Card Mensches E27 Babe Ruth Baltimore News Post-Game

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SPEAKER 3: Hey, I'm D Black and I'm John Newman.

SPEAKER 4: Welcome to Card Manches.

SPEAKER 4: Well, hello and welcome to what we decide this was episode number 27 of Card Mens.

SPEAKER 3: 27 who would have thunk it.

SPEAKER 4: I think I owe you money. I, I think I took the under but I'm Danny, that's John and we are card mens. And, tonight we're talking about something that's very near and dear to my heart.

SPEAKER 4: I live in Baltimore. I, I spent a lot of time and how about the Babe Ruth Museum? And, so we're talking a little 1914 Baltimore News. Babe Ruth, unless you've been under a rock and you're in the hobby and made some news and, sold for $7.2 million this week. And, so I think we want to break down a little bit. What, how you doing, John? And what do you think?

SPEAKER 3: Well, I was the runner up bidder in that. So I'm a little bit bitter that, I, I have to talk about this card as the non winner, of it, but, I'm not a poor loser so I, I think I can suck it up and, and, and do it. It's, it's funny, you know, full transparency. We have, we have two sponsors, of, of the show and they just happened to be SGC which the cards graded by an re a Robert Edward Auctions which sold the cards.

SPEAKER 3: So, but this is not, you know, this is a big story. So it did, I don't care who it could have been a PS A card and graded by, and sold by another auction house. We still would have done it just, I just find it pretty. It brings a smile to my face that both of those are sponsors of the show.

SPEAKER 4: So, well, obviously a good taste, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: So let's talk about the auction. I mean, I, I I'm sorry, you didn't win but in, in all series is third highest record of all time. Just, just short of, I think the Jonas Wagner went for 7.25 million and this was 7.2 million. And then of course, the man all at 12.5 mil. So those are the top three. If, if you had your choice, which one would you take?

SPEAKER 3: Oh, man, I, I gotta, I gotta go with this one. I just think there's less of them than, than the other ones. I know it's, you know, some people would, would probably go other, other direction. But I mean, I guess that's the first question. Let me ask you, how many do you think of these exist? I'm, I'm not just talking graded. I'm just talking 10 copies. Of the card. 1010, 10. Think about that.

SPEAKER 4: It's un it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER 3: Like barely two hands in the, you know, so.

SPEAKER 4: If you, if you have 11 fingers, it's barely, if you have 10 fingers, it's all.

SPEAKER 3: Well, if you're Linda Cohn, if we're using feet, you have, it's less than Linda Coe's toes.

SPEAKER 4: I think that's the Rex Ryan.

SPEAKER 4: That's how Rex Ryan measures.

SPEAKER 3: What's the Baltimore flavored show?

SPEAKER 4: I didn't mean to be. But yeah, so in all serious. So out of those three cards, you're going, you, you like the Ruth?

SPEAKER 3: I, I do II, I won't throw any of them out of bed. But I, I mean, I, I think just on scarcity alone and the other thing I, you know, I was wrong. I thought this was gonna break the all time record we're gonna have to talk about, you know, how crazy is that, that we're talking about a $7 million card. And it, to me fell short of expectations. I thought it was gonna be number one when the smoke cleared.

SPEAKER 4: It's hard to, like you said, it's hard to imagine 7.2 million third highest sale ever for a card. Highest Babe Ruth item ever. And you think it fell short. What's up?

SPEAKER 3: I just, hey, I just, yeah, I, I went on my show and, and I think even Hobby Highline, I said this is gonna, this is gonna be the new placeholder. It wasn't but it still brought, I mean, $7 million is $7 million and everyone seems happy with it. I haven't, I haven't, I haven't heard, you know, re a was, I'm, I'm sure is happy with it.

SPEAKER 3: I'm gonna guess I, I don't know this for sure that they're probably biggest selling item ever. So, they, they set a record probably for them. I just thought it was gonna bring, I, someone asked me and I said, I think 13 million. Yeah, I was wrong.

SPEAKER 4: I, II, I think you and I actually are in a group where there was a poll about, what, what they thought it would sell for. And II, I clicked on the, I think it was 10 to 12 million range or 12 to 13. I thought it would set the record.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I did too. So I guess maybe the first question we should tackle tonight. Danny is why do you think that did happen?

SPEAKER 4: Well, somebody brought up something and I don't know if there's anything to it and I don't know if you agree, but they said the physical look of the card is not as nice as let's say the 52 Mantle or, or the T 206 Wagner. So let's look at the card first.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a plain looking card. I mean, it's, it's not the F 52 tops, man. Ii, I, I'll agree with that.

SPEAKER 3: One of the things I noticed it's, look at the con, I mean, I, I've never seen the card person you have so maybe you're better to talk about this but this got a three and, and then, then, you know, looking at it quickly, I, is it over graded? I guess that's the nice way to say it.

SPEAKER 4: That's a great question. You know, it's degraded the way. I wish they graded all cards.

SPEAKER 4: I think that's an accurate three. I think most of the time an accurate three comes back at two. So I think it's a three. I just think that they're usually tougher.

SPEAKER 4: But I think, I think it's a gorgeous card. I love the original, you know, print. I love the fact that it was a newspaper distribution.

SPEAKER 4: To me, I, I just, I love the fact that it's in color from 19 14 at all is amazing.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, this card is before he even played in the big leagues.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, yeah, this is, you know, the, the hey Brennan and this is this comment, it would have passed the Victor rookie card test. Now, Victor feels strongly that this is not a rookie that it's a pre rookie.

SPEAKER 3: When there's only 10 copies of a card though. Danny, I don't care.

SPEAKER 3: 10 year car. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, there's only 10 of these in existence most likely. So it's, it's scarce, you know, and everyone loves pop reports. Right. How many exist, how many have been graded? This thing is a pop report, darling.

SPEAKER 4: Speaking of pop report, here's my pop.

SPEAKER 3: I cheers what time we need Coke to spot to the show now that we really have it, mate.

SPEAKER 4: I'm like mean Joe Green.

SPEAKER 4: I truly believe that this is the coolest of the three card.

SPEAKER 3: It's the scarcest, it's the scare like it's the scarcest.

SPEAKER 4: It's the coolest, It's Babe Ruth, it's Babe Effin Ruth. I don't, you know, it's just like, it blows my mind that we have Paul Bunyan, we have this legend of the hobby in the sport. I mean, really? And here's the card, here is the first card.

SPEAKER 4: And I think the 52 Mantle is not a role all either. And I think that's become kind of the logo card of the, of the hobby. But it, it's, I think more sizzled than, than, than steak there. And the Wagner is cool but it's not even the runner's card in the set.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Brandon Ryan, you know, his cab. I don't know if you, you know, there's only 10 but not pack pulled and regional for starters. He's not wrong. So I'm not gonna tell him he's wrong. We like Brendan, but the fact remains, there's only 10 of these when this card was made.

SPEAKER 3: Babe Ruth wasn't Babe Ruth yet. So it wasn't like, it was easy to, to make this oh, we gotta make a, a card of, of a superstar. He wasn't a superstar yet. And I mean, in a sense you could probably call this the a minor league card. Well, I mean, it.

SPEAKER 4: Really was because he wasn't there long. That was part of the craziness of it. And if you notice it says Ruth pitcher, it doesn't say Babe Ruth on there.

SPEAKER 4: And this is a great point. Brian says the SGC three is eye is great of that color variation. There is a blue version also.

SPEAKER 3: It's like the C Minor league, right?

SPEAKER 4: Exactly. The police car just like that. It all comes back to Baltimore Minor Leagues.

SPEAKER 4: But do you think that the 52 Mantle is a prettier card? And that helps the value aesthetic?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's an iconic card like my wife who doesn't know anything about cards probably recognizes that card, right? So yeah, there's something to that to, to say otherwise it is not, you know, it's not being on. I mean, that's a better looking card. I don't think anyone will argue that but does.

SPEAKER 4: That, does that add to the to the value when you're buying?

SPEAKER 3: Oh, I think it is based on what prices realize, right? I mean, the Mantle still holds the record now is not the Roth well, I thought it would be but we, and so did you, so we both we both missed, I just go back to that. The fact there's only 10 man think, I mean, when you really think about that, you know, I wanna say hi to Mark Coyle. You're exactly right.

SPEAKER 3: Mark. Well, you're close. I was the second bidder. I just lost. And I tried to get back in. I couldn't, so, maybe a John bought it. Just not this one. I don't know. That's the other thing. We don't know. We don't know the buyer. I will tell you this. It wasn't Marshall Fogel, shameless plug. I, I just had him on the show in back to back weeks.

SPEAKER 3: And this and the part two, this, this car was talked about by us and, he has a criteria where he won't buy anything greater, less than the eight says it's a wonderful card. He, he wouldn't mind owning it. He's just not going to pay what it would go for and not be an eight or higher. So he's not the owner.

SPEAKER 4: By the way. Congratulations on the Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: That one was fun. I don't wanna, I, I'll just say it was fun. He's, he's the first time I got to talk to him like, you know, it, the lead up into the show. I've talked to him since the show.

SPEAKER 3: He's a different guy that, you know, and talking to him and getting to know him a little bit more. He's, he's different than I thought he was in a good way, in a good way.

SPEAKER 4: So let's hit it catch up on a couple of notes here. Brendan Ryan says, I guess the price before it closed at 15.5 million, but wasn't aware of the SGC four. Well, not in the, not in the red. That's so there's a blue SGC four E evidently, but that's, that's not as rare.

SPEAKER 4: So I wanna, if somebody knows how many blues there are, my understanding is it's not close.

SPEAKER 4: Hodges says, so this is why Doctor Becky's been shopping a dollar box for so long saving up for that worth. That's very funny. So where do you.

SPEAKER 3: Put, put it on his PC account if he did win this? Look, look for it on his CFC account shortly.

SPEAKER 4: Hysterical with his cup.

SPEAKER 4: Do you think Jerry West, the logo of the NBA is the best NBA player ever? I don't think Jerry West, but he's the logo. That's how I feel about the 52.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, it's a good analogy. You know, the 52 man, I mean, there, there's still a lot of them, I mean, not in high, high grades obviously, but the, there's a lot of them that exist.

SPEAKER 3: You know, Eric from those back pages acquired one via trade, you know, again, I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record. It's, there's 10 of these cards, man. And, and you know how many are great. Like how, how many are graded? What shape are they in? And, and it's Babe Ruth before he was Babe Ruth.

SPEAKER 4: Well, like I said, it's, it's, it says Ruth not Babe. So li literally, you know, it was before Jack Dunn had him and that's where he got the nickname Babe from because they called him Jack Dunn's baby.

SPEAKER 3: And there's plenty of Ruth cards that were made, Danny. You know, this, like after his playing career was over, you got the 1948 leaf. You got the 52. Look and see. You know, and, and those are still Babe. Ruth cards that bring pretty good, pretty good chunk of change.

SPEAKER 3: You've got the four here, you have a card, but it was easy to make those cards because he was already a legend and his career was over this, you know, when they made this car, they had no idea what he was to become. Would you take.

SPEAKER 4: The color variations or this one? The, th the, the gti, the thir 33 gaudy for color?

SPEAKER 3: Oh, man, I, that's a good question. I, I still take this when it comes back that there's just not that many.

SPEAKER 3: And you got, you got a segment of the hobby, you know, Danny people with millions of dollars, you know, Marshall Vogel being one, although he was, wasn't in on this card, as he said on the show, but you have other people who have different criteria than him but have still a lot of cash due. This is a, a crown, to me it's a crown, one of the crown jewels.

SPEAKER 4: Well, this was kind of the, the first asset that collectible tried to kick off with when they launched. This was the big thing with them. So it's, it's the owner of that, you know, from that who sell, who sold the card.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, you, you've got to see this card up close and in, in person. So this is, I've only seen it via pictures. I was hoping to see it up close in person when I, when I finished second in the bidding. But that's not gonna happen now, but you're gonna say when you come visit me and we went to the Babe Ruth Museum. Yeah. Now it's not there now.

SPEAKER 4: Hopefully it is, hopefully whoever ends up with it, it, it, it will put it on loan at the Babe Ruth Museum.

SPEAKER 3: I have a, I hate to say this but I have a feeling that's not gonna happen, but I.

SPEAKER 4: I have a feeling it won't either but it was there, it was there for a while.

SPEAKER 4: The Babe Ruth Museum is a worthy place to house it.

SPEAKER 4: You know, if you've never been there, if you're in Baltimore, it's one of the great baseball museums and sports museums.

SPEAKER 3: Do we know it? Think about where the other ones are because I don't, that doesn't mean that no one else does.

SPEAKER 4: My understanding was the last one that sold was 2010 or 2013, something like that. And that sold for I thought a couple of 100,000.

SPEAKER 3: Think about that statement right there. Right. We're talking about the 52 CS man on the Wagner 2061 of those or more gets sold every year of those cards, right? At least one and, and usually multiple.

SPEAKER 3: Now you're talking about This Babe Ruth Baltimore News and before this sale in 2023 the last sale was 13 years ago, that kind of tells you how the scarcity plays into it. And that's, that's why I thought I was gonna break the record.

SPEAKER 4: So what, so what piece of memorabilia would be better than that? What piece of memorabilia even if, even if we don't know if it exist would break the record now that this hasn't like Jackie Robinson's debut uniform.

SPEAKER 3: Like, where is that? Like, I don't, I don't know, I.

SPEAKER 4: Don't know if it exists. I'm just saying what in baseball history would, would be the, the, the greatest piece of memorabilia.

SPEAKER 3: I think if that, if Jackie Robinson's uniform that he wore on, on the day he broke the color barrier ever went to sale via auction, it's gonna break, it's, you know, it's gonna break the highest, I mean, it's not a card. So, but it'll break whatever record could be the highest piece of sports memorabilia slash card, you know, hobby. Let's put it this way. Hobby I ever.

SPEAKER 4: Well, that's what I'm saying. It's our, we can make up the rules. I don't, it doesn't have to be a card.

SPEAKER 4: I think the original, and this is somewhere, the original rules of baseball written down.

SPEAKER 4: Somewhere to me is one of the underrated things. Oh, here's Marco says, I believe the Hall Of Fame has the official scorebook for Jackie's first game. That's a very cool piece, the lineup card.

SPEAKER 3: I've loaned that to them and they're only an hour and 10 minutes away. So I don't mind.

SPEAKER 4: But what, what else in baseball history would, would, would sell for in the hit that range. We've got three cards at 7.2 million and higher. What other memorabilia?

SPEAKER 3: Well, I asked this question to you because you might know the answer to it. I don't, where is that, that Ruth bat? You know, when he the, the home run bat, like the last one when he called the shot. Well, that bat, yeah, I mean, you, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: You got that bat, you got the last home run, which was with a record until, until Aaron and then, and then you got the Boston Braves. Yeah. So stuff like that are significant pieces of, of, of history.

SPEAKER 4: I I would say and these exist somewhere, Mark Ole might know this, but the signed letters of, of the Chicago Black Sox team, the, the confessing their, the guilt. Some of the players, I think.

SPEAKER 3: That's it. Yeah, those would probably be up there. But I, I, again, Babe Ruth is a whole another category of on his, on his own.

SPEAKER 4: Ok. With his debut Jersey or Jackie Robinson's debut Jersey go.

SPEAKER 3: From, I think Robinson as crazy as that sounds just because of the, the significance they're both are, are million dollar items. Obviously.

SPEAKER 3: I think that Jackie will bring more if they both came to the sale. I think that Jackie brings more could be wrong.

SPEAKER 4: What, you know, I'm putting this in the chat. So I genuinely think that both of those would be pushing the 2025 million dollars.

SPEAKER 3: Is it, you know, Brendan brings up like I noticed I could bring a million bucks, but where is that? 89 clear FF bat from Billy Orlando thinks Orlando Orlando says the root Jersey. That's a great question.

SPEAKER 4: That's why I asked it. I saved my dad questions for other shows.

SPEAKER 3: Thank you for doing such.

SPEAKER 4: This is a great one.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, the 56 gamer.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, that's a great one.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's a, probably a record that I never be broken. How about, well, I don't know how many bats but when, when, you know, Ted Williams batted 400 I don't know how many bats were involved in that year. But, you know, that has some significance.

SPEAKER 4: Vernon Ryan says, for the Bill Ripken bat, he made a replica of that bat as a kid.

SPEAKER 3: I think it, a lot of people, I, I probably some Eastern like aluminum bats that have that, on the, on the end of it, for Little League, for Little League photo shoots.

SPEAKER 4: That's funny you, there's probably a lot of kids who did that.

SPEAKER 4: Mookie says, the Jackie Jersey would go for more. The root day. New Jersey wouldn't have a number or name Jackie at least has 42. That's interesting.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's, that's a good point. How about how next stop Lou.

SPEAKER 4: Gehrig's Jersey from the last game of his streak.

SPEAKER 3: Lou Garri.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, or during the speech, the, the, the, you know what I mean? His, his farewell speed. I mean, there's so many iconic baseball moments that you know, those, those pieces of memorabilia, you know, are, are, would be crazy to own.

SPEAKER 4: Moogie says the Real Jersey didn't even have the fanatics rookie debut patch. Yeah, it was really, it was really bland Jersey now that we talk about it. So I mean, those, those would be 20 $25 million. Do you think? So?

SPEAKER 3: What do you think, man? You know who II I they would break records for sure. That's a lot of cash. But, but if.

SPEAKER 4: A, if a, if a 52 Manel can pull 12.5 million.

SPEAKER 3: I know. I agree. It, it would, it would, I'd be shocked if it didn't beat that. It would, it would go past that.

SPEAKER 4: I would think it would go away. Pass that.

SPEAKER 4: I mean, the historical significance, you'd have people bidding on it who are not just sports. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: You, you would, you would just have rich people who want the item museums. Yeah. Well, you'd have even people, like you just said, people who aren't card collectors like this isn't a card. They just say I wanna have, you know, add Jackie's debut uniform in my mansion and have a room and, you know, and so, all right.

SPEAKER 4: Can I fess up to everybody? What I did on my, on my, online betting?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Go ahead.

SPEAKER 4: So, I, you know, it's legal in Maryland to wager on, on your cell phone. And, I was gonna take you over in the Wizards game for $5. I'm a very small bet. So, $5 and I went to enter it and I accidentally double tapped and I hit 50 somehow. So I have a $50 bet on the Wizards Nets game going on the over of 228. There's no way this game is going to hit the over.

SPEAKER 3: If you double tap it should be $55.

SPEAKER 4: Well, the buttons were, they have like, preset amounts next to each other.

SPEAKER 4: And so, yeah, it wasn't.

SPEAKER 3: You better hope you better hope, the shootout.

SPEAKER 4: We're at 100 and 78 points with 837 remaining. I need 50 points in eight minutes.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think you lost your money.

SPEAKER 4: Ok. So that, but that gives me a good one.

SPEAKER 4: How about, would, would, is there any values of like Kobe's debut Jersey or Jordan's debut Jersey? You know, do they even compare or will they compare?

SPEAKER 3: But it's more modern? So Wilt Chamberlain? Yeah, but he doesn't, to me, Wilt Chamberlain doesn't have the same cachet as a a Ruth or Jackie Robbins. No offense to Wilt Chamberlain.

SPEAKER 4: Mickey Mantle's debut J.

SPEAKER 3: That'd be in the mix, you know, some other items that, you know, what would be like, we could talk about some other like, you know, the Willie Mays behind the back catch on Rick Wertz. How about that Paul or glove? That glove would be an amazing one. You know, we well, Jeff again, too kind of modern, you know, I, I think you go back to vintage, you know what's up Ruben?

SPEAKER 4: We're still here. Don't worry.

SPEAKER 3: You know what I mean? I think, I think when you get into more modern baseball, there's just less exotic compared to the vintage era, you know, back in the vintage era. Man, they, they, they played with one uniform for like a whole season, one or two. Like now they, now they have a New Jersey every game So there's a, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 4: They just, are you saying it's worth more because it's smellier.

SPEAKER 3: But could be, might have some moth holes in it, you know, I don't, there's just less of them, right? Like today, David players trade jerseys, they're wearing a different uniform every night rather than even.

SPEAKER 4: Even back to Emmett Smith. Didn't he wear a different cleats or a different Jersey every quarter when he set the record?

SPEAKER 3: You mean on purpose? Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: Happy Hanukkah to everybody tonight is the second night. The Happy Hanukkah.

SPEAKER 3: Crazy night.

SPEAKER 4: I know. Well, so, so my wife is away.

SPEAKER 4: So I'm, I'm alone with the boys. My daughter and my wife are not here.

SPEAKER 4: And we talk about eight crazy nights. It's like a fraternity house. They've been gone for six hours and this place is already, upside down.

SPEAKER 4: Orlando Ty Cobb Jersey. I've never seen one. That's a, that's a great, that's a great item.

SPEAKER 4: How about his spikes?

SPEAKER 3: I was thinking that, you know, he's famous for, especially if they had blood on him.

SPEAKER 4: Well, that would be curt, Schilling, sock, you.

SPEAKER 3: Know, curt Schilling suck. I don't know where it is. Who owns it. That would probably bring more than we, we think.

SPEAKER 4: I hope not. That that's.

SPEAKER 3: I, I'm not saying it's gonna bring millions, but it probably brings more than just because of the, the history. I think it.

SPEAKER 4: Was sold, man. I'm wrong. I thought it was sold. But, yeah, I think it's disgusting and I'd much rather have the Ty Cobb.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Brandon Ryan mentions Wilts. The year he played for the Harlem Globetrotters. That uniform showing sock is in the Hall Of Fame. Oh, I think so. I think it is. I think I saw it there at some point too. Now, that Clemente stuff, you know, we met the first home run bet.

SPEAKER 4: That would be a great, yeah. Well, how about Clemente is bad from his last hit? Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: You know, I'm, I'm the end of the season. Number three.

SPEAKER 3: Th m since my guy, what about some of his last stuff? Would, it would be the, an unexpected death, right.

SPEAKER 4: You know, but Clemente ended on 3000 hits. So that bat would be the 3/1000 hit the last hit.

SPEAKER 3: I think that might be in the Hall Of Fame too. I, I'm pretty sure I remembered seeing that there or there. Something of, there is a Clemente bat in the Hall Of Fame. I'm thinking it's that one.

SPEAKER 4: If not Marshall Fogel probably has it.

SPEAKER 3: He has a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER 4: Well, his bat collection is legends.

SPEAKER 3: Probably second to the Hall Of Fame. All, I'm not even joking like that's.

SPEAKER 4: We should find out from him. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: And, and some of his stuff is, is at the Hall Of Fame that, that he owns it. He's just, he's letting them display it.

SPEAKER 4: Well, if, Marshall, you know, if you wanna come on card mentions, you know, and we're here, I'll match it.

SPEAKER 3: Listen, I'm, I'll, let's see if we can get, I'm gonna let that's something we can try for, to tell him.

SPEAKER 4: Tell him two nice boys. You know, I just wanna chat, you know.

SPEAKER 3: How about that guy? I gotta say one thing about, I don't want to make this, but I, I know I talked to you off there about this. He was in the I ef Right? And II I knew that. But what I didn't realize, I thought he did it when he was a younger man.

SPEAKER 4: That's when you usually go. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, he did that as a 60 he did that 13 years ago when he was 68 years old and rode tanks for a couple of years at age 68. That's unbelievable. Yeah, I'm 51. I probably can't even get climb up into this thing.

SPEAKER 4: I changed the light bulb and ran around the house celebrating.

SPEAKER 4: Are you kidding? I carried the old, the old bulb around like, like like an Olympic gold medal showing everybody the work I had.

SPEAKER 3: Done 68 years old. This guy is on serving on a tank battalion. That's, that's insane.

SPEAKER 4: He's a better person than us. But we, you know, you know, thank you. Thank you Orland.

SPEAKER 3: So, I mean, there's so many iconic things, but I think I'm biased But Jack, he's Jackie's first year. I mean, where is? I'd love to just even know, like, does, does it exist? Was it destroyed? I wonder if it was safe.

SPEAKER 4: I wonder if r had it.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. I think we know though, you know, it'd be, it'd be in his museum. It'd be in, you know, which is, there's a new, I have to get there. I haven't been there yet in, in, in New York. Jackie Robinson Museum. So I think we, we know that and I don't, I didn't hear anything about them having that. So how about, how about.

SPEAKER 4: How about the ball that crossed the goal line in the the Colts, the Giants, the greatest game ever played?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that would be iconic. You know, I, I mean, I think baseball artifacts hold a different law though than other sports. You think you agree with that?

SPEAKER 4: I think for that type of money, I think you and I God, I can't believe I'm saying that I'm sure the Frank O Harris ball is probably somewhere and I'm sure there's a Pittsburgh fan that would pay seven figures for that.

SPEAKER 4: This is, this is a great, how.

SPEAKER 3: About the Buckner ball?

SPEAKER 4: But we'll get that. How many treasures are in private collections that never seen the market?

SPEAKER 4: That's exactly what you were saying. You know, we don't even know who owns them and says, John, how, how would you like to have the game use Unis from Buckner and Mookie Wilson in game six in the 86 World Series.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I, I almost rather have that ball though.

SPEAKER 4: You know, the story after the game, Bill was so upset. He wanted to, he wanted to end his life. He walked right into traffic but the car went through his legs.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, how Orlando says Jackie's Negro League uniform would be his first. That's a good call.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Kansas City Monarchs.

SPEAKER 4: How about Sash Pages first?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, another iconic item. You know, I mean, there are just so there's just so many Moogie wants to know if there's a good, well, how about upper deck? You know, talking about the Buckner deal? Upper deck. Yeah, I think it was 89.

SPEAKER 3: They made a, a Buckner 89 upper deck card and you know the roll tarp, how it's on a roll. They put that, they shot at an angle where that was literally between his legs and it was done intentionally and then upper deck committed it years later.

SPEAKER 4: So, yeah, I mean, it's one thing for me to make a joke, but I wouldn't make a card out.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, they did, they did some, they did some other stuff too. Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: Ruben said I must be doing something open mic nuts. Ruben II I, my wife's out of town. I've got a cold Coke. It's, it's, it's.

SPEAKER 3: Just good times, but Danny's the fifth impractical joker. He didn't make the cut and I was the fourth Beastie Boys and II I make the cut there. So that's why we do this show.

SPEAKER 4: Well, and I think, you know, speaking of which III I was not the Fifth Beatle, but we should, we should pay a little bit of homage to John Lennon on the anniversary of his passing today.

SPEAKER 4: And after 43 43rd anniversary.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. And I can tell you, I remember when that happened, I was watching TV, seven years old, eight years old. And, you know, they broke into the news and, you know, I talked about on Sports Car Nation. My earliest, like when I learned what death was, was 22 people's death. John Lennon and Thurman Munson.

SPEAKER 3: And, well, you know, I was, when.

SPEAKER 4: Howard Cosell on Monday night football was the one breaking the London news. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: And I was watching that, you know, as a kid and, I, I remember very, you know, vividly and, and then D Munson's passing, A as well. And, it was at that point in my life, I hadn't had any family members pass away.

SPEAKER 3: So I had no inkling what, what the finale of life was all about. And that's how I unfortunately learned is, is to, you know, two people. I, I like the, with Thurman Muson being the big one, that one is the first time I cried over somebody. Passing away, you know.

SPEAKER 4: Shout out to Thurman on John Lennon's passing.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. No, I know it's not the same date but you kind of sort of around the same, same era, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 4: So, which, you know what would suffer more? Do you think mu music memorable, your sports memorabilia?

SPEAKER 3: I think they're both similar.

SPEAKER 4: Well, recently the Beatles had an autographed baseball from their last appearance at Chase Stadium. It was signed by all of them and it was in the auction recently and it sold for just under 200,000 and that's just an autograph baseball from them. From their last show. What if you had, you know, their, their Ed Sullivan outfits?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends, I think the ball, I mean, 200,000 is 200,000 but, you know, two of them are still around so they're still signing. I think that's a factor there. But like you said, the first outfits from, from the Ed Sullivan show that, that would probably be a million. So it would all, if they're all of them, that's probably a million dollar items as a group.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. And it's funny because musicians always wanna be athletes and athletes always wanna be musician.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. And you think when you think of things that are important to people, right? Sports and music are, are right. They both.

SPEAKER 4: Ok. So let, let, let's, let's bring this full circle.

SPEAKER 4: The Babe Ruth card sold for our value. This is what we've, I.

SPEAKER 3: I thought it was gonna bring 13 million. That's what someone asked me. That was my prediction. So I was, I was, I was, you know, if this was the price is right? I overbid I'm not gonna be in the showcase showdown.

SPEAKER 4: Is that the market of the Bob?

SPEAKER 3: What I should have been a buck.

SPEAKER 4: I don't rush to judgment Ruben.

SPEAKER 4: But you know, I, do you think it's the card or, or the market that it's, do, do you think it's a soft market?

SPEAKER 3: I'm glad you asked. I think it's the market.

SPEAKER 4: Yup. Orlando. I agree with you.

SPEAKER 3: I, I said 13.

SPEAKER 3: So here's what I think, I think the market has, has softened that I don't, I don't think anyone will argue with that from, from two years ago and in the, in the COVID Pandemic and the crescendo there, you know, whoever the buyer is a at plus $7 million here, there might be a great buy because when things change again and they will at some point, I don't know when, but you put it back on the market, maybe it hits that, you know, eight figure Mark like we thought it was gonna, you know, Ruben D might have got it.

SPEAKER 3: How, how does this sound for crazy? Someone might have got a steal at $7 million. I was just.

SPEAKER 4: Gonna say that. Do you think this goes back to market in five years and ends up being a $15 million card.

SPEAKER 3: I, I wouldn't say no. I think it's a possibility.

SPEAKER 4: All right, let's talk about something else that, that, that we both noticed the Mantle, the 12.5 million, the Wagner at 7.25 and the Ruth at 7.2 the three highest selling cards of all time, all graded by SGC. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Feather in their cap, right? You and they're, they're definitely, you know, using that in, in some of their, pub and, and rightfully so, I mean, I think I, it, so they've always been considered like an, a vintage grading company.

SPEAKER 3: And, and some people will tell you they're, they're better vintage grading company than PS A and I wouldn't even argue that, but I think they're aro they've, even in modern cards, they've kind of closed that gap too. So obviously it's good publicity, right?

SPEAKER 3: Ruben is now our official engineer of Ruben.

SPEAKER 4: We're gonna give you the login so you can produce for us that, that's, that's hysterical Ruben. You know what? We've never done this before. If anybody wants to come on with us, I'll, I'll drop the link in. You wanna, you want, you want, you wanna risk it to, let's see what happens.

SPEAKER 3: We got a great chat room. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you know, so you might as well play the SGC A because it is, it is a good segue.

SPEAKER 3: All right.

SPEAKER 4: And because we gotta make three, the three highest graded cards of all time.

SPEAKER 5: Experience quality consistency and the quickest turnaround times in the grading industry, we are proud to partner with SGC grading, check them out at www dot go SGC.com.

SPEAKER 3: But yeah, I mean, how crazy is that, that the, the three highest selling individual cards are all SGC graded cards, man. Like that's a, that's a big deal.

SPEAKER 4: Does that raise the value of SGC cards in the market?

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if it raises all cards, but it definitely is a good look, right? It's definitely not that they needed that to legitimize what they do. They've been around 20 years like it, it's not like they're new.

SPEAKER 4: They were around before PS A people forget that.

SPEAKER 3: So it's just a great feather in their cap until A P SS A card like gets in between those. They have the top three. We got Ruben joining us, bring, bring her. Hey, look at he's our first like why like not advertised guest.

SPEAKER 4: How you doing, Ruben? You're on Ruben. How you doing? Oh, there you go. Happy Hanukkah.

SPEAKER 4: So far everything is going well.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben, I will say, man, well, the chat room is great. I'm not Ruben. Some of the comments are just hilarious. Mookie Choson makes me laugh, right? Sometimes I do the show. Not, not for for just the chat room.

SPEAKER 4: Hi, Ruben. That was fantastic. Ruben. Thanks for joining us. We should do that again. If anybody wants to come in, Mookie's at work, nobody rat him out.

SPEAKER 4: No, we'd love to have people in here talking. He's back, he's back, he's back. All right.

SPEAKER 6: I couldn't hear anything earlier. My bad. No.

SPEAKER 3: How are you doing? Here we go. I'm doing fine.

SPEAKER 4: Thanks for jumping in. So, what have you been up to?

SPEAKER 6: I wouldn't say hobby burnout but being thrifty on it.

SPEAKER 4: So, you didn't buy the roof.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I came on to say he did buy the roof.

SPEAKER 6: I couldn't get the liquid assets that quick to work out that much, you know, with the holidays and everything I had to be.

SPEAKER 4: That's very funny. So, you got, you got anything planned for the holidays?

SPEAKER 6: I'm still in the process of trying to find gifts for certain people.

SPEAKER 4: Yes.

SPEAKER 3: It get, it gets harder every year. Like, I'm 51 years old and I'm, I'm worse at Christmas as a 51 year old than I was when I was 30 something or 30.

SPEAKER 6: Well, everybody's getting to the certain point where they don't want anything for them. It's like, hey, get it for the family. Ok.

SPEAKER 3: But that's not a bad thing. Then I can kind of interject a little myself in that, in that, if, when my wife makes that kind of request So.

SPEAKER 6: I got some ideas from my brother-in-law today. It's like I, I didn't think that you search new memberships.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: What are, are you, are you doing, Christmas, with the tree?

SPEAKER 3: We haven't done any decorating. We haven't done any decorating yet. So, I don't know.

SPEAKER 4: Do you have a Jackie Robinson, ornament, ornament?

SPEAKER 3: Oh, yeah, I can mind. That's what kind of question is that Ruben?

SPEAKER 4: Are you doing? Hanukkah?

SPEAKER 6: No, I'm not actually Jewish.

SPEAKER 4: You're not actually Jewish. That's awesome.

SPEAKER 4: You're doing Christmas is not the only Jewish guy in card mens.

SPEAKER 3: Listen, I, I have Jewish.

SPEAKER 3: I have when I was younger, you know, this story, Danny, but for everyone else, right? You know, we kind of did both. I know that's sort of weird. But, but as, as, as I got older, you know, it's just Christmas but I definitely respect, you know, my, my heritage.

SPEAKER 4: So I made John De at 23 and me before we could launch card benches.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. And I think I got more, I got more Jewish in me than you do.

SPEAKER 6: I, I'm not sure about that, but I'm, I guess just wait for the National people can give you some more Ruben.

SPEAKER 4: Thank you for jumping on. We're not every week.

SPEAKER 6: I appreciate you guys.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Ruben and everybody, man, this show, I don't know what you guys are getting out of it, but we, we have a blast in the chat room, is, is great and, and some of the comments are, are, are I even think about them after the show is over. They're just that they're that funny and, and entertaining.

SPEAKER 3: So, and listen, if it wasn't for you guys and the people who download the audio version who may not be here right at the moment. Right. We're talking to ourselves and while me and Danny might think that's funny. No one else would take it easy, take care of her.

SPEAKER 4: That was fun. It turns out that Ruben Snyder is not Josh.

SPEAKER 3: Well, listen, we can't, not everyone can be. No, I, I, but you know what, Ruben Ruben is still a Mensch.

SPEAKER 4: Well, the Mensch part is our entire chat room. Yeah, we have a lot of mens and in fact, if you're not familiar with it, I'm gonna put it up here because we, we have III I will take this as much fun and a smart collectors and, quick witted people every week, you know, and if you didn't know what Mensch meant, I'm sure most people do now if you're watching, if you're this far in here in episode 27.

SPEAKER 3: But for those that don't like if someone calls you a Mensch, it almost sounds like if you didn't know what it actually meant, it almost sounds like it would be bad. Like you're a mech.

SPEAKER 3: And if you didn't know you'd probably like take offense to it.

SPEAKER 4: It sounds like something you get on your shirt like I got a little men, you know.

SPEAKER 4: But no, seriously, I, I AAA shout out to everybody for, for making our Friday nights, A lot of fun.

SPEAKER 3: And since we're doing Yiddish, since we're doing Yiddish lessons, I know you noticed Danny. But so maybe some others don't, the, the Yiddish word for shit is Drek. So when the next time you're at Dr Subs, I want you to think about, about that.

SPEAKER 3: Not a sponsor probably won't be now, but that just keep that. Just keep that in mind.

SPEAKER 4: I'm never the biggest head in baseball history, I believe. Actually, circumference wise, they had to get him a custom hat. That's a true story.

SPEAKER 3: I'm probably second.

SPEAKER 3: Well, seven at 580.

SPEAKER 4: You, you mean literally because, you know, with your ego, I, I wasn't sure Hodgins says that's nice, Danny don't mention it.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, dad jokes. We can never have enough dad jokes. I was talking about my to, to my wife about Giannis when, when he would start all his press conferences with his book, with his book of jokes and they were all dad jokes. And I thought that was the greatest thing ever to start every press conference with a dad joke.

SPEAKER 3: Every speech you start with a joke. It could be a dad joke, I guess.

SPEAKER 4: Absolutely. What's the only type of bag that can fly plane?

SPEAKER 3: It's so dumb. It's good.

SPEAKER 4: It's no worse than, don't mention it.

SPEAKER 3: All right. Listen, we got even Doctor Jim, like, using Mensch now, like, oh, he, he, he, he's a regular Mensch user now. Yeah. Like it's catching on.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I think, I think it's made it 10,000 years, you know.

SPEAKER 3: Well, here's what's funny about the word match. Like, obviously it's a Yiddish word, but it's become part of like English language too. Like, it's one of those that crossed over.

SPEAKER 4: Mookie is killing me tonight.

SPEAKER 4: That's totally fair. Mookie. Totally fair.

SPEAKER 4: All right. So I'm gonna wrap up by for they didn't cover, they missed by like eight points.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, you lost, boy. Did I lose somebody's getting a little bit less than their stock, you know?

SPEAKER 4: Oh, I gotta tell you, I'm really pissed off. That really sucks for those of you that missed it earlier. I made an accidental bet.

SPEAKER 4: And I just lost.

SPEAKER 3: So now Hanukkah, so now Hanukkah for you has been short in the seven days.

SPEAKER 4: There's no Hanukkah miracle tonight.

SPEAKER 3: Dad, dad lost, dad lost the, the, the over and a mistake bet. So, Hanukkah seven days this year instead of eight.

SPEAKER 4: Ruben found the boo emoji.

SPEAKER 4: Well, Orlando, thank you. It was entertaining for us as well.

SPEAKER 3: We say this, we say this every week. I'm not gonna drone on about it. But again, guys, without you in the chat room, those of you who are even listening, after the fact on audio, hey, every other Friday nine o'clock, we'd love to have you be part of the chat. But just to, and we appreciate you downloading the show. You don't have to do that yet. You do. So we appreciate, everybody.

SPEAKER 3: The show is, is fun for us as it is. I hope for, for everyone else, it might be more fun for us than everyone else. But, I hope everyone else have a, a little fun and a little entertainment, value. We do, we do stuff a little different. I, we, you know, I know we took a little heat for the hobby burnout show though, did we? Yeah, a little bit like, hey, man, everyone's talking about that, which we try to do different stuff.

SPEAKER 4: But people got burned out on the burnt out.

SPEAKER 3: The, the people got burned out on the burnout.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Thank you, Brandon. It's more very appreciated guys. I hope, II, I hope, you know how much that those comments mean? I mean, I sincerely, yeah, and, Steven, good to see you.

SPEAKER 3: Happy Hanukkah, to you and your family and, whatever you celebrate whatever holiday season you, you know, marry whatever, right?

SPEAKER 4: I was about to say, I think our next episode is gonna be on the 22nd. So that'll be our Christmas, our Christmas card mens episode.

SPEAKER 4: How's that? We're gonna have a Christmas episode on card? Mens.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Well, well, I don't know what the topic's gonna be. We got some time but it would be.

SPEAKER 4: What does Santa collect?

SPEAKER 4: He only does, he only collects people with big beards.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Or we could go, like, all the Santa cards that were produced by, like, car companies, you know, pro set tops a protected one. I know and I think every card companies produce the Santa card at some point. And in in many case, multiple I.

SPEAKER 4: Will be there on the 25th with Chinese food.

SPEAKER 3: Also the movies in Chinese in the movies, I was gonna say though, forget the movie gotta go.

SPEAKER 4: It'll be movies and Chinese food on the 25th without a doubt. God God bless my Chinese, my Chinese friends.

SPEAKER 4: Without them, I don't know how I would eat on Christmas.

SPEAKER 4: Oh Parker's heart made a Santa one all I.

SPEAKER 3: Think everyone's, I think everyone's made a Santa card.

SPEAKER 4: Well, he's got terrible management. He, he he was an exclusive deal.

SPEAKER 3: So that breaks the question. What is his rookie card?

SPEAKER 4: It's probably a pre rookie.

SPEAKER 3: We'll have to get Victor and hey, what is Santa's, you know, rookie card expert? What is Santa's rookie official? Mrs Claws have any cards? Yeah, she has cards too.

SPEAKER 4: Are they, are they tasteful? Because I feel like you gotta make her tasteful.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I haven't seen any bad ones. Ok. So that's good. And I'm aware, I'm sure I'm sure someone's had fun with Photoshop, but I haven't seen that yet.

SPEAKER 4: But we end on, Mrs Claw's Cards and that's how we're gonna finish.

SPEAKER 3: Well, 11 last thing I wanna throw out there, Danny. And, so, you know, again, we just, you know, we just praise everyone in the chat, everyone listen to the show.

SPEAKER 3: If anyone has a topic they want us to cover or tackle by all means our door is always open. Let us know and, maybe you, maybe we'll do it.

SPEAKER 4: Miss has alls in the holiday mega boxes.

SPEAKER 3: I saw that. That's right. He's not kidding. That's actually true. Ok.

SPEAKER 4: Then, then, excuse, maybe I'm ignorant here. I'm not trying to be funny.

SPEAKER 3: Santa Fras Mookie's idea.

SPEAKER 4: But who's signing Mrs Claus? And are they really putting on the card that it was witnessed by an employee of? So, and so.

SPEAKER 3: So my guess it's a German lady, Missus Clark.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know when she was younger.

SPEAKER 4: She was a beer wench, but now.

SPEAKER 3: She's grown into, she sh she used to be employed by Heineken and now she signs Mrs Claw's Cards for products. So she's continued her career. She was a Heineken model. She got a little bit older now that they, you know, they let the kind contract expire now she signs, miss, you know, her real name is Heidi Klaus. She worked for Heine again and now she's signs Mrs Claus Cards for card company. I know Polly girl.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Remember that girl in the eighties? Remember to say Polly. My, my nephew has that name.

SPEAKER 3: Important thing.

SPEAKER 4: It's too.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: My nephew has that, like, cardboard cut out of her in his living room. Like, so the same poly girl.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it sounds, it sounds like something a nephew would have. Yep. All right.

SPEAKER 4: The Mensches sign for the Clauses. Yes.

SPEAKER 4: Iii I did the Mrs Claus.

SPEAKER 4: That, that, that took a turn at the end. I didn't expect.

SPEAKER 3: Maybe Mrs Clause. Maybe it's auto pen.

SPEAKER 4: Is, is it one card or is it, or is it sticker?

SPEAKER 3: I don't know. But may I think it's sticker?

SPEAKER 4: You assume that it's easier to mail that to the North Pole than to have somebody go there.

SPEAKER 4: So, all right. So we'll be back on the 22nd.

SPEAKER 3: God will.

SPEAKER 4: Santa Willie Mickey Mantle willing Babe Ruth. Willing one more time. Say goodbye to $7.2 million. The Babe Ruth is off the market.

SPEAKER 3: Hopefully for now, for now, for now.

SPEAKER 4: I've heard a rumor and, and I'll just put it on the record. I've heard a rumor that there might be another Babe Ruth coming on the market in the next year or so. So we'll, we'll see if that actually happens.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I don't, I think I'd wait, I'd wait to the market kind of rebounds a little.

SPEAKER 4: I guess, well, I guess if I was selling the card, I guess is, what condition is it?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that, I guess I'm the guy that sold it for seven something million dollars probably didn't, he, obviously he didn't pay that. So he came out all right. Listen, re a did pretty well, with the commission.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, it's, it's, it's the best advertising you could have, you know, and SGC three of all time, a lot of, a lot of winners, a lot of winners with that card winner, winner, chicken dinner.

SPEAKER 3: All right, my friend John Chinese chicken, like, like the, like the bear, bear naked lady used to sing Chinese chicken.

SPEAKER 3: Say goodbye, John, goodbye, John. Let's see you guys.