Card Mensches E19 Behind the Cards-Stories of our favorite pc cards

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SPEAKER 2: Hey, I'm Danny.

SPEAKER 3: Black and I'm John Newman. Welcome to cars.

SPEAKER 2: I still think it's the best opening with all due respect. John. Welcome back, glad you're feeling better.

SPEAKER 3: And sorry to hear you're not feeling as better as the last time you are now you're battling a cold as I'm really sort of getting over it. And you know, first off, I wanna thank this is episode 19 of card matches. I want to thank Jeremy Lee for pinch hitting pinch mening for me on episode 18 of card matches. I was in no condition to do any kind of show or broadcast.

SPEAKER 3: I was coughing like every 10 seconds and I texted you early in the morning and kind of gave you a heads up not looking good. And Jeremy Lee came through in the club show. Shout out to him. We wanted to have him kind of on anyway. So it worked out him filling in for me. I am feeling better. I'm not exactly 100% but pretty close to it. And now you're battling Nicole.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I think there's some something's go going around somewhere in, in, in mens world. Hopefully Jeremy's doesn't catch it. Reuben. Good to see you, Dylan. Good to see you.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, Reuben and a good beef jerky. Didn't take John down. Well, it might have just not by, by the cold.

SPEAKER 2: The National bug was nasty says Dylan.

SPEAKER 3: And there was a cop, there was a COVID outbreak from the show.

SPEAKER 3: We didn't get that thankfully. But you know, maybe with, you know, there's computer viruses, maybe we got these things through the computer. So it's kind of like the virus.

SPEAKER 2: I, I got cold by windows.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah, you touch the screen and it just got transmitted through there like tra like a transporter.

SPEAKER 2: It was unbelievable.

SPEAKER 2: I'm excited for our show tonight. It's good to have you back. Glad, glad you didn't get Wally pipped and, you.

SPEAKER 3: Know, I'm glad to be back. I wanted, you know, no offense to Jeremy. And I'm, again, shout out and kudos there. I did want to do that show, man. We're gonna talk kind of wrap up the National, so I didn't get to do that, but that's ok.

SPEAKER 3: We're gonna have a little fun, today, we each pick six cards out of our P CS personal collections and, we're gonna just go through, and kind of give a little bit of the back story, behind the cards and, and, you know, I didn't pick necessarily my six most expensive cards.

SPEAKER 3: There's a couple, there's a few expensive cards but six that, I don't know, I just mean something to me, without, without a financial aspect necessarily, although some are expensive.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I, I think that's true for both of us is that we collect, you know, what we love.

SPEAKER 2: And it is nice when you're able to acquire cards that have a connection. Are they expensive? Sure sometimes. Are they not expensive? Hopefully?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, it was tough picking six cards. I mean, I would like to pick 20 cards but, you know, this is we wanted to keep this on, you know, under 60 minutes. So, we couldn't, we couldn't go that far.

SPEAKER 2: Your first, your first text to me said 100 cards each and I said 100 was a little money.

SPEAKER 2: No, great to see.

SPEAKER 2: Both of you are glad to see John back on bench.

SPEAKER 3: Yes, I appreciate it. Chris. I'm, I'm glad to be back and you know what? It's funny, man, I don't wanna make this about health. But man, when you, you know what if you, if you're healthy, there's something to be said about that, man. Appreciate that.

SPEAKER 3: And you know, it's been a rough month and a half for me. I'm like, I had 50 you know, like my coworker works at who's who's old, few years older than me. They, they weren't reassured and they're like John, once you hit 50 things start falling off, it's been.

SPEAKER 2: For you since you hit 50.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So like your warranty dude, you gotta, you gotta get the extended, I'm like Forrest Gump, the the scene where he's running and all the, all the brace, the braces and stuff starts falling off, you know, but, but now that that was in a good way, this is not in the good sort of way so well, but enough about illness and, and, and all that let's talk, let's talk some fun stuff.

SPEAKER 2: So we're doing carbs. How are we doing this or.

SPEAKER 3: Or are we just take it? We'll go. I, I kinda, I, I say my best for last and probably my obvious for last.

SPEAKER 3: And so if you want to you know, it, you know, I show one, you show one and then I show one, you show one.

SPEAKER 2: Well, you want me to start with my chalk one that I think will be the least surprising.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I made it the thumbnail for, for, for the episode today. So I don't think there's gonna be a lot of surprise.

SPEAKER 2: But 1933 Gowdy Mo Beg. So if you're listening to this, he's in the catching position, but this is a very personal card to me. If you're not familiar with the Mo Burg story, he, he was a spy, he was a, a backup catcher and, and none of this came to light till years later, there's been a fantastic book written a very mediocre movie made.

SPEAKER 2: And I was able to finally acquire this card, which is actually pretty hard to acquire.

SPEAKER 2: And I was excited because I got a one which has a beautiful front to it. I'll, I'll, I'll say it's got my surface. But on the back there's a stamp of a chicken. So I am naming it the limited edition chicken back edition of the Mo Rookie Card and I love it.

SPEAKER 3: The chicken be is.

SPEAKER 2: Yes, the chicken bur Chris Ramsey is his only card. No, it's not. He's got some play ball and a couple other rare, rare things, but this is by far my favorite and I think the only one in color could be wrong about that.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, you're, you're more the mo expert than, than I am. I was there, when you acquired that card, it was that, this year's, National, I know what that means, to you. So, very cool. And, you know, that's, that's kind of what, the theme of today's show is, is cards that have maybe a little deeper meaning potentially, you know, for, for us, you know, as owners of these cards.

SPEAKER 2: Well, you know what, you, you bring up a great point and I, and I took for granted, how much, you know, about what that card means to me. But this is a card I've bought and sold many times and have never quite been able to make a commitment to. So I finally made a commitment to, to hold on to this one. So, yes, it's very personal to me.

SPEAKER 3: All right. You want me to, is it my turn? You're up what you got? All? All right. So we're going off the sports grid with my first one. We've seen nonsporting cards really blow up the last year or two.

SPEAKER 3: You know, with, a, actors, actresses, musicians, their first appearance on either sticker or cardboard. This is a sticker.

SPEAKER 3: It's a, it's gonna be a P, it's gonna be in PS A eight form. It's from 1980. Panini, the rock and pop collection and those who really know me know, I'm a huge This is really one of my favorite musicians, if not. The guy for me. And so I acquired this card, I think either the end of 2022 or, or real early in the 2023. And I actually had this, yeah, Chris.

SPEAKER 3: Chris has nailed it already. I had this and then I upgraded it into a better condition one. So this is the PS A version of Billy Joe 1919 80. Everyone that sees the card says is that Sylvester Stallone it with, with the he does look like Sylvester Stallone. But it's Billy, this is William Joe from Oyster Bay, Long Island and there's he has a Janni Jeans card that's a couple of years earlier that rarely, rarely, rarely seen.

SPEAKER 3: So this is generally considered more of the not that this card is or sticker. There are not a ton of these necessarily either, but at least it came out of a pack, you know what I mean? So it's, it's, it's in that, it's in that form. So this for me is probably my grail non-sporting card. So, that's why I let off with that.

SPEAKER 3: I do have another one. I have a five and that's now in my show inventory for sale. So this, this is, this is not for sale and now the five is for sale.

SPEAKER 2: Well, I promise not to sing but it's a little bit after nine o'clock on a Friday. So we're close, you know, tomorrow.

SPEAKER 3: You know, John at the bar is a friend of mine and I, and I will tell you, I will tell you there's an alcohol beverage in, you know, and just.

SPEAKER 2: Remember to tip to the singer.

SPEAKER 2: You and I share the Billy Joel Love. So, III, I was happy when you got that card.

SPEAKER 2: That, that, that would have been pretty cool. Ruben says I would have gone with some kiss cards. More of my jam kiss actually has got a lot of very cool cards.

SPEAKER 2: So you can find those Reuben definitely. And I would encourage you guys if you haven't gotten into non sports.

SPEAKER 2: I've got a Paul McCartney over over there that, that almost made my top six today. Just, just didn't make the cut, and a batman car that from, from the sixties from the original TV show. Very cool stuff.

SPEAKER 3: By the way, guess where Kiss is from.

SPEAKER 3: If the answer is Brooklyn, it is. Brook Kisses is from Brooklyn. A lot of people think they're from Detroit cause of Detroit Rock City. They're from Brooklyn, New York. So now I don't know if, if some, if most knew that, but now, you know, you didn't know now, you know, well.

SPEAKER 2: The easy way to find to know the answer is if John asks where somebody's from, the answer is Brooklyn. All right. Is it my turn?

SPEAKER 3: It is. But I will say this every once in a while I'll throw a monkey wrench in there and ask you that and they're not from, just to keep you on your, I don't believe you.

SPEAKER 2: All right, I'm going with one and I picked, I picked a, a version here so I can show it on screen.

SPEAKER 2: The Bill Ripkin error card. Now, this is the one that has the black box over the handle. So you, you don't see the cuss words. I do collect the variations of this. But it's the 89 flier, the famous error card of, of, of a generation. And I do have different versions. I've got the original version over there as well.

SPEAKER 2: And if anybody has a white Scribble and wants to send it to me, definitely o on my wish list. But being from Baltimore, knowing, knowing Bill's personality.

SPEAKER 2: And, and all those different stories behind this. I absolutely love this card. I've had it most of my Life. And you know, I want to keep collecting all the different versions.

SPEAKER 3: So I, I'm, I'm a, I, I'm gonna assume you heard this, Danny. I just saw Cal Ripkin on a podcast. I don't know which one. I apologize to the owners of the podcast, but he claims that his brother put that on the bat intentionally. But he's also saying that Fleer enhanced it intentionally to make it more visible.

SPEAKER 3: So he's saying that his brother, Bill wrote f face on it. That's his writing. But that fear made it more prominent and visible to create the hysteria and the chase for the card. And then in turn, after they pulled them, made 10 different variations of the corrections that to keep the chase sort of going in the hunt. I'm assuming you heard them.

SPEAKER 2: You are 100% correct. The rumors for years were the Flare was involved somehow.

SPEAKER 2: And what Bill used to do is Bill used to name his bats.

SPEAKER 2: And he would give them, let's say colorful names like the one that he show has in the picture and that was a batting practice bat and he just happened to grab Mr FF and, for the picture and, Flare, made it very clear to read, which is, which is a little suspicious because a lot of players have the number on the bottom and you never can quite read that. But somehow, you know, eight characters are very, are very legible.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's, that's funny. It's one of those like behind the co speaking of behind the cards, that's a, behind the cards, in, in its own right? And so it's like a vh1.

SPEAKER 2: Where are they now? We need, we need the behind the scenes.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I, I, you know, I didn't necessarily like, do it and touch you, but like a lot of my, the six cards that pulled out with the exception of one have sort of a New York flavor. I'm proud to be, you know, from New York City.

SPEAKER 3: And this next card I'm, I still haven't shown a baseball player yet even with this second card, although it does, does appear on a card that says Mets on it and he's pictured with two Mets. But the, the guy on the card, it's number 2 99. It's a, it's a recent from a couple of years ago through tops and it's the Mike Tyson Green Auto right there.

SPEAKER 3: You can see he's punching Dwight Gooden and I believe that strawberry yeah, the strawberry in the middle. So strawberries in the middle and Tyson's reaching across and fake punching Dwight Gooden. It's numbered to 99 signed by, by Tyson. It's not graded. This is how it came from taps. I don't know if you can see it. It's numbered right there.

SPEAKER 3: I think it's like 73 of 99 and Chris Ramsey is giving you a shout out to green card. Yeah, I see. Yeah. And you can see the top sticker holding the mag tight together right there. So, you know, I'm not, you know, Mike Tyson did some bad stuff outside the ring, but arguably one of the greatest fighters and at least most feared fighters, in heavyweight history.

SPEAKER 3: And you can't argue, with the great of the boxer, Mike Tyson, maybe not the person, although he's kind of, you know, changed his Life. He hasn't gotten in any trouble in, in many years. He's, he's, he's doing kind of a one man show where he talked about his Life and his mistakes and, and sort of a redemption kind of thing. And, you know, also appeared in the hangover and it was pretty funny, in that.

SPEAKER 3: So, my Tyson, a fan of Mike Tyson the boxer. And when this card be, when tops, made this available, to the public, I quickly got on and got one of the 99 green versions of this auto. And this will be a card. I don't sell, it just stays on my, on my desk in the, acrylic case there. And so, there, that's number, the second card, that I've shown everybody.

SPEAKER 2: He's got a plan until they get punched.

SPEAKER 3: In the face. That's classic and it's so true, right? And across, not just boxing, but that's a, that's a good metaphor for Life. Yeah, that's a great Life quote. It is.

SPEAKER 2: All right. Well, from one goat to another, this is a Serena Williams rookie.

SPEAKER 2: It is a 2003 net pro international but it's the Match war and apparel version. And there are actually, you can see in the video on the podcast here, you won't be able to see it, but it's got part of actually her match more in apparel, which was pretty unique in 2003.

SPEAKER 2: Especially for a young tennis player. So this is, it, it, it's not a high grade, but I don't really care thi this is one that I'm gonna keep forever, to have a Serena rookie.

SPEAKER 2: I don't know, I just, I love this card. It, it's, it's right when she's coming out. I just, it's always connected to me. It was the first female athlete playing card that I ever had.

SPEAKER 2: I, I had some retired women's athletes but this was the first one in the career.

SPEAKER 2: So that, that's my third one. Ii, I love that Serena.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, another goat. Right. And, and we've seen again some of these, not the four major sports necessarily, but some of those other sports, you know, soccer, tennis, we've seen those first cards and early cards of the greats of those sports, you know, gain a lot of momentum. And, so, Hodge says, or, or the ear bit off plan goes out the window.

SPEAKER 4: Well, I, I wanna talk a little bit about that. How, you know, I was, I was hungry, I didn't eat dinner before that fight. And, you know, Alanda, I just, it was, it was right there.

SPEAKER 3: That's my Mike Tyson impression. I believe it's the first time I've ever done it, on the show and probably, the last time I'll ever do.

SPEAKER 2: That, that was our impression. Sure to go wrong.

SPEAKER 3: So, I used to, I think when I was younger I actually could do the Mike Tyson even better. You think you get better, you know, when you, when you, the more you do it. But apparently I did it better. What before? Like my voice change for puberty. So pre pre pre puberty, I think I did a better.

SPEAKER 2: Tyson, I think pre pre cold. We both had a better shot that too.

SPEAKER 3: That too.

SPEAKER 3: So.

SPEAKER 2: All right. So III I, I'm, I'm done three that I have Mo Bird, Bill Ripkin, Eric Card and Serena Williams.

SPEAKER 3: All right. So here's my third one and it's a Jackie Robinson. I'm gonna like let the cat right out of the bag, off the bat, but it's not the one you're thinking of or maybe you might see later on here.

SPEAKER 2: Not the Jackie Robinson we're thinking of or not the card we're thinking of.

SPEAKER 3: Not the, the Jackie Robinson card you would think of that you may see later.

SPEAKER 3: This is from flawless, not sure of the year 2017 maybe, but he's also on this card with two other players. You may have heard of, Ted Williams Joe DiMaggio and these are all these are game you, so we see Ted Williams is a gray flannel jersey, Jackie gray flannel jersey and Joe DiMaggio is a chip of his game use bat. This is numbered the 25.

SPEAKER 3: Let me see if there's any significance.

SPEAKER 2: This is what happens when we don't discuss this in advance because I was pretty happy with my Serena uniform and you just busted that one out.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, this is six out of 25 five. So it's, I mean, come on Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Jackie all game used on, on one card number to 25. I fortunately I got this very early ad before that crescendo hit. So it didn't cost me what it would have cost me to get it recently. I got it very early. I just, and I got it because it's Jackie for first and foremost.

SPEAKER 3: But when you can have a Joe DiMaggio bat and a piece of Ted Williams Jersey along with Jackie Jersey, I thought it was a pretty interesting piece and again in the PC never make my show showcase. This one stays here doesn't even go to the show with me number six out of 25. And you know, I show the back, it's not graded.

SPEAKER 3: But pretty cool, pretty cool piece of history, you know, I know some people and I, I can't even say I disagree. It's sort of sacrilegious. Right. When you think about this, let's be, let's, let's give all the perspective here. You got a Jackie Robinson jersey and a Ted Williams Jersey here that had to be destroyed to make a jersey card out of it. Right. That's a Joe DiMaggio bat that had to be sawed up and sliced up.

SPEAKER 3: And I get people who say like that's terrible. That, that's his history being I can't argue with that. I'd be, you know, I'd be disingenuous to argue with that. But it's also saying that it's also nice to own, AAA piece of history. This is not the only Jackie game use card I own, but I, I wanted to show this one because of the, the two other, you know, players on here with him. I was gonna say, by.

SPEAKER 2: Cutting it up, more people get to enjoy it also.

SPEAKER 2: It's true.

SPEAKER 3: It's a, it's, it's a double, it's a catch 22 right? I, I can't argue. I did a whole Hobby quick hits years ago.

SPEAKER 3: I agree with you. You know, I did a whole, Hobby quick hits about sort of the sacrilegious, you know, part of vintage game use card. Yeah.

SPEAKER 2: Brendan. Brian says it's only an abomination of Panini double printed.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 2: Well, it's, it's flawless. So we got to find out which box John got.

SPEAKER 3: Some people won't get that joke.

SPEAKER 3: You too. There.

SPEAKER 2: There, there's, there's, there's news going on this week. Even if it's slow. Ok. Well, that was a really cool card. I, I, I'm, I'm changing my order here because I'm one of the few people. Well, I say a few people, I like strip cards, not strippers, but strip.

SPEAKER 3: Cards that Yuka was about to say strippers like bench warmers or where we go in here with this. This is supposed to be a kid friendly show.

SPEAKER 2: Well, it is, except I also have a heavyweight boxer in my list. I've got a Jack Johnson and this is a 1923 W 5 80 strip card. It is graded with SGC and it's just a classic pose of him kind of in the ready position.

SPEAKER 2: It, it's officially 100 years old this year. And II, I am not as big of a boxing fan as you are John, but Jack Johnson to me, I love goats and, and I think he's just one of the most underrated athletes, in American history, certainly in the early part of the 20th century. And that, that was this, this card. I'll show it again.

SPEAKER 2: The strip card. You can see where it's been cut.

SPEAKER 2: I, I love that card. Knock not going for sale anytime soon.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, that's a great card. Jack, you know, I, I do say Jack Johnson, you don't necessarily, you would have to be a huge boxing aficionado to know the significance of Jack Johnson. What year is that? In 1914 or 19 11, 300.

SPEAKER 3: See I was I was wrong. So yeah, it's 100 year that, that card that you know, that hand cut card is 100 years old and I just.

SPEAKER 2: Loved the story 100 years ago that somebody had this strength, you know, and, and, and, and to think, you know, the story behind it, I find very cool.

SPEAKER 2: So II I just, I like strip cards, not all of them. I know sometimes they get a little funky, but that, that one to me is a classic and any time you have a Hall Of Fame, go to any sport, it's worthwhile.

SPEAKER 3: You like strip cards and you cannot lie. Is that what you said?

SPEAKER 2: Yes. That's exactly what I, what I said. And that's the way I'd like people to take the take. That's the take away from this. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER 3: That's, that's what I thought. Well, it's, it's, it's hard to tap the.

SPEAKER 2: Why I'm gonna start putting singles in Jack Johnson's gym shorts.

SPEAKER 3: All right. So, my next card.

SPEAKER 3: What, you know, I'll say this before I show it. This is a, a kind of a weird dynamic right here. You have a vintage player on a 2004 card that is finest, the finest card. So it's Chromium, you know, got that shine and, and kind of refractor quality to it. I purchased this about three years ago at a car show.

SPEAKER 3: I was set up with, a, a gentleman and a son came over to me table and they had a little, you know, like kind of Zion size case. And hey, are you buying? I said, I'll take a look and I wound up buying, they, you know, they wanted to sell everything and they had some nice stuff. The asking price for everything, was, wasn't gonna be in my budget. So I said, well, listen, I'm interested in a few cards.

SPEAKER 3: Would you, you know, I know you kind of want to sell all of it, but I'm not gonna be in that market. But if you wanted to sell three cards, I would be interested in know. And so we agreed on a deal. This was one of the three cards. It's one of my favorite cards in my collection. Not the most, not necessarily the most expensive when we said this isn't gonna be all about dollar size, although it is still a pricey card.

SPEAKER 3: And I, unfortunately, I think soon and this is not why I bought it, but unfortunately, I think soon the price on this is gonna go up and, and people will understand why when I show this card. So this is a 2004 finest moment autograph card and it's it's Willie Mays and it's a Willie Mays.

SPEAKER 3: I know it's shiny so it's definitely gonna get some extra glare. But there's the, the auto very, very cool and I'll show the back and the back will have the little like the top holographic authentic sticker. And so it's a modern day card with a legendary vintage era player autograph and, and Willie Mays and, and you know, from this time period, excuse me, Willie was younger.

SPEAKER 3: And so his signature was a lot neater and presentable than it has been a recent, I think he's approaching 90 or he might already be, in his nineties. He's arguably right now, not arguably, I think right now, he's the greatest living ball player.

SPEAKER 3: We have, and, you know, so, to have his signature, you know, with a little bit of a modern flair, It was a card that I picked out, in it is sticker, it is a sticker. I don't know, you know, it's, it's hard to tell you.

SPEAKER 3: No, you know what, it's not a sticker. What? I don't know why they did this, but they made like three panels. I don't know if you can see it. They made like three panels. So it actually has like a sticker look, but it's actually on card. It is actually on card.

SPEAKER 2: This is fantastic for the podcast audio, by the way.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. But, yeah, but, no, it is odd. Car sticker autos don't bother me as much as they bother other people, I will, I will attest, you know, confess to that. But if you asked me, would you rather have an odd card or sticker auto? Obviously like 99% of other people? I, I'll take the odd card. I don't know why they did that design which makes it look like a sticker.

SPEAKER 3: But can I it is.

SPEAKER 2: Can I ask you in the light? It looks almost like greenish blue. Is that, is that pure, is that a chrome color?

SPEAKER 3: Where on the auto or the.

SPEAKER 2: Willie Mays picture? What color is that? It's green.

SPEAKER 3: It is this like the dress. Is this like the dress? Is it blue or gold? Right? Exactly.

SPEAKER 2: No, that's a gorgeous car, John.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, it it is cool. It stays on my case on my desk so I can see it every day. So and you know, he's getting up there in age. I, I didn't, you know, I bought it three years ago just because so Willie Mays Auto that looks aesthetically very nice and I'm like, I gotta, I gotta, you know, I gotta try to get this I got two other cards as part of that purchase but that was really one of the focal ones out of the three cards.

SPEAKER 2: All right, Mookie says I love the doll beverage Sean. This is fun.

SPEAKER 2: Yes.

SPEAKER 2: And Ruben yes, I, I am on Canned Coke. Not bottled Coke tonight. I will be back to my, my first olive pork. But we, we are still improvising on the move and to be quite honest with you, it's been a long week everybody.

SPEAKER 2: All right, my turn, I'm gonna stick with a local connection and just like you, it's gonna be a hall of Famer. This person was born in Baltimore. Most people don't know that never played a minor league game. Went straight to the majors rookie card.

SPEAKER 2: 1954 tops, which I think is one of the most beautiful sets in the fifties. And John and I happened to have both have this card. We bought it at the same time. We got a much better deal that way at 1950 for Al Cayon rookie with the red back and just the young, young, young Kay and I love that.

SPEAKER 3: And an underrated player, one of my underrated guys. And like Danny said, we got a connection with this card. I it's not, I'm not gonna pull it out but it's it's right here. Mine is right here in, in this case here like Danny said, we got we were looking at the showcase together, we struck up a conversation with the dealer.

SPEAKER 3: There was three K lines in, in his case and we picked the best two and said, hey, what do you do if we, if we purchased two of them and, made, came to an agreement and so we each, we each have one, I didn't pull mine out.

SPEAKER 3: And, and you said you did. So, and one thing about both of those cards, the, like you said, the color on those, is really exceptional.

SPEAKER 3: And if you know anything about 54 caps, one of the first things to go is sort of kind of, the color will fade unless they, unless the specimens and 54 tops, you know, the more I look at them and see them, they're really becoming one of my favorite vintage year cards and, and, and sets, if I ever did a vintage set, 54 would be right at the top of the list.

SPEAKER 3: And you know, it's got a, it's got a, a great great list of rookie cards. I'm, I'm sort of segue in into what might be the next card.

SPEAKER 2: You professional transition, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. And so the next two cards, full transparency, full disclosure I've posted about them. It's not a secret there. These are not gonna be surprises. These are probably the two favorite cards in my collection. Yes, they are expensive. That's not why they're my favorite cards.

SPEAKER 3: It just kind of comes with the territory. And so seguing into that 54 was another 54 I bought earlier this year and we still have a connection with this card cause I would actually stop buying cards getting ready for the National.

SPEAKER 3: And then you sent me an auction link knowing I was, this was on my list and I am the king of the Segway. I'm gonna wear that Crown C crowd. I'll get to wear it. So other than the, remember the Burger King crowns, you used to get at Burger King. They, they'd have out and since.

SPEAKER 2: Since we've gone off on a tangent when he says Segway, he doesn't mean nothing. You drive.

SPEAKER 3: No, that I've never driven one of those. That's probably a good thing. I probably the guy who invented it, died driving it is I think, is that really true? I think it is.

SPEAKER 2: The comments, so many of the comments. Let me know, I believe, I believe that's the true story.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: So this card is Danny's fault. I had shut down my buying in preparation for the National. He sends me a link. I tell him I'm all right. I, I'm not supposed to do this. I'm gonna bid on it but someone will probably outbid on me and then I'll try to get it at the National. Well, I wound up winning this thing. I'm not complaining cause I got a great deal on it.

SPEAKER 3: And then I even felt better when I went to the National last month and saw what some of the lesser grade versions of this card were bringing, which was more money than I paid for this one, which is really, we've talked about, I appeal in cards. This one checks all those boxes guys and, and enough enough jibber jabber.

SPEAKER 3: You don't even have to say anything but this is an audio podcast. So I will say this is a 1954 tops, Hank Aaron Rookie. It's a PS A 3.5.

SPEAKER 3: These are bad, traditionally bad for centering and black print dots and this has a pretty solid centering and no black print dots. And this has an eye appeal, you know, gray either with the 3.5 and the back is very bright with the, with the colors in the green in red and just an iconic card, right? And Hank Aaron, you know, just an all time great in my mind, he's still the home run king.

SPEAKER 3: As far as I'm concerned, I know we could have a show all about that, but look at, look at the young Henry Aaron here and you know, one thing I love about the 50 fours is you get, you get the two photos, right? You get sort of the inaction, the portrait, you get the facsimile autograph and then the team logo.

SPEAKER 3: And it's just the 50 fours are just the more I look at them, the more they're sort of growing up and not just cause I own this but this is just Danny will tell you, we looked at some errands, that were actually higher grades, maybe fours and five that I wouldn't trade, I wouldn't trade this 3.5 for what I saw in the four and five. Some of them. Not, not all of them, obviously.

SPEAKER 3: But really happened to own this didn't really plan on buying them before the National, but it just sort of worked out, it worked out that way. And so that one is checked off the the list and you know, like.

SPEAKER 2: Guy on your shoulder who says buy Hank Aaron Rookie.

SPEAKER 3: Bye ha I don't know if you're a bad influence or good influence, but you're an influence and, and either way you slice it. So it's.

SPEAKER 2: A good card. I will say if you're listening to the audio version of this, I I John's being modest. I I the I appeal on. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER 2: It's a great card.

SPEAKER 3: I will say this, I will say this other than one card. It's probably my favorite card I own. So that probably I think most people know what's coming. But we'll, we'll wait till we get there.

SPEAKER 2: Well, mine might not be a secret either, but let's catch up on a couple of comments here. Mookie says the 50 fours are so nice that 55 and 56 use the same photos.

SPEAKER 2: Also very important.

SPEAKER 2: We said that we each got the K and rookie together. So who got the nicer Kline? Well, did you have to negotiate? I'll give the summary. There was three K lines and we both without talking to each other, knew which one we were going to eliminate and it was actually the highest grade or the most expensive one.

SPEAKER 2: But I, I think we both felt the, I appeal was the worst of the three. After that, you kind of, I liked the one you got and I kind of like the one I got. There wasn't really any disagreement over who was gonna get which one? And, you know, we didn't negotiate and we got a good deal.

SPEAKER 3: Can I, can I add a little bit to that and give a little more detail? So there was three K lines in this dealer's case, two fives and a four and a and as Danny just said, I got one of the fives and Danny got the, the four and, and obviously I paid a little bit more when we came up with who was paying what?

SPEAKER 3: But the five, we didn't take the five we didn't take was the, if we were right, if we took the, took them out of the, the graded case and just said, rank these cards and, and how, how they look, the five we didn't buy would have been ranked third on both of our lists.

SPEAKER 3: So, in a sense in our opinion, we got the best two out of the three, throw the grades out. We got the best two out of the three K lines. In, in that case. All right, we got a.

SPEAKER 2: Couple other things. I wanna get it caught up. I just got breaking information about my Coke zero situation. It turns out Costco does not carry the glass bottles, only the cans. So that's, that, that was reporting that was just, passed along to me from, from, my personal, shopper.

SPEAKER 2: So there's no blame going there. And most importantly, I was right, the Segway inventor died after sustaining injuries, going over a Cliff on the Segway.

SPEAKER 3: So that's a, I don't mean to laugh, the poor gentleman lost his Life on his own invention.

SPEAKER 3: But like, you couldn't, like, like Disney would throw that out now for obvious reasons, it doesn't have a really good ending.

SPEAKER 3: So I don't think they'd be interested anyway, but like that's almost like, that's almost like you could win a bar bet you. That's a great bar bet. Hey, did you know the Segway guy died going over clip, you know, act a little drunk and they were like, no, he didn't like what a bat, five bucks and then you win, you know, five bucks. It's like, that's, that's crazy.

SPEAKER 3: I didn't know that. I didn't know that I will be using that in some form or fashion at a later, at a later date, not to make light of someone's untimely demise. But like, come on, like you invented this thing and you go over a Cliff, like it's not like it was an evil Knievel and he like, rigged his car and then he died in a Cliff job. You doing the of a Cliff?

SPEAKER 2: Can we start there? Question, what are you doing on the edge of a Cliff? On a Segway?

SPEAKER 2: Inquiry?

SPEAKER 3: Minds inquiring minds want to know unless we, unless we get a AAA you know, board or whatever they call those things, we're probably not ever gonna know why he was near a Cliff on a Segway. That's, that's terrible. I mean, Jeers, it's been, this did not add that to my Google search list right now.

SPEAKER 2: We know what John is gonna be doing later this evening.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I'll be up to one o'clock Segway owner Cliff search, you know, not that I don't believe Mookie. I mean, he actually confirmed it. You, you said you think that's the case, Mookie confirmed it, but now I now I just want all the detail. Like you said, what was he doing on the Cliff? What's the back story? Was he shooting a commercial? What's going on there? I didn't expect a cliffhanger. I didn't expect a cliffhanger. Hos.

SPEAKER 3: He's like this is what you get with this show, you know, like you come for cards and you get the dieing over a Cliff. So, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that will happen sometimes on the show, Dylan.

SPEAKER 2: Staying focused on cars is I appeal is king.

SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I think that was the point we were trying to make on our cards. Dylan couldn't agree more. It, it is about, I appeal and not the numbers. Brendan says the humanity lol yes, to put a Segway on the side of a Cliff, you know, come on people.

SPEAKER 2: Reuben, I hear, Hollywood had Sylvester Stallone as the Segway owner in the movie cliffhanger. Yeah, I think, I, I think some of these write themselves.

SPEAKER 3: Oh man, we can, we're not going to do it, but we could do a whole show about the, the Segway guy and puns and, and, and, you know, jokes off of that, which is, you know, probably not politically correct. But what are we gonna do? Like, I'm sad.

SPEAKER 3: He died and, and, but, you know, it was his Segway and he chose, you know, he chose to take a chance on the Cliff, which is why we're asking why, what are you doing on a Cliff? I don't think that when he's the designer of the Segway, I think he should know it's probably not designed for clips.

SPEAKER 2: Well, here's my question. So if I go on a Segway tour and they tell me it's safe, I just call BS on them and be like, no, the inventor died. Where's he?

SPEAKER 3: Well, I don't think you're going on a Segway Cliff adventure.

SPEAKER 2: I don't think he should have been either. But you never know where these kids.

SPEAKER 3: What's the back story? That's what I want to know more to the story. It's like.

SPEAKER 2: Gilligan on Segway. Three hour tour ends up on a Cliff.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Like that's, by the way, just to clarify this, Justin, Mikey from the Life series commercials did not die by eating pop rocks and drinking soda. He actually still alive at last check. And, I don't know if he likes pop rocks, but he didn't die eating them or drinking soda. So, good for at least. Good for Mikey there.

SPEAKER 2: Cheers to Mikey.

SPEAKER 2: Oh, I love pop rocks by the way. Shout out to pop rocks. Ok. My last card. I don't think it's gonna be a surprise. Anybody who is, I'm sorry, this was, oh, no.

SPEAKER 3: It, it makes it all the more ironic.

SPEAKER 2: I'd like to, I'd like to actually bring up a point. It was turns out it was not an altering sequence.

SPEAKER 3: How do you know what, what makes it an all terrain of wheels? Well, if it was.

SPEAKER 2: All terrain, he wouldn't be dead.

SPEAKER 3: Well, accidents can still happen. People die in winter with four wheel drive vehicles. Yeah, that's because they don't know how to drive. Oh, that's true too sometimes. Ok.

SPEAKER 2: So card, I've been chasing some people know that I picked it up. I guess it's been a couple of months now already.

SPEAKER 2: Yes in Baltimore Zone.

SPEAKER 2: This is a player who I have, have, have a very, very big affinity for one of my two or three favorite all time players in this small screen here. Over this shoulder is an autographed picture on the back wall.

SPEAKER 2: I happened to be wearing the shirts in and the card is my Sandy Koufax rookie card which I am proud after many, many, many years to finally get back after, after he's been gone, he's been gone for so many years.

SPEAKER 2: But Sandy's back, I got this, I got a great deal on this.

SPEAKER 2: It's got PWCC IP L rating.

SPEAKER 2: It's a 3.5. So, you know, it, it, it was in my budget upgrade it one day perhaps, but I, I love this card. Cox is, is, is important to me. This card is special to me and for a million reasons. I it, it had to be in my top six and you know what if I had the Orange getting in the minor league that might have made my top six too. So you, you didn't miss too bad on that one. I just don't have it.

SPEAKER 3: Well, I'm glad you got the KO facts. I sleep a little bit better. Not gonna lie. Not that I have trouble sleeping at night. But I do have, I'm sleeping a little bit better know when you got that after what happened at last year's National, where we sort of targeted the same card in the same case.

SPEAKER 3: And I just got there sooner and, and, and bought it. So we both own that card and I'm glad, I'm glad that's the case and I, I know what it means to you, as well. So, another card we share, some commonality, with.

SPEAKER 2: And I'm so emotional. I just not cover my camera here.

SPEAKER 2: Well, that, by the way, that was the quickest camera fix I've ever had. I, I would like to say all the cards that we're bringing out. We're, you know, we're having fun. The, the, these are, these are emotional, to me, if you, if you don't know the story, I'll repeat it real quickly.

SPEAKER 2: I had my entire collection stolen it. It, I'm not gonna lie. It, it, it's messed with my head for years in, in, in this Hobby. And so to have some of these cards, just absolutely.

SPEAKER 2: I, I can't tell you the excitement I have and I wish I didn't have a cold so you could hear it in my voice even better. But these are personal and this is what the Hobby is about. So, you know, for everybody in the comments, I appreciate all the shoutouts. Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Mine, I'm not gonna show it. I don't want mine is over, over my shoulder here. You can see it right there. On top of that case, but, here my last one gonna be anti climatic, right one that's followed me even a little bit, knows what my grail card, always was, until I got it last, last year, almost two years ago now.

SPEAKER 3: And I have no one else to blame but myself, folks, like, I had opportunities to buy this card on probably 3 to 4 occasions years ago. And I kind of kicked the can down the road and just said, well, I'll get it next show or next month. And I always, you know, next, it's, it's like procrastination, right?

SPEAKER 3: I'll do it next week or next show. And by doing that, it cost me a considerable mo more money to finally get it. But I just decided, you know, I had a couple, I had like three great shows in a row and put some money aside. And I'm like, if I'm ever gonna get this card, I gotta do it now because it is not really going down.

SPEAKER 3: If anything, it's gonna go up, potentially, even more. It's a 1.5 people, probably, many people know what they're about to see. It presents to me better than the 1.5 which is why I own it. Another connection with Danny here, when I was bartering on acquiring this card, I consulted him, you know, sent them scans.

SPEAKER 3: What do you think? What should I offer? And he insist he assisted me in that process. And eventually I, I came up with an agreement with the seller to acquire what is my grail card? It's the Jackie 1.5 leaf 48 and people to debate 48 48 49 48 49 leaf color is still great. It does have a scratch right there.

SPEAKER 3: Corners aren't terrible. They, they, they're surrounded. The back is pretty clean. There's no paper loss, no chicken.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, no creases, no creases. So it's mostly cornering and, and corners and surface. Centering is actually pretty good as a as well. So presents real well. It's in a new a new SGC case. When I bought it, it was the old, it was the old jaw line. Yeah. Who graded that SGC? Oh, go ahead. Good consistency.

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SPEAKER 3: So when I bought it, it was in the old SGC green label, the green line label and I had posted, did it SGC, I know Peter and, and the guys at SGC they sponsor Sports Car Nation and they obviously spon as you just heard, they sponsor card matches when I posted this, you know, Peter messaged me and said, hey, man, that will look a lot better in a new, a new SGC case.

SPEAKER 3: And so they made, they made, they made that happen. I will say this full disclosure. I sent it to them for the new case on Monday and I had it back on Friday and I was a nervous nellie. I was a nervous nelly with this card on, at different points. I was nervous. I had to go to ebay. It was through ebay. So I had to go to the ebay authentication process, went through that quick.

SPEAKER 3: Then I was nervous getting it sent to me. My wife actually stayed home from work. She had a bunch of sick times. She's a, a nurse who doesn't call out sick a lot. I got this when I was in Dallas Texas at the Dallas car show. I already had planned that true. I was hoping to get it before I left. And so my wife, this is my, I'll give my wife some credit here. I love her.

SPEAKER 3: She's, I said someone's gotta be home. I'm not home. I'm in Dallas. This thing has to be, signed for and she said, you know what? I, I'm not feeling great and I got a bunch of sick time. I'm gonna take tomorrow off and make sure, you know, I'll be home, I'll sign for it. She signed for it.

SPEAKER 3: So I'm in Dallas, I'm texting her. Hey, did it come yet? Did you sign for it? Big nervous nellie.

SPEAKER 3: She she text me, she didn't open it. She goes, do you want me to open it? I said no, let me, I, I wanna do the, so she texted me a picture of the box closed and she knew the value.

SPEAKER 2: You asked for proof of Life, didn't you?

SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I wanted to see the box box, right? So she she sent me a text her with the picture of the box. She knew, you know, she asked me what did this card cost? And she doesn't know cards but she, you know, she knows some she knew this one was expensive. I told her and she said, holy crap really?

SPEAKER 3: And I'm like, yeah, you know, and then I explained to her that you can sell them at any time. It's, it's another form of just having your money tied up rather than cash or in gold or silver. So she text, she sent me another text, I'm gonna sell it and go on a girl's vacation and I texted back, I texted back. Very funny.

SPEAKER 3: You wouldn't even know where to start and begin how to sell it anyway. And she texted back. You're right. I wouldn't. But Jordan Jordan can help me, Jordan is my second time, 22 year old son who would know exactly what to do if he had to sell that card. So, you know, she was obviously kidding.

SPEAKER 3: But all the time here I had like another, another day and a half in Dallas and I was just thinking, you know, and here's how my mind works, folks. I, so I'm on my way home, I'm on the flight, Dallas to Syracuse New York. And I'm thinking, you know, what, if this plane goes down? And I never truly, like, get to enjoy my grail card, even though I know it's at my house, you know, and.

SPEAKER 2: You, and you would miss your wife and your son.

SPEAKER 3: Right? Yeah, but I was thinking of the Jackie at that moment.

SPEAKER 3: So now obviously come on. I know. But it is funny. It's funny because that was the flavor of the moment. Right? Is this the grail card I've never owned it. It's one of those cards I've never owned and I finally got it cost me more than it would have on the times when I didn't pull the trigger, which was my stupidity.

SPEAKER 3: And, and my stupidity cost me, a few extra bucks. And, but, you know, I, I own it now and, you know, it's a great 1.5 and, it's, it's, if I'm home it's, it's on my desk for, for me to, to look at and enjoy and, you know, a fun story with, with my wife kind of being the one that actually was home and, and had to sign for it and, and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER 3: So, but, yeah, that's, that's it. I, I know, you know, I knew most people would probably figure that was gonna make the cut, which it did. But how can it not? Right. Ii, I don't.

SPEAKER 2: Think there's a way you could do a top list and not include that Jackie. I mean, as much as I love my cards, you know, that Jackie is just, just on the Mount Rushmore, I think of all time cards. So, congratulations.

SPEAKER 3: And Mosel to, to you. Yeah. And you know, I got it. What? It's almost two years now and it's still cool like it's, you know, sometimes it's like anything, right? You get something at first. It's awesome. You love it, you look at it, you hold it and that's sort of the bloom sometimes comes off the roads. It just now naturally occurs. Ok? It's cool.

SPEAKER 3: I got it. Maybe you look at it less and it means a little bit. This is one of those cards for me that the bloom really doesn't, doesn't really come off that rose that, that bloom will, will stay on it. And, you know, I get asked, I get asked sometimes after I got that card, one of the question I got asked. All right. Now you got your Jackie Newman.

SPEAKER 3: What, like, what's the, the next grail card? I really didn't have like a second grail card. I have a bunch of cards and I still have a bunch of cards I wanna own someday. I don't have another list. Yeah. But I didn't have something I would really call a grail car. Probably that Aon Rookie was the, the next ground card.

SPEAKER 3: And even that wasn't a ground card in the same sense as the Jackie for me, as a kid from Brooklyn who idolized them and, and heard the stories, my dad told who grew up literally going to Abbotts Field, a, a ton who met Jackie in person and as well as well as all the other Brooklyn Dodgers, and shared a lot of those stories. So, it just, it, that's where the, the meaning comes from.

SPEAKER 2: So who, who just missed? I, I, I'm catching you off guard here on your list. Was there anybody who, who was a tough cut just missed?

SPEAKER 3: Or was it? I mean, I mean, I, I know it's not for other people, you know, it's, it's the the Togo Rookie that you got in Strongsville from the 1933 gowdy Sport Kings. It's right here. It's, it's not far on my desk. A lot of people wouldn't even know necessarily like, what is that?

SPEAKER 3: It, it's, it's it's a card I, I was, it's hard to find, you know, I bought it and I didn't know what I was buying. Yeah, so, and, and thank you for that another, another connection there.

SPEAKER 3: You know, the is up there. It's behind me. There's a brown rookie but I mean, I, I, you know, we wanted to go way long. We could have done, 20 cards. There's a gray rookie. I mean, I've, I've got a, a, you know, a PC Hall Of Fame graded rookie.

SPEAKER 3: So, there's a lot of boxes I check, there's a lot of boxes I still have to check. Hopefully, I don't think I'll live long enough to check them out, but I'm gonna die trying as, as 50 cents would say for those of you.

SPEAKER 2: Who know me most of that reference II I it was lost.

SPEAKER 2: So, all right, let's catch up. Chris Ramsey 1950 Bowman, Jackie Robinson card. 1.5 about the same price as the rookie card. Leaf. 1.5. Yeah, I mean, prices and, and what personally appeals to people and supply demand, scarcity grade. I mean, there, there's a lot of things that affect it. I mean the 52 tops. Jackie is a beautiful card. I know people who prefer that over the leaf to each their own, but II I.

SPEAKER 3: I'm a rookie guy. I'm a rookie card. I'm a rookie card guy. So it's not so much the design as well.

SPEAKER 3: The design stands on its own. It helps. Yeah, it helps. Don't get me wrong. I'd rather a good looking rookie card. But if it's an ugly card, but it's the rookie and it's a third year beautiful card. I'm still gonna go for the rookie first and then maybe the third year card.

SPEAKER 2: After that fact, Rubin says I would have never expected a 50% on the show.

SPEAKER 3: You do, you don't, you don't know what you're gonna get it. Pop culture will, will, you know, wear its ugly head in here. I will admit and there's already, there's already two ugly heads in here and then you'll get a something else.

SPEAKER 2: Pop another might pop in clemente rookie might give me flight anxiety.

SPEAKER 3: But here's Brendan. That was on my list of cards I wanted to acquire at this year's National. I was unfortunately say that didn't work out. I wound up getting instead of Kline and a Bob Gibson.

SPEAKER 3: But the were my first two choices for this year's National and I looked at a bunch, but the prices were just way over what we, you know, the kids call comps and so I wasn't able to acquire them. They're still on my list. I still want to get them. I'm a little bit in after spending at the National, not in the market for at the moment.

SPEAKER 3: But eventually the, the budget may allow me to entertain the thought in the future sometime.

SPEAKER 2: Can I just tell you? I got a new chair when I moved and it sucks. My push is so sore right now.

SPEAKER 2: I just had to share that this is the most uncomfortable chair. If anybody's ever buying chairs. The task chair from Amazon is, is.

SPEAKER 3: Is, is horrible. Stay tuned. Two weeks from now we're gonna do the top six best office chairs for you.

SPEAKER 2: I will take recommendations because I.

SPEAKER 3: Need to know it would be riveting.

SPEAKER 2: I, I am, I am numb from the waist down. I gotta tell you.

SPEAKER 3: That might not be anything to do with the chair.

SPEAKER 3: There's a, there's a website you might have, you might have meningitis. You may want to go to your local physician.

SPEAKER 2: Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER 3: All right, John, at least you're not on a Segway, near a Cliff.

SPEAKER 2: Well, the night, the night is still young. I, I wanna go on a Segway tour.

SPEAKER 3: There's the, I don't know, do you have cliffs in Baltimore?

SPEAKER 2: I gotta admit, I mean, in Maryland, not in Baltimore, but I mean, yeah, I mean, I can't believe we're talking about this, but I'm not gonna take a Segway to the Cliff.

SPEAKER 2: It doesn't seem like a good idea. Well, we went way over. So it's a good thing. We didn't do 20 cards.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So, it would have been, that would have been something.

SPEAKER 2: I'm glad you are back and healthy.

SPEAKER 3: Yeah. I'm, I'm not 100% but I'm, I'm high nineties now. I think I'm not coughing every 30 seconds like I was. And, you know, but, I don't know, you hit 50 you know, it's, it's, it's, things start to go bad.

SPEAKER 2: So, just remember to get the extended warranty. Yeah, I think, it's too late and I've got to finish on this. Reuben says, Fy, I, the first time I was in Baltimore, I witnessed a Segway tour the city. Well, Reuben, I think you just figured out what my weekend plans are.

SPEAKER 2: So, if you're watching tonight you can see me on a, a Hobby hotline tomorrow morning. If you're listening to this, on the podcast. Yes. You missed an excellent episode of Hobby Hotline on Saturday morning.

SPEAKER 3: So I'll live which you can still, which you can still catch on YouTube. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER 2: So, anything else, John?

SPEAKER 3: No, this was a, a lot of fun. And, you know, I think people, I think, you know, people like seeing cards. Right. I like seeing people's collections and, you know, I don't know if we'll do it, all the time. But, you know, something a little different and, you know, like I said, it'll be better than the next show which we will be talking about office chairs. What to avoid and what to look for.

SPEAKER 2: All right, on that note, I think we'll, I think we'll, we'll, we'll take one of your cards as inspiration and if anybody gets the, the, the, the reference good on you take care and we'll see you in two weeks.