Card Mensches E10 "The Most Vulnerable Parts of The Hobby"

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Hey, I'm David Watt, and I'm John Newman.

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Welcome to Card Manchies.

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Hey, I'm Danny Black at Hans John Newman,

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we're still Card Manchies.

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Yeah, no false advertising on this show.

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This is the real deal.

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Our body doubles our own strength.

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So you get the real guys.

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I think we're like flip-flopped on the screen.

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It's like sleeping on the wrong side of the bed.

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I don't know.

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[Laughter]

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That's the kind of day.

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I think that's the kind of day it is.

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Okay, for those of you who don't know,

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I am in Strong'sville, Ohio at the Strong'sville vintage

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card collectible showcase,

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extravaganza, the Corriga's card show in the country.

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It's like a speakeasy for vintage card collectors.

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Haven't a blast.

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What are you doing?

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I'm not in Strong'sville, Ohio,

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but wish I was probably.

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I just came back from Massachusetts last weekend.

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So I would have loved to go now,

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and maybe not enough changing in the future,

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changing.

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So, you know, we'll see.

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We're here a lot nicer than I am,

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because I sent you pictures all day of stuff that stuff here

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that I had to brag about.

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It meant on cardboard.

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It was meant on cardboard, so.

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Today we wanted to tackle something kind of like,

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what's vulnerable in the hobby.

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How long's this show?

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I was about to say,

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you got a legal pattern.

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Is it like, you know,

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a declaration of independence here?

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I don't know, who you want to go first?

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Do we want to alternate?

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How do we want to do it?

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I would just like to say once again,

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that I woke up in Baltimore,

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and I'm now in Ohio,

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so you can pick any order you want.

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All right, I'll start.

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I mean,

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this list can go long.

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You know,

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I'll keep it to like top picks, right?

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I mean,

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my first pick is going to be,

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you know,

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lesser-known grading companies.

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As the price has come down,

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Danny,

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and, you know,

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an SGC's case turnaround time is great.

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I think, you know,

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if you're not in that top four,

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five even,

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you know,

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your days could be numbered.

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You don't hear.

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Unless you're in that top.

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I mean,

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we could use bad.

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I don't want to make this the back of show.

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I think we've talked enough about them,

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but even a company that was at the top of that list,

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years ago,

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is now on the outside looking in.

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and that's,

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that has a lot of name to it to it, right?

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so I think if you're not in that top

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at your line of grading companies,

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I don't know,

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if you're,

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you know,

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maybe you're comfortable with the

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intake you're getting.

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You don't have a big budget.

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but if you have some overhead,

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and you're in the building where you're paying.

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Some rat things could be interesting.

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I think it's fair to say that,

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no more than four major companies

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around the end of 2023 at the most.

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I don't think that's going to a far out.

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I don't,

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I don't know the 105 major companies.

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we'll always have those fringe companies, right?

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some of them are not going to survive.

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and sometimes it's not overhead,

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even,

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Danny,

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right,

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if you're business,

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I set up a car shows.

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I have a salesman.

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If I set up a car shows and didn't sell anything,

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at some point the light bulb's going to go on.

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And I'm going to say,

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I'm not to set up at car shows.

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And I think same thing would,

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some of these outside grading companies,

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they're going to just say,

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we're not getting any intake in what are we doing here.

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And I'm trying to go back to the workforce.

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What of the smaller ones,

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and I,

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and I apologize,

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I've drawn a total blank on the name.

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I thought in the last couple weeks,

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just announced they were going under.

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If somebody in the chat has it,

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please feel free to throw it out there.

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I'm not sure that's exactly.

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GMA is still going.

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what did they charge like five bucks a slap?

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People do get their cards,

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slab by them.

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what GMA has become is just a protective case,

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right?

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I mean,

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they're not trading or selling at,

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market levels.

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They're just,

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hey,

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I wanted to get my favorite card.

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I know it's not a time,

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but I wanted to get it in the,

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in the slab,

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you know what I mean?

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If I was,

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if I was become a beefed up mag tight.

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it's hard to start a great in company.

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I don't,

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I don't want to pretend that I could start one today,

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and make it successful,

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but it's a tough playing field out there,

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so I think that's a good one to get it started with,

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because with everything that's going on right now,

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it might,

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it might only be three,

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but by the end of 2023,

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who knows,

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but there might be four,

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good evening,

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Stephen.

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All right,

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I got one for you,

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and this is the total volume,

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the total number of,

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one line marketplaces.

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And this is for both selling and breaking.

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There's just can't be this much.

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And this is not per selling or breaking.

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This is just saying that there's too many marketplaces.

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If you want to sell and break,

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you have to choose at this point between 25 or 30.

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I think every major city now gets a,

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now gets a online marketplace.

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It's like a warning in NFL franchise.

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what breaking,

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once fanatics does that breaking division,

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which they've really started to implement,

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and its emphasis they just Danny,

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that's going to be key right to survival,

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especially once they get this,

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the three or the four licenses,

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the most of the product is going to come out of their,

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their buildings.

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And so if you're not in that,

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I'm not less from them.

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I'm not saying you still can't survive,

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but it becomes the degree of survivability becomes more difficult.

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The terrain gets more treacherous,

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as distribution,

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do windows and get stin.

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I guess you can add them to the list.

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The distributors are going to be in trouble.

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It may not be this year,

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but in the next two to three years,

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is that a,

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that was on your list?

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I'm sure our list are similar.

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No, it's a great one.

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maybe we can lump those two together,

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and we can do the distributors and breakers.

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Because let's be real,

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neither one really survives,

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or survives without the other.

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Can I say something?

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Breakers will survive,

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but not nearly the volume of breakers,

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not nearly the amount of breakers,

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not nearly the amount of smaller shady breakers.

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I think that gets way consolidated down.

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I'd appreciate it.

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No doubt.

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And maybe that's not a bad thing,

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right?

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Everybody in their mom is breaking now,

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and so,

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maybe if you last,

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and then,

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hopefully maybe if you last bad ones,

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where they're taking stuff off-screen,

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and not sending someone their cards,

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maybe maybe a good one's rise at the top,

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and the bad ones,

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get that fatal blow.

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We'll see.

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one of the distributors,

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and you also mentioned this on the breakers,

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is phonetics,

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basically the reason we're going to list everything on here.

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Well, listen.

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I mean,

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I'm not the only reason.

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Let's, you know,

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let's be realistic,

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but their major reason,

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right?

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They controlled the cards,

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right?

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They have the big hand at the poker table,

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and there's a big boy on the block now.

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Doesn't,

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whether you like that or not,

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is that's the,

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I'm not saying it's a part of her negative.

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I'm just saying,

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you know,

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you had your pound gorilla.

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they are.

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And that's what that was.

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They're playing from the jump.

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That's when they,

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all those meetings behind closed doors,

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me or you weren't in them,

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but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out

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that they,

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they now stand.

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I mean,

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they said they want to sort of take over the industry.

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They,

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they weren't shy about that.

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Michael Rubin was on morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and then he was on the morning one,

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and he said, "Take care of people,

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and make it a better place."

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And maybe they will in some capacities.

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But yeah, they're going to control out of the pieces on the chessboard.

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That's just the way it's going to be like it or not.

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So that being said,

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I agree with you that the distributor is being in trouble,

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and then to one of the comments will be better,

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I think, for lower increases for the consumer.

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I definitely think that will be a better fit.

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Well, I hope so.

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But you know,

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for that,

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it's going to want to make their dollars back to

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that they're laying out.

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Remember,

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for that,

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it's as partners with the players associated.

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They are the players association,

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and the leagues are both all involved.

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So they have the benefit of having the rights to the cards,

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the players associations,

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and the leagues all involved,

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which gives them a huge advantage.

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And I know that's what John was talking about,

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a huge advantage moving forward.

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So I think moving forward,

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I'm going to go to my next one,

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and when John gets back, I'll let him comment.

344
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But I think that content creators,

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how about being honest about that?

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I think content creators,

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nothing they're doing away,

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not that anybody specifically is in trouble.

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But that,

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in general,

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there's far too many content creators.

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I think for what the hobby has now.

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I think that when you had the amount of people coming into the hobby,

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and the amount of people that just in content at that level,

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for a number of years,

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it really exploded.

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But the average podcast makes it 12 episodes.

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A successful podcast makes it 50 to 100 episodes.

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And you're starting to see a lot of episodes

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that are getting timed out at that point.

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So it wouldn't surprise me if you start seeing people just simply not be able to keep up the pace.

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People that, that,

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it's just a grind.

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People that have a life.

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It's, you know, it's hard.

366
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And,

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yes,

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look at that.

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That's very funny, Murphy.

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John,

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John,

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I was just talking about how I was saying,

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I think content creators are in trouble of being lost in 2012.

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I,

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yeah,

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I just went off the air myself.

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And look, we did it again.

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For,

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for five minutes.

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So,

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I,

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apparently I got your hotel Wi-Fi.

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So,

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I don't know how that.

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We don't know how that.

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No,

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I,

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I,

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I was talking about that.

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I think content creators are in trouble and then you disappeared.

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So it was really perfect because you were already,

392
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we're already getting rid of them.

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That's great acting.

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Although that was really unscripted.

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But,

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yeah,

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no contact,

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I mean,

399
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the list goes on.

400
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I agree.

401
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We've seen that already,

402
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right?

403
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You go to Apple iTunes.

404
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Yeah.

405
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It's hard to do a show every week or two shows every week.

406
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You know,

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That's why that's why I really will say anything bad about a content creator.

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Because I know the work that goes into it.

409
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I got it.

410
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You got to have passion to do this every week.

411
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So,

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whether I agree with everything anyone says,

413
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right?

414
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I'm bad,

415
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at least for at least for now.

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But,

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you know,

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you go to Apple iTunes and search for its card in the podcast.

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And you'll see a lot of shows.

420
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You'll see a lot of shows that,

421
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you know,

422
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don't exist anymore, right?

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They don't produce any new episodes and whatnot.

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And so,

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you know,

426
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that's the way that will happen,

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no matter the scenario.

428
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I think,

429
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but now,

430
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what the hobby sort of coming down,

431
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resetting itself,

432
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was easy to get into content creation when everything was turned into gold.

433
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It was my this thought, right?

434
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Now,

435
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now it's harder.

436
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And so,

437
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I think you'll see less shows.

438
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Not going to make me feel good or bad, right?

439
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It's going to be what it is.

440
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And hopefully,

441
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hopefully,

442
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God willing,

443
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I'm sticking around.

444
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Well,

445
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I think one of the nice things about our show like this is,

446
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I call it,

447
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000
you know,

448
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baseball cars and sports after dark,

449
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like the old HBO show,

450
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a text to cab confessions,

451
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and it's like,

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we can just chill out a little bit.

453
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You know,

454
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we don't need to be so serious and be hardcore.

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I think one of the nice things about content is you're going to start seeing it change a little bit.

456
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And hopefully,

457
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people are entertained by shows like this.

458
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I am.

459
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000
Well,

460
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I hope so,

461
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because I wasn't sure if you were on the show or watching the show,

462
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it almost,

463
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you know.

464
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So,

465
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what's in the drink?

466
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000
What do we have in tonight?

467
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,000
It's just a beer tonight.

468
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,000
After hours after hour.

469
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You know,

470
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he was sure to call this,

471
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matches after after hours,

472
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but,

473
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yeah,

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kids drink responsibly or don't drink,

475
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because you're not legal age.

476
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More mental rules.

477
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I think that's a new plural.

478
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I think that's what we're called in Australia.

479
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What's there?

480
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I haven't feeling good.

481
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I can't imagine.

482
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I don't know why you're going to have a crap in me in a pouch.

483
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I feel this coming off.

484
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You're wishes by command.

485
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So,

486
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Logan,

487
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we're talking about things that are vulnerable in 2023.

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What do you think?

489
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Logan,

490
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let us know definitely in the comments.

491
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Can I give my next one, Jon?

492
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I have another one.

493
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I have another one.

494
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Go ahead if you're ready.

495
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000
No, go ahead.

496
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000
Go ahead.

497
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000
I just did.

498
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You know,

499
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000
selling platforms.

500
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000
That's the low hanging fruit.

501
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000
We've seen star stock.

502
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000
No one talks about them anymore.

503
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000
People have taken kind of their cards out of star stock.

504
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000
Dibs,

505
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,000
dibs announced their their their defonct.

506
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And I think you're going to see more selling platforms,

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especially the nine big ones.

508
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If you will, the nine what knots and loops and other ones that

509
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I just can't compete on that sort of level.

510
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Comcy is fine.

511
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You know,

512
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you're going to have the big players in the selling platform space.

513
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And then if you're not in that big player room,

514
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you're going to have to really scratch and claw to stay afloat.

515
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Right.

516
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You know,

517
00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000
My slab state Dave,

518
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you know,

519
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000
Mac Green.

520
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000
He did this is done a great job with that day.

521
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000
You know,

522
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000
they're now 2% from 1%.

523
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000
I have a lot of stuff I'm there.

524
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000
I'm not going to lie.

525
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000
It seems to have slowed down a little.

526
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,000
I still just still doing fine.

527
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000
I'm not putting them on this list to watch and be worried about.

528
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,000
But I think they had a bigger market share before then they do now.

529
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So I think that's where that 2% came in from 1%.

530
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Again,

531
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I don't want to speak for Matt.

532
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But, you know,

533
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000
they're probably,

534
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:36,000
I think the goal of my slabs initially was to build that side up and then sell to somebody else.

535
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000
Not saying that can't still happen.

536
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But, you know,

537
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,000
my half to happen for the viability of them to stay around.

538
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I think they're going to be alright whether they sell or they don't.

539
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,000
But, you know,

540
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they're not spoken of in the same way.

541
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000
You know,

542
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,000
when we've seen PWCC make huge strides with their auction site.

543
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That's kind of hurt.

544
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000
Somebody's other selling platforms.

545
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000
I know not all these selling platforms are auction sites either.

546
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000
But,

547
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,000
wherever people buy cars is the selling platforms.

548
00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000
Whether that's eBay,

549
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000
WCC,

550
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000
Comp see my slabs and those are what not.

551
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000
Those are all selling platforms.

552
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000
They may have different

553
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000
M.O.s right,

554
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,000
Motors,

555
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000
I've already put their all for acquisition of cars.

556
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So some of those guys that are in that big room,

557
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with the big boys,

558
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000
they're going to really have to be creative to

559
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000
kind of,

560
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000
you know,

561
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000
survive.

562
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And,

563
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000
you know,

564
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000
I had Ivan on that.

565
00:18:40,000 --> 00:19:04,040
the Jewish aim was bugged this week. It belongs with the ISO commerce. They're doing pretty well. Kind of a different way of doing things, that's my point. I think you're going to have to be creative. And you can't just put it for sales side, hey, our selling platform's open, put your cards on our side. It's, it's got to be more creative than that to survive.

566
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,080
When you left the room, I really don't like being on the wrong side of the bed.

567
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:15,080
Well, you fit in the world as right now. Well, I think it was better the other way.

568
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,280
You think it was better the other way? Yeah.

569
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,080
I don't know. We'll try it this way for a little bit.

570
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:29,680
So I completely agree with you 100%. My feeling is that we have to look at calls and effect.

571
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,680
Golden is coming out with their entire platform.

572
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:42,280
PWCC has stepped up there again. eBay is getting serious and fanatics is getting serious. I mean, this has their own life is going to have the right.

573
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:49,480
Who's for like they said, Danny, they're not just doing breaks. This is not just a breaks channel. They don't want to be.

574
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:55,480
There'll be some breaks on it, but this going to be more, more to it than that. So,

575
00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:04,480
we're in the early innings of this new terrain, if you will, I'll call it right this new landscape of the hobby. Again,

576
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:11,480
you know, fanatics does not have the basketball and football licensing yet. They're trying to get it sooner.

577
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:20,480
But the recent news, we don't have to rehash that, but you know, that's the big, the big news story lately is, hey,

578
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:28,480
we can sell to us. We'll just take your talent. That's probably even worse more than what we were going to pay you to begin with.

579
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:35,480
So, fanatics is not, you know, they're playing by the rules, but they're being cut through.

580
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:43,480
Clearly, George Steinbrinner somehow is a special advisor at fanatics. I don't know how they figured that out.

581
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:51,480
All right, I'm going to throw this up there because I had, I had this on my list, and vulnerable is the key word here.

582
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,480
I don't think they're all going out of business, but I don't know that they're all going to survive.

583
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:04,480
It is a very financially intensive business, which was pointed out in the chat, and they do physically hold the product.

584
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:12,480
And it's a lot of insurance, and it's, it's, I, what vulnerable is the key term for me?

585
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:20,480
So, I don't know which ones I'm not going to give a name because I'm not that smart, and I don't have that much information, but, but I don't want to, all the folks.

586
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:26,480
Ziggy made a point with my slabs. They have low overhead because they don't hold the card.

587
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,480
And that's exactly 100%.

588
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:47,480
I don't think I'll add to that. He's not wrong. He's 100% right. That definitely helps. That's why I said my slabs. I don't see myself going away. I just think, there, you know, there might be less cards on their site, right, as people pull them off and put them right.

589
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:58,480
I have great cards on my slabs. If I decide to pull all my listing, I mean the cards are here, but if I put a listing off my slabs and then list them on another space in the sense that

590
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:18,480
the living is in business, right? So, I think their market share may get smaller, and they're not the only way. I'm not predicting that they're going to be defogged. I just think it's changing. Where they were, six months ago to where they are now, probably a little different trees people.

591
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:30,480
Absolutely. So, on the vault, I just want to be fairies that I do have items involved, so just for full disclosure.

592
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:40,480
Maybe I've just admitted to being a full, but there are times where I do use a vault, it is usually more for the ability to move it into an auction quickly for full disclosure.

593
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:48,480
When I buy items, I typically end up bringing them home, but I do want to share that.

594
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,480
All right. My turn to you, you're going to get more on that.

595
00:22:52,480 --> 00:23:04,480
I just wanted one quick comment with vaults, right? It's pretty simple. I think people want to have their cards in hand, right? Who doesn't like looking at their cards, pointed out someone comes over.

596
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:14,480
In my case, you do a show, you want to put it in your show cases. I have cards behind me that probably could be enough vault, but they're behind me.

597
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:21,480
So, I agree. Vaults are sort of overrated. I did a show about vaults and I have a quick answer.

598
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,480
And I said, "My vault, I'm sitting in my vault while doing a show."

599
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:40,480
So, I'm in the vault as well. So, yeah, but they do have a purpose, right? People use them there. You know, eBay's got one now, PWCC's got one there for their full card.

600
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:54,480
So, they're viable aspects of the hobby. For me, I like to have my cards here, I want to save deposit box, but even that I rather have my cards here.

601
00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:04,480
Well, my cards are all over the place, which is part of the reason. If you're just joining us, I am in Cleveland, Ohio at a card share right now.

602
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:12,480
Well, I'm not right now, right now, I'm in my hotel room. It's in the penthouse suite, by the way, John.

603
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,480
If you can't tell. Nice, live as large man, the Argentine church.

604
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:25,480
If anybody else has ever been to Strongville, if you're at the Strongville show, definitely want me now. I'd love to go home with you.

605
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,480
And I shout out to Derek, who said he's a fan of our show and came up to me today.

606
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,480
So, I told him, "There you go."

607
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,480
Absolutely. Is it my turn?

608
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,480
Yes, it is. I came up with a seven-minute.

609
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,480
Okay. So, this might be controversial.

610
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:51,480
I think that super-sure print and whatever you want to call it, manufacturer's scarcity,

611
00:24:51,480 --> 00:25:00,480
or numbered cards without autos, in higher numbers, out of 1,000 out of 2,500 out of 500,

612
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:09,480
that a lot of those products are maybe never going to quite recover to where they were.

613
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,480
And I think they're vulnerable of continuing to go down.

614
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,480
I think there's people getting more selective in what they collect.

615
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:25,480
I don't know that the, especially when you don't know the print quantities from some of the manufacturers,

616
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,480
I think that the turn is going to start turning people off.

617
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,480
I agree with you, but let me just speak to like,

618
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,480
"I was at the Springfield Massachusetts show."

619
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,480
And I can't count on both my hands. How many people are like, "Hey, can I see that card?"

620
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,480
Like, "I can be an autograph card or an autograph jersey card."

621
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,480
And I pull it out and they look at, "Oh, it's not number."

622
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,480
If I had a dollar for every person, it's, "Oh, that's not number."

623
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,480
That's not number. That's not number.

624
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,480
And that's just that mic table.

625
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,480
I mean the quad box with three other dealers. And I heard people look, "Oh, that's a number."

626
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:10,480
Then I said it wrong. If it has an auto or has a patch, I think it'll still sell.

627
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,480
Yeah, you're just talking about the base card that I know.

628
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,480
The base, base numbers, no nothing.

629
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,480
What about, okay, I get that more now that you clarify.

630
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,480
What about, and you prospect probably more than me now, as I prospect less.

631
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,480
What about colored rookie cards, the first moment?

632
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,480
I'm not even talking the auto one. I'm just talking, like,

633
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,480
you think that goes down with the ship too.

634
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,480
What's the first rule you're not supposed to breathe into the mic?

635
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,480
And I just did a big deep sign to the mic.

636
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:47,480
I really co-john. I feel bad for all these people who might be, you know,

637
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,480
listening or replaying this and listening to the audio.

638
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,480
There are certain guys who don't get an auto in their first spot.

639
00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:01,480
And I understand that there is a little bit of a venn diagram of first moments and stuff like that.

640
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:07,480
But I just don't, I don't think they hold their value relative to other cards.

641
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,480
I just see them coming much more common.

642
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,480
Yeah, if that's a hot take, you know, I don't know.

643
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,480
I don't think you're far off. I'm not vehemently disagreeing with you.

644
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,480
But I just think that people have sort of been brainwashed.

645
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,480
Like if the card doesn't have those two little gold numbers on it,

646
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,480
it's, you know, it's no good.

647
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480
And I don't subscribe to that theory.

648
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
I'm still a base card guy, right?

649
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:44,480
So, you know, I agree, but not, I'm not 100% on board.

650
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,480
I don't think you're wrong, but I'm not, I vote for you,

651
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,480
but not because of that platform.

652
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,480
Well, I'll take that coming from you. I appreciate it.

653
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,480
I will say on a separate note, since we're talking about this,

654
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,480
I broke a couple packs of top stadium club Chrome.

655
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,480
What eight gorgeous set of cards?

656
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:15,480
Stadium club is one of my favorite sets or designs I should say.

657
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,480
I love stadium club, but stadium club Chrome to me was next one.

658
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,480
Yeah, no, it's, it's sharp.

659
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,480
It's almost like they should just, that should be stadium clubs.

660
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,480
And they don't even use, don't even use the Chrome, right?

661
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,480
I'll just another reason to make one of the 35 base club products that they do, right?

662
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,480
But it is beautiful, you know, for all we can bag on tops,

663
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:46,480
especially in years past, right? Black and days are called design or lack of design or innovation.

664
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,480
They've really, always got sort of, I don't want to say always,

665
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,480
but most of the time they've got stadium club right,

666
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,480
even the nine Chrome stadium club, and now they add in the Chrome edition,

667
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,480
and it just enhances an already pretty good looking card.

668
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,480
So yeah, I'm, I'm on board.

669
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,480
I know that had nothing to do with our discussion.

670
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,480
I just meant to tell you that the other day when I opened some packs.

671
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,480
And who's card?

672
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,480
It might be the Julio Rodriguez base card this year.

673
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,480
If somebody seen it, please, please tell me if that's the one I'm talking about.

674
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Where he's got a swing in the scoreboard and the known aeronautos,

675
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,480
gorgeous.

676
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:35,480
I just, I haven't enjoyed opening a pack of cards aesthetically that much in the long time.

677
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,480
So yeah, it, I don't open as much new stuff as I used to,

678
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480
as I say at Nazium on my shows.

679
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480
But I, you know, if I go to Walmart and there's a stadium club or stadium club

680
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,480
Chrome somehow, it makes its way into my shopping card,

681
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,480
you know, right next to the chips of OI cookies.

682
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,480
So, to necessities, but at least for me.

683
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:07,480
But yeah, and, you know, I'd love to see, like I said, stadium club Chrome sort of be

684
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,480
stadium club.

685
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,480
They're probably not going to do it because then that means that's one less product

686
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480
that they can release, right?

687
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,480
You know, Ziggy's comment on this too with, you know, is, is, is

688
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,480
fanatics vulnerable with all the revenue and growth,

689
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,480
expectation, great, great comment, right?

690
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,480
They want to honder times to have me.

691
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,480
I'm just going to throw it off your list.

692
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,480
I'm not going to have a list.

693
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,480
I, I just have it in my head.

694
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480
But it's a great point.

695
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,480
They're spending a lot of money to try to accomplish what they're trying to accomplish, right?

696
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,480
When I heard a hundred times the hobby, I, you know, went back in my seat like

697
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,480
that's, that's, that's big.

698
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,480
That's, uh, a big actually.

699
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Then I, I, didn't I, didn't I, didn't I, didn't I, didn't I,

700
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,480
didn't I, didn't I, didn't I hit that, if you asked me, right?

701
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480
It was, it was a, it was a ten times or a hundred times.

702
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,480
Either one.

703
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,480
I mean, I'm so big now, right?

704
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,480
I don't know if you hit either even even the ten times when you know,

705
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,480
when, you know, no one knows an exact number how many people.

706
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,480
I've been changing by the minute.

707
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,480
So I'm just left the hobby ten seconds ago and probably two people came,

708
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,480
that that's a fluid number.

709
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,480
But there's millions of people in the hobby to ten times that, you know,

710
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,480
they, I don't know, they didn't say I didn't hear like,

711
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,480
how soon they want to do that.

712
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,480
But it was a, it was a two to three years ago that a five years ago,

713
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,480
and a ten year ago, I don't, I, I will say the short of those years is that

714
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,480
go is obviously the degree of difficulty comes up and, and they're going to have

715
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,480
their own internal scoreboard, right?

716
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,480
Exiggy says, and if they don't hit their own, they're probably not going to come out

717
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,480
and say, yeah, we missed our marks or we fell for shorter expectations.

718
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,480
But they you know, internally they'll know, hey, this is not where we wanted to be.

719
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,480
But you were making a point before that was so true.

720
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,480
You were talking about earlier about the fact of fanatics.

721
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:06,480
It has the league is investors and fanatics and, you know, they all have invested interest in each other's success.

722
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:13,480
You know, when, when you look at this gone forward, you know, that plays into it also.

723
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:22,480
Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen, when you, if, if me and you own a company, right, me and you had just have to be happy, right?

724
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Or, you know, if me and you and other people are now, you know, now we got to make ten people happy, right?

725
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:39,480
And obviously with the players and the players association, now you're talking about thousands of athletes have to be happy.

726
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:49,480
Then when you add in the NL products, right, the Vominary Diversity, athletes, male and female, that aren't even in the leagues.

727
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,480
Yeah, on the professional level, they're at the table too selling their likeness.

728
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,480
They need to be happy.

729
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Now, they're probably happy more happy because they're probably getting that money sort of upfront.

730
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Hey, here's what, here's here's what we're paying you.

731
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,480
We need you to sign a thousand of these cards, right?

732
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:17,480
So they're kind of, they're taking care of upfront, but there's just thousands of owners now in these in, in fanatics.

733
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:24,480
And so, you know, we hear Michael Rubin, Michael Rubin, he's the face and the majority owner, but he's not the only owner.

734
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,480
And don't forget, they've taken investment money, right?

735
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,480
Renture Capitalists has bought in. So now you answer to them.

736
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:39,480
You answer to them, right? How many people lost money when top spacked in, don't get to see the light a day?

737
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480
But that was people investing.

738
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Do we get a good benefit? Like when I watch MLB in that work now, they have a baseball card show on the weekends.

739
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,480
You know, that never happened before.

740
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,480
I mean, that's how much.

741
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,480
Yeah, they're doing, they do a card segment now.

742
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,480
And I think that's what you're talking about on MLB.

743
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,480
They're opening packs. You've got who, and I like this.

744
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,480
I like this part. You got Julio Rodriguez doing top scrimmer shows, right?

745
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,480
Yes, sort of lost.

746
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,480
There were days when players did do some of that.

747
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,480
Those scrimmer shows. And then they kind, they went away from that.

748
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Now they sort of bring in. But why, why is Julio Rodriguez doing a top scrimmer shows?

749
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,480
It's very easy answer.

750
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Because he owns part of the company, whatever slice that is.

751
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,480
So he's do, he's do, you know, when he does a pizza hot commercial, he probably doesn't know

752
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,480
own pizza hot pizza hot pizom, whatever that commercial fee is.

753
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,480
And in a part ways after the, the, you know, the commercial shot,

754
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:52,480
it's different ball game with with trading card now. These guys already own part of the pie,

755
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,480
even past the commercial. When that, when that Julio Rodriguez commercial and the director, you know,

756
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,480
cut, we got everything. Thanks everybody.

757
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Packed up, appreciate everyone's hard work.

758
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,480
That's not the end of the story.

759
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Julio Rodriguez and other players, all the players, are still getting revenue.

760
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:17,480
They're at the equity table. So the landscape has vastly changed.

761
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,480
And you've got a lot of people that need to be, you know, happy.

762
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480
And, you know, this is a 20 year deal.

763
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Has it never been really officially announced, but it's, it's unofficially a 20 year licensing deal.

764
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,480
A lot can go a lot to go wrong in 20.

765
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,480
A lot can go wrong in 20.

766
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,480
I think going any direction at any time in this hobby.

767
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Yeah.

768
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:49,480
So just think at 20, I don't know why I'm sure there's reasons money being number one, right?

769
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:56,480
But why you would sign a 20 year deal with anybody and lock yourself in, you know,

770
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,480
to that left.

771
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,480
I know when you take your wedding vows, you say, to death, you was far.

772
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,480
And some people get little voice in their head is like,

773
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,480
you want to do this, right? And that's not 20 years.

774
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,480
That potentially could be 40, 50 years.

775
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:19,480
So why you would, you know, I don't know, maybe not the greatest analogy, but 20 years is a long time in this hobby,

776
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,480
especially, especially now.

777
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:29,480
And so, you know, good for them, but man, like we just said, a lot can happen in 20 years.

778
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Maybe there's buyers remorse on traumatics part, maybe there's buyers remorse on the players.

779
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
What is three years?

780
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:45,480
I told you I was right about losing content creators.

781
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:52,480
Let's see, I always know that one, that one we got for 2023.

782
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,480
I also predict though, returned for 2023.

783
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,480
So I think we'll see John back here in a second.

784
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,480
But I had one more, and I hope he let's me throw it out here.

785
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,480
I'll let me have my show.

786
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,480
But I want him to hear this.

787
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,480
So at the top's conference,

788
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,480
Fanatics already announced that some of the cards are going to be discontinuous.

789
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Certain sets of cards are going to be discontinuous.

790
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:31,480
Vulnerable parts of the hobby, more sets of cards, more sports, more I think it's possible even more base.

791
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:41,480
I definitely think that that is definitely an area of vulnerability without a doubt.

792
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:49,480
So, you know, for me, and I don't know about you guys, one of the reasons I brought up the stadium club,

793
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,480
is I think that other sets could be vulnerable in 2023.

794
00:37:53,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Other sports, they already trimmed down some of the baseball sets, but I think as the license is shift,

795
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:07,480
and as things move forward, you could see every manufacturer trimming down their sets.

796
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,480
I guess for our product.

797
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,480
That was my comment.

798
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,480
I think I'm back, but this wasn't on my original list.

799
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:28,480
My internet, my Wi-Fi, I think, is going to be as apparently very vulnerable tonight for some of my strange reasons.

800
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:36,480
But we got our first 80 degree day here in Central New York and apparently Wi-Fi is the first thing to go.

801
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:43,480
So my apologies, but I know you're good without me, so maybe even better.

802
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,480
I didn't even notice.

803
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,480
That's what my wife said.

804
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,480
This is like the same.

805
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Where have I heard that before?

806
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480
This is after dark.

807
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:05,480
So I brought up the idea at the top conference, fanatic's already announced that they're trimming down some sets.

808
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:12,480
And then, you know, whether it's more sets or whether it's, you know, a panini cutting down some of their sets.

809
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,480
There are says, I think there's too many sets in the hobby as a whole.

810
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,480
And.

811
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,480
Production for 2023 John will be replaced by the machine.

812
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
I'm perver.

813
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,480
I would, when will I be better off?

814
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,480
What is it?

815
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
I apologize.

816
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Like this is like my internet's been spotty before, but did I take the cake?

817
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,480
Yeah, that's a lot of.

818
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,480
So I was asking if there's any sets in anybody liked or or will read this.

819
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,480
He'd gone by any manufacturer because I thought that was a lot of vulnerable sets.

820
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,480
Yeah, I think cops for natics did a pretty good job with that initial list.

821
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,480
You know, you know, we like to criticize them right?

822
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,480
I'm I'm upside up for the I can be critical of them.

823
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,480
I think they I think it needed to be done.

824
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,480
And I think the initial list was fairly accurate right?

825
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,480
The top's gallery is a joke of mine that you know, I like to go to.

826
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,480
It's easy to do right?

827
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,480
I mean, times you go to Walmart, you know, top's gallery is there.

828
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,480
You can you know, put your finger on it.

829
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,480
You got dust.

830
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,480
It just collects dust.

831
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,480
It's not the worst looking product.

832
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,480
It's just price point.

833
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,480
It's too high.

834
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,480
So they really had a choice right.

835
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Kind of do what they did, which is, which is next set or go cheap with it.

836
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,480
They didn't want to go cheap, but it's so they next it.

837
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,480
And, you know, it's going to be interesting.

838
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,480
They're still going to make plenty of product right?

839
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,480
They got the license in.

840
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,480
You're going to take advantage of that.

841
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,480
The real question is going to be what are those new products right?

842
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,480
What are those replacement products going to be and will they be better right?

843
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Then the plate then the product set.

844
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480
You know, think of it like players right?

845
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,480
You know, these ten or twelve products all that's sent down to the miners to.

846
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Supposedly never be heard of of again, they're now.

847
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,480
They're going to call ten or twelve new players up these new products.

848
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,480
How do they perform and and do they stay in the big leagues or does.

849
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Finatics, amen.

850
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,480
We should bring this back again.

851
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,480
I know we caught it, but maybe we should revisit it right?

852
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,480
So it is that's going to be the fun part.

853
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:37,480
Is you know, seeing, you know, what what sticks and maybe.

854
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,480
You know, what gets brought back from the dead, you know, like Jason.

855
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,480
And, uh, to your point, I haven't seen many people.

856
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480
Yeah, I haven't seen many people argue with the list.

857
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,480
No, most people, most people like tweet in it like two toes.

858
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Most people like, yeah, that makes sense.

859
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,480
It's like the couple that you know should have broken up and then you hear they finally broke on me.

860
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,480
Yeah, it's about time.

861
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Yeah.

862
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,480
Yeah.

863
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
So, um, all right.

864
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,480
Did you have anything else on your list?

865
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,480
No, I just closed with kind of a blanket statement, Danny.

866
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:22,480
I think this list is long as we both just went went through and it could be longer if we wanted to spend even more time.

867
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,480
But we're not going to. I think everything is vulnerable, right?

868
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:34,480
I know that's kind of a cop out final blanket statement, but the hobby is changing by by the week right by the day.

869
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:44,480
So everything is potentially vulnerable from contact creation to companies to see what we've seen CEO step down.

870
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,480
We've seen CEO is her vulnerable in 2020.

871
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Right? That's a great one.

872
00:42:52,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Yeah, they're vulnerable because right there the first one, it's like, it's like managers and sports managers and coaches, right?

873
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:09,480
The team stinks right they're not out there playing necessarily, but you can't fire the whole team so the manager or coach gets fired, right?

874
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:18,480
That's what a CEO is. Now don't get me wrong. CEO probably even has more to do with the how the company runs and maybe even a baseball man.

875
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,480
A baseball manager does and they are accountable.

876
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:31,480
But CEOs are going to be in the hot seat when sales figures are released or quarterly reports come out and numbers aren't that right?

877
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:44,480
And if you're Michael Rubin, you're not going to fire yourself, but if someone else is beneath you and your disappointed in something that comes across your desk, you've suddenly become vulnerable.

878
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,480
Not Michael Rubin, but the people below him.

879
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:56,480
So, you know, I think CEOs, I think you're seeing companies kind of partner up to survive.

880
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,480
I think that trend continues. I think you know what becomes vulnerable and another thing.

881
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,480
I know I said I was going to add, I think investment money, right? I think people are going to be a lot more careful.

882
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,480
I think that's already tried up.

883
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:17,480
Yeah, I think people are not going to pour me. It's still going to happen. It's not going to like, it's not a water faucet and you turn it off.

884
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:25,480
I think it's just going to be less and the people are going to be more like, hey, do I do I want to invest in this company? I can lose.

885
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,480
I can lose this $12 million. I can lose this billion dollars.

886
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Whatever that amount is.

887
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,480
Well, what else could I put it in? There's other businesses besides, you know, that's what I remember.

888
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,480
I can put money in. So, it's going to be interesting.

889
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:52,480
But the blanket statement I was going to issue and then I went off on the thing was I think everybody at the end of the day, I think everybody is potentially vulnerable.

890
00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:00,480
I think it can happen. We've seen some announcements in the last couple weeks that really are sort of surprising.

891
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:07,480
And I think that's trying to make continue. So I think I think everybody is potentially vulnerable.

892
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,480
As they say, we're all David.

893
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Yeah.

894
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Well, just don't get on the aisle.

895
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,480
Day to day is okay. Just don't be on the 60 day or longer out for season.

896
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,480
You know, it would be out for season.

897
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:30,480
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915
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916
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,480
with these big ticket items.

917
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:03,480
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918
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,480
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919
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920
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,480
It's bigger than cards, right? There's people and lives that are impacted.

921
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:26,480
So wishing everybody safety and wellness in Florida and hopefully they get through that and back to normal seeing as quick as possible.

922
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923
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,480
And the most fun.

924
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Welcome to the failure segment.

925
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,480
We're John and Danny, share their picks short to go wrong.

926
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,480
Alright, so I'm going to put this up on the screen here.

927
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
It's early enough in the baseball season.

928
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,480
I think we can still do this in college beginning of the season picks.

929
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,480
I just picked the, what is that? The top five on the odds, feel free to take this.

930
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,480
This is bogus.

931
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,480
I knew you might have a problem.

932
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,480
And so I went to an actual sports book site to get the numbers.

933
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,480
This was not made up by me.

934
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,480
I'm guessing you might take the field on this one.

935
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,480
Oh, definitely taking the field here.

936
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,480
There's a team that's missing from this list.

937
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,480
Somehow, you know, the match, you know,

938
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,480
I mean, how about Tampa Bay?

939
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,480
With their start.

940
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,480
That's insane.

941
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,480
To start a season the way they are.

942
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,480
I mean, they're going to be hard to pick against. By the way, I will, though.

943
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:39,480
But, you know, I don't hate the Tampa Bay race,

944
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,480
but I mean, maybe they shouldn't have started that high.

945
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,480
I mean, because it just can only get worse, right?

946
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,480
When you don't lose.

947
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,480
But, yeah, how are the match to mine?

948
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,480
Like, I don't, you know, I don't think the Dodgers.

949
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,480
I think you could switch the Dodgers in the match.

950
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,480
I don't think the Dodgers of the Dodgers of the last few years.

951
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,480
Do you think injuries play into that?

952
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Well, let's be fair.

953
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,480
For the match with Berlin, do you mean?

954
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480
And yes.

955
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,480
All right. Yeah. Sure.

956
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,480
Inters half the play, you know, we got Steven.

957
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480
I don't know if he's still in here. He'll tell you injury,

958
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,480
a big, a big factor, right?

959
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,480
But Berlin, this is a minor one.

960
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,480
And David Robinson is a capable close.

961
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,480
And so, sure, does it hurt not having arguably one of the best closers

962
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,480
in major league baseball?

963
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,480
No doubt for me to sit here and say anything other than that is this in

964
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,480
January.

965
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,480
But this is a very good team.

966
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,480
And they're minorly listen, I'm two miles away from the Triple A team.

967
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,480
I just watched a game that was like nine, nothing

968
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,480
a third inning. They called off the Dodgers.

969
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,480
There's four guys that Triple A.

970
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,480
They could be in the big leagues today.

971
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,480
A matter of fact, I will say this, the Syracuse match.

972
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,480
Maybe not on the list of on the screen could beat some of the major league teams

973
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,480
that are not on the screen.

974
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,480
And they're not even in the big league with the match.

975
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,480
So I'm being a home winner.

976
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:16,480
We're John and he shared their picks short to go wrong.

977
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Well, I'm going to die on that hill with the match.

978
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,480
I know it's a homework pick.

979
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,480
I know it, but I feel good about that team.

980
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,480
I mean, maybe it's the Wolpa in effect for how many years.

981
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,480
It was just like, we'll see what happens next year.

982
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Or the Wolpa still alive.

983
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Or the Wolpa's get arrested.

984
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,480
Or they're making a baseball kick out the Wolpa's.

985
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,480
And then thankfully they decided to sell.

986
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,480
And a guy by the name of Cohen came in on a white horse and saved.

987
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Save Matt's fans in the franchise.

988
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,480
Speak out shout out to the Washington commanders.

989
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,480
No ownership.

990
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,480
All right.

991
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Yes, I see.

992
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,480
I jinxed them.

993
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,480
I think credit for that loss.

994
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,480
I don't appear in the box score.

995
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,480
But that's because of what that's because of me tonight.

996
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,480
Here we go.

997
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,480
The Reds just lost.

998
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,480
The Reds just lost.

999
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,480
Yeah.

1000
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,480
So things are vulnerable.

1001
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,480
The Reds win streak.

1002
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,480
Well, you know that they weren't going on 162.

1003
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,480
But it was fun.

1004
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,480
I was hoping.

1005
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,480
I mean, you know, when it when that happens, you don't even have to be a fan of that team.

1006
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,480
You're like, I keep winning, right?

1007
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,480
Or is there not in your, well, in your case, you're.

1008
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,480
I was about to say there.

1009
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,480
There are in the Orioles division.

1010
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,480
So now with the, with the unbalanced schedule, you know, being gone.

1011
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,480
It's 13 times, not 19 times.

1012
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:57,480
So it's a little bit fair for those of us that plan tough divisions like the analytics to the AL,

1013
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,480
so.

1014
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,480
Okay.

1015
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,480
So now I'm going to actually look at the number here with my pick.

1016
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,480
Because I'm a big brace and used to work for the braves, love the braves, the braves,

1017
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,480
and my national league team.

1018
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,480
I know they're in the midst of vision.

1019
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,480
This is not personal.

1020
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,480
So I would take the braves.

1021
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,480
But that's 650.

1022
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Scares me.

1023
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,480
I got to tell you, I really like what Tampa Bay is doing.

1024
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,480
And, and, you know, all you got to do is get in the tournament.

1025
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,480
And I think they're, I think they're, they're with the lead they have, you know,

1026
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,480
in the organization they have, it's going to be hard.

1027
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,480
Not, not deserve to not have a chance to get the wild card.

1028
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,480
It's going to be hard to blow that.

1029
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,480
So I'm going to take Tampa Bay plus eight, 50.

1030
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,480
And I'm also going to vote Mike, as my favorite comment to the evening.

1031
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,480
So I will say, and Danny is great.

1032
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,480
I will concur.

1033
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,480
I did win.

1034
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,480
I'm going to be the best guy in Syracuse with a Brooklyn doctor.

1035
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,480
So I'm going to hang my hat on that award.

1036
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,480
But I'm going, I'm going, I'm going match.

1037
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,480
Are we picking like a team for me, please?

1038
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Is that how we're going to do this?

1039
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,480
No, it's just picking a world series team.

1040
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,480
A winner.

1041
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,480
Yeah, I'm going match.

1042
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,480
And I'm not going to take a bay.

1043
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,480
I'm going to go and I hope I'm wrong.

1044
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Because I don't really like this team.

1045
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,480
But I'm just going with what my got.

1046
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,480
I'm going to go with the with the straws.

1047
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,480
They just think they're loaded.

1048
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,480
They add Jose.

1049
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,480
A bra.

1050
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,480
They didn't even need Jose.

1051
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,480
They just went out and paid them.

1052
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,480
And they come play over here too.

1053
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Right.

1054
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,480
How talker is really developed into the MVP team.

1055
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,480
You and I are very very high.

1056
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,480
Yeah, then I thought he was.

1057
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,480
I got a lot of his cards.

1058
00:53:52,480 --> 00:54:00,480
So I'm going to start to come out of the darkness and into my into the light and into my showcases.

1059
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,480
So I'm going to ask shows and mats.

1060
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,480
I really don't.

1061
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,480
I don't really root for the asshows.

1062
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Truth be told.

1063
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,480
But, you know, I'm going to pick them.

1064
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,480
I think that they have all the horses to to get there again.

1065
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,480
I hate to say it.

1066
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,480
But again.

1067
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Right.

1068
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,480
And so, you know, I was rooting for the fillies last year.

1069
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Because, you know, I figure that might be sacralidious to met fan.

1070
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,480
But hey, we're not going to win it.

1071
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,480
What better yet to say hey, at least a team from our division.

1072
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,480
One the world series, right?

1073
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:41,480
And you know, we, I know that's old news with the whole banging the garbage cans and the buzzers and the signs and all that.

1074
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
But, you know, some of those guys are still there.

1075
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,480
So I cannot the root form.

1076
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,480
So, but I'm going to, I got to pick what my gut says.

1077
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:56,480
I'm going to go asshows and, and met, which somehow didn't, the asshows made this list and the met didn't.

1078
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Well, I don't know how that happened.

1079
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,480
But, then must have been in the pressure meeting.

1080
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,480
I don't know.

1081
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480
Yeah, I think you caught him off.

1082
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,480
I think this list is doctored.

1083
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,480
I think like a cut baseball.

1084
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,480
I think you cut the met off the list.

1085
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,480
So I sent you a George bread autograph in a big birthday.

1086
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,480
Yeah, I, when you come in into the dugout at the end of the evening and the arm checks your list.

1087
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,480
He's going to find out that you, you've messed with this little, little puns, arm I lost.

1088
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Yeah, there's some spider tack on your list here that the met sir are not on it.

1089
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,480
But, man, you know, it's great, you know, I heard you say the other day it's great baseball's back.

1090
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,480
I feel the same way.

1091
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,480
You know, there was, again, we go back to the willp on years.

1092
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,480
We, I didn't look forward to the baseball season in the same vein as I do now.

1093
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,480
So, but it's going to be fine.

1094
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,480
It's early.

1095
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,480
Do every early.

1096
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,480
The met's will, if we do that list in three months, the met's would be on it.

1097
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:07,480
So maybe we have to revisit that then to make the world right and just.

1098
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,480
But, like you said, I went with the fields since in that on the list.

1099
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,480
You just wanted to met.

1100
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,480
It didn't matter what the number was.

1101
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,480
It didn't matter where they were.

1102
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,480
Listen, I will say this in my defense playing lawyer here.

1103
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,480
There's plenty of years I would never have picked the met's because I knew from watching them and knowing what.

1104
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,480
You know, this, I think they have, you know, for the same reason I picked the assures, right?

1105
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,480
They have enough weapons.

1106
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,480
I'm picking the met's for the same reasons.

1107
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,480
Totally unbiased.

1108
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,480
As much as I can.

1109
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,480
This was fun.

1110
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,480
I was tired.

1111
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,480
You got me gone.

1112
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,480
You got me gone.

1113
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,480
I could do two more hours, but I'm not gone to.

1114
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Yeah, my internet won't.

1115
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,480
It doesn't have it in it.

1116
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,480
I do.

1117
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,480
When my internet doesn't.

1118
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,480
All right.

1119
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,480
Well, John, this was a blast.

1120
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,480
In two more weeks, remember everybody we are.

1121
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,480
Every other Friday on the live broadcast and every other Monday on the audience.

1122
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,480
And that's on the audience.

1123
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,480
And that's on the sports card nation.

1124
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:19,480
For those for those listening and in out sports ball and for those listening.

1125
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:26,480
On audio podcasts just know that we do this live on Friday nights and love the.

1126
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:33,480
Let's see in the chat room and back to with you and talk about some of your comments and being a record as well.

1127
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,480
All right.

1128
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,480
Well, I'm I'm going to go enjoy all my vintage.

1129
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,480
I'm going to enjoy all my vintage cards in here in Strongzville.

1130
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,480
See you, John.

1131
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,480
I'm headed to the vault.

1132
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,480
[laughter]

1133
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,440
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