Card Mensches E24 Hobby's Most Overrated Cards

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SPEAKER 2: Yeah. All right. This is episode 24. The Kobe Bryant, I guess last, last, last week was the Michael Jordan episode. We'll call this the, the Kobe Bryant one. If you win, what are we gonna talk about? A little bit of a Debbie Downer? But not, not really in a, in a fun sort of way is, in our opinion, we each picked five cards or cards, cards. We always kind of skirt the rules. You'll see what we're talking about.

SPEAKER 2: But five cards that in our mind are overrated and I wanna just say Danny for my picks.

SPEAKER 2: I'm, I'm not saying I don't wanna own these cards or they're great cards or I already do own them. In some cases. I'm just saying in, in, in, in hobby space, they're a little bit overrated. They're given almost a little bit too much love or, you know, obviously when we make our picks, we'll give our reasons why we selected each card, in that case. But I want to preface it always, you know, always the, the small print, right?

SPEAKER 2: A little disclaimer. I, I, some of these cards are on my list to own and some of them are already own. And, there are in demand cards. They are notable cars. They're not gonna be any like dark horses. These, everyone will know, every card on both of our list and just why we think they're overrated and, and we, you know, we might have some of the same card but have different reasons why they made even both of our list.

SPEAKER 3: I would say were picking the cards who are the kid in high school that needs to be punched in the face. They're just a little too cocky of a card. That's how I felt like they just need to be brought down to their level a little bit. So that's how I looked at it. Nothing, nothing personal.

SPEAKER 3: Just, you know, they, they just, just gotta, gotta be readjusted. You know, it's like they say the hobby is not in a downturn, it's, it's just readjusting, you know, it just, some of these cards need a, need an emotional readjustment in, in, in the hobby's eyes. That's how.

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SPEAKER 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna acquiesce to you. I did the open you nailed the intro and the all that fun stuff. So go ahead, lead us up with your, these are, I don't know if you're gonna do them in any kind of order. I'm just gonna do them in, in random order. So go whoever the one you wanna go with first, mine's.

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SPEAKER 3: You hear both of us? So I'm gonna, I'm gonna start with something. I think it's gonna be an unpopular choice, but let's just get it out of the way. You've already knocked it. The Jeter SP rookie. I'm sorry, I don't get it. It's a weird card from a weird set.

SPEAKER 3: The look on his face looks like the 58 Brooks Robinson. Ok. Nobody ever talks about that. It, it, it, it's just not a great card. He's got a bunch of rookies. The population on it is, is, is not even that limited. I mean, you're talking about graded PS A alone. It's 10,000 of them.

SPEAKER 3: I just, I think the players overrated. I think the cards overrated. I think it's, the hobby was desperate to have a key card from that period of time and outside of the 89 Griffy and, and there might be some similarities there we'll talk about later. But they, I think the hobby is overreaching for star cards coming out of the wax air.

SPEAKER 2: I, I'm not gonna argue this one too much. Listen, I'm the guy who sold a ho 150 of these not graded ones, but we ones between the years of 1993 when it was released in 94 maybe a little bit into 95. I just thought at the time being in New York and having my card store, I just thought, you know, pretty boy, good looking guy.

SPEAKER 2: Sh Y Yankee shortstop. Even if he has a good career, he's gonna be overhyped because of all those other fa it factors, you know, the looks, the, the, the, you know, the playboy looks in the shortstop, starting shortstop at Yankee. So I was selling them left and right.

SPEAKER 2: I thought, you know, I'll get, I'll get out while the getting's good. Obviously, you know, 30 years later, probably not the greatest. I didn't lose money but probably should have not sold all of them that fast or had some of those graded. But yeah, there's no shortage of the cars.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie. I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER 2: You know what II I like, I like Mookie's comment here cause I kinda when you were, when you were off on your, your cheater tirade, I'm like this sounds like an Orioles fan or a Red Sox fan. And then I said, yeah, he is an Orioles fan. So makes there are.

SPEAKER 3: 10,000 PS A eight alone.

SPEAKER 2: I, I know I get it. I'm not arguing that it's a short print. I don't think anyone could, could make a legitimate argument. But and yeah, you see, you know, you do see them, they're, they're prevalent.

SPEAKER 2: I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't feel as strongly about it. As you, I, I think I, if you would have asked me in 94 or even 95 right? I would have agreed with you more then. But now all these years later and this, the World Series rings the captain, he's still on TV.

SPEAKER 2: He's still doing commer, he's still in the, the forefront of American sports and American sports business. I, I don't disagree or I don't agree with you as much. I don't disagree either. I'm just sort of like I let this one go like you. I'm not gonna lie and say it didn't make you, you know, my 10 or 20 then I narrowed it down to five picks.

SPEAKER 3: Brendan Ryan has a great point here, John. I don't know if you can read this.

SPEAKER 2: Oh yeah, I can see it. What am I blind today?

SPEAKER 3: You know.

SPEAKER 2: I know I miss, what am I missing? Mac go and what is this, some kind of podcast?

SPEAKER 3: I agree with Brendan.

SPEAKER 2: Good evening, gentlemen. Too bad. Jeter wasn't a rookie in 97. A skybox medal would have made a great rookie. Yeah. No, II I love skybox metal and, and a lot of those nineties cards, you know.

SPEAKER 2: But you know, well listen, he's got a 95 I think, you know, 96 or 95 select certified that it's their first select certified card. So they put like rookie on it.

SPEAKER 2: I think it's 96. He cause he, they had made one before that. It's not really his rookie, but I'm sure there's some people out there buying them off ebay believing they're getting, you know, a Jeter Rookie card.

SPEAKER 3: So if the pinnacle was, was in foil, it would be the SP Yeah.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know, the SP was like an ultra premium brand. It was like, you know, again, he had the 93 finest from that year. That kind of cracked through, through things that you had, you know, you had the 93 everyone that year wanted to go like super premium foil, right?

SPEAKER 2: You had to connect you to SP you had you, the fines would have gone foil and then even there was football but they did a, a prison in 9393 was the year of glitz and foil and silver and, and shiny.

SPEAKER 2: I like this card. This card's grown on me. I, I guess at the end of, you know, kind of the co come full circle. I like the card more now and now I don't own any. That's the crazy thing. I like the more the card more now than I did years ago and there's no less of them, matter of fact, parts about it.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. And, you know, there's probably more of them because as things get opened and cracked and, and get it the circulation. It's just, I don't, I don't dislike it. I, I don't know if that's the right word but I, I don't have as much against it as you do. Ok, I wanna move.

SPEAKER 3: I used to, I wanna move on, but here's my final point. The fact that you don't own one proves my case.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I don't own a lot of things. That I want. I would love to own.

SPEAKER 3: No, but that's an, that's an affordable Hall of Fame Rookie Card. And I know you.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. No. Listen, I don't, I don't love, I'm not. Well, I said I wasn't really arguing that hard against the card. I just didn't put it on, on my list. All right. Ready for mine.

SPEAKER 2: All right. This is a big one.

SPEAKER 2: Let me before I show it, you know, I always like to tease these things. So why stop, why stop today? I don't own this card. I have owned it in the past and my show inventory sold it. I will, I will say this. I'd like to get one again and keep it in.

SPEAKER 2: I like to get one of these and keep it in my PC and not put it on my show inventory side of, of my cards. But I don't, it's not cheap, but the problem with this card is it's all over the place when you go to the National. It's like every showcase has at least one of these or 10 of these.

SPEAKER 2: It's almost like to set up at the National. You have to own one of these cards and you'll, you'll, you'll be in the ladder.

SPEAKER 2: But I'm, I'm gonna put it on the screen now. I love this car. I wanna own one. That's not, it, it screwed up. Well, listen, I do own this car and it, it made my list. It made both of our list. I was talking, let's go to this first and then we'll, we'll go right to the Griffeys, the cats out of the bag that the MJ, you know, 8687 fleer. We both agree on this.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I love this car. I've owned it but then sold it. I wanna own it again and not sell it.

SPEAKER 2: But it's no shortage of these, you know, during the, during the pandemic crescendo this thing. Holy crap. I was shocked at what some of the higher grade versions of this was doing and not just the higher ver as the higher grade versions brought crazy money.

SPEAKER 2: Some of the lesser versions also made the same sort of percentage trajectory. There's no show shortage of these things. There's also no shortage of fake ones. So be careful. This is a card I actually wouldn't buy in raw condition. It makes that list, which may be another show cards. We would never buy raw.

SPEAKER 2: But it's just, there's just so many of them. I, I think I like my I iconic cards a little bit less prevalent. I think they're a little more money than they should be based on the population of, of, of Jordan Rookies out there.

SPEAKER 2: When you think about those who went to the National, you wanna, you know, you wanna play, I was gonna say play a drinking game but don't play this as a drinking game, you could get alcohol poisoning but go walk all the tables and every time you see a Jordan rookie, you know, drink or keep a tally and everyone, not just the ta table.

SPEAKER 2: So if you go to a table and that particular dealer has 15 cards that counts as 15, see how many you count, at the end of the day or however long it takes you to see every table at the National and that again, there's some being sold, right? So you may miss a, you may miss a few. That number is gonna be larger than you probably think.

SPEAKER 2: Again, it's a great car. I I wanna, you know, sound like a lawyer that with the disclaimer, we are not saying these cards are, are not great cards that we would not want to own them or do own them. You know, we just showed the card that I do own that I picked for this list.

SPEAKER 2: So I'm, I'm non-biased or at least attempting to be so this just has to make the list. It's just the, to me the price doesn't match the population report and, and, and then I know, you know, the last dance came out that jumped them up even more than what, you know, the last dance came out during, during COVID-19.

SPEAKER 2: So all the it was like the perfect storm for this thing to get out of control. It did it has come down too. I don't wanna make it like it's big, but even if it's coming down level, it's still pretty pricey.

SPEAKER 2: And, and even, you know, even if I wanted to get a, a four or five, it's, it's gonna cause a pretty good chunk of change and I, I don't think it should be to the levels. It is, but an iconic card, an iconic athlete, right, Michael Jordan is known, I don't care in the hobby outside the hobby. And I think that probably feeds into it obviously as well.

SPEAKER 3: Well, Mookie agrees with us. So when was the last time you saw 86 MJ and said, wow.

SPEAKER 2: I bet you could say the only time, the only disagreement there and the only time I'd say, wow, it was, was, was the display with all of the tens. Yeah. Yeah, that, you know, neither tens will get a, wow, especially on, on that year of cards and be, yeah, that, that will get a while.

SPEAKER 2: But the card itself, I'm, I'm past the wow point. Like, even if I own that again and get it, like, I'd show it to my son, I'd say Jordan check this Jordan rookie out, but that would kind of be, then it would just go wherever I put it, whether it be on my desk in the display behind me, wherever the, the place goes.

SPEAKER 2: And that would be, you know, I'd, I, I'd appreciate it. I'd look at it but, you know, a little bit of that. But I listen, I have found my list to, to get, acquire reacquire and keep, you know, this time. So, but it's just, I don't know, it just has to be on this list in my mind, you know.

SPEAKER 3: Well, II, I definitely, had it on my five actually also.

SPEAKER 3: And I saw, saw what I was cheating that you had it on there, but I put it on the thumbnail for this episode. So you and I were, were, are, are very much on the same page.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I will say this. And you tell me if you agree with this, if, if there was a National poll and you can only vote, hey, what's in your opinion, the most overrated card in the hobby? I think this would win that National poll where we only get one vote. I think we're finish in the top two. I think it's number one. We agree on one vote.

SPEAKER 3: We agree on one more.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. Well, you can interchange them. This is like Alabama and Georgia and the college football rankings most, most years late as far as rankings. So, yeah, we kind of, we kind of showed he might as well put it back up. I think you picked this one too, right? So we can kind of both tag.

SPEAKER 3: I just wanna finish on the MJ real quick.

SPEAKER 3: John mentioned the fakes. I think that has to add into the overrated because I don't think that gets talked about enough and on top of it it's not, it's not, it's not a real rookie.

SPEAKER 2: I disagree with you. There was a real, what.

SPEAKER 3: Was his first year in the NBA?

SPEAKER 2: I know it was a year or two ago.

SPEAKER 3: That, that's, that, to me takes away from some of the.

SPEAKER 2: I kind of like the pack pulled aspect rather than the star team bag set.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not saying the stars the answer. I'm saying certain players don't have a, a true rookie year card and it's not the same.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it, but it's still the rookie. I mean, there are a lot of other player it was because there weren't basketball cards really being produced by.

SPEAKER 3: No, you, you don't need to apologize for the NBA. I, you know, but it just doesn't do it for me. I agree with you.

SPEAKER 3: Are you talking about the other one? We agree with.

SPEAKER 2: The, yeah, let's get it out of the way. I'm gonna, I'm not gonna like no, the Griffey rookie.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's you. That's all you.

SPEAKER 2: Ok? You didn't pick this one.

SPEAKER 3: I held back. This made my honorable mention. All right.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I'll, I'll guess I'll do my spin and get me done with this one.

SPEAKER 2: I love this car. I buy it anytime I can where I get a deal on it. I have 10, that's behind me. That I'm blocking, that's AAA nine. But this car, there's, there's a million, there's, there's a billion of these things.

SPEAKER 2: You, you know, I've said why I loved it. Right. Great, close up shot young. You could tell how young he is. We didn't know then the kind of career he was gonna have and, and, and he, again, another guy that's kind of still, I just seen the new Geico commercial with him and the, and the umpire, right?

SPEAKER 2: He still, he still talked about, he played in that big heavy steroid area era and you never really heard his name mentioned once and apparently did it clean and to look at his numbers and know that he did that in an era where it was rampant, but he did it clean.

SPEAKER 2: He's one of the greatest baseball players ever to, to put on a pair of cleats. But this card is just maybe the most massively overproduced awesome card on the planet. That's what I would call it, right?

SPEAKER 2: That people still love and want and, and people own as many as they can. You know, I know people that one guy showed me a box of cards and he had 100 of these things in there.

SPEAKER 2: And he wasn't even selling them. He was like, proud of them. I said, what are you doing with your 100 Griffeys or it seems like he was, yeah, there's 100 in there. But I stopped when I got to 100.

SPEAKER 2: I'm not even selling them. I just like to because I'm not a braggadocious guy, but I just wanted to show, show them off that I have 100 Griffy upper deck rookies. Right. I'm like, that's pretty cool. But again, that goes to show you, you know, I don't know if you've been in the hobby more than three years. I'm, someone's gonna hate me for this one.

SPEAKER 2: You know, and you don't own a Griffy rookie yet. Where, what are you doing?

SPEAKER 3: That's my point. That's my point. I agree with you. All right, Mookie makes AAA good question here. All these cars, you're the upper echelon of most graded cards. Does most graded equal overrated? Is there a correlation or causation?

SPEAKER 3: I, I would say yes, but I think that's gonna change a little bit as we move on. I think I've already ruined some of it. So, let's go. Let's, let's.

SPEAKER 2: Let me answer that real quick too. Ii, I do say it's a factor and because there's so many graded, right? Just goes into like how many are out there and produce and just think for, for every one that's great. It is probably at least one or two or more potentially that are in still raw form. So, think of, put, wrap your mind around that as well.

SPEAKER 3: You know, it's, it's less special.

SPEAKER 3: Bren says, what do you think the population of 50 manal is the 89 up that Griffeys are? Well, I think that's where we're headed. Now. I've ruined this enough times.

SPEAKER 3: That, that I'm just gonna go ahead and finally, finally let's just talk about it.

SPEAKER 3: 52 man.

SPEAKER 3: You go first cause I've got some other charts I wanna show.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, this, this made both of our list. So this was a mutual pick card. It would be, you know, going back to that statement I made earlier where if the, everybody in the hobby had one vote to pick a card this, along with the Jordan rookie would probably be on most people's list.

SPEAKER 2: And could say, and listen, I don't own this card. I've never owned this card. Do I would, I love to own this card. Yeah. So don't make putting these cards on this list are not us saying stay away or don't touch this or we don't want one.

SPEAKER 2: It's just saying, hey, they're a little, we over more, maybe overhyped, maybe o overrated wasn't even the right term, maybe overhyped.

SPEAKER 3: Over it.

SPEAKER 2: It's fun. Thank you. Ok. So I, I, you know, it's a, it's a, it's an I are similar, they're, they're, they're close and in some cities that makes them really close relative. So it's an iconic card. Le let it, it's in the back of the Alabama Georgia.

SPEAKER 3: Conversation again.

SPEAKER 2: It's I'm not even saying that I'm gonna talk about this Manor card right now. So this hey, listen, it's an iconic card.

SPEAKER 2: This, you know, there's still a problem. I, I love the question. What was it that I don't know if it was Brendan about the mantles to the Griffeys? I I'll answer that. I will say this. There's more wet mantles than wet Griffeys. If you get it, you get it right. So, yeah, no, that's, that's all I, that's all I got to say about that. No, it's not. I still got more just when you thought it was over.

SPEAKER 2: It's an iconic card. Do you know another thing that bothers me about this card? And it's not the card's fault? But it still bothers me.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I know one of the things that bothers you, which w what are you gonna say?

SPEAKER 2: It bothers me and again, it's not the card's fault. It's not tops fault, but it bothers me because there's a, there's a subset of people that believe that think this is his rookie card or, or have the perception.

SPEAKER 2: There's not a substance, there's a, there's a large majority of people who think this is when it's the 51 Bowman and that bothers me and maybe that's a little bit of my, that's, that's toy operated part, that's a large part. Yeah. So that's part of my buy. So that's a reason.

SPEAKER 2: And again, that's not tops or Mickey Mantle or the cardboard it's printed on its fault. That's people not figuring it out or asking or doing research and, and whatnot. But because that's the perception and not the reality, it bothers me about the car.

SPEAKER 3: And I think the 51 Bowman becomes underrated because of it.

SPEAKER 3: And, and, and, and one of the things that I wanted to show and, and I'm sure I'm getting blasted here real quick is, this is the 51 Bowman and if you look at this, you can get a, this is a PS A three that can be had for 11,000 with a population of around 300. And then if you look at the sorry, the 52 tops, you're looking at PS A three of 50,000 with a population of around 200.

SPEAKER 3: So the, the, to me that's the over hype is the built in price there. The 51 bone and, you know, should, should be a lot closer in price, in my opinion. And I know that doesn't define everything. But to me, you know, the fact they're so far apart with similar, similar pops in a PS A three.

SPEAKER 3: Just that, that, that, that, to me that, that's the hype.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I, and people are gonna think I'm nuts if you took value aside and I know that 52 tops is an attractive looking car. I rather still own the 51 Bowman Mantle rookie. So for example, if I somehow acquired I bought a collection and there was a 52 tops Mantle in there, let's say ungraded, I'd get it graded.

SPEAKER 2: And then I prob and if it did depend on how it did, I would probably sell that card. No, not probably. I, I almost as surely would sell that car. Buy the 51 Bowman Mantle with the proceeds from the sale of the 52 tops. And then see how much money I still have left over.

SPEAKER 2: And if I really miss the 52 tops, buy maybe a lesser grade one and have them both. But I, I appreciate the 51 Bowman for obvious reasons over the 52 tops. And again, I'm not saying, you know, like we talked about the Jeter being millions of them, the Griffeys, millions of them.

SPEAKER 2: You know, I don't think there's millions of them. That's not the reason. Let's just think the pricing again when, especially when with the graphic you show comparing the 51 Bowman to the 52 tops. I think it's a, a discrepancy and I don't think there's a, a bunch. I don't think there's a bunch more 52 tops. I don't think there's a bunch less 52 tops. I don't think that's necessarily where that comes in.

SPEAKER 2: I just think, you know, the 52 tops, the whole brand, the mystique, the stories behind it. How basically that, that set cut tops on its way for 70 years of baseball, success. I think all those romantic stories, have propped up that 52 set to the point where even the number one Andy Path though is four figures in, in pretty decent shape. So, I think the set is on and, you know, the rubber bands, I get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: When the average collector couldn't care less, but if the 52 man or A is more where that's more desirable card, in my opinion, talking about A versus B and for people who really get into the nuances of the 52 tops.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I've never owned a card A or B, if I did, you know, I would just be cool to own the card. I wouldn't, I'm looking at the C or how about, 789?

SPEAKER 2: We'll see, we'll, we'll see. We'll see what, yeah.

SPEAKER 2: But it had to me it has to make the list again. I wouldn't kick it out of bed. It's not a card. I'm kicking out of bed. I, I would love to own it, but I'd rather have, you know, the 51 Bowman first.

SPEAKER 2: And like I said, if I, if somehow I, 52 tops became part of my inventory, I'd be moving it to make 51 Bowman Manual part of my inventory and, and maybe a bunch of other stuff, with, with the extra money. I got from the sale of the 52 tops. So, you know, that's just how I feel about. I just, I'm not as enamored with it as a lot of other people are.

SPEAKER 3: We, we both agree and this is the definition of a fantastic card that we're just saying is a little over, overrated, overhyped.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, you know, it not to take away. But, you know, I think what we're saying is it's more of, I think the logo of Tops that it is a great card that I want over other cards.

SPEAKER 3: Is it my turn?

SPEAKER 2: It is.

SPEAKER 3: Yep. All right. Here's one and I don't know how you're gonna feel about this one. So th this is an interesting one.

SPEAKER 3: I think that the 68 Nolan Ryan, Jerry Kuzin Brown speckled whatever you wanna call that background.

SPEAKER 3: Multiplayer rookie card is overrated. I think Nolan Ryan as a pitcher.

SPEAKER 3: He is not in the same league as some of the other pitchers that people collect in that, in that price range.

SPEAKER 3: And I, I know that a lot of people who like his second year card more than his rookie card.

SPEAKER 3: Ii, I think it's an unattractive card. It, it's not, you know, it's hard to get in a good grade.

SPEAKER 3: But, you know, it's not ridiculously hard to find and I, I just think it's.

SPEAKER 2: Mookie Mookie wants to put you on a dartboard and, and shoot steel tips.

SPEAKER 3: Ii, I, I know I know who's coming.

SPEAKER 3: But to me it's, it's, it would be one of the last Hall of Fame Rookie Cards. I, I'd be chasing.

SPEAKER 2: All right. So it, I will say this. It didn't make my list. So don't, you know, Mookie now likes me better than you. I think I just moved up, in the Red Hes.

SPEAKER 2: It didn't take my list but I, I gotta be, I'm an honest guy. I'm not gonna start today. Not to be honest.

SPEAKER 2: It did, it was, it, it, it entered my mind, I just didn't put it on my list and, and, you know, I know, and I've said this myself, I think Noah Ryan sometimes gets compared to pitchers that had like better stuff and, and, you know, better numbers, right?

SPEAKER 2: But when you throw seven no hitters that puts you in a space that no one, that put you in a neighborhood, no one else lives either. And look, how about you have a big deal. We make when someone throws one no hitter and it is a big deal. It should be recognized and covered, right?

SPEAKER 2: But to throw seven of them, I know it gets, it gets compared with kofax and that, that's the only time that one really bothers me a little bit because I just think Koufax was just a much better pitcher who also had, what, four no hitters in his own. Right. But I think, I think Nolan Ryan, seven no hitters, kind of, I did a little bit of the difference maker with, with some other pitchers, as well.

SPEAKER 2: I mean, I might KFA would have 15 more years. No, I, I listen, I Koufax is number one in my book and Bob Gibson is probably number two. We're, we're ranking best pitchers of all time and that's just off the top of my head. I haven't really post war. Post war. Yeah. Post war. That's, that's, that's, thank you.

SPEAKER 2: Those are my one and two.

SPEAKER 2: You know, Ryan is probably in my top 10, probably on the edge of that. Five people gonna think I'm nuts but people.

SPEAKER 3: Are gonna think I'm nuts. I think Carlton's, is, is borderline.

SPEAKER 2: I, I think cars, one of those guys probably doesn't get enough credit. You know, we did underrated card that card, like about 250 bucks if, if that is way too cheap, for the numbers. So I did make my list. Ee it entered my mind. I just never put pen to paper.

SPEAKER 3: Nolan Ryan was partially unhittable because he walked many in the seventies.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, he just, when he was on, he could throw no hitter that night. Right. And then there was other times he was just ok. Right.

SPEAKER 2: What do you think that if you told me, if you told me you didn't like this. Well, listen, the aesthetics aren't the greatest. I, I give you that much right? The, the 68 is not my favorite looking set. I'm not a big fan of, of dual rookie cards, but they are what they are. You can't control that on the card or I.

SPEAKER 3: Was opening a coin between the two, I swear to you. It was down to the bench in the, in the Ryan on, on, on my last one. I couldn't agree more. Thank you. Sorry.

SPEAKER 2: So I listen, I get it but it just didn't make, it didn't make my list. I'm, I'm again, you know, I, I think Ryan, here's the crazy thing with Nolan Ryan. I think in some cases he's overrated as a, as a pitcher and in other cases, I think he's underrated that he's not how you say. How about God? Make up your mind? How can you be overrated and underrated?

SPEAKER 2: He's one of them guys. It depends who you talk to and, and, and how he's viewed, right? I think some people give him way too much credit. And then I've heard other people say, oh, he was just a, an average pitcher who threw seven no hitters and I don't agree with that either. You know, it's somewhere in between that.

SPEAKER 3: All right, I'm gonna keep this plan. We're gonna make up time in the air here. What's, where are you going next? Because I'm, I'm totally.

SPEAKER 2: Let's go, I'll, yeah, I'll go. Let's, let's go to a different sport because we just had cards. We didn't say these had to be, baseball. So let's.

SPEAKER 3: I'm gonna interrupt you because we have some friends that wanna say hi.

SPEAKER 2: Yes. Go ahead.

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SPEAKER 2: And if, well before I get into that, let me, let me put up my next pick, Danny.

SPEAKER 2: And, and we see multiples, we like to, we like to kind of loophole our own rules, right? So I'm gonna pick in a sense, a set that has a couple of iconic rookies. We talked about Eric Dickerson earlier as well. So it's funny he made poor, poor Eric Dickerson. I know you're being a real, you're being a real Dickerson to him tonight. Yeah, I mean, listen, one of the best running backs of all time, like he could play, all right.

SPEAKER 2: The 84 tops football set and, and specifically, you know, the Marino and Elway rookies, you know, Marino and a both the arguably some of the best one, you know, the best Q Bs in the history of football. I don't think they are the greatest, you know, but they're, they're in the, they're in the, they're in the mix, right?

SPEAKER 2: And it's just again for, for some of the reasons we stated for some of these other other cards and this is a cops that, that was some poor quality control with the 84 cops football released. I mean, most of these cards are severely off center, like there's off center and there's like everyone forgot their glasses that day. They printed the tops out, you know, quality control.

SPEAKER 3: Is not a problem.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah.

SPEAKER 2: And so many of these are off center. It's sad because it's like, you know, they're two great players in, in, you know, and K Dickerson's rookie year, Ronnie lot. I believes rookie year Howie Long's rookie year also, I don't wanna like miss anybody but there's some rookies, key rookies in the set, but they're just so poor quality control.

SPEAKER 2: And so, it's not much for me picking on the cards as, as I'm picking on tops here for really dropping the ball with this release and it's overrated.

SPEAKER 2: What's not overrated is when you find those cards we just talked about in really good condition and gradable like my, actually the picture I stole here the I'm, I'm glad I use this one cause typically they not, do not look like this when you see them and and they're, they're usually terrible and that's why high graded copies will bring a good chunk of change. So it's just that they're kind of overrated.

SPEAKER 2: You see so many off center ones, it, it's, it's a nauseum and so I had to make, and this is more me, my little, a little shot in the ribs, the tops, for producing those, and, and make for them to make this list because of that. So it's not Dan Marino or John Elway or Eric Dickerson's fault.

SPEAKER 2: But, you know, and, and, and I, I'm not gonna make your point. You, you said something to me before we recorded, so I'll let you kinda take the baton and run.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I mean, I, I'm gonna come across as biased and I don't believe any of those guys you simply look at and call the greatest ever at their position.

SPEAKER 3: I, I think, you know, a Jerry Rice rookie card, you say it's the best wide receiver of all time. Now, the last time I said that somebody came back at me with, with Randy Moss, but my point is Eric Dickerson is not the best running back. Marina is not the best quarterback.

SPEAKER 3: Howie Long is not the best defensive lineman, you know.

SPEAKER 3: So the set just kind of is what it is to me, it's, it's the 84 tops of baseball, you know, just some names, not, not, not, not in baseball, they're not all Hall Of Famers, but, you know, just a little bit underwhelming.

SPEAKER 3: But John, I think we have some actual breaking news here. I think we have a Taco Fracture winner.

SPEAKER 3: It tell Marte of the Diamondbacks if I'm correct and if somebody in the comments could double check, I believe it's the winner of the Taco Fracture. So, we need a noise, we need to get one of those noise things. You know, for, for like a winner.

SPEAKER 3: That's big news for somebody. Somebody just won $15,000 worth of Taco Bell. How do, how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER 2: That was my bill last week.

SPEAKER 2: No, it was for the, I'm kidding. It was for the month. Not one week for the plumber. Listen, I, I'm one of those weird guys that like, I don't love Taco Bell but I like Taco Bell. Like where other people like, oh man, I won't step foot in that place like I, I get it. It's not real Mexican food, right? I'm not, you're not gonna not getting on that soapbox but I, I like Taco Bell. So congratulate to that guy.

SPEAKER 2: So what do they get $15,000 worth in basically in a gift card? So as they, as they shop at Taco Bell, that number just comes off. It's like you.

SPEAKER 3: Just, you just keep using your money.

SPEAKER 2: What I wanna know is if you don't use that for like six months, does it automatically decrease? Like most gift cards do II I.

SPEAKER 3: Have so many questions but you know, I didn't win the Taco Fracture. So, congratulations. This is a big day in somebody's life. You have birth, marriage, graduations, you know, celebrations, promotions and Taco Fractures. So, congratulations.

SPEAKER 2: Well, that's a lot of trips to the bathroom. Forget the money. Right. Just think of that poor, just think of that poor toilet and the plunger and everything else. All right. That's the visual. No one I.

SPEAKER 3: Was gonna say TJ said I could, I could eat Taco Bell. All the time as a teenager. Not so much after I turned 30 forget about it. And you're 50.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I am 50. I listen, I, I eat Taco Bell probably all in, in reality, once a month I got, you know, Tuesday II, a little personal in inflection here. Tuesday at my house is no one cooks and you're on your own, you know, eat leftover, make cereal, whatever. It's like no one's cooking everyone's day off because we all take turns cooking here.

SPEAKER 2: So Tuesday is the, no one's cooking. That's the day I traditionally when I have Taco Bell, it's, it's that and it's about a once a month average. So I like it. I don't love it. I'm not gonna lie and say I never eat there. Five winners, five winners Orlando or final five.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not sure I'm not. Yeah, I'm not sure the exact rules here. I, I apologize, apologize but we have the stolen base. So right now, talking about Marino's legacy, and.

SPEAKER 2: Rookie year, you know how crazy is that? He made it as a rookie starting quarterback. They lost to the, the Joe Montana 49Er. And I remember I was 12 years old in 1984. I watched the game and matter of fact, that was the year I had moved to Fort Lauderdale for a couple years. I was actually in Fort Lauderdale in 1984.

SPEAKER 2: And, and I wasn't a Dolphins fan, but it was big news in South Florida. And, you know, if you would have told me, then, you know, that Dan Marino would never get back to the Super Bowl after that, I would have thought you were nuts, but that's exactly what happened. You know, we can get more.

SPEAKER 3: I would have thought you were nuts also.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, and, and the Dolphins, right? And, you know, he's always in that conversation, right? Best quarterback never to win a Super Bowl ring. That may be, that may be where he is the best quarterback, in that category. I don't think he's the best quarterback ever. He might be the best quarterback ever. N never win a ring, but you can't argue with, he's one of the best quarterbacks ever.

SPEAKER 2: He's in that conversation. I don't think he is that, that, you know, Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes, Joe Montana, right. So argued. Yeah, or Elway even who we already talked about I think the lack of rings unfairly hurt sort of Marino's legacy. I think that was a a question. Yeah, if he would have got even one ring.

SPEAKER 2: I think we would look about him, you know, sometimes you, you, you mentioned Dan Marino to somebody and you know what they might think first is Ventura that or Isotoner gloves that we got.

SPEAKER 3: We, we have both comments. I've been trying to keep up with it.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I, you know, I said to her and that's too bad because he was for tho those, that think of those two things. I get it. I'm not picking on him, but that's sad because it could have been, you know, it could have been much more than that, you know.

SPEAKER 2: He's, he's in the top five, quarterbacks of all time, I think for me, if I really sat down and, and made that list, I, he's, he gets in the, the top five. So, but it's sad, you know, he got there his rookie year and, never made it back again.

SPEAKER 3: All right, I, I have, I think I'm on my last one now. I think, I think we even this out and actually evened out. All right, because you got one more after this. All right. All right. I think this card, I get it, cards, people like error cards.

SPEAKER 3: There's certain times in history, but there's certain cards that just because it's there. I don't like the card and this is one of them.

SPEAKER 2: Oh man, you, well, Nielsen, you want me this way? I'm gonna just, I'm just going to are you talking specifically the no name version specifically?

SPEAKER 3: The no name version?

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I gotta disagree, man. That's just not a comment. It's a super, it's a super now. It, it was, I get it. I if you're gonna make the argument, well, it's cause a printer ran out of ink overrated.

SPEAKER 3: I know what I see.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. That, that's a great way to say it.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I don't know if I'd say this is overrated, man. You know, for the same reason, I, I said, man, you know, you go to a show, go to the National Griffy Rookies and Jordan Rookies, you count, right? I, I don't remember seeing this card at the National. I'm not saying no, no one had one.

SPEAKER 3: Overrated print error. Y Orlando is very.

SPEAKER 2: Very in, listen, you know, I don't know all the technicalities but basically they out of ink and some of these sheets didn't get the black, you know, I think it was the black ink that printed the names if, if my memory is certainly correct. And that's why you have these, there's just not a ton of them and I, I don't, I can't call this card overrated.

SPEAKER 2: I, I can count probably on both my hands in 40 years. How many of these, see how many of these I've seen in, in person. And so I can't, I can't put this on my overrated list. So this one, we get off a different exits as I like, I like to say, that's fine and, and you can pay for that printer's error and you're paying tens of thousands of, but I'm not buying the card. I just 90.

SPEAKER 3: Tops Frank Thomas. It's an ugly card.

SPEAKER 2: Be arguing the aesthetics of the card. I'm just saying it's not overrated.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Iiii I think the fact that, that the, that it's just a printer running out of ink. The do it doesn't II I can't.

SPEAKER 2: Justify, you know, we, we can make the argument on, on the card. You like to talk about the, the 89 flare Billy Ripkin. That was the word is not in the prices are all right. Yeah. Yeah, you got me on that argument on that point. But this is not, to me this is not an overrated card.

SPEAKER 2: I don't think it's a, a, you know, I think, I guess it's a great card in terms of there's just not a ton of them and he, he's a hall of Fame player. Went on to become a hall of Fame player.

SPEAKER 2: You know what I mean? If this was like Andy Van Slyke, it's a.

SPEAKER 3: Tremendous play by the way, tremendous player.

SPEAKER 2: So I don't think this is I don't think this is overrated. I can make a point. It's underrated. I don't even know what these things go for anymore because I just, it was just rated. Yeah, I've never, this is one card I've never owned. I, and I'll even say this.

SPEAKER 2: It's not that I wouldn't want to own one. I don't, but I just don't have the, the, it's, it's not a car that's on my ebay searches and I look to own it just, I know about it. I've never had one. I know I can count on two hands how many I've seen in my entire life.

SPEAKER 2: I just, I just don't, you know, I don't think it's an overrated card. Well, I don't even know what the, you know, are they still even four figures? Have there been any, you know, I'm assuming they have there. They still, it's just.

SPEAKER 3: Crazy to even say, say that. I mean, but yeah, that's why it's on my list.

SPEAKER 2: John. All right. It didn't never even. So I, you know, didn't even, wasn't even in consideration, but that's why there are less.

SPEAKER 3: Evidently. I love it. Evidently it's your favorite card.

SPEAKER 2: All right. One more. Right. I think it's, I, I kind of the last pick here there it is.

SPEAKER 2: I own this card. It's behind me in the, in this case back here, on the wall display on the wall.

SPEAKER 2: It's Mike Trout's tw 2011 update. Rookie card.

SPEAKER 2: But I just think this card, it, it's, it's come down in price, but at one point, this thing was bringing way too much money. Again, no shortage of them. It's not a bad looking card.

SPEAKER 2: You know, someone would say, well, you know what the, the argument we make for update and traded, rookie cards. Right. Well, don't come out of pack, but this one does come out of pack so you can't make that, argument. But, you know, Trout's probably gonna be a hall of Famer.

SPEAKER 2: But recently, you know, some of the injuries of the past, you know, 345 years have sort of took, taken off the bloom off this Rose if, if you will on this card. But yet I think some people still view it as this. You know, I hate to use the term grail but, and it's a, it's a card. Listen, I own it. It doesn't make my, my one copy doesn't get into my showcases for sale.

SPEAKER 2: But it's just, it's not a short printed card.

SPEAKER 2: Again, it's another card like the Jordan rookie heavily, heavily faked to the point. This is, you know, we need to do a show cards. I would not buy raw because this would make, I did a, I did a hobby. Quick hits of that.

SPEAKER 2: But we haven't done a, a lot of thanks.

SPEAKER 3: For, thanks for telling me about the time you did it with on the show without me. That's a great, that's a great, that's a great story. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER 2: Thank you Joe Joe Boo do himself or in this case John John do himself. But so I, I own this card. I, you know, someone brought a, a box up of, of, of with some of these in there. I might inquire to what they were looking to get for it. I just don't think it's, it gets way too much hype for, for what the card should.

SPEAKER 2: And so that, that, I guess that's what I'm basing my, what makes it overrated. And so, this car gets a lot more attention, especially nowadays or, or in recent years than it probably realistically. Should, you know, he's got a T A 2012 prism that some people will argue. There's also a rookie or, you know, put that in listings.

SPEAKER 2: It's a nice looking card.

SPEAKER 2: But, you know, going back to the tops, I don't know where I was going with the prism. So we'll go back to the tops.

SPEAKER 2: It's, it's a great car but it's, it's o it's definitely overrated, it's definitely overrated.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I agree with you on that. I'm not gonna pick a fight just cause you were wrong on the, Frank Thomas.

SPEAKER 2: But I do wanna look at that. That's the comment. That's man, almost nine grand, basically 9 5.5 a 5.5 you have in a Beckett Slab and that's not, that's not overrated. Yeah. Well, that, that price is overrated.

SPEAKER 2: Well, it's not the card's fault but that's, I have.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER 2: I, I, yeah, that, that seems a little excessive. Yeah. And at least in that, that guy who paid that, hopefully he's not watching or listening. But the guy that bought a 5.5, Beckett graded. No name Frank for almost nine grand. I want to talk to that guy. It's unbelievable. I kind of know what he'll say, but I still want.

SPEAKER 3: This and this might be the understatement of the century can buy better cards for that money. Yes.

SPEAKER 3: And in fact, of all the cards we've talked about tonight, I would still buy most of them over that Frank Thomas era card for that money. So, yeah, that.

SPEAKER 2: Well, that's the point. Like we're not saying these cards, these aren't cards that suck. That's not the title of the show. We're just saying they're overrated. Like I said, I own some of these that I put on, on the list. I'm not being a hypocrite of about it. Right?

SPEAKER 2: Ii I joked that there's 100,000 MJ rookies at the National. I have zero of them and I'd like to have one, but I just, I don't have one yet, you know. So it, I, it is what it is and I, and the try rookie like, you know, I see the comment that the finest is underrated. Yeah, I, I wouldn't argue from, from al their iconic baseball.

SPEAKER 2: So I don't argue that the finest is probably aesthetically even a better looking card than that tops update. But that tops up. They so early when he was dominating the major league baseball, that card became like, I don't even know how to explain. It became like a story in itself.

SPEAKER 2: Like if the card became bigger than itself, like, oh, a Trout update rookie, right. That's all you had was three words, right? Trout update rookie, became like lexicon. And now it's, to me, it's, it shouldn't be right.

SPEAKER 2: I think we kinda, we fell in love with the great years he was putting together, and, you know, and, and then the card and, the fact that when you could have pulled that card in 2011, we didn't have the scouting and, and all that stuff we have now where you hear about guys, you know, 10 years before they, they, you know, crack a big league field.

SPEAKER 2: And he came on and, played pretty, pretty solid right off the jump and, everyone assumed the Angels would make further, this team would be on an upward trajectory that didn't happen.

SPEAKER 2: And, they became, if you wanna say injury prone and they've had some bad G MS and bad drafts and postseason has been, non-existent for the team and for one of baseball's best players and I think it's really hurt the card and it's in the sense that all that stuff combined with how many exist, it's just made it an overrated card and, and why it made my list and I own it multiple times.

SPEAKER 3: And so, II, I rarely agree with you this much, but I do, agree on the Tops heritage to talking about the, the, Trout.

SPEAKER 2: And these are great points cause I, I wanna, I wanna, when, when this Trout update rookie really crescendoed and it was pretty quickly, it shot through the ceiling rather quickly. I remember saying like, man, it's not even his best looking rookie card that, you know, this was at that time.

SPEAKER 2: I'm like, man, there's like the, the heritage, the finest, there's so many other cards that just aesthetically look better and I don't even think there's more of those other ones, you know what I mean? It's not like the, the update is short printed and the finest is DP. You know what I mean? Double printed.

SPEAKER 2: I don't think the, the production runs are that much different. It just that, that became like the poster card for Trout rookies, the update, right? It was when a lot of these rookies from update that's were really starting to, do some, some big things on the field and then it became like the update.

SPEAKER 2: Rookie was like the end, the end card and Trout benefited from that when a lot of other people in the chat room are saying he better looking rookie card. That's not even his best looking rookie card guys. And I agree, I agree, but everyone anointed this card the card, right? Everyone, you know, when it comes to rookie cards is always the card, right?

SPEAKER 2: We can, you know, when, when there's multiple, rookie cards that play, obviously, we get to the vintage era and usually you got only one that, that's why I love one of the reasons I love vintage, right? Where we most guys have one rookie card that you have to target and, and acquire, right?

SPEAKER 3: You get, I, I'm doing a player run and, and outside of a 63 fleer, I'm, I'm, I'm only dealing with one tops card a year, you know, now, now you're like a guy, you got 800 different rookie card choices, you know.

SPEAKER 2: So, but, so the Trout, the Trout was one of the first ones, for me and again, I own the card and, I have one in my PC. So it's not like, you know, picking on a car that I, I don't know. I own the card itself.

SPEAKER 2: So it just, it's just too hyped up, when you look at the bit, you know, when you take a step back and and get out of that hype, that hyper magnification mode. It's not that great of a card. It's a good card. It's very good card, especially when he's playing well. But it's just a little too talked about for, for my personal.

SPEAKER 3: All right, John, tray tables in the upright position, prepare for landing or in overtime.

SPEAKER 2: All right. Yeah, we, we, that's about right. I think what, what helped us, we had some similar cards. So we didn't, we didn't actually have 10 completely different, cards. Although we talked about, 10 different, I.

SPEAKER 3: I will say that that our honorable mentions I think would have fit right in also.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. Well, some of like some of the, a couple of the ones you made, your list would probably been honorable mentions for me. They just didn't crack the top five. Like the Rose rookie was definitely, y you see Rose rookie never came in to play for me. I didn't make my consideration that Ryan, the Ryan did, the Jeter did but they just didn't make the, the final, you know, the final cut. So Mike Petty, you.

SPEAKER 3: Gotta remember to say war. What is it good for?

SPEAKER 3: That's the key there is.

SPEAKER 3: All right.

SPEAKER 3: I wanna, I wanna say thank you TJ. Appreciate that.

SPEAKER 2: Listen, and, and, and again, these are just opinions, right? Everyone has them, opinions can't be right or wrong. You may not agree with them. Facts can be right or wrong. This is something I try to teach my kids in school, right? You can say something to the fact and it's not true and then you're wrong.

SPEAKER 2: But if you say my opinion is this while we may not agree with it or it might be extreme and technically isn't, isn't necessarily wrong. So you, when we, you know, anytime any contact creator does these lists, you know, there's gonna be someone that says, man, you guys are nuts, right? And you would be right and it might not have anything to do with the list you heard today.

SPEAKER 2: So, you know, but that's the, that's the fun with these kind of shows and these kind of list is some people will agree or some people say, hey, how did you forget this or how did this not make your guys' list? And we've had a couple of shows where someone in the chat room brought something up that we miss and I'm like I missed that one and it should be on my list. And so that's, that's even the fun in itself too, right?

SPEAKER 3: I was about to say I, I, every time we finish one of these shows, I immediately want to redo my list and, and rerecord.

SPEAKER 3: But I, I feel, I feel pretty good.

SPEAKER 3: Ii I, you know, I don't need everybody to agree with me. I don't need that much validation in my life. I, I feel strong on my list. I'm gonna stick with my, with my Jeter and my Ryan and, you know, my friend Thomas and, and I, and I'm good, I'm good.

SPEAKER 2: I'll just say this.

SPEAKER 2: The only one, the only one I would argue a lot about is, would be the Frank Thomas.

SPEAKER 3: I just, you go ahead and spend that 10 grand on a bbgs 5.5. Well, I'm not buying one.

SPEAKER 2: I can disagree with you and not buy the card to prove a point. I'm not that kind of a mug.

SPEAKER 3: I just, I'm just saying anyway, well, it, it, it was good. We, what are we back in two weeks?

SPEAKER 2: Every, every other Friday. So, yeah, we'll be back in, two weeks. I don't know, what the topic will be and that's the other thing, man, you know, we, we, we, as you can see, we're trying to be interactive and, and talk about what you're typing and chat or, or what you're saying and agree or, or disagree. Hey, give us some topics you want us to tackle.

SPEAKER 2: As long as we know at least a little bit about them.

SPEAKER 2: You know, we, we can, we can do a show. So, you know, even at every other week, sometimes it, we have trouble like coming up with topics at moment. So, we, we definitely open to shows you guys out there wanna hear or see.

SPEAKER 2: And that sort of, that's a reminder. Thank you to everyone watching us live on the opening night of World Series 2023. So we appreciate your dad even if it's a month before we leave, we the 553 Arizona in the sixth.

SPEAKER 3: So you got plenty of time to go watch baseball.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. And if you're not listening to us because of the World Series, but you've downloaded this in podcast form. We appreciate you, one and the same as well cause you didn't have to do that, either.

SPEAKER 2: So, either way life which we definitely appreciate cause we're, you know, we don't like just talking to ourselves although I do that when the camera's not rolling but you don't know that. And, you know, you, you, you know, you, you took time to watch us and, and interact and, I know I speak for Danny and saying, thank you for that. We, we sincerely appreciate that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Ii, I, I've said it before. Th this is, th th this is one of my favorite things I do in the hobby.

SPEAKER 3: I just, you know, topic, hobby drama. No names. Lol mentions her better than the World Series.

SPEAKER 2: I'm gonna, that we'll have to use that in like some promo metric.

SPEAKER 2: You know, how they, they, you know, movies, you know, movies will quote like, movie critics like I was at the edge of my seat.

SPEAKER 2: Two thumbs up. We're gonna have to do one of those and use that Mike Petty, quote better than the World Series. Mike Petty.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: All right. Say good. Say goodbye, John.

SPEAKER 2: Goodbye. J.