Card Mensches E23 Starting 9 in Baseball Cards

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SPEAKER 3: Hey, I'm Danny.

SPEAKER 1: Black and I'm John Newman. Welcome to car episode 23 to be exact. And that is Danny Black to the left of me on the screen. I am still John Newman man 23 episodes. It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER 1: Michael Jordan. Yeah, it's the Michael Jordan episode. Although that will probably be the only time. He will be mentioned tonight as we honestly do it on purpose just to make me wrong.

SPEAKER 1: Obviously you hear the intro song, you know, the name of the show 23 episode in Mensches.

SPEAKER 1: You know, we both myself and Danny of, of Jewish heritage. It's, you know, something I wanna just say, I'm not gonna be long-winded about it, but I'll say it in this terms if the show would have been last Friday instead of this Friday, we might not have made it on the air.

SPEAKER 1: I, you know, I'm not necessarily gonna make political about it, but I just wanna say, you know, we're thinking about what's going on in the Middle East and the atrocities there.

SPEAKER 1: And both in Israel and, and Gaza as far as innocent people being killed and there's no, there's no rumor, my mind for this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER 1: It's really been on my mind, since it's, it started and, you know, it's, it, it's tough and, I know a few people have reached out to me and I'll let Danny talk to. I know, people have reached out.

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, I appreciate that and, there's things you can do this causes, you can donate to humanitarian efforts and if you feel it in your heart to do that, it's much appreciated. So, we hope, we hope, you know, this conflict is over as quickly as it can be with this little lives lost as possible. But not a, not a good time. That's, that's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER 1: You know, again, I don't like to get political but, you know, there's a scene if you stand, if you don't stand for anything, you stand for nothing. And I've never been accused of standing for nothing and I'm, I'm not gonna start today. So, there you go.

SPEAKER 3: Well, said my friend, the more I think about what I wanna say, the, the more I realize I'm not sure I would get through it without losing it a little bit. Let's just say this is extremely personal to me and there's no room for terrorism on this earth and you know, God bless everybody for, for safe survival.

SPEAKER 3: And, how about we talk some baseball cards tonight and, and have a little, a little, a little removal. We, we, we are not calling baseball cards as important as what's going on, but, a little escapism, can be healthy and, and this is, I think, you know, something I need, I know after the last couple of days. So I'm looking forward to, talking cards. How about you?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, no doubt. And, a little bit different today. We're gonna go round the starting nine and pick our a player and card combo. Now, we're not necessarily saying this you're the best at each position.

SPEAKER 1: But, just the card and combo have a little fun, with like what cards we picked, we try not to share so or compare notes, you know, with each other to kind of, I, I venture, I guess we might have overlapping cards but maybe not, not as many, as we think.

SPEAKER 1: I, the way I did this, Danny, I'll just explain my picks before I even give them. They're not necessarily all rookies, although probably a higher percentages are all rookies, are more rookies than non rookies, but they're not all rookies.

SPEAKER 1: And I'm not necessarily saying every one of these players is the number one best overall player at the position. I will say though they are in the mix. In other words, there's no Doug Deen's card for second base. Ok. No offense to, Doug who was not a terrible player and played for the Orioles and, and, and, it was pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. So it's not necessarily that, but they're very good players to great players and a cool card to kind of go along, with them. We will have pictures so it won't be just our ugly mugs talking about whatever cards. We selected some shout outs, If you will Orlando, good to see you that card story. Mookie Chilson. I echo that sentiment.

SPEAKER 1: And to, to all that are listening later on, even in podcast form, show doesn't exist without you. And we acknowledge that. So, I don't know how you, you, you know, if you want to sort of after your picks with kind of a statement like I did that they're not necessarily all rookies or, or the best players, but and, and how do you, I'm, I'm guessing we'll alternate you by position and that sort of thing. But go ahead.

SPEAKER 3: First of all, can I make an early correction? Cheer. If you're listening on the podcast, we are handsome.

SPEAKER 1: I can't say that without laughing. So I'll let you do it instead.

SPEAKER 3: When you said are ugly mugs, right? You know, if they're on the podcast, they have no idea.

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, listen, I, you know, I, I keep expectations low that way. Someone said, yeah, John was right. Or if I'm lucky they'll say, hey, he's not as ugly as he made himself up. That's like the best case there.

SPEAKER 3: The nice thing about living in Baltimore and Syracuse is like, if I go to L A, I'm like a five but in Baltimore I'm a solid seven.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know what that, I don't know you and where I rank, I've never given it that much, that much thought. But I think, I think I'm a three, which is my favorite number everywhere, including Canada.

SPEAKER 3: So the conversion rate holds, it doesn't apply.

SPEAKER 1: It's, I'm still three.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I think what we wanna do and, and, and what we can kind of go, I think we should go around the diamonds. I think it's the easiest way to do that.

SPEAKER 3: Ok.

SPEAKER 3: And to give people an idea, why don't we start with a position? Like Catcher, to give an idea of kind of what we're doing and, and what imagine that you're thinking about all the cards in history and the coolest cards and you have to pick one for every position. There you go, John, you're, you're a V G.

SPEAKER 1: Maybe I could, if, if I was PS A, maybe I'd get to 3.5. Right.

SPEAKER 3: So on for Catcher, the greatest Catcher in history might be Josh Gibson. It might be Yogi Bear. It might be Johnny bench but when you combine that with the greatest card of a Catcher ever. Well, then there's a couple different options.

SPEAKER 3: You wanna, you wanna bring up yours first?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, now two, this isn't one of them, but two of these on my list I actually own. So when, when I get to the, I will, I will actually show the actual card in possession. This card I've own numerous times. There you go. You got it for me.

SPEAKER 1: The 1971 Thurman Munson, not rookie. This is not Thurman's rookie card. It does have the gold all-star rookie cup there which people seem to like in the facsimile autograph. By the way, I put the up one more time.

SPEAKER 1: Ok, let me go back. Sorry, I, I, no problem giving you orders. There's an Oakland a sliding into home plate there which Thurman is trying to get out. I know who the A is now. I had to research it. I don't wanna act like I recognized his face and I know who it is, but if without looking, I cheated.

SPEAKER 1: But now is anyone, if anyone in the chair, I will I tell you in like a couple of minutes who this gentleman is that is sliding or trying to slide under Thurman's tag here for the ace. But when you look at this card, is that Billy Martin. No, it's not Billy Martin. Billy Martin was retired by this time I think he was already managing.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not sure.

SPEAKER 1: But it's an iconic card, right? Of an iconic player who, who I think honestly would have been a Hall Of Famer had his, you know, not had the plane accident for those that don't know. Thurman Munson was how I learned about what death was. And the first time I cried over someone dying when I, when I realized, I learned what death was.

SPEAKER 1: So, a little personal connection here, Thurman Munson, I was a Yankee fan. You know, as a younger kid and Deer Munson was my, favorite player and, and all that Joe Rudy is a good guess. No Gene tennis is not.

SPEAKER 1: I even, I, I give you one more tip of who that Oakland a is that's sliding. He's a pitcher which you would, you know, wouldn't think, right? The pitcher running the bases and then getting down and dirty, at, at a play at the, at the plate. So, you know, I think I'm still a three Logan. You can't take that away from me.

SPEAKER 1: But it's a, it, it's a, it's a classic card, right? I think most, you know, there's a lot of people probably think that's his rookie card not knowing about the 1970 Gray Border one. And, you know, it's one of those cards it's gonna be another one that comes up later on that.

SPEAKER 1: You know, almost looks like it should have been the rookie card like that. You know, if that would have been the rookie cut, it would have been even more desirable, of a rookie. No, that's a good guess. That's a good guess too.

SPEAKER 3: Definitely not Catfish, by the way.

SPEAKER 1: Catfish Hunter.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Catfish Hunter. So, no, ne, and, I don't know if anyone's gonna get it. He's not, not a super famous player necessarily.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, there's Dan, evening Dan. So, so I don't know how long you want me to do. I, I'll ask Dan knows the stuff that we're, we're trying to figure out. Well, I already have figured out who the Catcher is or who the player is sliding here on the 71 months. And, all right, I'm gonna give it up because, you know, we can't make the show two hours.

SPEAKER 1: So it's, a picture for the A's named Chuck Dobson. So, if you knew it was Chuck Dobson, congratulation, to you. Yeah. Gene. Gene. Gene tennis. That was who I thought, before, before I, figured out who it really was. Chuck Dobson. So you can win a bar bet, right?

SPEAKER 1: You ask somebody, who's the, who's the a sliding on the 71 tops months? No one's gonna say Chuck Tops and unless they googled it. And there you go. So, by, by the way, there's my, there's my Catcher.

SPEAKER 3: I love, I love the game shows, Mi Mi Mi Mid Mench.

SPEAKER 3: So that's that II, I love that. We just ran a game show.

SPEAKER 1: I'm Wink, I'm Wink Martindale.

SPEAKER 3: And that's our first card guys. We could be in for a double episode tonight.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I went a little bit along with the truck, but it's really one of those only cards where we probably could have an action, going on on the card or very, very rare. So.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you and I have similar taste in things. So I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't rule out the only action shot. Can I, can I show my Catcher?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER 3: This is somebody who you don't often see or think of maybe in, in the actual playing days or in motion. You think a lot about him, later in life after a car accident, ended his career prematurely.

SPEAKER 3: And I thought this set certainly needed to be represented.

SPEAKER 3: 51 bow and Roy Campanella.

SPEAKER 3: To me it's a gorgeous card. If you wanna take a great Catcher, a great looking card, throwing off the mask, the inaction. I know some people don't love the, the artwork on his face there. But, I, I, to me I would take this card all day.

SPEAKER 3: I just, to, to me this this is why we're doing this. You know, IIII I just think it's beautiful.

SPEAKER 1: I'll keep it short and sweet. You, you stole some Brooklyn Dodgers, guys for me. I don't really have one. I think it's an, it's like homer pick.

SPEAKER 1: But, yeah, I like that pick. I like that pick and I like that. You picked and I didn't have to be a, a homer. Right? You didn't know you were gonna talk about Chuck Dobson, tonight, right? Neither did Chuck Dobson.

SPEAKER 3: So, well, congratulations to Chuck Dobson for making it to the card matches. Now, you've made him Chuck.

SPEAKER 1: It doesn't even matter if he's out or safe. No one really knows he still on the card.

SPEAKER 3: Well, so, but this is what the exercise is. So we're, we're taking a look at these types of things. So we're gonna go position by position and if you have comments in the chat room, please, please throw them in.

SPEAKER 1: If you share them, we'll share them on the air as well. Go ahead. It's your turn. We're doing, I'm.

SPEAKER 3: Gonna go pitch her because, you know, I've been talking about this all day. I mean, I don't think I could have mentioned this card more to you if I tried.

SPEAKER 3: I absolutely love and I think one of the greatest pitchers of all times, the stories from the Negro leagues playing in the major leagues and then you take the artwork of the card, the 1953 top satchel page.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, I'll take the player to the card, the combination.

SPEAKER 3: I was very, very close to going with the Koufax Rookie. I, I could still make a very strong argument for the Kofax Rookie but to me, the satchel is beautiful. I showed my wife, I said just what do you think of this when you look at it and she goes, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER 3: And, and she's not a, not a sports fan. So I, I think it, it holds its own on art and, and certainly on the talent.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, iconic car got a late start, obviously for obvious reasons in the major leagues. But incredible pitcher pitched well and I think he's, he might have been 50 or into his fifties, which is my age now and I played hardball baseball.

SPEAKER 1: If you and I was a pitcher back in high school, you think like if you had, if I had to still do it today, I'd my arm would fall off and roll, roll somewhere never to be seen again. And so it, it, it is a great card, right? It's like you don't even have to be a satchel page fan or even knowledgeable about them. And the card is just a striking card.

SPEAKER 1: It's one of those like if you had to explain baseball cards to someone who didn't know, and you wanted to get 10 or 20 pictures of cards. It would be in that, that, that 1st 10 or 20 to show. And just a great guy I don't own after the card I've never owned, you know, John.

SPEAKER 3: John, we have, we have a comment here that would like to correct you. John, somebody named Splendid Sports Car.

SPEAKER 1: I know that guy. We might know him and he might know you and it and listen, II I was, I was nice enough to him already serving up a a go for a ball to him as they went on to the Little League World Series and we went, we went home. So that's, that's, that's about all as I'm gonna give to v to be clear.

SPEAKER 3: You will not own. Varitek. Vitek owns you.

SPEAKER 1: He does listen, the whole team did that day my only loss of the year. So and I, you know, you size, I like I told the story, I sized him up before the game and I was feeling overconfident and so much, so much for that.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know if it was five her feet, but it was definitely I didn't even turn around. I just held my glove up to so the I could throw me the the ball so I could pitch to the next batter. So it was one of those kind of like I knew it. So just give me a ball.

SPEAKER 3: That's all I should have had a Jason Varitek card ready. All right. So who, who's your pitcher?

SPEAKER 1: My pitcher is. So if this is another one, it's not a rookie card, but many people probably not many, but I'm sure a few people might by look, might think of it and it would be, and if it was his rookie, this is an icon. This is an iconic card anyway, but if it would have been nice, had this been a, a rookie instead of the one where he's on with another player, right?

SPEAKER 1: The, the 1967 tops rookie. This is the 68 tops gold cup receiver. Look how young he is right here. And as he started his Major League career and a, a great card actually still very affordable e especially in mid grade or, or low grade, but just a great card. You can't go wrong with this card. I've owned this card.

SPEAKER 1: I don't currently own it, but I've owned this card like off and on probably 56 times. I'm sure I'll get it again and maybe the next time I get it, I'll just keep it and, and forget about keep putting it out in my vintage box. But just, and i it's it, you know, if you can't get the rookie which has gotten very, very expensive. I tried to get one at the National unsuccessfully.

SPEAKER 1: It's really a great card to have a, sort of a, a plan b and, you know, the greatest Mets cards. Yeah, one of the greatest Mets cards of, of all time. I, I agree. Which is I had to pick, you know, I too thought of the KFA. I thought that was kind of shock because I own it and I, and I, I kind of thought you might go that.

SPEAKER 1: So I went with the second year sever. I love, listen, I'm a sucker. Anyone that listens to me enough knows I'm a sucker for two things, right? Acetate cards or big facial close ups, on baseball cards because they're not that common, as, as you would think. And so that sever checks, checks that box.

SPEAKER 3: I'm, I'm, I'm gonna have to replay this episode and, and hear what number two was very closely again.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Well, for me, it would have probably been, probably been coe I.

SPEAKER 3: No, I just wanna make sure we give a big blow up of the facial on the card.

SPEAKER 3: What, who's your first baseman?

SPEAKER 1: My first baseman? I went, I went really old school here and, and, and again, factoring the card as well. It's, it's the, you know, the Iron Horse Lou Gehrig 1933 Gowdy. Look at this card like, you know, swinging, the lefty, and it's just, you know, just a great card, right?

SPEAKER 1: And, you know, you could take his name off there, and a baseball, you know, a baseball fan or card guy or, or lady, most that, that knows about cards, knows who that is. It's just one of those, kind of cards, kind of a layup one with, with that one.

SPEAKER 1: It was really the first one that sort of came to mind when I thought about it. And so I stayed with my, as you know, they say, stay with your initial initial gut. I, I stay with my initial gut on this one. That's the, the 33 Gouty Gary.

SPEAKER 1: And again, you can see how young he is at this point not knowing, you know, what was to come. And, and then unfortunately, a passing at a, too young of a of an age and, but, you can't go wrong with it with a Lou Gary rookie card. So, that's my pick.

SPEAKER 3: Well, he, he might be the greatest first baseman of all time and it's one of my favorite sets of all time. So I'm glad you picked it.

SPEAKER 3: I went very similar. I'm trying to find them. I mean, you went 33 gaudy gig.

SPEAKER 3: I'm going 34 gaudy Hank Greenberg from the Lou Gehrig says.

SPEAKER 1: I tell you the truth. This was, this was on my list as well.

SPEAKER 1: It probably would have been, you know, Greenberg was probably my second car choice, after Garrick, but I went with, I went with the Garrick. So listen, you can't go wrong on either one of these cards you're not gonna throw in either one of these cards out of bed as I like Greenberg.

SPEAKER 3: Am I correct? This is the Greenberg rookie.

SPEAKER 1: I don't know about, I don't think it is. I could be wrong. I for one.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I want to see in the comments of somebody.

SPEAKER 1: He had one before this.

SPEAKER 3: I know he had a pop up and something else, but I thought this was his first card. I'm sure somebody will correct me in comments, please. I can handle it.

SPEAKER 3: But I love the card. I love the player. I think he's tremendously underrated.

SPEAKER 3: If you, you know, want to look up your history, you know, look up what he did.

SPEAKER 3: The time he lost in military service, the numbers he put up and, and who else he was playing with at that time?

SPEAKER 3: And he really got overshadowed. I mean, to be fair part of his career, he was overshadowed by Lou Garrick.

SPEAKER 3: And there was Jimmy Foxx and you know, but such great talent at that position. But Hank Greenberg 34 gaudy, it was my first baseman.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Like like the car story said, right? Two great picks you can't really go wrong with with either one of those cards. So, we haven't busted this draft yet. With a, with a bad pick but, stay tuned this, we got room for, for error here to, to, to come.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie says, I think you're right. Hank's rookie.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I thought he had one earlier but I, I'm apparently wrong. So not the first time as my wife says.

SPEAKER 3: I'm glad we got it on video. Ii, I still want to double check that. But yeah, I, I think it is all right. So does that mean we're moving to second base or we're going to run the diamond here?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, we can and I take it your turn to go. That's my turn. Well, I think we have the same one here. I think with this one we did compare notes.

SPEAKER 3: I did, we both go chalk on this.

SPEAKER 1: I I, well, it's chalk for me. My chalk might be different from your truck.

SPEAKER 3: Now, I OK. Now let me give you the background for second base. I gave serious consideration to the Bill Ripkin card. I thought, I thought the Bill Ripkin card in the history of cards. Ha has, has a prominence but his, the talent of a player just couldn't hold up.

SPEAKER 3: And then you.

SPEAKER 1: Compare, what do you mean the 2 34 average with the under with double digit home runs?

SPEAKER 3: Jackie Robinson 48 49 leave. It's chalk. It's a no brainer. You're talking about a Hall Of Fame player. You're talking about one of the greatest cards of all time. I had to download a graphic. You get to hold up the real one.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, this one was, listen, I'm just gonna warn everyone. Now, anytime we do these lists and I can get this card on the list. Like it's like tonight it's gonna happen. That's all I'm not gonna drone on about it. There you go.

SPEAKER 1: That's it. And I, you know, listen, if, if the card isn't enough, you could have a keychain too. Jack you on a keychain. This actually just came in today. So that's how new that is. But that's, that's my guy. You know, and, and if, if I did put him this card in, in him on, on when you do a little like this, like something would be wrong with me.

SPEAKER 1: So, you know, I'm sure some like are you feeling all right Newman? Like what's, what's going on? So I know it's, it's the layup for me but I can't dunk anymore. Actually I can never dunk. So I have to hit the layup.

SPEAKER 3: Beautiful car. John. No need to apologize.

SPEAKER 1: Thank you.

SPEAKER 3: All sorts of emojis from Dylan. I believe those are all, all positive emojis, Dylan Dylan, I'm way too old for emojis. I need words. I don't know if.

SPEAKER 1: Mike Petty saying he missed the card, but there you go. I was about.

SPEAKER 3: To say Mike don't give him a reason to pull it back out again.

SPEAKER 1: I'm gonna put it behind me, so I won't touch it. It's a.

SPEAKER 3: Great, it's a great card. I'm purely Joe.

SPEAKER 3: All right. So they'll put us in shortstop and.

SPEAKER 1: It's my turn. It's my turn. And this, this one, this one's tricky. I mean, there's a long list of, of great shortstops and great cards. Right. And so this one, this one I, I finally settled, I don't wanna say settle, settle is not even AAA great word. It's almost like, ah, there's nothing came to the top. Well, it's a car that on my list to acquire.

SPEAKER 1: It's hard to find without the top cut off. But the picture you're about to put up, is AAA good specimen of this card. No, no. Yes, no, that's my d that card is, oh, that's your DH, you, you showed my, that everyone got to see the DH card before the shortstop card.

SPEAKER 3: Well, on the podcast, we won't give it away.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. So, Ernie Banks, look at how young he is. I love, you know, the 50 fours was a set. I sort of, I don't wanna say ignored, but.

SPEAKER 3: Jackie fell off the shelf.

SPEAKER 1: But, I, I didn't give the 54 top set enough credit between the big, logos of the team and the, the, the two pictures, right? The one in action and the one, close up and, Ernie Banks, you can see how young he is. With, with back in, in 54 and, and a lot of times that Ernie Banks is kind of partially cut off at the top.

SPEAKER 1: So, great player, I think one of those underrated guys and I think, I don't know if I even can say this card's underrated anymore cause it's really started to get into harder to acquire stratosphere.

SPEAKER 1: So, while Ernie Banks, I still thinks underrated, man, I think this card might be fine living up to where it should be and on my list to get, I don't have it, so we'll have to use the graphic for now, but maybe in the future show, I can hold up a real one someday, but not tonight.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you know, I'm a fan of the 54.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Love that card. Great looking card. In fact, I'll show off the entire bottom. There is the 54 the bottom three rows of the 54 Orioles team set. That's the first year they moved to Baltimore. I just finish that off and I I'll be bragging about that.

SPEAKER 3: If you see me doing content for the next six months, you'll hear about that. So, so, all right, so my shortstop for me, this is chalk, you know, we, I, I pulled it out last week also, I'm pulling it out again this week. I'm sure everybody in the comments will know where I'm going.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, this is, this is definitely, definitely. I figured you were going this way and I won't argue.

SPEAKER 1: We won. He's in the mix for greatest shorts that ever you got the streak obviously and a great card right out of the 82 tops traded. Now, we, you know, we had this debate, the other day is, you know, can this be a rookie card out of a traded set?

SPEAKER 1: And I I think he can be receiver, you know, there's something about the card itself that, that there's some, there, there are some people who we believe like unless the card comes out of an actual pack, it can't be a rookie. So it comes out of a traded set. That's, you know, I'm not saying, I agree.

SPEAKER 1: I'm just saying that there are people who use that as their own personal rule. So, but the rule is with this show, we these don't have to be rookie cards. We've already showed some of that aren't rookies. So either way, but it is a, it is Ripkin rookie.

SPEAKER 3: It's the 82 times trained Ripkin.

SPEAKER 3: It's his first solo card. His 82 tops card was a three player card with Bob Bonner and Jeff Schneider. So this is his first solo card like John said in the 82 tops traded set. If you're not familiar that was not sold in packs that only came in the, the full box, it was really a mini box, for the tops traded set.

SPEAKER 3: So, that's every one of these that are out on the market are from broken sets. So to, to your point. But that being said, I'll take the player, I'll take the card, put them together and, and, and to me, to me it's a winner. So, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: No, no argument.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I think I win that one. I'm kidding. 3rd, 3rd base.

SPEAKER 1: Where are you going? My turn. Is it my turn? Yeah, it's your turn. I almost got a free draft pick right there. I almost moved up without making a trade.

SPEAKER 3: Where did my third baseman go?

SPEAKER 1: Do you want me to go first? Yeah, you go.

SPEAKER 3: You go because I lost my third baseman.

SPEAKER 1: You just Minnesota Vikings does remember when the Vikings didn't make their pick. And so they went to the next team during the NFL draft. I did it twice actually.

SPEAKER 3: So, all right, I had the real quick the, the reason that we didn't pick the T 206 Wagner, we were trying to keep it mostly mostly to vintage and not early pre-war, but obviously the Wagner is, is clearly kind of card another card.

SPEAKER 1: I like to say this another card I wouldn't throw out of bed.

SPEAKER 3: So, so who's your third base?

SPEAKER 1: And this is, you know, we can argue again, this is not necessarily saying he's the best third baseman of all time, although he is in the discussion, but I, I lo I like the card, another set that's grown on me in, in recent years and that's the, the 75 cops. George Brett, you know, again, young George Brett does there and, you know, I don't know what, you know, just a great player.

SPEAKER 1: I'm not a George Brett guy per se, but I like the 70 fives, you know, you got the multicolor, the blue baseball, on the bottom with the position. And so I went with, with, with George Brett, we could make an argument. Brooks Robinson. I think I know where you're going. I might have just gave away your pick, Mike Schmidt.

SPEAKER 1: It is in the mix too and, and that's a rookie. I do own, but I, I wanted to go with a solo air card. So I went with the Bret.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I certainly respect the bread. So I think it's an undervalued rookie card. I actually think it's a great buy II I, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: He's very cheap. That card can be had for, you know, 100 a couple 100 box in, in pretty decent grade form. It is, you know, then you got the 75 minis. There's a lot of like with the 75 year di directions you can go. So I, I went with the breath but go ahead. Ii, I think I know where you're going. But you totally.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I, I took your 75 and I flip flopped into a 57 and, I made it, I, I took the Brooks Robinson 57 tops. The set. If you're not familiar, it's the first year with full photography, the first year of career stats, the first year of the standard size card and the greatest third baseman of all time. That, that, that if I wasn't, if I wasn't biased enough already.

SPEAKER 1: And listen, the timing, the timing of it too, I probably would have went Robin, I probably would have want Brooks. But I knew you were gonna cover it human vacuum and no doubt. Yeah, just incredible place. You know, being an infielder. And so I was always told to watch like videos of Brooks Robinson if, if I, you know, if I could find them.

SPEAKER 1: So, yeah, that one, that one's a better pick, but I knew I didn't want, I didn't want to have the same card, at least on that one. So, I went with the Brett and I knew you were gonna go, Brooksie. So, I don't wanna say I let you have it, but I just went in a little different direction. You know, what?

SPEAKER 3: Here you go, Brooksie.

SPEAKER 3: All right, tonight, tonight is a tough one to get through. Ok. Moving on. Where, where, where, where are we.

SPEAKER 1: Where are we? I heard Danny passing on. Melvin Mora is a surprise. Yeah, man, he was a close.

SPEAKER 3: Second and his 12 children were all tied for third.

SPEAKER 3: He does. He has like 12 children.

SPEAKER 1: He's like George Foreman. What they name? Melvin?

SPEAKER 3: Well, it'd be weird if Melvin named them all. George.

SPEAKER 1: No, that'd be kind of funny.

SPEAKER 3: Brooks he involved invented the one hop throw to first. Yes, Mike. He did. And Mike, you know this, I'm not telling you, he played it on grass at home turf on the road and he dominated at both and that's not talked about enough.

SPEAKER 3: The 1970 World Series, most of his good plays were on turf and people said that, that he couldn't handle the turf that he played on grass. He could more than handle the turf. So, all right, I got that out of my system.

SPEAKER 3: Are we on the outfield?

SPEAKER 1: I think we are. All right. Whose turn is it? Well, it's, it's technically mine, but you gave up your, your, your third base pick, when you didn't find the graphics. So I, I'll let you go, first again, then I'll.

SPEAKER 3: Take the chalk of all chalk. Is that ok? Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER 1: So, well, what position I, I, you know, we're doing left field, center field, right field. So which one?

SPEAKER 1: I took three hours?

SPEAKER 1: Ok. I went actually position specific but go look who got extra credit, but go ahead. You, you cheated and just said, I'm thinking I took, I.

SPEAKER 3: Took, I took two center fielders and a right fielder. So when you talk about greatest center fielders, greatest baseball players, most iconic baseball cards, I mean, it's a short conversation to get to the 52 tops Mickey Mantle. I mean, I felt almost embarrassed to pick such a chalk card. You know, this, this is basically picking the, the, the T 206 Wagner.

SPEAKER 3: You know, I, I, I'm, I'm not proud that I didn't pick something, you know, sexier. It's just a great card. It is, it's not his rookie.

SPEAKER 3: But it's, there's no more iconic mind that his rookie card. Oh my God.

SPEAKER 3: So I, I just, I just thought it was deserving.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I didn't pick it. I didn't pick it because you can't argue it. I'm not, I'm not shooting the pick down, not, not even close, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't pick so well. I'll go with my center fielder since it's your pick. Yeah, I went with the other guy that played in New York as well, I think because of Mickey Mantle, we don't talk about this guy enough, right?

SPEAKER 1: And this is an iconic card in its own right? And I know it's not a 52 tops mantle, but it's a 53 tops Willie Mays and right now and hopefully that stays that way. He the greatest living ball player, we have, on, on the face of the earth and so not as rookie card either. I went with, again, combining player and card. And that's why I settled on, the 53 maze, the 52 maze, as well.

SPEAKER 1: I thought about that and, and, and I, I, one, yeah, well, the 50 the 50 ones is rookie. Right? And I can, it, it's not, it's not a bad looking card. I just went with kind of the combination of not having, it doesn't have to be a rookie. It's a combination of the, the quality of player and the specific card. So I went with the 53 Mas. And, another card you really won't kick out of bed as I and.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie brings up a great point. It's, a great pre pre Mets Willie Mays card.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, 20 years later, 23 years, 20 years later, exactly. In 1973 you can get an older looking Willie Mays, in a Mets uniform.

SPEAKER 1: I call it the sad, sad.

SPEAKER 3: Willie Mays that card. That card just looks sad. The, the Mets Willie Mays card, I.

SPEAKER 1: Mean, yeah, not, not his best year. Let's just put it down, right.

SPEAKER 3: Johnny United finished with the, with the San Diego Chargers. So, you know, people forget that.

SPEAKER 3: Ok, so back to me for outfielders and since I cheated and took another center fielder, I'm gonna show it, I've talked about this card before. I think of a certain generation. We, we, we need to keep talking about it.

SPEAKER 3: Because it is gonna go down as one of the great baseball cards ever made, ever created, ever designed the most graded card of all time.

SPEAKER 1: You took it. Yeah, it was on my list, but it was so chalk like to me. So here's where I'm gonna, here's what I'm Danny Vanilla.

SPEAKER 1: That's your rap name. That, that was my Danny Vanilla. Let's welcome Danny Vanilla to the stage and Vanilla. Nice to sue you. Yeah. You know the, it's funny because the Griffey and the man who were both on us and I just said, man, they're both chalk.

SPEAKER 1: And then I went off chalk with, with the Willie. But you can't argue. That's a listen that checks my boxes too, right? Rookie card. Facial. Close up. I just think there's so many of them. Ii, I I didn't pick it but you know, I, I won't argue.

SPEAKER 3: I won't cover that. Ken Murphy if I didn't say it. Podcast.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I, I love the card. I, I just didn't, I didn't pick it. It was on my, it was on my list that I, I just didn't make the, I just didn't pull the trigger on it. So I went with the mace as far as cause I went, you know, position specific. So I guess I'll go, I won't argue with the Griffey but I, I just wanna, I just.

SPEAKER 3: Wanted people in the comments. I'm curious what, what they think about the E 89 Griffy. If they look at it as an iconic card or if they look at it as an overproduced card.

SPEAKER 1: Well, it is a listen, we're not gonna be be it is over it. Is it? Well, it is iconic. No, you're right. It is iconic and it's overproduced. But you know, that's, but here's the crazy thing. It's still iconic, even though it's overproduced.

SPEAKER 1: That is not easy to do. You know. So yes. Well, it's not that it's not that easy to be overproduced and iconic at the same time, but the Griffey 89 upper deck actually pulls it off and, so do I.

SPEAKER 3: So do my twin board.

SPEAKER 1: All right, I'm going, I'm going with my right fielder pick here. Not with the rookie card. It's a second year card.

SPEAKER 1: I don't like the looks of his rookie cards.

SPEAKER 1: But I went with Tony Gwyn. Another guy, if you notice a trend, I'm going with some guys that I think don't get enough love in baseball and maybe even in, in, in the Hobby and, and Tony Gwen, just some of the, the stats you look them up, how little he struck out, batted three hu 300 basically every year.

SPEAKER 1: Just one of the toughest outs, in baseball history. You know, when we talk about guys, we wind up when you need, it's two outs and you need a base hit to tie the game, not to win it. But just to, to keep playing, he's one of them, my 1st, 1st, picks and I don't think he gets no. And I love this card. I know it's not as rookie. I was about to read.

SPEAKER 3: That this is the 84 donors. Do you really like the look of it?

SPEAKER 1: I love 84 downers. I know some people don't but just the way like it almost looks like I'm one of those people.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: I opened I was 12 years old in 19 84 and I can tell you where a good percentage of my allowance and any money I earned from doing odd jobs went to 84 diners pack, not just for the Gwyn but obviously the Mattingly Rookie, which is also a big big face card. So that's just a great Tony Gwynn card and you know, I love it. I anytime I see it it just brings back memory of of 1984 for me and you know, I wish it was his rookie card.

SPEAKER 1: We just would be ideal if it was but it's not an 84 don r I don't know how to explain the minority on this one. I'm gonna, yeah, I, I love, it's one of my favorite all time designs. 84 and this one that surprise you. 85 down. So, I, I like the 84 Downers better, but the 85 down is, is, is, is sneaky.

SPEAKER 1: So, yeah, I, I sort of, I, I am sort of consistent maybe to a, a fall almost like I'm sort of predictable, but I love those close up shots where you get to know, that you see the player a little more than you would watching the game on TV, right? What you see on TV, see them, but you got the helmet on. But $84 I opened, oh my God, so much of that. It's, it's crazy.

SPEAKER 1: And that was, you know, one of the first for Don Russ who was new on the block, that was like the first car that their first release that they had where people took notice, you know, from 81 82 83 Don Russ was ugly, lots of errors and mistakes in 84. Don Russ was like, oh, Don Russ is, is, is, is coming now. And, so between that Tony Gwynn and that the look of that card, I, I went with it. Well, I can't, I.

SPEAKER 3: Can't argue with Tony Gwen. He was inducted at the same, Hall Of Fame induction ceremony with Cal Ripken. So I was lucky enough to see him induct into the hall, while he was alive and, what a separate, boy, have you picked a lot of depressing guys who passed away early?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I don't, and I don't think I did that. I wasn't thinking along those lines but you, you, it's funny looking at my list. Yeah, there's, there is a sort of that, not, not across the board but listen, Willie Mays is still alive. They probably just jinxed it, but you try to average it out.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie says 84 Dunross has excellent photography, clear, elegant vision in the design guys. I, hey, I, I'll, I'll, I'll admit.

SPEAKER 1: I'm getting killed. I got a lot of, I got a lot of fans backing me up here on the 84 and just, I don't even know what you call it. It always struck me as like a music you ever seen like musical notes? And it's, it's on on, I'm sure it's called something and not being musically talented. I don't know what it's called, but it always had that sort of feel to it. So DiMaggio was on my short list. I didn't pick it.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but you can't go wrong. I, I just had one of those go in an SGC bulk sub and come back pretty nice grade. So. All right.

SPEAKER 3: Is it my turn? Yes. All right. So I'm on my third outfielder and John, I can't believe I'm doing this, but you have this card.

SPEAKER 1: I do. It's behind me. I didn't pick it up.

SPEAKER 3: I took the 54 tops. Hank Aaron, I told you I love the 54 tops. It's his rookie card. It's Hank Aaron. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER 3: I'll take this card all day and twice on Sundays.

SPEAKER 1: Well, listen, I, I, you know, this was my big purchase of 2023 so I will not argue.

SPEAKER 1: It is behind me. I, I, I only went with one truck. I thought if I went with this card, I thought about it. I'm like, it's too, too much chalk for, for one episode. So I would not argue to pick.

SPEAKER 1: Obviously, I just went, I went off Chuck, but, probably my second favorite card, you know, I get asked that like after the Jackie, what is your, I'd have to say to Hank, you know, it's, it's like picking kids, right? I only have one son. So it's easy for me to pick my favorite kid. And some days I don't even pick him. You told me, you told.

SPEAKER 3: Me you didn't have a son.

SPEAKER 1: That was one of the, where I did. That's why I didn't pick him that day.

SPEAKER 1: But like, you know, that's probably my second favorite card. And, and I, again at 54 tops in the last couple of years, I used to not, not like it that much. And then, then I, it grew on me and it just when you think between the design and the, the rookies that carry that set, right? Just crazy. So I think it's.

SPEAKER 3: Important anytime we can tie Major League into our conversation here in the movie, Mookie says that Hank Aaron card is in Pedro Serrano's locker in Major League. I'm down with Hank and Joe.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 1: So I do it myself. I do it myself.

SPEAKER 1: There's a line before that, but this is a kids show, so I will not repeat that. I think I ruined.

SPEAKER 3: The kids show part. I think I ruined the kids show part a long time ago.

SPEAKER 3: It's one of those weeks, it's one of those weeks guys put your kids to bed. We got, we got 10 minutes left.

SPEAKER 3: All right back to you, Mr Newman.

SPEAKER 1: Another I go in, my last outfielder, I went with the left field, this guy, another guy, by.

SPEAKER 3: The way, can I tell you something? You picked one of my favorite players? And I'm so disappointed you got him and I forgot him. I absolutely blank.

SPEAKER 1: Throw it up there. Another underrated dude, right? Than usual. This is the, the, 52 Bowman.

SPEAKER 1: And just the client. Look at that man, just the color on that thing. You got the Cardinals logo on his jersey, there batting stance. You got the stadium in the back, the facsimile auto, right above his head. This is, the 52 moments. So you don't have the, the black box with the name in there.

SPEAKER 1: You just have to read it, but you don't have to read this card cause anyone that looks at it instantly knows about its stand usual. And again, I gravitate towards guys that don't get enough Hobby love.

SPEAKER 1: And, this guy, is, is one of those guys and, it's not his rookie card but it's just, it's one of those cards, like, I, I collect rookie cards but if, if I'm looking through cards and this is in that for, you know, to buy, I'm like, I love this car. Right? And, I think a lot of other people, you know, love it too and, this one kind of came to me pretty quick when I was thinking, left for you.

SPEAKER 3: Well, can I give an honorable mention one also that I had? Sure. Are we too early for honorable mentions?

SPEAKER 1: No, you can, we, I mean, we only have the DH left, so, and we don't have any rules.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm, I'm doing it.

SPEAKER 1: He's no, actually any play, right? What's that saying? Right. The best ability is availability.

SPEAKER 3: So, 1111 of the cards that I really, really considered, and, and, and I just, you know, it's hard to pick three outfielders. It's just, yeah.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Yeah. You know what then and not that I didn't, I'm.

SPEAKER 3: Sorry for, for the podcast. It's the Roberta Clemente Rookie.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that was the card I tried. That was on my short list for the National that I, I couldn't seem to, to get in, in the price range that I needed it to be at. Yeah, another iconic card. And again, you, you know, we could like, like Dylan says we could do the show every week and, and have no trouble coming up with, with list and, and cards, right?

SPEAKER 1: And Roberto Clemente, no one's gonna argue that I will say this. I, I didn't forget about it, but when I was kind of coming up on my list, iii I guess I did, I forgot about it in that moment. I, I didn't forget about it.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, I, I would, I would tell people try to limit it to three outfielders, pick, find 33 baseball cards, outfielders. It's very hard to get to three.

SPEAKER 1: It would have been easier. Had the criteria just been only the best players in for the cards, have nothing to do with it. But when you sort of factor, although again, f 55 tops, Clement holds a beautiful card.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: All right. It gets, it gets a special category. I just made that up. It gets a special category. It's, it's gotten.

SPEAKER 1: Award we made the show, made the show. Ok.

SPEAKER 3: So we're on to.

SPEAKER 1: Dh Yeah, boy, talk about going out with a whimper, but that's where we're probably gonna do here was what you thought was my shortstop pick. Paul Oliver actually played more games at D I thought you were doing, I'm sorry, I thought you were doing UL Washington or Mickey Klutz with a name like clutch.

SPEAKER 1: You can't go wrong if that, that always works in baseball. Like Klutz with the error. I can hear Phil Riszo right now like, 0000 white Klutz made another error.

SPEAKER 1: Although he did, he was more known for as an Oakland A Paul Oliver, I went with the Paul and here's why because with the Paul Moder rookie, it's not the best. Listen aesthetically and maybe I probably should be grilled for this aesthetically. It's not the greatest card, but you got two Hall Of Famers on one card right here as rookies, right? Paul Maler and Alan Tran, by.

SPEAKER 3: The way, Mike, Mike Petty. I love you. You're my spirit animal.

SPEAKER 1: Thank you, Dave.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, Dave Kingman was, you know, I remember him in the Mets the early Mets days.

SPEAKER 1: I went with this card. It's DH right. It was, it was a lot of different ways I could have went.

SPEAKER 1: And then not really cause there's limited DH S that are where I went with this cause you get two Hall Of Famers aesthetically. It's not a great looking card. But man, this card is still affordable for, for two Hall Of Fame rookies on, on one card.

SPEAKER 1: And you, like you said, you get Klutz and UL Washington for no charge once you buy the tram and the, and the Paul Ma John.

SPEAKER 3: Can you read this book?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I, I probably did II I went, I tried to get cute. I tried to get cute with the DH pick now. So, you know, I thought someone's gonna say, well man, Paul Molander, you know, was a third baseman. He played like three times as many games as DH as then he did third. He played, he was a heck of a hitter.

SPEAKER 3: But the card, the card's just ugly and he, and of all the hitters of all time, you could have done better. I'm a little disappointed in you.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. You know, that's what you get. What you, when you pick the ages, I guess, you know, it's, it's, it's tricky. I, I gotta see what you, how you came up with this one. Ok.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I absolutely, where's my DH, here? We have a lot of cards in the computer right now, guys. Ok. Here we go.

SPEAKER 1: No, he's not a tech.

SPEAKER 3: Like, I don't know when he, when he came back after his hip surgery, he was only a DH, man.

SPEAKER 1: That's, yeah, but I don't think of him at age. I think of that guy running through walls, climbing up walls. Like I didn't break the rule.

SPEAKER 3: I bent the rule and we're, we're gonna go with that.

SPEAKER 1: So II I tell you what, man, you, you do have a man crush on this card that we, that, that is a proven fact because anytime you can get that card. Yeah, on the show.

SPEAKER 1: And like, yeah, I know we played DH but I don't look at Bo Jackson as a, as a DH. Yeah. See Orlando agrees with me.

SPEAKER 1: You know, people were arguing about like, oh, there we go. We both went out. We both, we both took a strike at the, on our last picks.

SPEAKER 3: Oh, look at this. I think he's showing. I think that's for your car. John, b was great. He had three homers in four innings and then hurt himself robbing homer had to leave the game.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, he was a great, one of the greatest athletes to ever play us boards. Right.

SPEAKER 3: Another, another tragic ending on, on for as far as playing career.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. And I tell you what if you ever get to read Bo Jackson's autob autobiography? Try saying that apparently I can't. Do you get the idea?

SPEAKER 1: Great. He overcame a lot of, of adversity as a kid who started, who got picked on.

SPEAKER 1: And I think he had the last laugh over some of his childhood classmates that made life very tricky for him. But so great story in that regards and a great athlete, overcame some of those, you know, speaking impediments and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 1: And, even, you know, his career might have been shorter than, you know, between the Heisman House and TV spots. He's still, he's still in the forefront, right. And, still a legend, you know, I, I think I, you.

SPEAKER 3: You know, the Heisman House is fake, right? I just wanna make sure, oh.

SPEAKER 1: They don't all live together?

SPEAKER 3: I, I just wanna make sure.

SPEAKER 1: Ok, well, I just thought it was weird that like, well, how do the wives, how big is this house? And where do the wives sleep?

SPEAKER 1: Where are all the trophies?

SPEAKER 1: Yeah. Where are the trophies and where are the wives go?

SPEAKER 1: All right.

SPEAKER 3: Well, this was fun. I needed, I needed a little break for the week.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, a little lighthearted. Just a tease for an upcoming episode. We're not sure when it's gonna happen but, we're gonna have Doctor Jim on and we're gonna do our, Mount Rushmore of how Bobby people and we're all three gonna do our own picks without sharing notes. I'm sure some of them will overlap again there too, but it'll be a fun. Look at, you know, take.

SPEAKER 3: Take nominations for that. Definitely take nominations if you have somebody you think should be included.

SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I mean, I kind of know, I know my John's not gonna take your nominations but I will, well, listen, I kind of know. I, I don't know, man, I've been doing this a long time. Maybe that's the problem.

SPEAKER 1: So I love like the four guys. I'm gonna pick, you know.

SPEAKER 3: Nie, because I learned so much about Bo Jackson and Chuck Dobson tonight. Thanks, dude.

SPEAKER 1: Oh, they're so close. They're so close as, as athletes to each other.

SPEAKER 3: Mike. You're the best. You're a man. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER 1: You gotta, we gotta have a little fun. Listen, I don't know when the last time Chuck does Robson was mentioned, but we've ended that streak tonight. A new one will start before he's probably ever mentioned again. I will venture a guess. There's no way I can get him. Unless, you know, I don't even, I'm hoping he's still alive. I don't even know.

SPEAKER 1: To be quite honest with the way, the way, the way your list went tonight, John, we started with Chuck Dobson and we ended with a generic Paul mole.

SPEAKER 3: L Washington. We got UL Washington in there. I was, well, Ul, that was great. All right, my friend. Well, in, in the, in this crazy crazy world we live in.

SPEAKER 3: Let me just say to you to, yes, I am on Hobby hotline tomorrow. Thank you, Logan. A quick turnaround. Logan will be doing most of the talking on Hobby hotline tomorrow. By the way, if you tune in, he does know that Doctor Beckett Logan and I'll be running the board quietly.

SPEAKER 3: But I really want to say in this crazy world, you know, I, I genuinely appreciate you guys coming into the chat room. I can't tell you how much it means to have, have some fun, have, have some feedback and talk cards and, yeah, you guys are just the, the absolute best and it makes my week and, and, yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll, yeah, let me, I just, I, I, I'll, I'll second that right.

SPEAKER 1: I say this on all my programming, right? If, if it wasn't for, you folks out there, whether you're watching us live, make idiot picks like we did today or you listen to us, on podcast, in audio form only which is probably maybe the safest bet.

SPEAKER 1: But, I'll just aside, we appreciate it. It's a great outlet for us and, and, and hopefully for you as well to kinda, you know, that's what the Hobby is about. Right. It's an outlet to take our mind off of everyday mundane stuff in life or in some cases, tragedies, of life.

SPEAKER 1: And that doesn't mean those things aren't important or they're not going on it. But you, you, sometimes you need to, to, you know, take a break from dwelling on that, have a couple of laughs in the process.

SPEAKER 1: And, keep going. Right. You gotta keep going and, sometimes it's hard. But you got, you know, you gotta keep going and, so we're glad to, we're glad to, to share some of this stuff, with you and, you know, you never know.

SPEAKER 1: You know, I think we've proven you never know what you, you might hear on this show from Chuck Dobson to bad impression. And I, again, like I always say, when I sometimes use this to do a little promo, I'm like, safety is not guaranteed. So, there you go.

SPEAKER 3: But, you know, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hit the outro. But, but, I don't have the words for, for how much this means and for everybody tomorrow morning on Hobby hotline, if you're listening on the podcast, then Hobby hotlines already passed and you can hear it there. But, you know, let's all come together. Love you guys, love the cards, love the Hobby. Have a good one.

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