 Seconds I am I am typing he's sniping he's sniping
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if you guys ever want to know who steals your cards you're watching it happen let's see if he wins this is for the
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churchman's boxing complete set and John is buying them raw
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I believe this is off of eBay and part of our conversation is buying
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cards Raw so we're watching John live bid on auction that is ending right now
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oh my God I didn't get my bid in in time oh see sniper snipers
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like I I don't know I did it with seven seconds I bet I want to do in the show
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wow and the bid never went up from what it was that's crazy that's
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that sounds like now some sort of uh rigmarur I don't know if I believe that
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that's weird I'm not gonna lie yeah very disappointed well
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look boy and we'll talk about talk about anti-climatic right well so the whole
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point is you were willing to buy a whole set raw off of eBay and this would not have qualified for
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the authenticity guarantee correct well unless it goes over 250 which I wasn't going I wasn't going to bid which
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uh man I bid with seven seconds apparently that's not enough time
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all right so uh yeah double double G vintage seven
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seconds man I wait till one second I got news for today I know I'm always scared that
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that's Dylan hey Dylan I'm always scared to wait too close like where you you
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what just happened with seven seconds apparently that's my big fear we're leaving uh too you know too little time
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on the clock if you will so uh this one uh this one stings a little because I
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feel better if like I I know I didn't win but I'd actually feel a little bit
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better if like the bid went up like no one else how many bits were there uh in
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the auction two two so
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there was two bids none of them were mine I didn't get mine uh in on time
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apparently so well I gotta tell you this is this is fantastic podcasting YouTube here okay there's nothing like talking
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to a guy who's watching a screen who just lost an auction all right I'm done
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watching the screen no no I feel sorry you lost out on that uh but the whole
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point is why would you feel comfortable buying buying a set online
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um because it's not rated and and we've been having a lot of graded conversations in the hobby recently
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well I mean number one I I think you gotta trust someone right I know you
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know you can't trust everybody we especially the last couple years uh with
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with the news cycle right but this particular set if you want me to be even specific to this set this is not a a
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fake really a fake kind of uh set um the one thing you want to watch with
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these Churchman boxing sets is in 1990 they actually did A reproduction set
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which looks just like the original except on the back on the bottom where
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it says like property of like churchmen cigarettes the reproduction says says uh reproduce
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1990 but very subtle very subtle uh well if you didn't know that it was there you
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you could get duped and uh I matter of fact I almost bid on a reproduction set
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until I really looked at the pictures closely uh it it wasn't in the title was
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in the description so the title said you know 1938 churchman's boxing set but
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when you read the description it said this is the 1990 reproduced uh version
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and that's what tipped me off so I wish eBay would make you know put it in the
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title because if someone didn't open that description and maybe that's what even happened I I obviously didn't bid
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on it but someone else might have bid on it and thought they were getting a whole set I I think the other the
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other way to tell Danny you know this right sometimes if it's too good to be true
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um it is right so if the bidding you know if you're bidding on something and
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it's just the bidding it's like just way too cheap that's sometimes a red flag right
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um see I'm the right if it's too cheap or too expensive it makes me uncomfortable I I've never bought
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something at a price where I say okay that must be right yeah no I'm I'm sort of the same way but
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um you know it is sometimes you just gotta like take a leap of faith I know it's a
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little dramatic but um obviously if you if you're dealing with like a a a single card that's of
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significance you know Orion rookie uh Manos you you obviously now you got
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officer may not even be you know may not be a reprint it may be an original car but now you got like the trimming Factor
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you know and everyone thinks trimming is like the whole side it could be just
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even a corner uh carved the road to get out a a crease and make the car thinner
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it is it's hard it's hard it's listen you don't think it's hard how many times you hear a Grading Company slabs a trim
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card or an altered card right they get full too so all right so let's let's
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help people let's give them better advice than take a leap and you might get screwed so we're better than that so
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we're out there can you go to buy a roll card let's start with with the the
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biggest one is eBay's off authenticity guarantee and right what is it 250 or 300 right
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now minimum price it's 250 but it's it's rumored to come down okay so they come
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down to like 150. they'll back you up on a raw card I believe people well yeah they won't
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even set they it has to go through there authentication authentication first so you hear you know people say hey I
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bought the card but I never got it set because eBay deemed it not not adequate
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but you get your money money back yep yeah it gets the transaction gets reversed right kind of sucks because you
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don't get the card you were hoping to own but at the same time at least you're not duped out of your money and and then
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have to you know try to try to fight it back okay and the authenticity is
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certainly part of it but how about the condition of the card if you're buying a card and and you have to start talking
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about good very good excellent I mean grading is so subjective when you start using numbers without numbers
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um it opens up a whole other can of worms I found it interesting that pwcc partnered with Mike Baker to do some
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authenticating of their raw cards and and sort of an evaluation um for the I guess the eye appeal for of
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the raw cards that they've done before with graded cards how do you feel about the eye appeal when you're not in person
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because I want to come back to in person well you can look at the scans that the
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person uploaded but you can also request additional scans right you can if you're interested in the card if it's on a
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selling platform or an auction site you can contact the seller and say hey I'm
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potentially interested in buying this card or bidding on this card can you get
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me better pictures of you know all the corners the top right corner I think I see you know you might
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not say that to the person like I think I see something you might just say hey can I get a closer picture of the top
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right corner please um your best bet if you're contacting him anyway is just requesting even more
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pictures uh and that sort of thing you can ask questions it's even more than pictures Danny you can ask you know the
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owner the car to Providence where does it for can I ask you how do you obtain it where is it from where did you get it
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it's not so much this is true on eBay also yeah yeah I mean you might you know I
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think it's rude to say hey how much did you pay and how did you get it I think you can ask how you got it without
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asking them if it's a rare item I I wouldn't do it on a on a uh on the uh
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tops crew yeah I would never it's bad it's bad etiquette to say hey what what do you got into it right yeah sometimes
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I've had people tell me you know when you're trying to negotiate a price and you maybe you make an offer and they're
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like hey I got more into it myself than what you're what you're offer me I can't do that right
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um so um but you generally you don't want to say hey what did you buy it for what did
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you give up uh for but you you can request information where did you get it
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was it a trade was it from your dad's collection like what's the provenance of
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the card um you can request additional uh pictures it's not a good thing to do but you
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could say you know I see it what looks like a small crease in the lower left corner is that what it is
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you know it's I mean you can do that you know they're gonna say no you don't they might say no and you can you say well
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can I get a closer uh picture then to see what's giving me that impression
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that there is a crease uh there you know you if it's in a sleeve you can ask you
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know can you take a picture of it not in the sleeve or not in the semi-rigid OR
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top loader um you know and if someone refuses to do some of that you know then they may lose
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a sale that's you know obviously their their choice but um you know you can you can ask questions I
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mean nothing beats I think most people will will agree on this right you I know you will uh for what you you know what
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you do for for work like nothing beats seeing it in person right having it in yeah even pulling out magnification and
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and looking at it right um so you know anytime you buy something sight unseen
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it's it's it's really a leap of faith until you get it in your hands right and
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I've had that sort of transaction go both ways right I've bought a card
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that looked better in the skin and when I got it it you know wasn't terrible but it wasn't as as great as I initially
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thought it might be and I've had that go the other way too like the pleasant surprise like hey I'm buying this card
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the scans weren't great but I still got a you know a good price on it and then
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you get the card and it's actually in better condition than you kind of envisioned it with maybe some bad scan
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so that can you know it's crazy but that can actually work uh sort of in Reverse
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uh too I mean not often but it has happened with cards I bought one yeah I
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had a bad experience that's part of the reason I wanted to talk about this today was I got this 57 Eddie Matthews I'm
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working on the 57 set um and I looked at all the scans looked
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at all the pictures uh it was given an arbitrary near-mint uh
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kind of designation uh I truly believe this card was pressed or cut now that I
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have it um it didn't qualify for you know any authentication program and you know it's
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from my Personal Collection so I you know personally I don't care a ton um I'd like to replace it one day I'm a
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little peeved you know I'm at a couple bucks it is in Eddie Matthews 57. um but but that's I guess that's the
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issue is is I'm putting together a set some of these cards are going to be
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twenty to a hundred dollars they're not going to qualify I'm not going to get them graded you know are there sites
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that we trust better as as raw buyers you know or is it the old-fashioned you
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go to a lot of shows because when you pick up a card and you touch it and you smell it you can tell that it's not the
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92 reprint you know from when it's in your hands a lot easier I mean eBay with their authentication uh
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now in place is a little bit safer than it was uh previously
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um you know any any platform that offers sort of uh you know a money back guarantee type game even if it's not
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like eBay's uh authentication but where like if you feel like you didn't get
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what was represented online uh when you when you finally get it right and
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there's certain cards you know I know we're talking heavy vintage here there's certain cards Danny that I won't buy
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almost raw anymore and so one that one that really stands out to me and I own
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some they're all graded um it's the 2011 uh you know trout update uh rookie uh and I'll I've told
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this story on my podcast a lot of people don't know about this this is actually something people should know about
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yeah so this is a heavy heavy fugazi card like their people have made
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counterfeits of this tops you know did their their retro where they made uh a
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card that still looks like the original but it's it's it's a an anniversary uh
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card uh but uh you know a dealer friend of mine at a show we were both set up we
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weren't next to each other so I didn't see the deal but he's like hey man I just bought these 10 Mike Trout uh
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update rookies all from one guy and he handed them to me he said what do you
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think and I'm like well you got to get him you just get them all graded you know and um
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you know how you did and uh you know he goes what do you think they're great at you know give me you think I got shots
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at nines and tens at least and I gave him a quick look I didn't take him out of the top loaders they were in top
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loaders I said they looking pretty most of them look like they got a shot at at
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all nines and tens I don't see anything that you know you know screams like up
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ding corn or anything like that so make a long story short or he sent them in I
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think they were he sent the PSA all 10 of them seven of them came back as fakes
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three were graded I think he got 110 and two nines but seven came back unslabbed
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as uh not authentic so he bought 10 and and seven were fakes
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and we talked about it after the fact and you know and I agree with him he says you know John I don't even think
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the seller uh that sold them to me knew they were fakes I think he got them from
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somebody and was flipping them uh to me and uh
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you know now you could argue like with the 10 and this was when Mike Trout update rookies were bringing even more
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so than they are now we all know prices have sort of settled down so he didn't I
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think in the end he didn't if he lost money it wasn't as bad as it could have been because of the one that did grade a
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10 um but obviously when you send in 10 cards and you get seven of them back on
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slabbed as as fakes you know that that one stings a little bit so
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um you know there's I Trout the trout scares me because I looked at and here's
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why I say that I looked at those 10 cards before he sent them in yep and I
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you know I've seen fake ones before where I've spotted them these didn't set off any of those alarms yet seven of
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them were still fake uh to PSA so you know if I'm ever if anyone ever brings
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me a like a trout update at a show or whatnot I I one or two things I'll either you
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know I want a graded one or uh I'll buy I'll I'll buy it on condition like hey
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I'll pay for it to get great let's agree on a price I'll send it in for grading I'll pay for
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the grading if it comes back authentic and graded we'll I'll pay that price if
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it doesn't I'm not right and uh you know and uh that's that's just one of those
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cards I know it's not a vintage error card but uh and they're vintage error
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cards too that were are the same way the Ryan rookie is classic for a lot of
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fakes out there you know well I'm gonna I'm gonna give an example of something that happened to me because my wife
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pulled a card out of a pack so let you open a good old-fashioned pack of cards and you get a card out of the pack you
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assume it's real you assume everything's authentic but I don't want to pay to get it graded so
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how do I learn about the card you know and the card she pulled with I'll go
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modern on you is a trinity Rodman autographed rookie so I if I want to sell this
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how do I give that Comfort other than selling it through eBay
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you know to to a to a buyer if I set up at a show or somebody's selling it a show that's a that's a hard card to
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prove um and I'll give a shout out to one of our sponsors Center Stage um I did actually use their app to scan
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to link to a previous eBay sale so I could compare the cards and it gave me an idea of condition and what they were
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selling for so shout out to Center Stage um in the real world application but I
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mean yeah you know if I'm selling that other than the eBay authenticity guarantee you know it's really hard for
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a buyer to have that much trust unless they know me you either know you or you I I know it's
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I know it's inconvenient but kind of like what I just said with the trout you make a conditional sale right let's
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let's agree on I'll take them you know it's hey I'm gonna sell them for 300
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bucks I'm gonna send it in I'll pay for the grading we're not we're not haggling
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on what no that's good between that's good between friends but you know that's not going to happen between yeah no you're right it's tough it's tough yeah
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and you got to be careful you know this is a double-edged sword right I've had an instance uh where I someone bought a
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card off me uh you know on a plat on a platform right and then said hey it's
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not what what I uh thought it was it's not the car and they did the switcheroo right they put their they took their let
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they owned the card already in a lesser shade and so eBay in this case sides
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with them and they send back the worst condition card and they get their money
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back so they upgraded their card for free right you gotta you switch your rooskis well this is the the old days
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was terrible when it was PayPal uh on everything this is why I know we're talking about wrong cards and which is
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important but this is why creating such a big deal was because that's the fair point yeah you know that's because of
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these scenarios so I think you've got to find a dealer that you trust a dealer
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that you know if there was something that came up that they would
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be reasonable about it and at least hear you out and try to come up with some sort of of resolution somebody in the
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comments put Greg Morris cards and they're a huge seller of raw cards uh yeah you know when you hear a company
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like that you know do you feel confident on their reputation and name buying from them more than somebody else I mean do
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you feel more confident I see I guess I do but with reputation right sometimes
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comes higher prices and that's what Dylan's saying too what Greg Moore she might as well buy created because of of
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what is raw cards absolutely now he does very he does very good business so you know he's selling
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Sports our nation even com c uh same type of idea you know
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do you trust it um them more well you know what what John C with Tom
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C uh you know that they have the card in on their site they have the card it's
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not so if I sell a card what's going on uh Canton card if I have a card on com c
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I don't actually have the card they have the card I sent it to them and they've listed it I can change the prices
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but as a buyer do you feel better buying from a satellite comp C because of their reputations I do be I do because they've
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scanned it right and so there it if if in other words if I buy a car from com c
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and I get it and I say man this is not what
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the scans look like they you know at least there's a reference point there Danny you know
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what I mean they can but again you can still you know they could come to you and say come back and fire back and say
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that you know we sent you the card that was here and that doesn't look like the card we sent you so I mean if it's not
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in person there's always that risk I hate to say it but you have a kind of a
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dollar limit or uh anytime you get into
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three figures definitely four figures if you're if you're buying cards like that
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unless you absolutely know the provenance or you just trust that dealer
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almost unconditionally uh you almost you know I I just really will buy graded now
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you know I buy collections right so you're you're offering one price for you
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know eight totes and you're just you know you're offering a price let's be let's be honest and genuine right you're
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offering a price where you know you're trying to make them happy but you're also giving yourself a lot of Elbow Room
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to come out okay whether you're reselling or even keeping the cards so
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in those kind of deals even if there's a a card or two maybe that doesn't cut the
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muster you're still probably okay but if you're going if you're buying one or two
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significant cards like on an individual basis you know you know for example the
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Jackie I was never going to buy that card raw uh sure you know I can even I
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can even tell well I I I I don't want you know I tell the story I was walking with Dr Beckett before I eventually got
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the jacket he knew I was looking for it and I saw one in the case at the national this was a couple years ago I
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did was the Chicago one it wasn't the Atlantic City one and the price was kind
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of decent and I I said Dr Beckett take a look at this what do you think and he
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kind of elbowed me we kept walking and he goes no you know that's all he really said like
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no I wouldn't buy that one and without saying it I really felt like he was he
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was basically telling me he didn't think guys John's a man of the people his advices
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take Dr Beckett around to a card show with you it wasn't we were
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and I remember seeing at that table and I wanted to get his sort of thought uh I
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don't know real quick I want to say hi to some of the people in the comments uh Greg yes good evening everyone hello
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Dylan we got hello in uh can Card Collector what's good Brooklyn shout out
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to John's uh what do you call Brooklyn you're you're
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a HomeTown is that what you refer to it Hometown I know it's a it's a city but uh you know where you're from is your
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hometown so that's my home um also like to thank everybody a lot of feedback from the since we're talking
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about the Dr Beckett uh the Dr Beckett episode last week uh thanks for all the feedback in the comments uh any comments
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you guys have uh if there's anybody that you really want to see as a guest or topics you want us to talk about uh
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certainly always put those in and you can leave comments afterwards uh on the
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uh podcast chats or the YouTube chats uh but also if you're in the chat right now
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um I'm curious where you guys feel comfortable buying raw cards from uh because I've been searching a little bit
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more I've been buying I guess more compsy than I have previously and I'm starting to just try to figure out if
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I'm comfortable there so uh you know Greg Morris I've looked at they're obviously you know huge probstein you
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know I I don't I don't know they do a lot of graded as well so I I don't see
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specifically good deals but these are all eBay companies also um
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you know and I think that's one of the things is I feel much more comfortable doing wrong person when it comes down to
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it as we're talking about it you know I I think that's one of the reasons I do do a lot of shows is I do like it in
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person um yeah yeah no doubt I mean there are a lot of a lot of reputable dealers
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um you know I mean he says eBay and come see yep right if
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you if you take out the sports collector's digest uh and read that uh
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you don't have a lot of ads for like dealers that have been around 30 40 even 50 years right uh bird Bank yeah I mean
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they're they're huge they they've got probably one of the biggest inventories in in in the culture
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probably in the world right when it comes to to cards um you know so they're you know
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sometimes you just gotta like do it right and and just you know cross your fingers but again when you get into
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those higher dollar cards right it's one thing buying a car for fifty dollars and
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getting burnt and then there's one thing you know it's another thing buying a car for 500 or 5 000 and getting burnt it's
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a whole different thing so always that you know it doesn't even hurt to ask the seller right what's your you know
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guarantee policy what's your return policy um and uh you know again you can ask
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questions hey can I ask you where the card came from you know um you really can't ask what they paid
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for but and where did it come from was it a collection you bought out was it something from your own personal
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collection from many moons ago and you still have it your dad's where where did
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it come from right you know I have a job I have a Don Drysdale rookie uh in my showcase uh you know I still have that
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and someone asked me hey can I ask you where you got this card yes it was uh
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Tom cyberger
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he said here John I want you to have it it was you know not in perfect shape it was a little beat up
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um so that's that's where it's from my dad's collection so I don't have a problem saying that you know what I mean
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that doesn't change well I'm gonna cut you off while you're being sentimental uh can car collector says four sharp
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Corners I've never done business with them I'm curious uh what people think about them Greg e f Facebook groups you
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know what I'm hearing more and more people uh they're saying Facebook groups are blowing up a little bit right now
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um that they've always been big uh we have clean sweep auctions is uh
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been very good with their grades of raw well that's the important thing is are they accurate Ziggy com c still provides
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pitch the actual cards with nuts yes yeah and that's the key thing uh is is that description and Ziggy that's
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exactly uh what we're talking about is you know what makes you feel comfortable buying raw uh because not everybody uh
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wants to or can afford to have everything graded and uh you know so
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four sharp Corners is awesome that's good to know let me ask you Danny have you ever bought off a Facebook group
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um I I have and I've sold but only on behalf of clients
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um I am I however am negotiating my first Facebook group purchase right now yeah I I've bought not a ton but a
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considerable amount of cards off Facebook Facebook groups I'm Gonna Knock on Wood here uh you hear sometimes you
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hear the horror stories you do I've just been fortunate I've never had in any of my purchases off Facebook groups I've
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been uh fortunate not to have and you again you can ask for vouchers on
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Facebook groups right so you can say hey has anyone dealt with Danny black what what are the thoughts right and if 10
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people say oh man I bought you know about numerous deals from Daniel all went well right I just lost an auction
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I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention I just lost an auction
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not as bad as I did where your bid didn't even get calculated and the bit
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never went up so uh but you know you can ask for vouchers you can ask for references especially on a on a bigger
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deal you want to be careful like if you're asking for vouchers on a 25 sale
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you know maybe not the greatest etiquette in the world but you're you're you're you're more you know you can do
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that so you know it's America right you can ask but you know probably save those for your you know probably three figure
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or or higher uh deals but again you can ask for vouchers anytime uh you want you
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know you can even ask the seller hey can you give me a list of some people you've sold uh before you know uh and you can
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contact them but again when you ask for vouchers and you ask for references that's you got to keep in mind that's
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going to extend the time to consummate the deal and depending on the card or
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the deal right or the lot someone else may swoop in and just say I'm buying it right so take it so you you run the risk
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of losing the deal the longer you wait or you you're too careful right so you
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know you gotta weigh all those factors right how bad do you want it
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asked are you willing to risk maybe losing the deal and the time it takes to ask for references vouchers who's dealt
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with this you know and um you know then the card's gone that that's happened to me you know I asked uh people hey anyone
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ever dealt with this person I got some good feedback you go back and require
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about that card and he tells you hey the card someone else bought the card right you lose you lose it out so that's the
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risk the the the this right now we're calling this segment do you like it raw and uh comment from Ziggy raw in person
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feels better virtual online just isn't the same parentheses we are talking cards right well uh it is late on a
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Friday and uh I think we've each had an adult beverage so uh yes Nikki we are still talking cards uh yes cheers to
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that uh good evening to everybody in the chat thank you yes nothing and and Michael's right right nothing beats
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that's why you know 50 60 000 people come to the National right you meet people in person
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like right we we can talk that's why I go to a mall show sometimes yeah we can
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do stream yard all the time right but to to hang out in person and meet people in person right there's an Allure to that
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that there's something you know you it does you can't replicate that same thing with buying a card in person I you know
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I the national to me now is meeting people I like and and and are friends
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with uh and it's also an opportunity for me to get two or three
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expensive you know for me expensive uh cards I look forward to it it's sort of
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like you know you look forward to Christmas right not in your case but but uh you look you know John we're co-host
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on a show called card mentions I was just like let everybody know we're jealous adult drinks this evening we are
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co-hosting card mentions and tell me again tell me again but I go to the National to to you know
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promote the show meet people go to dinner hang out with people talk to
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people but I also go because it's an opportunity to buy two or three cards off my want list of significance in
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person uh graded or and or maybe raw most likely graded uh and you can't like
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like Ziggy said Michael said you can't you can't replicate that there is no substitute it's either in person or
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online right and you know we we talk about online right a lot of things could go wrong and online right uh you can buy
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the cart and no through no fault of the seller right we hear stuff gets lost in
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the mail I just send an SGC bulk sub two-day priority that took eight days to
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get to Boca Raton Florida you know very well about it we were I was I was a nervous wreck talking to you like hey
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man what if this package is live these aren't even my cards there's 246 high
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dollar you know mostly high dollar cars I I I I I will verify it was two-day shipping and and it was like six days uh
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or something no got stuck in Charleston for three days with no update I'm like
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did it fall off the roller did an employee put it in the back of his car you guys don't understand for for those
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six days I spent more time on the phone with John than I spend time with my wife it was it was very nerve-wracking all
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right we're we're we're gonna wrap it up here on the uh Do You Like It Raw segment
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um and uh we're gonna move on to uh our bets picks and fantasy
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advice so let's welcome to the failure segment where John and Danny share their picks sure to
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all right John well we've got the uh national championship game uh being
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played I think Monday uh the night that the audio on this will come out so uh
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we've got it on screen and this is at the time of uh the live recording here
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on Friday night uh BCS championship game TCU plus one at 12 and a half uh it's
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considered at Georgia but it is neutral site so uh TCU plus 12 and a half who do
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you like there uh with Georgia man what Georgia is a defending champ this game's at Sofi Stadium uh
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California for just for for clarification um I'm rooting you know I have a lot of
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friends that are Georgia fans so I don't really have a rooting interest either way like whoever wins I'm not going to
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be that upset uh I I tend to root for the underdogs in this situation when I
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don't have a dog in the fight Georgia won it last year be nice to see uh TCU I
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believe it would be their first ever national title um I don't think they've ever won before
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uh so I'm rooting for them but I won't be uh disappointed if if you know
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crushed if if Georgia wins um that's a big number the 12 and a half
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and a half a big number yeah I'm I'm I'm I I think and they're they're a quarterback is legit
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yeah yeah no doubt um I think Georgia wins the game I don't
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know if they cover so if I'm gonna pick the spread here I'm gonna take TCU into
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points I'm not I'm not sure they can pull off uh I think the magic might run out for them here uh in the title game
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but I think they might be able to keep this uh competitive I'm scared maybe a
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late Georgia touchdown puts it over to spread but I think this is going to be a pretty decent competitive game so I'm
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going to take the points and and TCU not not the money line here the outright win
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but give me 12 and a half you know when the game starts it's 12 and a half you know TCU 12.5 Georgia nothing yeah I
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like that a little bit I'm not gonna lie and the over under is at 63 before I give my picks uh how do you like that
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over under it so it's actually a big number as well if it was the NFL college you never know
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both these teams score points uh so I I I'm you know it is a big number but I I
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can see like a 42 31 type game that's 73 points so I'm I'm gonna take I'm gonna
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take you over so I'm gonna take the points on TCU and I'm gonna take it over
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and uh real quick we have a comment and uh this might be more than your your
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alley here so I'll let you read this one yeah who do you got on the javonta Davis
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Hector Garcia fight um I'm not an expert like I used to be a
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huge boxing fan so I don't know you could read the question that makes you the expert on the show
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I know my memory said uh you know Davis has not
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has kind of struggled lately I know I just had uh less less wolf on he
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actually talked about this um so I'm just you know I got a 50 chance of getting this right right I'm
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gonna go Hector Garcia I'm going to Hector Garcia all right Hector Garcia and he's gonna take the eyebrow uh BCS
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championship game with TCU 12 and a half I'm gonna take Georgia I think uh with
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all due respect to my TCU friends it's been a great run um I think they're a fantastic team uh I
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I I just think at this point George has been on a mission and I think uh Stetson Bennett uh is going to cap off his
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career and I think they're just going to kind of uh kind of lay down the wall there
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yes that's in Bennett is like 34 years old so you're right he's very
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experienced well he's he's earned it I mean it's been a 10-year career uh lovely uh he's actually going to be
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graduating with his son which is which is a phenomenal achievement miles are tough to Stetson and his son
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um and the over under 63. uh I I like the overall on that uh as well I I just
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think it's going to be a little bit of a shootout um so I like the over under um I will admit on the boxing question I
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have not heard of either one of those gentlemen I'm sure they are lovely uh if they would ever like to grab a cup of
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coffee I am available but I could not uh could not tell you uh who to bet for
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on that uh what what what what else uh are you looking at uh with the NFL
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season uh going into the final weekend here anything else catch your eye are you just ready to put yourself out of
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misery yeah well listen I was in misery but somehow my Steelers
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are like mathematically still alive they need some help here they gotta first off they gotta be Cleveland and they gotta
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have uh the Jets beat Miami and buffalo beat New England I'm confident about
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Buffalo beat New England especially now with the with the great uh Demar Hamlin
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news that uh the breathing tube was out he zoomed uh he FaceTime with the team
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and and talked to him I think they're going to be inspired uh so I think Buffalo beats New England I'm not as
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confident that the Jets are going to beat Miami and I know Miami is sputtering a little bit but it's still
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the Jets Miami Miami the Jets are eliminated Miami can make the playoffs
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by beating the Jets so I think Miami comes inspired uh wins and then the other thing I want to say it's Joe
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Flacco is the starting quarterback right now A Lead quarterback Elite quarterback
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Joe Flacco who won a Super Bowl Baltimore Ravens yeah that was you were like 12 years old
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I was at the game I was at the game so anytime anytime
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your your playoff hopes rest on a 55 year old Joe Flacco you're probably not
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going to the plan listen I mean what does it say about Zach Wilson that they're that they're benching him for
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Flacco it says that Zach Wilson is the bust I said he was when he got drafted
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number two overall uh but they've killed all three all I mean they've basically
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what are you gonna say that right if you're trying to Market a player you don't like right you're not going to
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like I'm I'm the GM of the Jets you're the GM of the Ravens uh and you want
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Zach Wilson you don't but just hypothetically right I'm not going to
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say hey man Zach Wilson's terrible we can't stand them I'm gonna say hey he's young he's raw we're going to work on
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some stuff we're open to the discussions if anyone else is in you know you're gonna sell your guy right you're going
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to sell your commodity right we do that with our cards too right so absolutely uh the Jets the Jets have have moved on
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from them already but they're not gonna they're not gonna say it like that right they're trying to keep some of his trade
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they're going to get a draft pick what round I don't know but if you if you trash your own guy you're gonna get a
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fifth sixth or seventh okay if you sell them a little bit maybe you get a third or fourth round and on that same logic
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we get a question right now uh what do you think happens with Derek Carr and Trey last next season I'm gonna predict
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that neither one of them are with their current teams and I'm going to predict what John said is right that all
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everything you hear is going to be lovely spin about why you should be happy to trade for them and give up a
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pick um or or uh you know on the way out it will be uh nice cities I I don't think
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you're going to see a lot I only think you're half right I only think you're half right there I think Derek Carr is definitely out of Las Vegas uh and I
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want to ask you about so I think there so let's uh I want to say Derek Carr is your next uh in the Annapolis Colt
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quarterback I want to hear your thoughts on Trey Lance you don't I think I think
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I think he's not in San Francisco I think it's Bryce Purdy and Jimmy G
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in a trade land or or Lance backs up Purdy I don't I I think there's I don't
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think Lance is a quarterback for Super Bowl contending team and that's where they are and I don't think Purdy would
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have been either except he went in there and did it and Lance has not played as well as party has quite frankly in the
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little time they've had yeah I'm gonna disagree I I think you're right I think we're both right on car
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he's somewhere else I think Lance is in San Francisco he may not start because
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I'm hearing you know little birdie saying maybe Tom Brady comes home to his
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hometown team for his last year in the NFL wow
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right right Trey Lance learns from the goat right Trey Lance holds the
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clipboard for Tom Brady and then takes over from Tom Brady uh in San Francisco
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that's my prediction and just remember to stand friend welcome to the failure segment where
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John and Danny share their past sure to go wrong welcome to the failure where John and
47:59
Danny share their pics I had to play that a couple times uh just on on the uh tinfoil uh Tom Brady
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uh Jimmy uh G said you want to take a pay cut stay in Frisco there you go I am
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correct I think it is wrong and we're out of time so we're gonna leave it with that
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um anything else in all seriousness John I I know we want to let everybody get out
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of their cars and go see their families when they're listening to those I I think Jim I I think Jimmy G is is
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not in San Francisco I think they've they're settled on Purdy and Lance and
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like I said you might see number 12 wearing a 49ers uniform for his last
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season in the NFL all right well how about uh we'll put breakfast at the
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national on it if we have an answer about it all right all right there's our there's our Menchie our
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menchieve bet so uh for episode three of uh card mentions is in the book uh
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appreciate you guys always please leave comments uh click the like and follow so we can keep bringing this to you and uh
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come out on Monday mornings so you can download it and listen to it throughout the week for John I'm Danny have a good
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one take care
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