Card Mensches E20 "Buying cards but don't go broke"

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SPEAKER 2: Hey, I'm Danny Black and I'm John Newman. Welcome to cards.

SPEAKER 3: Well, hello and welcome to episode 20 of card Mensches. I am Danny Black and I'm joined by my mens of a friend, John Newman. What's going on, buddy morning?

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, episode 20. Who would, who would have thought it?

SPEAKER 3: Did you say morning? I think you, you meant me it.

SPEAKER 2: It morning somewhere. That's right.

SPEAKER 3: Exactly.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I can you believe I nailed that?

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, he did. That's, that was like the perfect game of openings.

SPEAKER 3: I'm done at this point. I I'm, I'm, I'm.

SPEAKER 2: Good for the night. Everybody.

SPEAKER 2: We'll see you next day.

SPEAKER 3: First of all, we got, we got lots of, hellos to catch up to, Ruben. Wow. No hats. Either one of you guys tonight, Reuben came down to a last minute decision. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER 2: I see Orlando's here. So let me give you a little, it's, if I don't wear a hat, that means I got a haircut when I'm wearing a hat. Not, not 100%. I don't want to say that 100% across the board. But I, I like video. If I'm wearing a hat, that means my hair is getting a little bit too long and I don't wanna like do I just put the hat on again?

SPEAKER 2: Not 100% but usually, so I got my hair cut yesterday for the first day of school today. And so I, I'm not rocking the hat. I have plenty of hats. I posted on Instagram. I don't know if you saw that. Dandy. I counted up how many hats I have. I kid you not, I have 70 hats. That's crazy. It is crazy. Like who needs 70 hats?

SPEAKER 3: Not, I, I have two. I have two that I want, I have two that I wear. I've got like the old ones.

SPEAKER 2: You keep my wife saw that post and she's like, you think about getting rid of some of those and I'm like, Nope.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you also, you also cleaned up.

SPEAKER 2: I did a lot of like, maintenance, like metrosexual stuff yesterday and my, my last like, weekday off except for Labor Day before, school starts, which was today. It was weird, you know, when I woke up today to go to school when the kids aren't there yet. But his teachers and Tas were there kind of prepping for their arrival. And when I woke up today, I felt like Monday going back to work.

SPEAKER 2: And so now it's Friday, it's sort of like I'm in a really good mood because you wake up thinking it's Monday and then it, it instantly turns to Friday. How can you not be in a good mood when that happened?

SPEAKER 3: Well, see, I had the reverse. I thought last night was Friday night. I worked late and woke up and realized today was Friday.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I, it just felt like a Monday last night, felt like a Sunday knowing I had to go back to school and then it's like, yeah, three days and that not just a regular Friday, but a three day weekend, Friday with Labor Day.

SPEAKER 2: And I'll say it at the end. But, you know, I, I hope everyone has a safe, and, and great, Labor Day Weekend, have fun and whatever you're doing. I know there's some card shows and, cookouts with family and, and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. And if you're heading to Burbank in Burbank. Hello. Say hi. You know, definitely drop in the chat.

SPEAKER 3: I know John said hello but hello. Shout out to Dylan as well. Mookie Chris.

SPEAKER 3: Orlando. I think we're trying to catch up on everybody there.

SPEAKER 2: Ruben Mookie Chris. We, we said people twice, we didn't charge you extra for the second one. So it's.

SPEAKER 3: And so I wanna talk about tonight's topic because, because it's an interesting one.

SPEAKER 2: Oh, it's a topic. I thought we were just gonna talk about Labor Day and my hair all day. Well, we are.

SPEAKER 3: What we started now, I also got a haircut yesterday going to a card show in Fort Lauderdale.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, by the way, people don't know this. I lived in Fort Lauderdale for like 2.5 years back in the day as Johnny Carson was saying I did not. That's where, that's, well, that's where Jason. We hit a home run off me to go to the little League.

SPEAKER 2: I did know that.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: All right. Can we move on from the Paul Mitchell Hair Cuttery segment?

SPEAKER 2: Super.

SPEAKER 2: Remember that.

SPEAKER 2: Maybe get the business.

SPEAKER 2: I don't know if they.

SPEAKER 3: Mitchell is still in business, are they? Yeah, I don't have hair so I don't have hair. I haven't shopped for hair products in 20 years.

SPEAKER 2: I'm getting less like I got the lebron James. It keeps going back further.

SPEAKER 2: No, no.

SPEAKER 3: Mookie said you got six flow.

SPEAKER 2: Let me put it this way. I do the best with what I got like I, I make the best out of it, right. It's like you have some ingredients and you make like you cook some soup up, but it comes out OK. That's kind of the analogy. I use all, all, all.

SPEAKER 3: I'll say is if I have a sick flow right now, there's usually a prostate exam involved.

SPEAKER 3: Dylan says reading the catcher was a spy, Danny. Making me, making me happy, Dylan, my Mo Burg is right there. So, when you finish the book, tell me what you think and if you don't buy a Mo Burg, within 24 hours, I'll be shocked.

SPEAKER 2: He might have a Mo Burg. You don't even know.

SPEAKER 3: Nobody has a Mo Burg unless they know the story. That's the whole, that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER 2: Well, he had, he had six home runs in his career. It's not like he lit the League on.

SPEAKER 3: Well, that's my point. No, no. Who collects backup catchers like Jerson Vertu.

SPEAKER 2: You know, Jason Tech was, don't get me going. Listen, besides taking me deep, he, he was in the Little League World Series, he was in the Olympics. He won a World Series. I, I know I, I left something up. I think there was like four things. College World Series, Little League World Series Olympics and Major League baseball world. So Jason Tech did pretty well for himself and he's got me to thank I believe.

SPEAKER 3: Yes, taking you deep was definitely the highlight.

SPEAKER 3: Reuben says maybe I should grow my hair out to Don You two at next year's National. I'm close in age to both of you. Reuben having more hair than me is, is, is not is not a goal in life. You can do better. All I'm saying is we, we have more hope for you than that.

SPEAKER 2: And I get it. And that's the other day I was getting my natural hair cut about a week or two before the show.

SPEAKER 3: All right. Can we, can we, I'm gonna try to get us back on for, I, I feel, II, I feel like Ernie Johnson trying to steer the NBA, show.

SPEAKER 2: 88 minutes in.

SPEAKER 2: We already talked about the topic.

SPEAKER 3: Well, well, here's what the topic is, what it was supposed to be. We'll see if we get there. The, the topic was supposed to be, that we really want to talk about how to buy cards without going broke, funding your own hobby or, or other ways to, to, to really, get into your collection.

SPEAKER 3: Iii, I invested into that because I am a personal collector. So I think there's a side to that there that I really want to talk about.

SPEAKER 3: I feel like I get to talk about business a lot and it's nice to talk about cards in my own collection and how I found that. But, you know, do you want, do you want to talk about your collection? Because a lot, not, a lot of people know, that, that all, all the different sides of your world as a collector, you know, dealer.

SPEAKER 2: So, I, I don't know if that, you know, I don't mean any offense by the term but, and, but I'm hobby schizophrenic. And so I have a split personality. I have a, a dealer, inventory show inventory and a dealer and I have a personal collection.

SPEAKER 2: Anything you really see kind of behind me on the walls and that, that's not even everything, but definitely all the stuff on the walls does not go to shows with me and then you can't see it on camera and then I, you know, it's, I'm not gonna move the camera.

SPEAKER 2: But over there I have metal racks. One metal rack is still PC stuff and the other metal rack is all show like grad card, carrying cases, regular cars, shoe boxes, monster boxes, sealed wax that goes to the show with me.

SPEAKER 2: So I have one metal rack with show inventory, another metal rack with stuff that doesn't go to the show, the stuff on the walls is personal. And so it, that's why I say it's kind of dual personality. I have a, a show inventory and stuff that I have no intention to sell, that doesn't go to the show. And I know a lot of dealers, they, and he will take even their PC stuff to the show with them.

SPEAKER 2: But sometimes the, the thought process, well, if I can sell it and upgrade or trade cash and maybe I'm, I don't think along those lines. So, is everything I bring to the show is available for sale or it doesn't go or it doesn't go? But can I.

SPEAKER 3: Can I say that that for some people is their system? And I just want to acknowledge it? Some people kind of blend the two and they use, want to fund the other and they kind of mixed the books there, not your system, not my system personally. For the most part. But that is for some people.

SPEAKER 2: And even when I got the Jackie Leaf, you know, a lot of people who were even locally who listen to the podcast or follow me knew I got it. And the first show I did after acquiring it, I had people come up to my showcases and like, where is it? Like I didn't bring it. It's not for sale.

SPEAKER 2: Like, oh, I wanted to see it like, you know, and that's the, that's my, that's my point is I don't bring PC stuff with me to, to the show. I know other dealers. Do you know, I've had other dealers say, listen, I'll bring it, I'll just price it at a price where it's probably not gonna sell.

SPEAKER 2: I'm gonna be over comps. I don't even want to do that, Danny, because then it takes up a space in the showcase for another card I could have out. That's really for sale. And so I don't do that. I don't like to be over cops. It's, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER 2: Sometimes I can rub people the wrong way. I'm not saying I've never done it ever but I try not. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: And, and I know that you don't, and, and we're gonna talk about this also.

SPEAKER 3: Is, is breaking, not with a breaker but personally, neither one of us does, does a ton of breaking.

SPEAKER 3: The little bit I do just to, most of that goes into the PC or to the kids.

SPEAKER 3: If I, who am I kidding? I've never hit anything. So I couldn't tell you what I, where it would go if I did hit something.

SPEAKER 2: So I used to open more newer wax. Current rat wax if you will about, I don't know, 67 years ago and you learn right, you learn by trial and error, you learn the hard way that you really don't. With the rare exception, you, you don't really come out ahead on that and I've talked about this on Sports Car Nation.

SPEAKER 2: At one point I had a $10,000 credit card debt from open just opening like new wax at the time.

SPEAKER 2: And I, I really took a step back and said that's ridiculous. Just think of all the vintage I could buy with, with, you know, a decent vintage with 10 grand. I'll obviously pay that credit card. I zeroed in.

SPEAKER 3: Vintage you could buy with 10.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, a lot. So I learned, I learned by trial and error and, and that's why I don't have a problem sharing like, right, we, you know, contact creators like to share all their wins. Hey, I bought this for 200. I sold it for 1500. You know, pat myself on the back and that's great.

SPEAKER 2: But when I, when I, one of the things I, I will pat myself on the back after saying that is, I'll tell you about the losses. I'll tell you about the stupid things or the, the mulligans I would, you know, do over if I could and that, that's one of them of running up a 10-K credit card bill on, on opening newer wax. And I just learned, you know, it's like Pavlov's experiment, right?

SPEAKER 2: You keep, you keep going into the dark alley and you get hit over the head with a club at some point, you start stop running into the alley because you know what's coming. That's how it was with newer wax. And I'm not saying I don't open it at all. I just pick my spots and nowhere near what I used to do you and.

SPEAKER 3: I, also we, we did a, we broke a box for fun at the National.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Just, just, just for, just for, shouldn't have and, you know, and neither one of us went into it expecting to make money on that box.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. No. And it was fun and it didn't break anybody's bank. And, you know, that's, that's how you need to approach it. But people, it's, it's like a lottery ticket, man. You know, some people could go up to the front counter and just buy a couple of them and then other people on Friday payday, they're buying 100 50 you know, different scratch offs and that's where you get, that's the difference, right?

SPEAKER 2: And I used to be the 150 off guy with, with wax, not with actual scratch off. And now I'm the, you know, give me a two or three and I'm good and if I win awesome. If I don't, it was fun for, you know, the hour it took or whatever, you know. So, all right.

SPEAKER 3: So how do you fund your personal PC?

SPEAKER 2: I'm, I'm a little, I do some, I don't wanna say weird stuff. I do some different things. I do a dollar envelope. So every, every day when I get home, any ones that are in my pocket, any singles I take out of my pocket and put into an envelope and forget about it.

SPEAKER 2: And when I get 50 I, you know, I put the band around it and I put it in the safe and at the end of the year, what I do when I say end of the year, you know what I, my end of the year now becomes the week before the National, so not December, but in July I take all those ones and I go to the bank and I get bigger bills and turn them in.

SPEAKER 2: And so this year I, I'm, I'll be very transparent. This year I had $650 in July from those ones. My highest year was 1300. 1 year. I actually had, I don't know what.

SPEAKER 3: Well, you were in better shape. You were, you were dancing more, got more singles there.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I was better looking because I was probably seven years, young and then 11 were flowing a little bit better. Well, one year was 1300 bucks. I don't know what happened that year.

SPEAKER 2: Just a lot. Maybe where I was shopping instead of giving me a five. They're like, hey, I'm out of five, you might five. Once you have five, that's, that's all spend the same. So it varies. It averages about what, what it was this year. 6 $5800. And when, by doing that, Danny, you don't even notice it.

SPEAKER 2: You couple of bucks a day. The other thing I do, I think a lot of people do this is they'll just put money aside, right in general. Right. You have kind of a, almost like Christmas Club. Obviously, the, a little bit different for me is when I do a show as a dealer.

SPEAKER 2: If you have a great show, obviously, some of the money's got to go back in to buy a new inventory and replenish it. But I had a couple great shows and, and I got to put some money just towards National or a trip or whatever, you know. So that's, that's, that's how I do it.

SPEAKER 2: But there's more than one way to skin a cat as they say, that's just what, works for me.

SPEAKER 2: And, and, and the other thing here, I don't know how it is with everyone else. I have to deposit so much a week, for, for things that have to be covered, you know, on the domestic front, anything after that deposit.

SPEAKER 2: And the rest is kind of pocket money, play money. And so, depending how the week was and, and that sort of thing I can, I, I'll put some of that money. So, and then this year, I'm gonna try to do even more of that, leading up to next year's, National.

SPEAKER 2: Now, here's the other thing, you know, and I, I'll give credit where credit is due, you know, Mike Summer came up with, you know, self-sustaining hobby and it's probably the best way, to do it quite frankly. Right. Don't spend money. You don't have, you can get in trouble.

SPEAKER 2: I, you know, IE $10,000 credit card bill that I, I did pay off. But, but I will say this as a dealer, I, I, sometimes, and I did a show about this on hobby Quick Hits as a dealer and it's gonna be as, even as just a collector, even if you're not a dealer, if the deal is really good.

SPEAKER 2: And, and, you know, I'll still, you know, buy the deal and like whether I take an advance on a credit card, I've done that, you know, if it's a deal and it's, you know, I've bought a $10,000 collection, let's say, because I knew it would be worth three or four more times that to in resale value, I might not have had $10,000 at the time.

SPEAKER 2: Maybe that whatever. And I had to offset the difference via credit card. I, I will do that knowing I'm going to be fine. You got to be very confident where you're at with that. I don't kind of preach that everyone should do that because I don't want someone to, I, I feel a little, they said John, I took your advice and I, I didn't, you know, I didn't, it didn't pan out.

SPEAKER 2: I'm just willing to take, I'm willing to take that leap. Just based on my experience, you know, I did my first show in 1987 as a fifteen-year-old kid. So I know kind of where things are at and, and if the deal is good.

SPEAKER 2: So I've, I went on my show and said, listen, for me, I've spent money. I didn't have, you know, when I had my store in the early nineties with my partner, we would, we took out a loan to buy, you know, cases of wax that we needed for the store knowing we would pay it back and then have a profit from it.

SPEAKER 2: So there are times when I will advocate for spending money. You don't have at that moment, you just got to be really disciplined and really careful that I don't want, just be careful if you do that, be sharp enough to know like you're gonna come out. Ok. Well, I think we're.

SPEAKER 3: Gonna come back around to that a couple of times.

SPEAKER 3: Because the, the, the fund, the hobby for yourself and self funding. I is one of the biggest things, that I think a lot of people use as a technique to stay within themselves. But I wanted to, touch on a couple of comments here. Chris Ramsey says, what's your thoughts on Ron Cunha hitting 30 Homers and 60 steals guys?

SPEAKER 3: Iii I don't think he's done. I think we could see 40 70. I think he's gonna be the MVP.

SPEAKER 3: Oh yeah, I, I used to work for the Atlanta Braves and I'm a diehard Braves fan. So I might be a little biased on that one because of my love for the Braves, but Kuno to me is having an all time great year first player ever, 30 60 I think he'll be the first player ever. 40 70. So I just wanted to answer that for Chris and in fact, what is, it's over the other shoulder. There's his gold, gold rookie there.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben, take this for John and I both here.

SPEAKER 3: Ruben asks a great question to save money. Is it better to buy ungraded vintage than go and get it graded? I understand the authenticity aspect of buying it already graded.

SPEAKER 3: John, you wanna hit this first or you want me to tackle it?

SPEAKER 2: No, I'll take it because I just did an episode on at hobby Quick Hits. One of my fav, you know, I did a Q and a, my dad is, you know, I'll do that sometimes. And one of the questions I got asked on that Q and A was like, what's one of my favorite things to do in the hobby?

SPEAKER 2: And there's, there's a lot, it's hard to pick. 11 of the things I personally love to do is buy something raw and then in turn, submit it for grading and, and, and do well on it with your eye, right? You kind of, you know, we all look at a car and say, man, I, you know, a raw card in this case.

SPEAKER 2: So I think if I submit that it will get this. Now, what can I buy it for? And is it gonna be a win for me? Right. And one of my favorite things to do is buy raw vintage and then in turn, get it slabbed and, and do well and I'll, I'll say this to Ruben if, if you got a good eye and, and you're good at it, you can really do well by, by, but you're better.

SPEAKER 2: If you're good at it, you, you, you'll, you'll, you'll be more successful buying raw vintage than buying it already graded because you're paying, you're paying that, that price is baked in already.

SPEAKER 2: You, you know, the, the caveat there, Ruben and everyone else is that you gotta be careful with trimming recoloring, whether something's fake or real. I just, you know, I do SGC bulk subs and you know, not my cards, but I add to someone who subbed, you know, a Pete Rose rookie and it came back authentic recolored.

SPEAKER 2: A Jeter came back a Jeter sp same order, different person, but same order came back. Minimum size not met. I know Jeter is not necessarily vintage where the rose is, but I use those two as examples where you could get burn. Right? If you paid for a Jeter raw, thinking it was gonna get a seven or eight and it came back as minimum size not met.

SPEAKER 2: You lose, if you buy that rose, depending on what you buy it at. Maybe that guy got in cheap and he's still ok. But if you bought it thinking it was gonna get a four or five and then it comes back as authentic, color added. You probably lost some money on that deal. So, II I do well with that.

SPEAKER 2: But you, you've got to sort of have a knowledge base and a, and an eye, but if you're careful, and do some research, it's, it's a great, it's a great way to sort of upgrade. Come on, you buy it sort of the basement level and you go up a couple floors in the elevator and you feel even better, when those successes happen, but be.

SPEAKER 3: Careful because a lot, a lot of the, the dealers who have a quality raw card or know, know what they have. So if it looks too good to be true, just, just, just, just take that into consideration.

SPEAKER 3: You sell a mint 10 for the price of a mint, you know, of a poor one. Just because it's raw.

SPEAKER 2: Here's a question for you, Danny and everyone in the chat are listening out there. Right. You're at, you're at a show you're not set up, you're at a show just as a consumer, you're looking to buy raw vintage, right? And you go to a dealer's table who just like you said, has raw vintage and graded vintage.

SPEAKER 2: Do you say and be honest, do you say man does this, if he has vintage graded and, and then he has this vintage, raw, this raw has to be not up to snuff or he would have sent it for grading. It would, it wouldn't be raw. What's your, what's your thought process?

SPEAKER 3: If I don't know the dealer, I'm more hesitant. If I know the dealer, I'll ask them the question. I'll, I'll also.

SPEAKER 2: But what are they gonna say? Do you think? Do you expect the dealer to say? No, I just have, I just got those and I haven't decided to send them in yet. Which match may be, honest truth. It could be the, if I have.

SPEAKER 3: A relationship with them, sometimes they'll say I picked it up last week in Cincinnati at that show and I haven't gotten home yet to do a submission. So I just keeping them in the case. Are they telling me the truth? I don't know.

SPEAKER 3: But, you know, I, if I have that relationship, I trust it a little bit more. However, if it's raw, I'm gonna look at it 16 times over.

SPEAKER 3: And maybe I'm a natural skeptic, but I, I am a natural skeptic.

SPEAKER 2: All right. So, here's another question. And what's the etiquette here. Do you, what do you think? And you set up a shows? I set up the shows. What do you think when someone, like looks at a raw card and then pulls out like a little loop this thing right here to look at, to look at a card. What it does that, what do you think about that? Is it, is it bad etiquette or is it? Ok.

SPEAKER 3: I'm, I'm old school where you just ask permission? Like, do you mind, do you mind if I put a loop on this?

SPEAKER 3: And I find as long as you do that most dealers are comfortable with it and if they're really not comfortable with it, that's all I need to know. Anyway.

SPEAKER 2: You think you should ask though? You think you don't think you, you think you have to ask before doing it? I think it's good.

SPEAKER 3: Manners just like if you're gonna take a picture of somebody's cards, you know, II I always ask, do you mind if I just take a picture?

SPEAKER 3: I do think it's respectful but that, that, that's from being on the other side.

SPEAKER 2: It doesn't, actually doesn't bother me. If someone does it at my table, it's fine if they're gonna buy a card, right?

SPEAKER 2: I don't, I don't do it like I'll look at the car with my naked eye and just, just try to do the best they can. You know, I do wear it. I do have glasses. So usually if I go to show, although I, I didn't wear them at the National, they were in my backpack.

SPEAKER 2: I never pulled them out, but I will put glasses on to, to maybe get a, a better view, especially of AAA vintage card. So, what's the difference? No, it really isn't. It doesn't bother me. I just feel, I guess it's more me. I just feel a little bit odd. If I take this out at some table and get a car.

SPEAKER 3: It's a little pretentious, you know, when you're at the Dollar box doing it. But, you know, if you're buying an expensive.

SPEAKER 2: Car, it's a great point here by Orlando too. I want to put this on the screen. It's ok to pull out a loop dealers do it when purchasing. You're right. And I have it at the shows where I'm set up.

SPEAKER 2: Do I use it every time? I know, but have I used it at all? Sure, I have. And, so, yeah, I guess Turnabout is fair play, right? It doesn't, it actually doesn't bother me. I just feel a little self-conscious doing it when I'm looking.

SPEAKER 2: I, I don't know why, if you ask me why I don't, I don't have a, a, like a, I just, I don't know, I'm not as comfortable of doing that as doing other stuff or just put my glasses on, and, and looking, but there's nothing wrong with it. Like, if someone does it when I'm set up, I don't, I don't think any less of them and, and they're, they're entitled to do. So, I just tend not to do it for whatever, for whatever reason.

SPEAKER 3: Do you feel comfortable if, if somebody takes pictures of the cards and they want to send them to somebody?

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. I don't, I don't mind. It's still my card. Right. I mean, if, how do we know that doesn't lead to a sale down on the line? Right? Maybe that somebody is at the other end of the show looking for that card. And the next thing I know both of those folks are in front of my table and we're talking about a purchase and, and, and negotiating, a deal.

SPEAKER 2: Right. So I don't mind pictures. You know, someone's, someone told me, I said that once on my show and someone sent me an email job but they could post your graded card on, on ebay or something like that and it's theirs. And so, you know, it's fraud. You know what I mean? That's, that's the problem.

SPEAKER 2: And that's why you see a lot of people when they post like grated cards, they'll blow out or black bar the ser and them, I don't even do that. Like if you want, like, if you're, that's what you do. That's a, that's an indictment on yourself that you steal other people's photos and post the cards, as your own. I'm more worried about the car getting stolen and then it's really your card that you stole.

SPEAKER 2: I don't care if you steal a picture of it and if you want to do, do like deceitful things. That's, that's an indictment, on, on you. I ultimately still have, have the card in, in my possession and, you know, we know the old thing, right? You can coin it. You can do a lot of different things to prove that you actually have a possession of the card if, if you need to go that far.

SPEAKER 2: So I'm not a guy that will block out my bar codes or I don't mind and, and, and I will say that most people are very polite and will say, can I sir, can I take a pic? Do you mind if I take a picture of the card? And I might go ahead and even if they don't ask, it doesn't bother me. But the fact that they, most people do it just a next level of politeness. So I, I.

SPEAKER 3: You know what it is, I think it's handling the dealer's cards. I'm always more deferential to the dealer just you know, anyway, one of the things that, that I'd like to throw out there and, and let's say John, you asked me, how do I buy cards without going broke? And I would answer, I would say, you know, John, I do have ways that I buy cards without going broke.

SPEAKER 3: And one of those ways is I like to buy prospects and make a couple dollars, you know, on a couple of cards and take that and turn it into a vintage single. So Mark Vios, the great met power hitter, and a couple other guys this year, ended up getting me some of the cards at the National.

SPEAKER 3: And, and, and that, that's a system that I have fun with. It allows me to still buy Bowman prospects and, and, and the new cards that, that I like and then I can turn into what I ultimately want to keep in my PC. And that's all separate from, from any other work or dealer or anything else. That, that's just totally PC.

SPEAKER 3: And that, that's one of the ways that I, that I self fund it.

SPEAKER 2: And I, I love it and, and here's the thing, man, I will, you know, I'm happy to sell any of the new stuff and, and put it into vintage for the PC. I mean, I'm, I'm waving that same pennant and we're, we're on the same team and, and I do that too. Maybe that, you know, I think that for me, I do a lot less prospecting than I used to do, especially on the Bowman, side of the house.

SPEAKER 2: But, you know, sort over you show right, my show inventory. Let's not that it's bad. I have a lot of nice cards for sale, in the cases, but they're cards that I'm, I don't consider PC items. Right? So you sell a nice, a nice show item for a good chunk of change that potentially becomes, hey, I'm gonna go and, and just a, a vintage PC card that I, I couldn't afford previously. But now I sold that card.

SPEAKER 3: Guess what card I'm gonna be selling soon.

SPEAKER 2: Who's that? Mauricio?

SPEAKER 3: Ronnie Mauricio, you know why?

SPEAKER 3: Because that's I don't need, there's no connection to me, you.

SPEAKER 2: Know, there I get it. But I, I really listen, I really like him. So just you know, sometimes, so listen, there's, it's a double edged sword, right? Sometimes we sell too fast too. You can kind of not necessarily to lose, but you maybe don't come out as far ahead as you as you can.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I'll show everybody the 2010 Bur Bowman Sterling, Lindo Rookie. I am sending you all right.

SPEAKER 2: There you go. Another great, a great point by stu here. I want to put his comment up too. This is, this is, and then I'll tell a little personal story. So I get some deals when I ask a dealer if they have something I am looking for and is behind the table, the more a to give me a better deal or something that's not on the table. Great point. I have a sign on my tables when I set up at shows. It's, it's, it's nicely printed.

SPEAKER 2: It's in like a stand up, kind of holder and it says p please, if you're looking for something, please ask all my inventory is not out. And, you know, some people probably read it and still don't ask, but some people will ask right and say, hey, I, I don't see any of your cases. Do you have any? So, and so I'm looking for Barry Larkin throwing something off on my head. Right. And I have Barry, they're just not out.

SPEAKER 2: I, I only have so much room. Right. And you can make a sale and Stokes is exactly right. I'm probably not, not 100% across the board. I'm more likely to give a better deal on something that's not out because it didn't kind of make the cut. Right. That's a show as a dealer. It's kind of like a draft, right? All your best stuff you want to get out there. And this is like, it didn't make the cut.

SPEAKER 2: And so if you can sell something that's not out there, you're, you're gonna be more apt to, to give a, what do you want, whether you want to call it a discount or a little bit of a concession there.

SPEAKER 2: And I, so I have that sign. It's a great point by Stokes. I have a sign on my table that says if you don't see something, please ask. Not, not everything is, is out invisible. So, and, I love when people ask the worst thing I can say is I don't have it. Sorry. You know, and people are fine. That's no problem. I figured I'd ask and it's all good. Right.

SPEAKER 2: So it's a great point there. That's exactly right. Always, you should always try to ask you just because I, I don't know, any very few dealers have all their stuff on the table. Maybe the, you know that one showcase dealer that has like one showcase on the table and they all blank space, all blank space.

SPEAKER 2: I went to a show, I went to a show this weekend here in Syracuse at the NBC Suite and one of the deal is he had a whole table 6 8 ft, he had one showcase, you know, with 40 cards out probably that's all he's got because he's got like 5 ft of table space blank. So that might, you know, that that's the exception to the rule. I I wanted to like man, just throw something out there. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER 3: Like, I don't know, I wanted to play this earlier when Reuben asked his question about buying raw and then getting it graded because you know, we know that John likes to get his stuff experience quality consistency and the quickest turnaround times in the grading industry, we are proud to partner with SGC grading.

SPEAKER 4: Check them out at www dot go SGC dot com. Yeah.

SPEAKER 2: And speaking of grading and speaking of shows, right, we're talking about kind of both. I had a show coming up here, September 10th. It's my first one in like four months.

SPEAKER 2: And that's at the fairgrounds here in Syracuse, New York. I will have my two tables with my own stuff that we kinda, we, we dabbled to talk about a little bit and I'll also have another table, bulk sobbing for SGC.

SPEAKER 2: So if you have, if you're in the area or in, in central New York and you want to get, get your cards back quick, they're still, they're, they're back to running in about 7 to 10 days. It's got an, an order back probably in 11 days to be fully transparent, but that's, that's pretty quick. And, so I'll be there September 10th, at the New York State Fairgrounds. What's up Brendan?

SPEAKER 3: Now what I have a question for you when you buy, do you typically buy graded or are you buying raw for your PC?

SPEAKER 2: I, I'll buy both.

SPEAKER 2: I, I, when I buy, when it's, when it's, when I buy raw, it's, it's with the hope that it probably can be graded. Now, have I bought raw and then I get home and then I really take a, a deep look at it and like I'm not gonna submit it. Yeah, that happens. And I'm usually still at a price where it's ok. It's not the, it's not the end of the world. It's not a deal but you pull up the.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. Well, I, I don't like to do that. It's goofy man. Ii, I don't, I, I'll do it some, even as a dealer, I don't, I don't do it 100% of the time. Just some. I think they're bigger the deal. Like, if it's an expensive car and we're talking and I'm talking about buying it, I really need to look at it. Right.

SPEAKER 2: We're talking about a smaller deal, you know, I'm, I'm a little bit let my guard down so more, a little bit more. So I guess that's, that's, I'll use that as sort of an excuse. But, I, I buy, I bought both, you know, I, I'll buy, I tend to buy when, like when I go to the National as you, well know, and, and we room together and a lot of the deals like that.

SPEAKER 2: We're there at the same time when I buy like Hall Of Fame, you know, graded, rookies. I, I tend to buy them already. Graded. Will, have I ever bought them raw and sent them in for grading? Sure. I think that's becoming harder to do than we think it is. Well, I don't know if you agree with that.

SPEAKER 3: I'm also gonna make a comment that you and I both will buy graded for the card, not the grade.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. No doubt, no doubt.

SPEAKER 3: So, you know, to, to kind of contradict ourselves. You know, I, I'm buying the best looking card I can buy at the best price I can buy it that I feel comfortable that it's authentic and, and, and real in whatever fashion I can, I can do that. I mean, that's the ultimate goal.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I mean, we, we, we talked a little bit about the Kline deal. We both bought the dealer. I, I'll make the story. The, the the cliff notes version.

SPEAKER 2: We were both kind of looking at the same table. We both had sort of a Kline rookie on the list. The dealer, the dealer mines behind me as well. The dealer had three Al Kline graded rookies, a six and 25.

SPEAKER 2: You know, me and daddy kind of whispered like, hey, let's see if we get a deal if we, we each buy one and get sort of a combo deal and the two fives were, and here's the perfect example of that. We wound up getting the or, or no, it was a a 65 and a four.

SPEAKER 2: There was two fives and a 42 fives and a 42 fives and a four and the 15 and the 14 were better than the 15. And so we got the five and the four and those were the two best cards out of the three, even though two had the same grade of a five, like the four you got is better than the five we didn't buy. And I'm not saying that because it was our kind of a combo deal.

SPEAKER 2: It's because we both, it's funny, we didn't even like, comment. We both looked and kind of came up with that consensus without any kind of conference or, or huddle and so that sometimes the grades can be overrated too and you gotta keep that, in mind as well. I've seen, you know, I have a 1.5, Jackie, I saw three or four twos at the National that I wouldn't trade my card for straight out. And I don't just be in is the.

SPEAKER 3: One that, I think we saw a handful of, it was the, a rookie you were seeing, you were seeing grades 12, you know, higher than yours.

SPEAKER 2: I wouldn't trade them. I wouldn't trade my, I have a 3.5. I wouldn't trade my 3.5 for, for a four or five that I saw that. People say, how are you crazy? Just because they were like, way off center. They had print marks on them and, like, truthfully they were probably over graded where mine's undergrad. And so, sometimes you just, you know, that's, that's the way it is. So, be careful, you know, a grade is subjective, right?

SPEAKER 2: How many times have we seen of G and 10? And you look, and it's got a ding corner, right? It's always on social media, right? Those things occur. That's why it's, it's not a foolproof system, this comment, from I look for it, but I do that.

SPEAKER 3: This is exactly. I mean, I sent you a picture today.

SPEAKER 3: Did I, did I send you a picture today?

SPEAKER 2: And because I know it's smart, I think, I think smart, I'm, and again, I'm not trying to say some people, I think smart people do that right. You get the best deal. You're paying a, a raw price and, and that might grade, well, you, you got in at the bottom.

SPEAKER 2: That's just smart business. That's just smart economic. I don't even wanna say business. You made it, you may not be in business. It's just smart economics, it's just smart buying on, on, on as a buyer's part when they think along those lines. Right. And, you know, and it, it's, it's, I try to do that.

SPEAKER 2: It's just, I don't know, it's getting a little bit harder to do. I, I mean, this still still can do it. It just, I think it's getting a little bit more different, I think it's getting a little bit more difficult Danny because more people are doing it right. There's more competition.

SPEAKER 3: Well, there's also more graded cards than there ever have been.

SPEAKER 3: And, and this is where Brendan, Ryan makes the point, because the grades only an opinion and not always done with career with care as grading volume rises, I don't even know if it's an issue of care as much as it is an opinion and it is different companies and it is different graders and it is grading in 19 99 you know, versus 2023 or, or, or, you know, the technology, the, the, the, the, what's important for the companies when they, when they grade how much importance they put towards surface versus centering.

SPEAKER 3: I mean, all these things, if you're not familiar, these have all changed over time. So, you know, I, it's something to be aware of, you know, also look, looking at older grading cards, you might find some real steals because people will pass up on older labels.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, that's the other thing, you know, I, sometimes I look at an older label and maybe you can get, it can work the other way too. Right. They just, you find a deal maybe that was under, you know, there's undergrad cards that are graded. I mean, if you're, I, I'm not a big cracker and re sober, I've done it once or twice in my whole life.

SPEAKER 2: But sometimes that opportunity is there. If you're looking at a, a card that's graded and it's, you know, a three or four and you add to see it and you take it out, you look at the front back and he's like, man, this like looks like it should be higher. Maybe that's where you take the loop out. Maybe there's a hidden crease.

SPEAKER 2: I'm not seeing a wrinkle something, right? But you look at it real closely and you don't see any, like, I just think this is undergrad it, cracking and resubmitting. I'm not a big cracker and re suburb, but there's nothing illegal about that. It's not trimming or restoring and you're just, you're, you're, you're paying for the service again. That's all.

SPEAKER 3: And I'm gonna show this because this is the card I sent you earlier. I think this looks better than a four.

SPEAKER 2: Well, when it's that tiny, anything looks better from it.

SPEAKER 3: Well, that's my super, that's my super. That's how I stay happily married.

SPEAKER 2: Jeez. Let me hang on a second. Let me get this out.

SPEAKER 3: You might want to get your glasses on.

SPEAKER 3: Anyway, but, but I think that looks better, better than a four and to, to the point of, you know, is it under graded?

SPEAKER 3: I, I think it is, you know.

SPEAKER 2: They're all joking aside, you sent me, you texted me the picture and I've seen a bigger version of that and, and you're right. So I'm just joking here. But yeah, sometimes graders. It's an opinion, right? You know. So, you know, sometimes my wife says, hey, how does this shirt or this look Right. And I say, oh, it's great. Maybe it doesn't, maybe it's just good.

SPEAKER 2: I over, I overrated the, the shirt or whatever, you know. So, you know, you gotta keep that in mind and that works both ways. Right. A card can be undergrad. A card can be over it.

SPEAKER 2: The Kline story is the over grade on the 15. To me they had no business. The five we left in that case to me had no business being a five.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah.

SPEAKER 2: So yeah, you're four was in better shape. I put them side by side and the five I got was in, in considerable better shape. So you gotta take all that stuff in the.

SPEAKER 3: Used to be an issue on vintage, but there's a remedy for, for that.

SPEAKER 2: Now, apparently I'm laughing at Ruben's comment too. Is that is the card to grow or? No, not a shower?

SPEAKER 2: Yes, I mean, now I could do my like I could do my Costanza like that's called Jerry in here.

SPEAKER 2: The one's called All right, that's enough for the.

SPEAKER 3: My wife, my wife's hair is authentic color added, but I'll never tell.

SPEAKER 2: That's, that's it, you know. So is these deals to be that, that's a double edged sword, right? A card again, a card can be given a grade that's too low for, for really what it is and, and a card can be over graded and I've seen it both I've seen it both and I think most people have and we probably, most people who have a lot of graded cards probably own both of those quite frankly myself included.

SPEAKER 3: Yes, Ruben is having a good time.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I go in, I go in a hot tub so there's no issues.

SPEAKER 3: I'm not, not even responding to that. Ok, let's, let's move on. There are still deals at flea markets and antique shows.

SPEAKER 3: They can be cheap, or Mark 10 times value.

SPEAKER 3: Yes. And, yes, and most importantly, they are willing to negotiate very, he a lot of times it's just rotating.

SPEAKER 2: Another, another great point by Stokes. And this is something I want to start doing a little bit more of Dan, I don't know if you get to do this. You know, I do a little Uber, after school and, and the two weeks before school starts again.

SPEAKER 2: And so I drive by like antique shops and I, I never stop, but I want to start just running in there real quick and just saying, hey, you got any sports cars and just see, right, if they're overpriced, like Stoke says, and sometimes they are, I have one in one. It's not even in business anymore.

SPEAKER 2: A couple of years ago, there was one near where I play softball. So before the game I actually went in there and, you know, it was overpriced, it was like an 88 Glavin Rookie, you know, Mark 20 bucks and that sort of stuff. And, and you, you'll, you'll run into that.

SPEAKER 2: But you've seen people post, yeah, you've seen people post, like, hey, I got this, you know, pre-war for five bucks. And so there's, there's people maybe not knowing what they have or, or, you know, maybe it's a, a variant, pre, you know, there's so many different, you can get so many steals there.

SPEAKER 2: I'm gonna start, go making a point to just, even if it's real quick, just going into some of these vintage or antique stores and just asking them, hey, do you know, just, just for saving time, like, hey, do you have any vintage sports cards? And what I, I'll just say you have any sports cards in general and see what, see what they say if they say no, I'm like, ok, thank you. And away you go.

SPEAKER 2: They say yes, you see what they got and like Duke says, it's probably gonna be one way. There's no in between, with those, right? It's, it's gonna be like crazy overpriced or, or you might get a deal or what you said, Danny is very true. The, the in between might be someone who's sort of priced, right? But willing to, to, to negotiate, especially if you're buying multiple cars.

SPEAKER 2: Yep.

SPEAKER 3: And, and, I mean, allow allowing for certain vintage and centering.

SPEAKER 3: The way is practical but the lack of hobby standard, universal grading scale leaves a ton of those opinions in limbo. Yes. Just getting back to your comment before. The, they're, they're between the companies, between the scales. There's lots of opinions. This is why John and I were saying, you know, not, it really is the card.

SPEAKER 2: And A U and a universal grading scale while on paper would be a great thing. We're never gonna see it. And so it's like talking about a unicorn and there's some people that probably believe that there, there, there really are unicorns.

SPEAKER 2: But I, I.

SPEAKER 3: Give, I give away everybody here. I have cards from SGC and I have cards from PS A and guess what?

SPEAKER 3: I'm happy with it.

SPEAKER 2: That yeah, that's I, that's, I have, I have, I have both of those and I have a couple.

SPEAKER 3: It's the, it's the card, you know, I mean, listen, you know, I tried crossing one card over and it didn't cross over. Other than that, I've never tried to cross a personal card over.

SPEAKER 3: And I like both grading companies. I, I like having the cards and, you know, that, that to me is more important than the number or company graded it necessarily.

SPEAKER 2: If it's, and, and here's another great comment if, if I may what, what Mookie makes here right here. He says, you know, he bought a card in an S BC and that's not a Miss type. Not S ECs BC slab the other day. It's definitely undergrad and never seen an SB slab before, but try to cross it over. Yeah. Right. Listen, G MA, I make jokes about him. Good morning America grading. Right.

SPEAKER 2: If you see it, if you, you know, I don't, I don't see many vintage cards in G MA. So, but what if you found one? Right.

SPEAKER 2: And, and you look at the card and it's, it's, it looks like a great crack it out of there and send it to a legitimate and rep, no offense to these other grading companies. But what I call the big four at this point 3.5 almost now.

SPEAKER 2: But, you know, you know, send it to one of those where you're more comfortable having that card in your collection, right? Nothing wrong with. Again, you're buying a card, you can always slice, you know, crack the card out of whatever case it's in, in this case S BC, I don't know what that even stands for.

SPEAKER 2: But, maybe they're hoping people think it's SGC by accident and slip up and buy it. I don't know. But, you know, there's, there's 1000 people think. I'm, I'm kidding. When I say this, they're legitimately 1000 graded card company, not legitimate ones. They're just legitimately 8000 graded card companies. Ok.

SPEAKER 2: People doing it in their basement, Black Mamba. Your mother's ugly grading card company, whatever. There's 1000 of it and don't, don't let the name throw you off. They're ok. But, but, you know, there's 1000 different grading card companies other than it's like waiting for a report, you know. Right.

SPEAKER 2: So if you're looking at, you know, Acme Grading card company's Slab and there's a nice card in it that someone, for whatever reason sobbed and it looks nice and the price is right. Why won't you buy it? It doesn't have to stay in there permanently. That's just a, a vessel that holds it.

SPEAKER 2: It's, it's no, you know, it's just AAA more beefed up soft sleeve or semi rented, get it out of there, sub it to your grading card company choice STC and, and, you know, and subliminal message. But, but I joke, you know, whoever you want to and get it, you know, and you might be surprised when you, when you do that. And I've never, I don't think I've ever done that.

SPEAKER 2: But it's, it's, you know, but it's, it's something to think about where I said.

SPEAKER 3: If you build.

SPEAKER 3: Well, how about if you grade it?

SPEAKER 2: They will, they will ship and one day, you know, and someone says, how do you know there's 1000 grading card companies, John, because one day, I went on the, the internet invented by Al Gore and I typed in grading card companies and you're literally just, I am shaking my head right now, literally 1000 different companies came up and you know, I kind of went through and just kind of just started counting and, and counted and then kind of did how many pages there were and did the old kind of grid mapping.

SPEAKER 2: And there's about 1000.

SPEAKER 3: If you rub, if you can't work hard and party hard, baby, this the only way to do it.

SPEAKER 3: Cheers.

SPEAKER 3: Well, it always makes me think of your mean Joe Green commercial. You know.

SPEAKER 2: That's why I'm one of the reasons I'm a Steelers fan to this day, man. Was that mean Joe, Green commercial and Coke and listen, I don't drink as much soda as I used to but Coke is my like Coke and RC Cola which you don't hardly find, I.

SPEAKER 3: Don't like killing my teeth. But when I do it's coca-cola.

SPEAKER 2: Oh, yeah, that, well, I always joke right when I was a kid and, and collecting cards with my friends, they wanted my gum and I wanted their cards. So I get my gum and get extra cards. So I didn't get the cavities from chewing gum. I got the cavities from all the soda. I was drinking, celebrating all the gum. I was traded for cards.

SPEAKER 3: There's another way to grow, grow your collection in the hobby.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah. And I had the cavities to prove, you know, that I like soda.

SPEAKER 3: All right, John, what's the next card or type of card? You're, actually targeting anything, that or is it just while you have a shot you're gonna be more of the deal?

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I wanted to, you know, going to Nash, I wanted to get a receiver and, or Clemente Rookie. I probably wasn't gonna be able to get both. I wanted to get one, they were a little bit over cops on those particular two cards.

SPEAKER 2: They didn't run into a, a deal there. So they're still on my list. It's not like burning my, my mind's not burning about it. It's just, you know, it just when the, the, the time is right or the price is right.

SPEAKER 2: You know, I, I often get asked as, you know, you know, now that you got your Jay, what's the next grail card? I really don't have one. I think the errand that I wound up getting was kind of the next one after the Jackie.

SPEAKER 2: So I don't have another grail card. I think you can't have too many grail cards because then it kind of defeats, you know, saying it's a grail card. So I have cards II I, I don't want, not kind I do want, but nothing that like I'm gonna go, you know, either overpay highly or, you know, you talk about spending more than you have do that either.

SPEAKER 2: So it just when I run into something and I want, you know, my two big purchases were the Gibson, the Kline rookies and then I, the last one was a Frank Robinson, rookie that I picked up and, and that was good, you know, I didn't get to see where the, the Clemente, but, that was good. It was a great show. You got your mo be the Kline and, and all the other stuff. Wait, wait a second.

SPEAKER 3: It's the chicken back version.

SPEAKER 2: Mo the chicken you need to get it like or like I'm gonna make you catch on.

SPEAKER 3: I want to get into the vintage catalog of baseball cards as the chicken back version.

SPEAKER 2: I wanna have. How many are in that club? How many Chicken back cards are there out there right now? It's all arms.

SPEAKER 3: We're working on it but it's we're putting feelings.

SPEAKER 2: Do you have a card with a chicken back at it? Contact the show.

SPEAKER 2: No.

SPEAKER 2: And then you know, there's a lot of ways to not go broke, right? Just be smart and, and know your budget, right? If you have a budget, you know, I have a budget like if I didn't have a budget, I would have had a Ver Clemente Rookie when I left Chicago, right.

SPEAKER 3: So John, if I didn't have three, John, if I didn't have three kids, I'd have a smile and a better collection.

SPEAKER 2: But yeah, that's too late. Now. Can't put the genie back into battle. Trust me. I watched enough. I watched enough. I dream of Jeannie to know that. And Bewitch. Yes.

SPEAKER 3: Real quick before we go, Reuben says now that the mo has been captured. What's next?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, Reuben, I'm on, I'm on a little bit of an, of an undervalued Hall Of Fame rookie run.

SPEAKER 3: I got the 57 Frank Robinson.

SPEAKER 3: I think Jim Palmer's 66 is undervalued. I think that the 69 Reggie is undervalued. So, no, we'll, we'll see what I can find.

SPEAKER 2: And you, you, you mean I'm, I'm, you, you've talked about this yourself. 57 Brooks. Another card that for whatever reason and the 57 nine, yeah, you just didn't run into a deal and that happens. Sometimes you just gotta, you gotta grin and bear it and kind of pivot and, and, you know, like for me, I see Clemente at the top of my list that didn't work out. I just pivoted the, the Gibson Kaline and Robinson, right.

SPEAKER 2: So, and I'm happy, you know, I had a great time. We, we did dinners, met people. I mean, that's, that's what the National is all about. The cards, the people, the whole, the whole shebang and you know, I stay within my budget, right? I, I talk about spending money. You don't have, I wasn't willing to necessarily do that at that particular time. So you never know. You never know. Right.

SPEAKER 2: We got this show or I got this show coming up September 10th. Who knows what walks up to the table and someone, you know, I've gotten, and I've done a lot, I've done shows since 1987. I've gotten some, you know, I've got people bring up cards to the, to the table and I, I pick out a few and, hey, what do you want? And they're like, cops are 300. I'd like to get 300 I'm like, ok, where do I come in?

SPEAKER 2: You know, and I have other times where, you know, they're like, hey, look, there's two, you know, two grand cops, you know, give me 11, 1100 it gives you room number. So, you know, you never know what deal you will run across. And I think maybe that's a good way to, to kind of wrap it up is to, to be patient. Right? Don't, don't be impatient.

SPEAKER 2: I think that's where you get in trouble and can go broke if you're in inpatient, you know, if I was impatient with a Clemente, see where I might have just paid $500 over comps. Would I have it? Sure would I have buyers, you know, sort of buyers regret remorse, you know, a week or two after when I realized I could have saved the money. Sure.

SPEAKER 2: You know, so you gotta, you gotta be disciplined. You gotta, you know, you gotta be think a little bit, you know, you know, pass the moment so to speak, but buy.

SPEAKER 3: What you like buy within your budget and you'll never be upset. You know, this, this is not how to invest in cars. That was not tonight's show, this, this is, this is not an investment special, this, this is, this is for buying, I would say more for your PC.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, you just hear, you hear, listen, you hear horror stories, right? I kind of told mine, you know, with, with running up a, a 10-K credit card. Thankfully that that's in the rearview mirror, but it happened and I don't, I'm not, I'm, I talk about it because maybe I can help someone else not be in that predicament, you know, and, wasn't fun when I was in it.

SPEAKER 2: Because when you owe 10 grand and new wax, right? And you're not buying stuff you really wanna buy until you kind of dig out of that hole and, and level the ground and then, ok, I'm ok again. So, you know, if anyone can, if I, by telling that story for me, they can help someone else, why, why not tell it?

SPEAKER 2: Right? And I'm a guy that will share the, the Ws and the Ls, right? But no one's undefeated. No one is undefeated in this hobby. I don't care what they say on their, on their podcast, you know, or every week they come on and like I won again, I won again. I won again. Right.

SPEAKER 2: They're not Rocky Marciano, they're not undefeated. So don't buy that ass. I always ask that if I ever have that person on the show. I always ask him like I hear all the wins. Tell me about some a time where you didn't win, you know, I put them on the, I put them right on the the hot seat.

SPEAKER 3: So, well, I think on that note, John, OK, we we're gonna gonna take everybody off the hot seat. We're gonna say thank you.

SPEAKER 3: This was cool. I think, I think just for, you know, these are a lot of the questions and the conversations we have off air is really just buying our own stuff and how we're doing it and what we're doing.

SPEAKER 2: And so I think we just wanted to share some of this for everybody and, and, and, and I gotta say a lot of great comments in the chat room on, on strategies and different things you can do, right?

SPEAKER 2: And there's stuff we didn't even talk about that are are viable strategies too, right? We just, we covered as, as much as we could again, great comments. I say it every week, we appreciate you whether you're watching live guys or you're catching this show on podcast form.

SPEAKER 2: After the fact, either way you're giving up your time and we appreciate that. And yes, you know, we appreciate that Happy Labor Day, everybody stay safe. Be well and we'll see you, we, you want we may not be on. Yeah. Ok.

SPEAKER 3: So 22 weeks from, from, we're recording this live on Friday night, two weeks from tonight is actually the first night of Rosh Hashana. So card mentions will not air live on Rosh Hashana. We will actually air the night before on Thursday. So that is the plan right now is to be live on Thursday at nine just to clean up the housekeeping. Thank you for the reminder, John.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I just remembered that and obviously we would let people before that anyway, but just for those listening, just to keep in mind the next time you see this show, it will be on a weirder, not the normal Friday.

SPEAKER 3: It'll be on the, the Thursday and I'll make Rosh Hashana dinner mom. I told you I promised it's a Thursday.

SPEAKER 2: It'll be a Thursday, Thursday at some capacity. It, it always is.

SPEAKER 3: All right, my friend have a good one.

SPEAKER 3: I will see you everybody in the green room.

SPEAKER 3: Thank you, everyone.