Card Mensches E21 w/Mike-Junk Wax Hero

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SPEAKER 3: Hi, I'm Danny Black and I'm John Newman. Welcome to Car.

SPEAKER 3: Well, hello, I'm still Danny Black and that is not John Newman. That is Mike, the mayor of Maine Junk wax hero, my good friend, Mike. You are absolutely a mention qualified more than qualified to, to sit in and thanks for being here.

SPEAKER 4: Thanks for accepting me as your downgrade of the night with John being unavailable.

SPEAKER 3: No, dude, you were only my fifth call. Don't worry.

SPEAKER 3: A little bit different than when you and I do other shows. We're just gonna kind of take it a little bit more casual for those of you who follow Card Mensches. Normally we're every other Friday but due to the start of the Jewish New Year tomorrow night in Rosh Hashana and we thought that it would be probably in bad taste to do card men on Rosh Hashana. So we've decided to move it to Thursday night.

SPEAKER 3: Chris Ramsey, I am trying to watch the Orioles. My internet went out about five minutes before we went on air.

SPEAKER 3: So, I am hotspot this and please keep me updated playing Tampa Bay on Fox right now. It's killing me.

SPEAKER 3: I know there's Mon Thursday night football also.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben Reuben, I went to the store just for you, Reuben. There we go.

SPEAKER 3: Happy New Year. Yes. Happy New Year to you, Steven.

SPEAKER 3: Mike. You're, you're, you're, you're the honored guest. So I'm gonna let you introduce yourself, Mike.

SPEAKER 4: Channel name is junk wax hero on YouTube. I've been you tubing for 2/2 years now and I enjoy sports cards, mostly baseball cards and mostly vintage and junk wax. Obviously.

SPEAKER 3: Mike's channel is fantastic if you don't already watch it. I'm guessing most of the people in the room here probably do know Mike. But if you don't, certainly check out his channel, he, he absolutely kills it almost every day. How many shows are you doing? A week now? 28.

SPEAKER 4: About four, maybe five. Occasionally. That's your channel. That's on my channel. Yeah. And, yeah, like tomorrow, I'm on Newman's podcast which will post two weeks later. I think if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER 3: He does it in leap years. He likes to store them up and then every February 29th he releases all of them.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, wow. There's gonna be a lot of content.

SPEAKER 3: I, I think I'm gonna hear it about that one. Where is John Newman tonight? He is healthy for, for those of you, who asked, I, I got a couple DM. He is watching the Savannah Bananas so we can decide later if that's a, a good enough excuse. But he's watching the Savannah Bananas up in Syracuse tonight.

SPEAKER 3: And, you know what can you say? It's a full VIP package with all you can eat food and it's John Newman. So I think we saw the writing on the wall.

SPEAKER 4: You have me at all, you can eat food. But the Savannah Bananas looks like an amazing show. They came to Portland Maine. Last month I wanna say, and it was sold out eight months in advance and my wife was very upset.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I had no idea that they were that popular. I mean, I've seen the, I've seen the gimmicks and the stuff on sportscenter and some of the stuff I had no idea they were this popular.

SPEAKER 4: It looks like it's great family entertainment.

SPEAKER 3: He, he's enjoying all you can eat beef jerky or Jersey. I don't know. At the game, I think John would probably, would eat Beef Jersey if it was me. Yeah, he probably would, It'd probably be delicious when he was done cooking it. He's a good griller.

SPEAKER 3: I, I had a topic that I wanted to talk about for a while. Jerky. Thank you, Reuben. But all the, the idea of a Beef Jersey is pretty interesting. It, it, I think it's better than Costanza's idea on Seinfeld. So, we won't go back to the polyester or was it all cotton? Which, which, which one did he? It was, it was the polyester, right.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. No, weren't they? I think all cotton made them cotton.

SPEAKER 3: Right. Right. I weighed £400 and I love that show.

SPEAKER 3: So topic I've wanted to do for a while and I'm glad I actually get to do it with you because you, you, this is pretty much right in your wheelhouse.

SPEAKER 3: What have we learned over the years about cars? And then let's take this imaginary scenario where we get to start over. Our collections are gone. We've cashed it out for whatever the, the the, the, the, they're, they're done. If we acquired cards in a weird way, we don't get to do that again. So, love the show about nothing. Newman Seinfeld. Yeah, I forgot about Newman and Seinfeld.

SPEAKER 3: That, that should have been obvious. So, if we were to start these collections, what, how would we look at? You know, it, it wouldn't be organic because it wouldn't be over time. We kind of, let's say we went shopping within reason. The, the idea of this is not to say we would buy a T 206 Wagner A 52 Mantel, you know, a 48 Jack, you can go home.

SPEAKER 3: That, that, that's not the idea. Thank you. Rich 33. This is killing me. Keep it, keep, keep the scores coming guys. You're keeping you keeping my oxygen going.

SPEAKER 3: So Mike, I think we've both learned stuff. Yes. Well, Happy New Year Rich.

SPEAKER 3: We've both learned stuff over the years. Do you collect differently now than when you first got into it? I would assume that's a pretty obvious question.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. So when I got back in a few years ago, I bought everything. I liked everything that looked good and I would buy it and I ended up with this very, very weird collection that I didn't love.

SPEAKER 4: It didn't make a whole lot of sense. And over the summer I started saying, what am I doing here? Why, why do I own this car. Do I look at this card and get excited about it? And I really didn't.

SPEAKER 4: And so I made a thought about it for months and then I made a big decision to start selling off all the cards that didn't fit with what, what I wanted my collection to be and then take that money and start doing what I really wanted with my collection.

SPEAKER 4: And I, I sold off pretty significant number of cards, only the big ones because I haven't quite yet figured out how to sell off the, the small dollar cards efficiently and effectively.

SPEAKER 4: But yeah, I, I came to that realization earlier this year and started implementing my change this summer, right? A little before the National in the couple of months leading up to the National.

SPEAKER 3: How would you say you would used to versus with the changes you made? Like what made you decide? Ok, I'm willing to sell this card because it no longer fits my profile. Is it just enjoying?

SPEAKER 4: So like a 1966 Ernie Banks doesn't give me joy. And so I feel a little like, what, what was her name? Marie Kondo who says if it doesn't spark joy, I don't know anything about her or her stuff. But that I would have random cards from players careers. And the only ones that brought me joy were like rookie cards, autograph cards, ones that had stories that came with them.

SPEAKER 4: 19, there were, there are some like 19 fifties megastars that I would take. Ted Williams from 58 or really any Ted Williams Hank Aaron from 58 59. Mick, Any Mickey Mantle from the fifties that I would love to have. But there are, or, or Ernie Banks too because fifties, they're, I don't know, they're just, I like them a lot more. Go ahead.

SPEAKER 3: Do I have that? I'm about to ask a question.

SPEAKER 4: Look to me, definitely did.

SPEAKER 3: Ok, so I've been congested for two weeks. So I think I'm over over. So the Banks got me only because, I think he's an underrated player. Do you like fifties Banks beyond his rookie?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Sure.

SPEAKER 3: It just cuts off at a certain point where you say he played a million years and I'm no longer into it.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Yeah. And there's no specific time frame really. But I want rookies and I have watched it if you've watched, 3d 3d eighties Kid or eighties, 3d Kid. No, 3d eighties kid. Right, John. And he talks a lot about how he doesn't want rookie cards because they're not cost effective. He only wants second year cards.

SPEAKER 4: I'm, I'm the opposite. I appreciate his strategy and I, I get it, but I want the rookies and I will wait, I'll be patient for the rookies and I want rookies autographed. I'm never gonna get a Hank Aaron Rookie autograph or Mickey Mantle. Rookie Autograph. But I'll be happy to have any of those guys and their cards from the fifties.

SPEAKER 3: Ok. Rich, Rich, we have three channels but I appreciate that buddy.

SPEAKER 3: Rich Rich said the 66 Banks is an easy card. Does that play into it for you, Mike?

SPEAKER 4: What do you mean that the, that they're common, the scarcity?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, maybe a little bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: And I think this is exactly to that point. Yeah. Pretty, pretty highly produced card. Yeah. And he was already a star by the later years. Now. This might speak to your point. So, the values, and the cards tend to be more common because people collected and held them to the stars.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. It's, it's less about value. I don't think about value of my cards after I buy them. Which seems strange. But once I've, once I, I do a lot of research on value because I don't want to pay full price.

SPEAKER 4: I want to get it for a bargain.

SPEAKER 4: And so I'll, I'll be patient. Fits in fantastical card mentions everybody and I'll wait, I'll be patient and then once I've paid for it I will never think about the value of that card again.

SPEAKER 3: You, ok, you'll never think about the value or it doesn't matter. There's two different things to me.

SPEAKER 4: It does matter. Absolutely, but I never think about it again. I'm not, I don't have an app that tracks the value of my players or my cards. That just doesn't occur to me at all. But I do want to, I do want my cards to have value someday.

SPEAKER 4: So in 30 40 years when I'm dead, I want my family to call up chasing cardboard or Chris Sewell and say, hey, I've got this great collection come by Baltimore Sports collectibles, Danny Black who, so some guy who, who occasionally does some broker Chris, my favorite player to collect is Yaz Carly Streams. But Pedro Martinez, Ken Griffey Junior, those guys are, are my favorites.

SPEAKER 3: Do you seek them out now as part of your new mantra?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, less Griffy like I want his rookie, I've got two of his rookie autographed there and I want more of his rookie autographed. But I'm not buying a, I'm not actively buying Ken Griffey Junior cards like I was before.

SPEAKER 3: So I think you and I are pretty similar because I got to a point where I wanted more stuff that I had personal connections to. I don't know if I think that's kind of what you're describing. I don't want to talk about the autograph specifically because of that.

SPEAKER 3: But there was one card and I sold it and I felt that like I literally like, felt like I sold out on that one. That's one that should have never made the first sale.

SPEAKER 3: And and I thought Mike was a huge Phil planter collector. He is, he is, he just doesn't want, he doesn't want a pump and dump. He's keeping that, below the radar.

SPEAKER 4: He hit those, what was that? 1990 or 91 when he hit those 11 home runs and 44 games maybe, man. And he had tree trunks for thighs and I was just a little kid and I was like, this guy is so big, He's gonna hit a million home runs.

SPEAKER 3: Can I tell you how many Mike Greenwell cards?

SPEAKER 4: I had, I still have a lot, Mike Greenwell's nephew or Mike Greenwell's son follows me on Instagram.

SPEAKER 3: 00, what's up Mike Greenwell's son, nephew, nephew.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I posted a rookie autograph of Greenwell and he followed me and said that's my uncle and he's posted things with, with him before.

SPEAKER 3: Very cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So I went through and the card I sold was, let me see if I Greenwell should have been MVP in 88 by the way Greenwell should have had a much.

SPEAKER 3: This, this was the one I sold.

SPEAKER 4: Oh, is that, is that a nine here? Yeah, it's a, it's a nine. Yeah, I have that a couple copies of it, but neither are created and neither are worth grading.

SPEAKER 3: So obviously I've rebuilt it.

SPEAKER 3: I that was the part that chain that, that, that, that, that changed a lot of perspective for me.

SPEAKER 3: I don't know if you know, I've told the story, I had my whole collection stolen when I was a, when I was a young dealer. And I don't think I've ever really gotten back to what was important to me for personal collecting.

SPEAKER 3: You know, hardcore way. So recently I've been on kind of a run.

SPEAKER 3: And I'm proud, I'm proud of that. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I feel better when I make purchases now. Do you feel differently? Do you have a different like visual reaction to getting a card now?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I felt, I felt like I was hoarding before. I just see a card. I wanted see a card I liked and I would buy it and then there was no connection to them.

SPEAKER 4: There was no, I would get it and I'd get excited for a second and then I would put it away and never felt any need to take it back out again and look at it and now I buy fewer cards, but they're more meaningful and they have formed a collection that I take out and I look at and I'm proud of it and I enjoy it. So, yeah, I, that's, that's what's important to me.

SPEAKER 3: So that's where I think the autographs are tie right in with what you're saying. Talk to me about how the autographs came to be part of your collection.

SPEAKER 4: Oh boy, that's a good question.

SPEAKER 4: I, I first heard about TT M through the mail autographs at the end of 2021. I don't remember how, but I enjoyed autographs at that time. And I, it's hard for me to explain why I enjoy autographs. It's just, they're different.

SPEAKER 4: It's not like, like I can get a junk wax card that holds zero financial value and get it autographed and all of a sudden it has some financial value but even more personal value to it, even if it's just a like a 1988 Roberto Aamar that's worth $15. It's I, I enjoy that a lot more than the 1988. Roberto Omar.

SPEAKER 4: That's not autographed and it, it gives junk wax cards less. I feel like junk wax is pejorative and when you, when you get it autographed, junk wax Rich, I know he had that 40 40. I know Ken had the 40 40 season, but my point is Kenko was juicing, which is why Greenwell should have won anyway.

SPEAKER 4: So I started doing TT M over Christmas vacation in 2021 and I sent the first one off to Stump Merrell. Which, why, why would you send it to Stump Merrill? I was a huge Red Sox fan. Stump Merrill was the Yankees manager in the early nineties when at the peak of my fandom, but he was also five houses down the street from me and he was super nice to me.

SPEAKER 3: I got asked, did you mail it or put it in the mailbox.

SPEAKER 4: I, I, I did mail it and he still lives in the, that same house. I don't live down the street from him anymore. But, we do live fairly close to each other but he still lives in that same house. I thought it would be weird if I rode my bike over to his house because it's not terribly far away and be like, hey, well, I'd still put.

SPEAKER 3: It in the mailbox but you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: And then I was hooked, I was hooked from there. I can just mail cards to people and have them sign them. This is awesome.

SPEAKER 3: Most of I shouldn't say most of a good bit of your bottom row is autograph cards.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. I've got Koufax autographed. Not by the way.

SPEAKER 3: Please tell your wife should something happen to you? I will be happy to handle that card so we can have everything else.

SPEAKER 4: It is in quite poor condition here. I'll show you and there's another mantle there behind it. Also not autographed.

SPEAKER 3: I, any time, any time you're not happy with that. Let me know.

SPEAKER 4: It's not gonna happen. It comes with the story and I'm, I'm a storyteller. I, I love stories.

SPEAKER 4: Dwight Evans rookie Maral, rookie, Ra Rafael Devers, rookie Griffey, junior, rookie Griffey, junior, rookie Pedro and Ramon Martinez signed, I don't have any Jordan autographs but way to throw Ramon Martinez in there. Yeah. Yeah, I was a huge Ramone fan as a kid.

SPEAKER 3: That might be the first time those words have ever ever been uttered.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I liked strikeout pitchers and Ramone was a strikeout pitcher. You look back at his numbers now and you're like, that was a strikeout pitcher back then. But it was when you go to a wait, hang on, what is us sports cards when you go to a card show? Which way do you go? First? Left? Middle or? Right. Always. Right. That's a great question. I've never thought about it, but I do always go right and then I do it.

SPEAKER 4: I go to.

SPEAKER 3: Try to find the main aisle, whatever the main middle aisle is. I try to cut through that first.

SPEAKER 4: I always, I guess I will always go all the way around and then I'll go in up and down the aisle if there are good.

SPEAKER 3: First one right here, here's one from Chris Ramsey. Why don't the cards get numbered for stolen cards since the market is only going up? I know graded cards can be cracked. It would be beneficial.

SPEAKER 3: I have cards from the nineties for mailing purposes for mailing purposes. Older players still to this day box them for autos. I just choose only five at a time once a month. It's a lot in there. Chris try to unpack what I can get here.

SPEAKER 3: I'll start at the end here. I love the idea that you keep cards around and send out five a month. That's a fantastic way to hobby. I love that idea.

SPEAKER 3: It's actually pretty disciplined which you don't always say that us collectors, the first part, Mike, can you make sense of that?

SPEAKER 4: I don't understand. Why don't the cards get numbered for stolen cards? I don't get that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Chris just clarify. Happy to answer it for you.

SPEAKER 3: Like the, like the question is always, all right. So let's talk about now what we've learned and, and kind of who we'd be going after, in no specific order. No, no, nothing crazy. But I'm gonna start with a couple of theories of things that I think I, I definitely did when I was a young dealer, probably got away from because I can't help it.

SPEAKER 3: I love prospects. And I dabble in that always a little bit, but I would stick to, more, more vintage and at the time when I started collecting it wasn't called vintage. So these guys were mostly still alive. The cards were, were in a lot of times, only 10 or 15 years old.

SPEAKER 3: You know, or, you know, 20 years old, whatever it was, but it wasn't 50 60 years old. And the prices obviously were in a whole different world. I also think, Mike Penny, how can Mike be a Mich?

SPEAKER 3: He's too tall. Yes, we are a shorter people, but Mike, Mike is a guest men tonight. I put, I put down our definition, men is kind thoughtful and honorable and Mike more than lives up to that. So, back to my theory. So that's kind of where I am. I'd be going more after good quality Hall Of Famers or to be Hall Of Famers and, and chase a lot less.

SPEAKER 4: Todd Van Poppel. Wow. Got some Van Poppel hating here. What about Ben mcdonald? Do you wanna.

SPEAKER 3: Don't, don't go there, sir. I will throw stats with Ben mcdonald at you.

SPEAKER 4: He was his 1990 upper deck man. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: And real quick, I just wanted to show you this. This was my first autograph card.

SPEAKER 4: That is awesome. I want her if you're not familiar. Yeah, I want her sports illustrated for kids card. Autograph. Oh, ok.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, this is rookie review that very well known company.

SPEAKER 3: So you what are you got a couple of theories of stuff you've learned over the years?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, so I want my collection to be bulk vintage, like 90% vintage, 80 to 90% vintage. And the only modern guys I wanna collect are Red Sox players that I loved. Pedro Martinez Omar Garciaparra, even though I stopped loving him in 2003 and four. David Ortiz a little bit. I loved Ortiz, but I haven't really found myself collecting his cards. Go guys like that.

SPEAKER 4: And modern autographs of Hall Of Famers Rookie Hall Of Famers and Diamond Kings. Donners, Diamond Kings from 82 to 96. And then guys that I think are.

SPEAKER 3: On the Diamond Kings real quick just because I know there's a recent hobby tie in.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. So Perez Steele Dick. Perez was the, the artist who painted those cards and he released them as part of the Don Russ sets from 1982 through 1996 as a subset. And then I think a couple of years, the last couple of years where they were like inserts if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER 4: And I want them all of the Hall Of Famers autographed and originally I wanted them all autographed. And then I've, I've paired that back to just the Hall Of Famers. I do have some that are in Hall Of Fame, but that's fine. But then I also want guys like rookie cards in PS A 10 only at the tops. Chrome and Ronald A Cunha coming at you bring it.

SPEAKER 4: And a is another one that I love. A Yeah. And I have his first Bowman autographed in person autograph, which I find I like the in person autographs versus pack pulled because you can get them at half the price, if not less. And there still is it still his autograph? I like that.

SPEAKER 3: Do you have specific cards? I'm catching you off guard here because I didn't ask you in advance. Is there like one or two cards out there that may be beyond the budget of hair. But if we're in our fictitious little game here, you'd push for even if it meant the autograph was on there.

SPEAKER 4: Boy, there are a lot of autographs that I would love to have for me.

SPEAKER 3: Obviously I'm drilling over. But, but the clemente, if I could get a clemente autograph on card, right?

SPEAKER 4: You said a little out of the price range? Ok. I fair enough. Clementa hasn't signed in 50 years. His autographs are, yes, are big.

SPEAKER 3: I wish I wish I would have bought more of those. I'll add that to my list of stuff that I wish back in the day that I focused on more.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah. Yeah, I, I'm trying to think like Griffy autographs are pricey so it's not, I can collect Tom Glavin rookie autographs all day long if I wanted to Tom 11 never meant anything to me but Griffy did. I was a huge Griffy fan but Griffey's rookie autographs are very expensive. Well, you, you did.

SPEAKER 3: A good job on the 89 upper deck. You got that one recently, didn't you?

SPEAKER 4: At the National? Yeah, at the National. Yeah. Oh, Chris.

SPEAKER 3: Oh yeah. If your friends in Baltimore are very generous, send them over.

SPEAKER 4: Chris. Chris clarified his comment above two. If you want to go.

SPEAKER 3: That I apologize. Chris numbering the cards in manufacture, manufacturing purposes, you can get the card stolen. Yeah, like a, like a bar code or, or something, some way to identify the card.

SPEAKER 3: And then they have to give away, they have to give away print runs.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, that's a part of it. And I was just gonna make a joke that it would water down numbered cards, but they're very watered down already. I call it the junk, junk parallel. Er, yeah. And then there was another, I think somebody had a question up above. It was us sports cards. Next year.

SPEAKER 4: Fanatics launched a buyback program for the award winners. Like the current MVP buyback. Do you think it could jumpstart hobby? Love. This is such a great question. Could jumpstart hobby love for pitchers? I don't think so. I love pitchers. Like I went maniacal on great question.

SPEAKER 3: There's the answer.

SPEAKER 4: So, last year, summer of 2022 spring of 2022 I went crazy collecting Sandy Alterra and Shane Mclanahan. It was like, these guys are the future. They're both gonna win the Cy Young this year and I was one for two and then Alkon struggled this year and Mclanahan was sure fire Cy Young this year until he blew out his arm.

SPEAKER 4: But, yeah, I love, I love pitchers. I've always been a big pitcher guy. Yeah, I'm with Rich. I don't think pitchers are ever gonna get the love. It. Just not, not like Spencer strider maybe.

SPEAKER 4: I mean, yeah, I.

SPEAKER 3: Mean, you know, he might get a love for a year or two, but is there gonna be Spencer love in 10 years? He'll blow out his arm. They all blow out the arm.

SPEAKER 3: But there's been a Cy Young since the fifties and unless somebody wins a bunch of them and ends up in the Hall Of Fame, there's usually not a lot of value and then, even then there's a ton less value. So I think it's quite an uphill climb for pitchers.

SPEAKER 3: You might as well be an offensive lineman.

SPEAKER 4: Here's some trivia that I should know and don't, who was the first Cy Young award? I thought it was new, was it? I don't know, I don't know, it feels like something I would have known as a kid that I would never ever forget and I don't, yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER 4: It seems like the only pitchers that will have longevity is closers the way starters are dropping. Mike loves pitchers except Jack Morris, man. I will never live that Jack Morris thing down.

SPEAKER 3: So all the Jack Morris story.

SPEAKER 4: I, I mentioned on a video that I didn't think Jack Morris deserved to be in the Hall Of Fame and it was just like this throwaway line and I got so many comments about it and I said, OK, I've got to do a video, I mean, people were really mad about this line. So I did a video that broke down the argument for Jack Morris and I, I think I had a smile on my face the whole time and boy, did it make people mad.

SPEAKER 4: Look, I, I love the Hall Of Fame Art, but I really don't care and like it's good for Jack Morris. Jack Morris was a notorious jerk, which is most a large part of you think Harold Baines deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame either. But he doesn't bother me, Jack Morris. He's from.

SPEAKER 3: He's from Maryland and he's a match just to be clear. Ok.

SPEAKER 4: Ok. But man, that, that video got so much hate and, it was my most still is my most hated video ever. People still bring it up all the time. And, Chris Sewell in, in our episode, series that he and I have started has sworn to bring it up every single episode and I get the two episodes we've done so far. He's brought it up and I get so many questions about it in the comments, well.

SPEAKER 3: That you've gotten enough already filling in that, that it blew me away. So, if, if Jack Morris, listens to this podcast, he'll, he'll throw on his two sides. I mean, you now that you have Mike Greenwell's nephew, you know, as a fan, you know, all, all things are popular, Jack Morris's nephew, that's what we want. We want Jack Morris's nephew to weigh in.

SPEAKER 4: I got an email today of a, a long time subscriber sent me a picture. He, I guess he was at a signing, a Jack Morris signing and said, you know, he got all the cards in front of him. He said any of these cards. Yours, Mike every day I get something that's Jack Morris related.

SPEAKER 3: That is, well, now I know what to send you that and things that kids don't say.

SPEAKER 3: I, I want you to know and I'll share the story that way.

SPEAKER 3: And before the Jack Mors come to think I respected your opinion. Sarcastic folks.

SPEAKER 4: I'm surprised you ever respected my opinion. Rich.

SPEAKER 3: That's the real, that's the real question here.

SPEAKER 3: All right. Other other tips. So, so we can wrap it up for people. Thinking long term, there's just a couple of things I think get overlooked that I would, I would like to have a little bit more of a, a niche on or niche. However you wanna to be pretentious.

SPEAKER 3: II, I would have gotten into vintage wax and that's virtually unaffordable on any real level at this point.

SPEAKER 4: So we're, we're saying we're gonna replace our collection with things that we know are much more valuable now because I would have all kinds of 52 Mickey Mantle things.

SPEAKER 3: No things that I wish I own personally. Like I, I wish I had any vintage wax and at this point, I really can't get it.

SPEAKER 4: I'd be happy with the wax.

SPEAKER 3: I thought about that. I, I'll probably end up there because I know, but they're still so much cheaper than the ones with the cards.

SPEAKER 3: So that, that would be, and, and I would be getting, I would have, be getting, I would have gotten into women's sports more earlier. I mean, as you saw with the Jenny Finch, I've, I've, I've always, bought women's cars but I, I would have done more earlier. I would have gotten a big Derickson while I could have afforded it. I would have gotten a Billie Jean King.

SPEAKER 3: You know, there, there's just, and I know I'm living out a ton of people, but I, I absolutely would have, would have hit that market, because I, I thoroughly enjoy it now and I'm late to the party on a, on a lot of the pricing.

SPEAKER 4: Serena rookie autographed.

SPEAKER 3: I have the rookie. I don't have an autographed.

SPEAKER 3: I wish II, I heard.

SPEAKER 4: Fredrickson your, your grail then.

SPEAKER 3: So I have a Jim Thorpe babe Derickson Bo Jackson, Dion Sanders, kind of multi sport, like real, real, real love, for what they did as athletes and that, that is a huge thing to me. So those four specifically and actually Dave Winfield, just for being drafted into four pro leagues, in three sports. So those are all, all, all people I wish I collected more and probably will focus more on but not, not Danny not Danny.

SPEAKER 3: You can't be a Toronto Blue Jays outfielder and call yourself a two sport player shots fired. Here we go. Oh, is there a Morgan, the kissing man or Rook out there? Rich Klein can probably answer that. Actually, I'm not even kidding. Rich. Is there a Morgana the kissing man? The card, I would assume there was San.

SPEAKER 4: Diego Chicken card. A rookie card.

SPEAKER 3: And I would take Morgana over the chicken.

SPEAKER 3: If you're of a Yeah, I was about to say if you're of a certain age, Morgana, the kissing bandit should just make you smile.

SPEAKER 3: There. There you go. I knew Rich would have the answer. Yes, Chris ever tennis card I should have mentioned earlier. Margaret, thank you.

SPEAKER 3: Yes, Playboy did a set of six cards on Morgana on her circle 83 there. Oh, wow, that was, that was right in her heyday even a little early. So that's young Morgana.

SPEAKER 4: You know, it's a tough get is a Steffi Graff autograph II.

SPEAKER 3: I, I'm not even trying to be funny. I wonder if it's easier or harder than Andre Agassi.

SPEAKER 4: I think they're equally difficult.

SPEAKER 3: So, do you think they made like a marriage decision? I don't know like we're just not gonna sign.

SPEAKER 4: Let's see. It's a good comment. Good to see you.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I'm not sure Ruben.

SPEAKER 3: Says searching for that. Rich. Thank you. Yeah, Rich. Let us know if Tom C has any and here you go during her career stuff. He was a good signer. So, maybe this is, enjoying retirement a little bit. Yeah. Although when you play tennis, you have a lot of retirement. I feel like you can't decide not to sign a retirement when you're done in your thirties.

SPEAKER 3: You know, Orlando Mookie, missed some earlier. I just want to get everybody in on the podcast for those that are watching, as a reminder, the podcast airs Monday morning on Sports Card Nation. John Newman's channel.

SPEAKER 3: Family friendly rules of come see, not a chance those cars are on the site. Well, that we can probably find them on ebay or whatnot without a problem.

SPEAKER 3: I'll leave that one on my own comments.

SPEAKER 3: Moving forward. Are there any other thing else? Non autograph that, that is kind of on your list even if it's a slight stretch that you just wish you had one?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I mean, I sold, I, I bought a 1959 Hank Aaron got it graded it graded way higher than I expected it to. So I sold because I mean, it was a massive profit and I had a tuition bill to pay for my kid.

SPEAKER 4: That I, that's the kind of card I would love to have back is a mid to high grade fifties. Hank Aaron Willie Mays Mickey Mantle, doesn't I, I trust me. I don't ever expect to have those autographed. So I'd be thrilled to get any of those in high grade.

SPEAKER 3: Right. So, I like to draw conclusions. Takeaways from, what we would tell people if they go back and start their collections. Are we both just vintage dorks?

SPEAKER 4: Not necessarily, I think at a high level, you wanna focus, you wanna buy things that, that mean things to you if we're, I think that we have to define collector first because there's a new generation of collectors that only think right?

SPEAKER 4: But a lot of people talk about personal collections differently now where they're buying to flip it later. They're this, this is my personal collection. I'm hoping this goes up in value so I can sell it in six months or one month.

SPEAKER 3: That was my mistake on Bo Jackson. People don't do it, don't do it bad, bad, bad. Sorry go.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah.

SPEAKER 4: I think if you buy cards that you love and that you could take out and enjoy or have out and enjoy, then you will have a successful collection.

SPEAKER 3: The fact that you're willing to put your cards on the wall behind you and make them visible I think speaks to you being proud of your collection. Would that be fair?

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'd love to replace some of these with improvements. That's my goal is to, you know, buy a new card and take one down, buy a new card, take one down there, you go.

SPEAKER 3: Well, when you take down Sandy, let me know.

SPEAKER 4: That's my second favorite card in my entire collection.

SPEAKER 3: So I is first. Yes.

SPEAKER 4: No, it's my bob Cozy rookie autograph. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER 3: I knew that. I did know that. That's very cool. By the way, I tell you every time.

SPEAKER 3: Show it.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. To my signature.

SPEAKER 4: It was in a screw down when I got it. So I knew I, I knew it would probably come down, come back as authentic, but that's ok. But look at that autograph grade.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Chris Ramsey, I've got 50 Bo Jackson 88 tops football rookie cars and tops traded 15. Love them. Gotta love Bow. Now he actually won't sign my card anymore.

SPEAKER 3: It has to do with the, the licensing agreement I think with, with Nike. So, that card autographed goes for a fortune because he did sign some early on.

SPEAKER 3: So it's like.

SPEAKER 4: The Michael Jordan. Not Michael Jordan Tiger Woods Sports Illustrated for kids rookie card that there's only two ever that have been found autograph or graded autographed. I did not know that. Yeah, he won't sign them just because different branding. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really sure but one of them they.

SPEAKER 3: Didn't pay him for the card.

SPEAKER 4: Probably originally, maybe one of them popped up la last year by John Morton on Twitter and it was, it was signed to Ashley, which of course reduced the value significantly and he was offering it up for 19,000, some odd dollars.

SPEAKER 4: I don't know how much he sold it for, but he, the price was down in the single thousands, like 9000 at some point a few months later, he was, he was trying to get me to buy it. I was like, dude, I can't afford that.

SPEAKER 3: And my name's not Ashley.

SPEAKER 4: Exactly. Yeah, I don't want personalized signatures even to Mike.

SPEAKER 3: I was about to ask you, you, you, you wouldn't do it to Mike.

SPEAKER 3: If what, what if it was to you, Mike? Not, not a random.

SPEAKER 4: No, I don't want it.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Jordan signed exclusively over the upper deck years ago. Hey, Fanatics is going a ton of exclusive deals. Now they announced Harry Kane the other day. So, who knows?

SPEAKER 3: All right. Well, we, we're on the tail end here.

SPEAKER 3: If somebody give me an or update, that'd be fantastic. My TV is just coming back on. So I have no idea.

SPEAKER 4: Like 15 to 3. You're kidding me? I am good.

SPEAKER 3: Because we, we'd have to delete the whole episode.

SPEAKER 3: Let me see what you got. Oh, you didn't even tell.

SPEAKER 4: Me about that. Did you came in today? If you followed my channel, you'd know some of us also work for a living. It's sticker out. So I'm selling it for.

SPEAKER 3: Those of you who don't know. This is great. My wife would definitely ask who is actually, 4 to 3 bad guys.

SPEAKER 3: 13, 7 Eagles at the half. This will play great on the Monday morning podcast. By the way, Mike, this is, this is John. When I do this, raise to 43. Thank you. All right.

SPEAKER 3: Guys, we're gonna wrap it up tonight, Mike. I want to thank you tremendously for a fill. And men, anything else you want to pass along or did we hit it all?

SPEAKER 4: It's, it's gonna be awesome when I'm showing my cards on the podcast. People are gonna love that. I guess that's podcast stuff. This is way past my bedtime, so I really appreciate you guys tolerating me. I really wasn't sure what happened past 9 p.m. So it's cool. Thanks for having me on and showing me.

SPEAKER 3: And he's not exaggerating guys. I've texted him at 904 and I get a response until 5 a.m. the next morning and he has no problem texting it very early in the morning to make up for it.

SPEAKER 4: So, hey, if, if your phone wakes you up, that's your fault. Not mine.

SPEAKER 3: Hey, iii, I truly don't mind texting you late. So fair is fair.

SPEAKER 3: Chris, pleasure as always. Thanks for jumping on a Thursday. Reuben. Appreciate it. Happy New Year to you. Orlando says good night to Mike. Well, Orlando Danny says good night to you.

SPEAKER 3: Chris, I get up at four AM.

SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I am often up at four. I am too. Yeah, that's a little too early for me. I prefer five.

SPEAKER 3: I, I, I haven't seen four for a good reason in a long time. If I'm up at four, nothing good's going on.

SPEAKER 3: That's what happens when you're a father. All right, let's get us out of here, Mike. Thank you for joining me and stepping in, car men will, will be back, two weeks from tomorrow. That is what the 29th, if I have my math, correct.

SPEAKER 3: And once again on the Monday podcast, it'll be two weeks from this previous Friday. Still the 29th though. When you do your, when you do your, math and we'll get one more in here, Mike Petty. Good night, Mo. Goodnight Curly. Good night, Larry. There we go. Petty.

SPEAKER 4: Always kills me.

SPEAKER 3: I love that. All right. Fantastic. Thank you. My friend. I'm gonna play this out. I will see you in the green room. All right.